14:10:44 <russdeffner> #startmeeting AWG December 7
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14:11:08 <russdeffner> #topic Previous Meeting Minutes
14:11:22 <Blake_> I have reviewed and approve them
14:11:43 <mataharimhairi> Hello!
14:11:47 <russdeffner> where are you seeing them Blake?
14:11:52 <russdeffner> Hi Mhairi
14:12:44 <Blake_> I went with your notes on the trello card, that is the best we have
14:14:02 <russdeffner> oh, yes - duh, I did put something for 11/2 on the trello card
14:14:41 <russdeffner> Anyone have other comments, etc. from the 11/2 AWG/Export Tool chat?
14:15:12 <mataharimhairi> Sorry, I missed the previous chat
14:15:20 <mataharimhairi> Is there a way to go back in IRC?
14:15:39 <Blake_> no, that is why people like skype or slack.
14:16:00 <Blake_> but we are just looking at the trell board agenda
14:16:05 <Blake_> first was approve minutes,
14:16:27 <mataharimhairi> I am strongly in favour of using slack in future for the Activation WG meetings
14:16:33 <Blake_> russ left a note on the card because we do not have minutes from the last meeting.
14:16:38 <mataharimhairi> Makes it easier for everyone to read over meetings et
14:16:50 <mataharimhairi> Great! Thanks, up to speed now
14:16:53 <Blake_> oh, actually, you can go to slack and see the hot irc channel, it does get saved there
14:17:09 <Blake_> in the hot slack team
14:18:37 <russdeffner> yep, Mhairi, that's what I was trying to type last night, maybe I was too tired to make sense, but I often use the hot slack irc channel to read back, but you can also participate in irc chat via a bot from slack
14:19:38 <russdeffner> anywho, I think we are good with agenda item 1 - previous meeting notes
14:20:00 <mataharimhairi> very handy. but instead of going through the bot ..... could we not shift completely to slack?
14:20:00 <russdeffner> #topic Discuss Current Activations
14:20:11 <mataharimhairi> is there anything preventing us from doing so?
14:21:19 <russdeffner> Actually, can we add a new item of business for AWG meetings in general, I'd like to propose a time change as well?
14:21:37 <mataharimhairi> sure. i am happy to do that.
14:22:17 <russdeffner> ok, let me add a card and we can return to this, think these next items should be fairly quick
14:22:40 <hot_slack_bot> <mataharimhairi> i’ll add one about the use of slack
14:22:55 <mataharimhairi> oh! you did it :)
14:23:20 <russdeffner> and you're testing the slack crossover :)
14:23:40 <mataharimhairi> by accident .... but yes
14:23:43 <russdeffner> So I don't think we really have any Activations going
14:24:21 <russdeffner> Any news regarding Haiti projects? That's the only response I know of that might have needs
14:24:28 <mataharimhairi> no. there was a task set up to map the area affected by the earthquake in Aceh today
14:25:30 <mataharimhairi> a 6.5 magnitude hit Pidie. think the death toll is sadly around 100 and rising
14:25:54 <mataharimhairi> so the team here set up a project on the Indonesian TM instance
14:27:01 <mataharimhairi> http://tasks.openstreetmap.id/project/178#instructions
14:27:20 <Blake_> do they want remote crowd mappers?
14:31:22 <mataharimhairi> more mappers is always welcomed!
14:33:14 <hot_slack_bot> <raytoun> May I ask a question?
14:33:24 <Blake_> Yes, Please Ralph
14:34:02 <hot_slack_bot> <raytoun> Just how many Tasking Managers are there out there that the ordinary HOT mapper knows nothing about?
14:34:23 <pgiraud> RAytoun, potentially a lot
14:34:53 <Blake_> And that is a good way to do it really
14:34:54 <pgiraud> RAytoun, there's a list at the bottom of this page
14:34:55 <pgiraud> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager
14:35:12 <pgiraud> but it's not complete unfortunately
14:35:36 <Blake_> Ideally, the HOT OSM Tasking Manager install should be the place where globally people come to help map
14:35:47 <russdeffner> Ok, to move along; this is basically a local lead response, HOT can support with messaging
14:35:54 <Blake_> Regional tasking managers are very good for regionally based mapping
14:36:44 <Blake_> I think that is it russdeffner
14:36:58 <Blake_> Ralph, does that help at all?
14:37:36 <Blake_> We focus on HOT TM, but there are a number of regional and specific TM's but generally things are on there because they do not need an international support mapping
14:38:48 <Blake_> We do not run any TM installs other than HOT, all the other ones are installed and maintained by other groups
14:39:38 <harry-wood> Which ones are we missing pgiraud? let's add to the list https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager#Operational_installations_of_the_Tasking_Manager
14:39:41 <Blake_> Technically, we probably run the Indonesian TM too, but that is all done locally, we do not usually put projects on it.
14:39:44 <russdeffner> Please continue the chat, I'm just going to try and move through the AWG agenda...
14:40:03 <russdeffner> Anything else regarding current Activations/Disaster Mapping events?
14:40:19 <Blake_> I think matthew gets moved to the closed list
14:41:09 <russdeffner> done
14:41:55 <russdeffner> #topic Opening all regions for export
14:42:12 <russdeffner> Mhairi, and update on this?
14:42:23 <russdeffner> *any
14:42:49 <mataharimhairi> this is currently part of the ToR for overall Export Tool development
14:43:19 <mataharimhairi> we're hoping to address it and other issues early next year
14:43:45 <Blake_> when does development start mataharimhairi ?
14:44:03 <mataharimhairi> a finalised plan is still pending
14:44:18 <mataharimhairi> but it looks like january and aiming to be done by spring
14:44:49 <mataharimhairi> or sooner
14:45:35 <russdeffner> great, should we keep the trello card as is? ie. do you want to return to this next month or can we archive?
14:45:51 <Blake_> mataharimhairi, we are planning on moving that software to a new server in the next 2 weeks
14:45:59 <Blake_> the existing live export tool
14:46:45 <Blake_> the tech working group is I should say
14:47:16 <mataharimhairi> okay great. thanks for the heads up blake.
14:47:38 <mataharimhairi> i think we should archive the card from the activation wg agenda since we are addressing it in development
14:48:23 <pgiraud> harry-wood, I can't remember but I think I found other instances in the past by doing some google search
14:48:43 <russdeffner> ok, I moved the card from our agenda list to the export tool list
14:49:08 <russdeffner> maybe once the project is complete, then we can archive/archive that whole list
14:49:30 <russdeffner> anything else regarding the export tool?
14:50:07 <russdeffner> #topic HDM Data Model
14:50:49 <russdeffner> Is the HDM also tied to Export development?
14:52:26 <Blake_> It is related, but I do not think they are "tied"
14:52:27 <mataharimhairi> not really. since we are planning on removing it and just working with the OSM tree tag
14:52:29 <Blake_> hopefully not
14:52:47 <Blake_> ya, it needs to get fixed up so it is more relevent
14:53:56 <mataharimhairi> so no, they are not tied in any way. the HDM list was just used as reference of features that might be required for export in a humanitarian response
14:56:37 <russdeffner> ok, so basically the HDM is now only related to the Humanitarian tiles
14:56:50 <Blake_> ya
14:58:20 <russdeffner> Anything needing done for HDM?
14:58:37 <russdeffner> at this point, or what's the workflow/etc.?
14:58:51 <Blake_> another working group should take that over
15:00:13 <Blake_> I have to run, thank you all for your time
15:00:20 <mataharimhairi> any ideas which WG would be best suited?
15:00:26 <mataharimhairi> thank you blake!
15:00:30 <Blake_> we will have to figure it out mataharimhairi
15:00:50 <Blake_> Unless someone has urgent business, new or old, I move we adjuourn
15:01:19 <russdeffner> There's just two cards left, I think we can do this quickly
15:01:39 <russdeffner> Unless there is objection, let's just return to the HDM next time
15:02:10 <russdeffner> #topic Activation Curriculum
15:02:34 <russdeffner> The only thing I think we have going here is migrating the content to GitBooks
15:02:55 <russdeffner> Blake, Mikel and myself have started, just need to find the time/motivation to continue
15:03:08 <russdeffner> Anything else regarding curriculum?
15:03:59 <russdeffner> #topic AWG Meeting Platform and Schedule
15:04:45 <russdeffner> Mhairi suggested moving to Slack, I guess we would just create a new channel for the AWG?
15:05:32 <russdeffner> Any objections to that?
15:06:21 <russdeffner> Ok
15:06:48 <mataharimhairi> no objections.
15:06:59 <mataharimhairi> but that might also be because we are the only two here ....
15:07:05 <russdeffner> I would like to move the time back one hour to 1500 UTC, does that not work for anyone?
15:07:22 <mataharimhairi> it makes it very late for me
15:07:57 <mataharimhairi> our time difference makes it difficult
15:08:09 <mataharimhairi> i am flexible though depending on who chairs
15:08:09 <russdeffner> yes, we'll always have that problem
15:08:27 <mataharimhairi> if you would like to chair/lead then please make the time more suitable for yourself
15:08:49 <mataharimhairi> otherwise i would appreciate it being a little earlier as I start to 'fail' the later is gets
15:08:50 <russdeffner> I guess we've been doing very late for you, I can put up with very early for me for a while
15:08:55 <mataharimhairi> *not a night worker
15:09:26 <russdeffner> ok, let's keep as is then
15:09:26 <mataharimhairi> thanks russell. we can switch it back again later.
15:09:41 <russdeffner> timechange will keep it even
15:09:41 <mataharimhairi> perhaps switching it back and forth is the best option
15:09:42 <Blake_> Unless someone has urgent business, new or old, I move we adjuourn
15:10:03 <Blake_> :)
15:10:07 <mataharimhairi> nothing else urgent blake
15:10:16 <mataharimhairi> thank you everyone!
15:10:27 <russdeffner> Yes, thanks!
15:10:43 <russdeffner> #endmeeting