19:01:56 #startmeeting 19:01:56 Meeting started Wed Jun 26 19:01:56 2019 UTC. The chair is nthykier. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:01:56 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:02:37 #topic Admin 19:03:18 #info nthykier will send a mail to team@ to discuss whether we should move the monthly meeting to a new day/time (done; happened 2019-05-22) 19:03:45 #undo 19:03:45 Removing item from minutes: 19:03:56 (correcting tempus) 19:04:14 #info nthykier had an action to send a mail to team@ to discuss whether we should move the monthly meeting to a new day/time (done; happened 2019-05-22) 19:05:08 #info nthkier had an action to propose some timeslots for clearning up the unblock queue (did not happen, but will be obsolete with the buster release) 19:05:41 elbrus: you had an action about following up on the pgoress of the installation guide 19:05:48 I think that happened, correctl? 19:05:49 correct* 19:05:51 correct 19:06:10 reply was it was releasable 19:06:12 o/ 19:07:10 #info elbrus had an action to follow up on the progress of the installation guide (done; the installation guide as in a releasable state) 19:07:16 perfect. :9 19:07:19 :)* 19:07:49 #info Previous meeting minutes are at http://meetbot.debian.net/debian-release/2019/debian-release.2019-04-24-19.04.html 19:07:57 I think that covers the admin part :) 19:08:43 ack 19:08:54 Next topic would be Transition, but it seems redundant 1½ weeks before the freeze 19:09:27 So I will skip ahead to Unblock queue unless we have something for Transition? 19:09:46 guess not :) 19:09:47 #topic Unblock queue 19:09:49 well, somebody started one, but I think we'll ignore it 19:10:10 truly, there is always an active transition somewhere :) 19:10:36 elbrus: woops 19:10:44 * kibi waves 19:10:51 * elbrus waves back 19:11:53 We allegedly have about 18 unblock requests waiting for us (+1 confirmed) plus 9 in moreinfo 19:12:18 nearly all very recent, most after the deadline 19:12:29 :) 19:13:11 #930717 is waiting for ftp-master 19:13:23 or can I remove and than unblock? 19:13:34 or should we force? 19:13:50 if content is OK, not sure if I fully checked 19:14:02 elbrus: is there an removal bug? 19:14:05 yes 19:14:12 #930717 19:14:16 oops 19:14:29 bug #930863 19:14:53 I think the options are waiting for ftp-master or force. Theoretically we can do it by hand, but there is a very strong preference to use the "official" methods (i.e. FTP master removal or force) 19:15:03 ack 19:15:10 will check the content tomorrow 19:15:33 thanks :) 19:15:40 * elbrus likes to note he didn't like the flood coming in after the deadline 19:15:51 but he expected that :( 19:16:14 good^Wappropriate expectation 19:16:16 We cannot fix people :) But we can postpone them for the first point release of buster where they make sense 19:16:43 sure 19:16:44 them here being the unblock requests (we cannot postpone people either) 19:17:18 :) 19:17:32 elbrus: gone 19:17:37 \o/ 19:17:40 waldi: thanks :) 19:17:41 thanks 19:18:55 but mostly, it seems that we managed to keep the unblock queue under control. I think that is very positive - thanks to all you :) Notably elbrus and ivodd for handling rejections or more controversial requests :) 19:19:01 I also like to note gnupg2 19:19:12 elbrus: ack, go ahead :) 19:19:22 #931126 19:19:28 no unblock yet, but there's an RC open 19:19:47 didn't look at the details but the package is well known and important to us 19:20:00 #928963 19:20:03 #undo 19:20:03 Removing item from minutes: 19:20:09 (sorry, had the wrong bug) 19:20:10 from past experience, gnupg* likes to come with many upstream bugfixes that are supposed to be safe but we somtimes get some surprises… 19:20:24 (plus it's usually late, which means we tend to be itchy about updating it…) 19:20:45 ok, so let's check carefully if the bug can be ignored for the first round of buster 19:20:46 #redo 19:21:23 * elbrus has more time tomorrow morning 19:21:38 Does Debian still have 64bit big endian? I thought there was only little endian left? 19:21:57 s390x 19:22:03 elbrus: thanks :) 19:22:22 Ah, somehow thought s390x was modern and little endian as well. 19:22:33 (assuming you have time to look at it - I know I probably will not) 19:23:31 ack 19:23:58 Any other items for the unblock queue? Next item would have bene "Freeze progress" but I think that is covered as well with the release annoucement? 19:24:49 nothing worth mentioning here right now 19:25:18 The item after "Freeze progress" is """ ANBE asked "obsolete conffiles after stretch->buster upgrades" """ but that seems obsolete too (with the release being in 1½ week, it is defacto "ignore") 19:25:51 So the next item would be "AOB" 19:26:07 #topic AOB 19:26:13 Any AOB ? :) 19:26:21 Do we want InRelease for buster? 19:26:43 adsb: ^ 19:26:58 (I presume you might have an answer for that) 19:27:22 ansgar: could you expand on the question (pros / cons of InRelease)? 19:28:13 ansgar: big-endian is modern :) 19:28:18 if we can reliably combine the sigs, I guess it would be OK 19:28:29 Pro: It is just one file and cannot get out of sync; we have InRelease for other suites (consistency) 19:28:30 but I will also poke jcristau in case I missed any other cons 19:28:43 cons: parsing inline-signed gpg is hard to get right. 19:28:49 jcristau: consider yourself poked ;) 19:29:09 Con: We didn't manage to merge signatures from ftp team / stable release managers. But I spend some time and gpg could be beaten to merge them. 19:29:16 So the con falls away ;-) 19:29:32 afair the historical reason we didnt is that inline-signing a file with 2 keys when they are not both available in the same gpg invocation is... tough 19:31:06 I am not sure if jcristau is around. I think we will leave the question open for now and have it answered after the meeting :) 19:31:16 yes, that was my intent 19:31:19 other AOB: golang build ordering script by Thorsten Alteholz; did anybody look at it or should we leave this to the security team? 19:31:29 we dont need the answer right now, just to have the discussion 19:31:40 (eating, will catch back up in a few minutes if need be) 19:31:44 Message-ID: 19:32:18 elbrus: I did not see it / know about it 19:32:48 https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/alpine.DEB.2.20.1906082337400.7570@jupiter.server.alteholz.net 19:33:35 I think it is a promising start but the security team will need to be able to use it 19:34:03 ack, but I don't intent to follow up 19:34:10 IOW, I think the security team should respond to it 19:34:18 they were not in CC though 19:34:31 oops, they were 19:34:54 I'll ping carnil and jmm_ about it ^ 19:34:57 elbrus: ack, we should probably let them know that we assume that mail is intended to them 19:35:01 perfect 19:35:14 #action elbrus to ping carnil and jmm_ about https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/alpine.DEB.2.20.1906082337400.7570@jupiter.server.alteholz.net 19:35:39 ... which may just have happed ... >.> 19:35:44 full ack 19:36:03 Moving on :) 19:36:12 Any other AOB ? :) 19:36:37 just a quick word: d-i seems on good tracks 19:36:50 \o/ 19:36:52 (a release may just have happened) 19:37:18 #info A new version of d-i was released today 19:37:21 \o/ 19:37:26 kibi: excellent work :) 19:37:27 as discussed on #-boot earlier, Sledge has more bugfixes, but some will wait until r1 or later. 19:37:56 :) 19:37:59 (non-RC according to him, and at some point a line has to be drawn, but you know the drill) 19:38:04 * Sledge is summoned 19:38:31 * Sledge has the traditional late debian-cd unblock coming soon, of course... :-) 19:38:33 I think we have an RC still, against base-installer 19:39:07 I don't have anything else off the top of my hat; besides possibly some updates to the installation guide to point to the LUKS2 vs. /boot doc that cryptsetup maintainers have added. 19:39:45 and as usual you know where to find me if you see something fishy regarding some RC bugs in the d-i area ;) 19:40:26 #929667 concerned? 19:40:39 that's the one I was referring to 19:40:50 ok 19:41:15 hopefully just a matter of git reverting a commit and double checking; it was mentioned by bwh but the d-i upload was already happening and I didn't want to wait 19:41:44 current plan is performing an extra d-i upload somewhen around the “testing frozen” beginning, with that and possibly whatever stuff was unblocked by then 19:41:59 should be an RC3-but-hopefully-final release as far as d-i goes 19:42:33 +1 19:42:34 #info We are expecting one more d-i release for buster 19:43:07 * Sledge would love a last linux upload too, don't know if bwh is up for it 19:43:16 depending when that happens, it might make sense to announce it as usual, but mentioning that the real release and installation images for r0 are coming up a couple of days later 19:43:35 I think we've done that last time 19:44:21 This will be the last release candidate, and the next upload of the 19:44:22 debian-installer package will be used for the final Debian 9.0 build, 19:44:22 without a separate announcement for the installer. 19:44:29 → https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2017/06/msg00003.html 19:44:40 :) 19:45:35 I will likely keep both -boot and -release posted any way; was just rushing RC 2 out to make sure we have a release out that could be used in the worst case scenario, and that would allow us to catch possible late regressions 19:45:51 ack - I appreciate that :) 19:46:49 Any final remarks or AOB before I move on to "Next meeting"? :) 19:46:55 AOB question, will we be marking all RC bugs? ie. buster-will-remove buster-can-defer, etc 19:47:36 ... and on that bomb shell, lets move on to ... ;) 19:47:47 seriously though, good question. 19:48:23 e.g. I marked dhelp as will-remove, but it got a fix yesterday 19:49:11 (not wanting to discuss dhelp here, but as an example) 19:50:00 am I correct in saying that everything without an unblock we want such a tag? 19:50:20 or is everything untagged -defer by default? 19:50:23 or somethign 19:50:24 * 19:51:21 if no answer comes, let's continue :) 19:51:32 Historically, we have been tagging remaining RC bugs as -ignore / -can-defer or removed them. I presume we will end up doing something similar this release as well once we sorted out the remaining unblock request :) 19:51:36 requsts* 19:51:37 ... 19:51:52 requests* 19:52:08 ack 19:52:33 Closing... 19:52:40 #topic Next meeting 19:54:05 As mentioned, I sent out an enquiry about whether we should move the meeting time. There was one reply (thanks elbrus!) and accordingly I have decided to keep the current timeslot for now. 19:54:23 If you want a new timeslot, feel free to answer my mail from May about this :) 19:54:31 #info Next meeting is 24th July at 19:00 UTC (import into your calendar via https://release.debian.org/release-calendar.ics) 19:54:58 at which point we will have released Buster and recovered if everything goes well! 19:55:03 #endmeeting