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19:00:38 <nthykier> \o/
19:01:22 <adsb> .
19:02:26 <nthykier> jmw has excused himself - any other known "no shows"?
19:02:55 <nthykier> KiBi: jcristau: pochu: ping :)
19:03:20 <pochu> o/
19:03:41 <nthykier> okay, lets get started
19:03:54 <nthykier> #topic Previous minutes/actions
19:04:44 <nthykier> MySQL/MariaDB - there was some talk there during debconf.  To my knowledge, the maintainers have a plan and is working on it :)
19:04:45 <KiBi> nthykier: pong
19:06:36 <nthykier> #info MySQL/MariaDB item: During debconf, the maintainers devised a plan and should be carrying it out now
19:07:10 <nthykier> #info Porter rollcall item: nthykier still to write the mail and send it out
19:08:28 <nthykier> #info Artwork: We got our first submission called "Monster": https://wiki.debian.org/DebianArt/Themes/Monster
19:08:33 <nthykier> \o/ for that!
19:08:45 <pochu> :D
19:08:53 <adsb> ooo
19:09:20 <nthykier> I have also been lobbying another person for a submission.  Hopefully we shall see another entry soon! :)
19:09:35 <KiBi> what about the other other one?
19:09:36 <nthykier> That said, I should probably do another noisy reminder to make people submit artwork
19:09:58 <nthykier> KiBi: mm?
19:10:13 <pochu> can we get a bit more publicity on this?
19:10:23 <KiBi> nthykier: was thinking about Juliette
19:10:24 <pochu> maybe debian-desktop@ is not the best place
19:10:40 <pochu> or not the only best place :)
19:10:48 <KiBi> pochu: it went to dda@ as well
19:10:52 <nthykier> KiBi: oh right, I have been meaning to follow up on that as well
19:10:58 <KiBi> 1416     Jun 05 niels@thykier.n (2.3K) Call for Stretch artwork proposals
19:11:08 <pochu> ah ok
19:11:57 <nthykier> #action nthykier to do a mail/blog/publicity to lobby for more artwork
19:12:08 <pochu> what about @debian on twitter/identi.ca and other places?
19:12:23 <nthykier> pochu: Good call
19:12:24 <pochu> maybe ask the publicity team to do somethingn about it :)
19:12:33 <nthykier> #undo
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19:12:34 <pochu> ana can help :)
19:12:43 <KiBi> I wonder, I think I saw it retweeted and al, but making sure wouldn't hurt
19:13:01 <pochu> https://twitter.com/debian/status/739591152169537537
19:13:03 <pochu> indeed
19:13:08 * pochu doesn't do twitter...
19:13:12 <KiBi> bad pochu
19:13:15 <nthykier> #action nthykier to talk with the publicity team about sending out more artwork related PR
19:13:58 <KiBi> (it's a time sink)
19:14:02 <nthykier> #action nthykier to check up with last times artists to see if any of them are interested in another submission
19:14:11 <nthykier> Anyway, that is what I had for artwork
19:14:13 <KiBi> looks good :)
19:14:38 <nthykier> Only because it is 2-0 on action items in  your favour :P
19:14:44 <ana> I can write something directly
19:15:19 <nthykier> ana: That would be much appreciated.  I am happy to help / review if/as needed/desired :)
19:15:26 <ana> nthykier: deal!
19:17:08 <nthykier> jcristau had an action item on an email about a sprint - as I recall that already happened, right?
19:17:27 <nthykier> (from http://meetbot.debian.net/debian-release/2016/debian-release.2016-06-01-19.00.html)
19:17:31 <pochu> I think so
19:17:45 <adsb> https://lists.debian.org/debian-sprints/2016/06/msg00000.html
19:18:01 <nthykier> Ah yes
19:18:08 <adsb> assuming the suncamp sprint
19:18:10 <pochu> quick adsb is quick
19:18:21 <nthykier> #info jcristau sent out the sprint report (https://lists.debian.org/debian-sprints/2016/06/msg00000.html)
19:18:39 <nthykier> good - I think we got everything covered in this topic.
19:19:01 <nthykier> any thing I missed?
19:19:55 <nthykier> If not, then I will move on.
19:19:58 <pochu> that's all :)
19:20:08 <nthykier> #topic Schedule arch health check
19:20:17 <nthykier> #undo
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19:20:35 <nthykier> sorry, jmw put that there - lets punt it till later in case he has time to show up
19:20:42 <nthykier> #topic Transitions
19:21:06 <pochu> that's for me I guess :)
19:21:10 <nthykier> Yupe :)
19:21:21 <pochu> gnat6 is stagnant - I need to send a ping
19:21:34 <pochu> perl 5.24 is planned - only one blocker atm
19:21:43 <nthykier> #action pochu to send a ping on gnat6 transition
19:21:57 <nthykier> #info Up coming Perl5.24 transition
19:22:00 <nthykier> Cool :)
19:22:01 <pochu> jasper-rm and openjpeg-rm are almost complete - only one blocker for each one and they should happen for stretch
19:22:11 <pochu> too less security-sensitive packages in stretch :)
19:22:14 <nthykier> Excellent
19:22:17 <pochu> s/too/two/
19:22:37 <pochu> we have four llvm versions in testing atm - plan is to get that reduced
19:22:54 <nthykier> 3.9, right?
19:23:02 <pochu> we need to get llvm-toolchain-3.8 built on every release arch, which is WIP
19:23:23 <pochu> we have 3.5 through 3.8, and the maintainers want to make 3.8 the default
19:23:38 <nthykier> ah, misremembered then :)
19:24:10 <nthykier> does it seem doable within the time limit?
19:24:13 <pochu> we have ghc still using 3.5, and ghc 8 in experimental uses 3.7 - it's not clear if we'll have ghc 8 for Stretch though, but in any case it's still unclear if we could have it using llvm 3.8
19:24:52 <pochu> it's doable to get the list reduced. it's unclear / unlikely to get it down to one version though
19:25:00 <pochu> but we'll see
19:25:34 <pochu> there are plans to switch to GCC 6, icu 57 and boost 1.60 or 1.61 as well - possibly at the same time - still need to hear more about that
19:26:12 <pochu> and that's probably all the relevant stuff I can think of right now :)
19:26:17 <nthykier> GCC-6.3 is indeed expected as default for Stretch - have you heard any news on that?
19:27:16 <pochu> plan for GCC is early August AFAIK
19:27:30 <nthykier> So "any moment now"?
19:27:50 <pochu> and possibly do icu (which should be fine) and boost (no idea about this) together with it - but I haven't heard much
19:27:54 <pochu> yeah
19:28:08 <nthykier> ok
19:28:23 <pochu> doko: around, by any chance?
19:29:05 <nthykier> #info GCC-6 transition expected in early August.  Possibly including icu and boost at the same time (if managable)
19:30:45 <nthykier> Also.  Once again, great work on the transitions :)
19:30:52 <pochu> :)
19:31:47 <nthykier> mmm, btw, do you plan on doing perl5.24 after GCC-6 or ...?
19:32:57 <pochu> no plan atm, but possibly yes
19:33:00 <nthykier> ok
19:33:22 <nthykier> Guess still no jmw?
19:34:49 <aurel32> as already said on this channel i would also plan to do a glibc 2.24 transition during august, if possible
19:34:59 <nthykier> aurel32: ah good point!
19:35:22 <nthykier> #info Pending glibc 2.24 transition
19:35:36 <pochu> aurel32: oh right. sure thing
19:36:02 <nthykier> looks like we have plenty left on the transition plate before the freeze :)
19:36:39 <pochu> as long as it's before and not after ;)
19:37:09 <nthykier> Ok, I think we will move on to AOB, if there (really) are no more items for transitions :)
19:37:20 <pochu> nthykier: can you give an update on secure boot?
19:37:27 <nthykier> pochu: sure
19:37:33 <nthykier> #topic Secure Boot
19:37:39 <nthykier> So lets make that Secure Boot
19:38:16 <nthykier> As mentioned during the meeting at DebConf, we are considering Secure Boot a release blocker for Stretch
19:38:47 <nthykier> I have not followed the progress as close as I would like
19:39:26 <nthykier> Most of the technical items are filed as bugs blocking #820036
19:40:49 <nthykier> Beyond that we are missing an EV cert (and a possibly a key/certificate for the shim)
19:42:02 <nthykier> During debconf we agreed that Mithrandir would create and shard a private key for that.  I suspect that is done; at least I am told we are waiting for SPI on the EV cert now
19:42:31 <nthykier> But otherwise, I suspect most of the tasks have not moved considerably since debconf
19:42:42 <aurel32> yes, the EV certificate has been asked by Mithrandir
19:42:45 <nthykier> (at least to my knowledge and limited research)
19:42:58 <aurel32> and since then is blocked on SPI having a phone number
19:43:12 <nthykier> #info EV certificate is currently blocked on SPI having a phone number
19:43:13 <aurel32> jcristau has been trying to get one from SPI
19:43:21 <nthykier> ooh
19:44:09 <nthykier> #action jcristau working on resolving the missing phone number for SPI
19:44:15 <nthykier> aurel32: Thanks! :)
19:45:12 <aurel32> well not sure the action is on jcristau, but he is the one regularly pinging the issue
19:45:21 <nthykier> #undo
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19:45:42 <nthykier> #info jcristau is currently following up on the lacking SPI phone number
19:45:51 <nthykier> aurel32: thanks for the correction :)
19:46:41 <nthykier> aurel32: do you know if the status of that is tracked somewhere in public (as opposed to people's inbox)
19:47:16 <aurel32> no it's not
19:47:27 <nthykier> ok, thanks
19:48:26 <nthykier> If there are no questions, then I guess I will move to AOB then :)
19:48:48 <pochu> thanks nthykier and aurel32 for the update
19:49:15 <nthykier> :)
19:49:20 <nthykier> #topic AOB
19:49:40 <nthykier> Any items for AOB?
19:49:47 <adsb> not from me
19:49:50 <pochu> I already asked mine :)
19:50:02 <nthykier> Excellent :)
19:50:16 <nthykier> I got jmw's "Schedule arch health check".
19:50:57 <nthykier> I think it sounds like a good idea, so I intend to follow up with jmw and hear what exactly he had in mind
19:51:12 <nthykier> (hopefully getting the porter rollcall out of the way first)
19:51:34 <pochu> ack
19:51:46 <nthykier> #action nthykier to follow up with jmw on scheduling an arch health check
19:51:53 <pochu> oh btw how's mips64el? I read build-essential already migrated. can we drop it from FUCKED_ARCHES now?
19:52:40 <nthykier> #info build-essential is available on mips64el now
19:52:50 <nthykier> pochu: I heard that as well
19:53:10 <nthykier> Not sure if it is ready to be removed from FUCKED_ARCHES yet.  It still has 1000 broken packages
19:53:28 <aurel32> there are still plenty of packages to get migrated
19:53:29 <nthykier> and I suspect a lot of items blocked from migration
19:53:50 <aurel32> i don't know how smart is britney, but it looks like we might have to break dependency loops
19:53:51 <nthykier> erh, actually, I think you want "BREAK_ARCHES"
19:53:56 <pochu> but wouldn't BREAK_ARCHES be enough?
19:53:59 <aurel32> around libsoup2.4 for example
19:54:13 <nthykier> pochu: generally you want to get out of BREAK_ARCHES first
19:54:14 <pochu> I want cruft to get removed :)
19:55:43 <nthykier> aurel32: Feel free to ask for hints if it would help
19:56:38 <nthykier> ok, we are running low on time, so I would like to move on (assuming there is nothing more for mips64el)
19:57:01 <pochu> I'm fine with leaving it in FUCKED_ARCHES for a while longer
19:57:05 <pochu> let's move on
19:57:13 <nthykier> #topic Next meeting
19:57:38 <aurel32> ok, i'll ask after the meeting, but i don't understand everything in the excuses output
19:57:56 <pochu> nthykier: fourth thursday of august, same time?
19:58:12 <nthykier> According to the fantastic release calander, the next meeting is the 24th of August at 19:00 UTC
19:58:15 <pochu> sorry wednesday
19:58:26 <nthykier> (https://release.debian.org/release-calendar.ics)
19:59:01 <nthykier> Any desire to change that date/time?
19:59:50 <nthykier> going twice...?
20:00:03 <nthykier> #info Next meeting: 24th of August, 19:00 UTC (https://release.debian.org/release-calendar.ics)
20:00:06 <nthykier> #endmeeting