18:36:02 #startmeeting 18:36:02 Meeting started Thu Mar 29 18:36:02 2012 UTC. The chair is shirish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:36:02 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:36:08 we would distribute the topics first 18:36:21 #chairs shirish j4v4m4n 18:36:47 #chairs shirish j4v4m4n prashant harsh prasann 18:37:06 guys, just started an instance of meetbot. This helps to take notes during meet-ups. 18:37:32 how about installing software from source? 18:37:33 As can be seen j4v4m4n has added few more people to the chair. 18:37:50 that's good 18:37:55 See the wiki for more . http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot 18:38:13 that will give a practical examples of dependencies, searching etc 18:38:31 hmm 18:38:46 prasann: gnash, lekhonee-gnome etc are good ones 18:38:49 that's important too 18:39:07 so add another two hours for this 18:39:36 j4v4m4n: do we want to do an introduction to FOSS thing ? 18:39:47 I think we need not 18:39:53 no not needed 18:40:01 shirish: may be we can do why contribute? 18:40:12 ok 18:40:31 Ya 18:40:34 we can start with that 1 hour discussion 18:40:55 what would be the topics in that hour 18:40:56 k 18:40:57 j4v4m4n: ok, that sounds good. Does anybody want to start off with 'Why contribute to Debian' ? 18:40:58 what people get from contributing, how does it help students etc 18:41:32 so we can start with why contribute to free software or commons 18:41:35 1 hr 18:41:43 2 hours newbies session 18:41:52 ok 18:41:56 then 18:41:59 shirish, we need introduction & debate session on FOSS maybe some another day 18:42:00 2 hours building from source hands on 18:42:11 prashant: ok. 18:42:18 1 hour contributing to debian 18:42:31 I think that is good for day 1 18:42:33 how time do this workshop will last 18:42:44 1 hour break for lunch in between 18:42:49 #info why contribute to free software or commons 1 hour 18:42:54 it should not be more than 5-6 hrs a day 18:43:01 #info 2 hours newbies session 18:43:04 prasann, yes 18:43:14 #info 2 hours building from source hands on 18:43:36 #info 1 hour contributing to debian 18:43:39 I think we covered day 1, it will be 5-6 hours 18:43:54 # 1 hour lunch in-between. 18:43:55 list again 18:44:05 but that should consists of at least 2 brakes 18:44:18 yup , 18:44:27 harsh: add breaks after other sessions too 18:44:34 ya 2 20 min breaks 18:44:37 who will be giving the why contribute to debian? 18:44:40 j4v4m4n, okey 18:44:49 #info 15 mins break after each session. 18:44:56 brakes can be managed at time 18:44:57 20 mins 18:45:06 pankaj, agreed 18:45:09 prasann: I can take it, I think shirish and n1x will join me 18:45:10 what time are we starting at, 10ish or earlier ? 18:45:15 should think about the meal timings 18:45:24 lunch break would take moore time 18:45:43 10 will be fine 18:46:10 1o 18:46:13 first brake after 2 hours 18:46:14 j4v4m4n: ? 18:46:14 prashant: prasann harsh for newbies session and building from source decide among yourself and coordinate 18:46:28 prashant: 10 would do 18:46:32 oops! sorry! what task i am assigned? j4v4m4n ? 18:46:35 ok 18:46:46 n1x: why contribute? 18:46:59 n1x: we will do it togther with shirish 18:47:00 j4v4m4n, i'm also one of newbie 18:47:23 prasann, 18:47:29 harsh: ok so prashant and prasann will take those 18:47:40 prashant, : should 18:47:43 #info 1st day start at 10:00 IST 18:47:44 j4v4m4n, i thought you were planning for next weekend! if this is this weekend, then i can't come on sunday 18:47:45 j4v4m4n, okey fine 18:47:58 prasann: prashant take help from 3rd years if needed 18:48:11 ya 18:48:13 ya 18:48:14 n1x: we are talking about saturday 18:48:27 n1x: this sat.-sun. 18:48:47 j4v4m4n, okay then.. I can come on Saturday but not Sunday 18:48:54 n1x: fine 18:49:19 what will be the topics for sunday 18:49:37 harsh: packaging 18:49:46 harsh: hands on 18:49:47 ok 18:49:56 ok 18:49:57 j4v4m4n, ook 18:50:02 ok 18:50:22 that will be taken by ? 18:50:29 harsh: we can do one sample package and after that if there is time every one can take one new package 18:50:36 shirish, and j4v4m4n 18:50:41 prasann: yup 18:50:46 k 18:50:56 #action Why contribute to Debian , j4v4m4n, shirish,n1x 18:50:57 prashant: may be more people will come shravan may be there 18:51:15 yup we do 18:51:18 for packaging it might be better to have shravan. 18:51:21 ok 18:51:42 prashant: talk to shravan and also sana khan 18:51:56 who's taking the newbies session ? 18:51:57 j4v4m4n, ya i will 18:52:33 i l help prashant 18:52:56 i will do compiling from source 18:53:01 someone update wiki page with the scedule http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIndia/DebianUtsav2012 18:53:38 j4v4m4n: will do that, the meetbot will do the minutes, if somebody wants to do it other than me they are welcome to do that but tell me now. 18:54:07 we dont know how to use meetbot 18:54:10 #action prasann prashant doing the newbies session 18:54:49 prasann: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot 18:54:50 prasann: at the end of the meet when anybody who has the chair powers will trigger an endmeeting with a hashtag preceding it. 18:55:05 that automatically will give links to the minutes of the meet. 18:55:23 shirish: can you send the minutes to mailing lists as well? 18:55:36 j4v4m4n: sure, will do. 18:55:43 shirish: add plus also 18:55:52 shirish: may be try getting it on pune tech 18:56:00 shirish: I mean plug 18:56:23 j4v4m4n: ah ok, can try for plug cannot tell about pune-tech as its short notice. 18:56:40 prasann: minutes from our last meetup. http://meetbot.debian.net/debian-in/2012/debian-in.2012-02-19-17.00.html 18:56:55 prasann, do something 18:57:17 i m lookin on link 18:58:09 what will be the place for the event? 18:58:19 Foss lab 18:58:24 k 18:58:30 entc entension 18:58:31 j4v4m4n: should I just mention 'compiling from source' or do you want me to do give some other name for it ? 18:59:01 learn to build software from source 18:59:32 j4v4m4n, : that title will be more attractive 19:00:02 j4v4m4n: I guess this we will tackle after lunch 19:00:39 "Before you start contributing to any Free Software, first step is learning how to build it from source." 19:00:44 #action Why contribute to Debian , j4v4m4n, shirish,n1x 1 hour 10:00 - 11:00 IST 19:00:58 #action break 11:00 - 11:15 IST 19:01:02 shirish: that is last topic 19:01:18 j4v4m4n: ok last topic for the day. 19:01:23 shirish: first one is why contribute to free software/commons 19:01:28 what are the basic packages required for the workshop 19:01:51 harsh: gcc for building 19:02:10 harsh: internet access 19:02:10 harsh: I think for the first day, dpkg, apt tools, apt-get,aptitude and gcc as j4v4m4n told/shared. 19:02:13 do we need sudo prvilage 19:02:15 j4v4m4n, only gcc 19:02:24 harsh: root access/sudo for installing software 19:02:29 prashant: yes 19:02:31 pankaj, :nope 19:02:32 prashant: yes, you need root/sudo access. 19:03:01 prashant: if we can't get that, we can use virtual box 19:03:03 or should we bring our laptops 19:03:10 so we need to talk with lab admins of foss lab 19:03:13 getting root there wouldn't be problem 19:03:21 #action negate the schedule, start afresh here. 19:03:26 harsh: laptops would be good 19:03:31 For what we reqiure sudo previlage 19:03:49 prasann: install software dependencies when building from source 19:03:50 prashant: how are you going to install your compiled package in the system ? 19:03:59 but laptops are not allowed inside foss lab 19:04:28 shirish: that is the last step we could use --prefix=$HOME/opt but for dependecies we need root 19:04:28 For apt-get we require it , if we do manually we dont require it 19:04:29 shirish, dpkg 19:04:36 j4v4m4n: true. 19:05:00 prashant: better use apt than dpkg 19:05:17 harsh: talk to Abhijit sir and ask if people can bring laptops 19:05:20 if getting root access is not possible, you can arrange for Virtual Machine instances (VirtualBox) 19:05:35 hmm 19:05:47 yes 19:06:02 that would be a pain point. IIRC most college PC's are not beefy. 19:06:26 meaning they can't handle VM's and building/doing stuff within them. 19:06:33 shirish, ok we need sudo previlage then 19:06:42 shirish, we did that in the minidebconf which happened at CoEP ( used VBox for packaging) 19:06:45 better our own laptops 19:06:53 so for the worst case we have to think for another veneu 19:07:24 n1x: I do remember that but IIRC that it worked for few people only. 19:07:34 harsh: we have done it in foss lab earlier 19:07:43 we will get permission if we talk with abhijeet sir 19:07:50 with many problems 19:08:10 that would be the best if you get sudo access (only if for a day). 19:08:17 j4v4m4n, yes but we did it on the computers there in the lab 19:09:09 guys can we have a minute here, let me just understand the schedule and write it here and then we can go on talking, sorry. 19:09:30 j4v4m4n: who is leading 'why contribute to free software' ? Discussion or somebody leading that ? 19:09:41 shirish: discussion 19:10:03 shirish: you me and n1x will be kind of like the panelists 19:10:15 we will ask them lots of questions 19:10:26 if they don't ask any :) 19:10:34 j4v4m4n, but that day the time has passed in installing packages on each computer 19:10:57 #action Why contribute to Free software/commons Discussion shirish, praveen and AbdulKarim panelists. Timings : 10:00 - 11:00 IST 19:11:11 harsh: yes, but we shoudl give as much close to the real expereince as possible 19:11:20 #action break 11:00 - 11:15 am IST 19:11:35 j4v4m4n, agreed 19:11:46 harsh: don't you guys have a debian mirror at your end ? 19:12:02 IIRC there was a debian mirror at COEP ? 19:12:11 shirish: they have an Ubuntu mirror 19:12:18 j4v4m4n: ah crap, ok. 19:12:26 j4v4m4n, that mirror has gone bad 19:12:33 yaa 19:12:46 yup 19:12:49 harsh: prasann how? 19:12:50 so its back to either having the packages via usb or downloading them . 19:13:02 usb/thumdrive. 19:13:07 shirish: they have a squid cache setup 19:13:10 j4v4m4n, what? 19:13:20 ? 19:13:22 j4v4m4n: ok. 19:13:27 shirish: so it wouldn't be too bacd 19:13:37 harsh: what happened to the mirror? 19:14:24 j4v4m4n, i only could not install packages from that mirror and abhijit sir told me that it has gone bad 19:14:36 harsh: try to fix it 19:15:38 harsh: squid cache sort of traps repeated requests, so in this instance only the first copy of package requests would have to go to the mirror, all the rest should probably would be handled by the cache itself. 19:15:39 i think the problem will be solved till Saturday 19:15:46 j4v4m4n, i'll talk to abhijit sir and inform you about the mirror status 19:16:03 harsh: awesome! 19:16:18 which means less stuff to do. I have no idea how big the cache is there though and or/if any filters have been put into it, etc. 19:17:13 Now scheduled of sunnday 19:17:39 j4v4m4n: after discussion, its the newbies session, right ? 19:17:52 first let him complete saturday's shedulded 19:17:53 prasann: just packaging demo/learning and if there is time packaging a new software 19:18:02 k 19:18:02 shirish: yes 19:18:37 #action 11:15 - 1:15 newbies session prasann,prashant 19:18:40 j4v4m4n, this should be for newbies for only first 2-3 hours 19:18:49 k 19:19:07 ok how much time for lunch break ? An hour or little bit more ? 19:19:18 an hour is fine 19:19:25 yup 19:19:25 harsh: the above session, right? 19:19:37 j4v4m4n, yeah 19:20:00 harsh, what about mess times? 19:20:09 j4v4m4n: we want to do just an hour for newbies session ? 19:20:23 prashant, 12:30 19:20:40 prashant, what do you think 19:20:47 shirish: we can break in the middle 19:21:10 j4v4m4n: break as in a 15 minute break or what do you mean ? 19:21:41 j4v4m4n: ? 19:21:43 shirish: break for lunch 19:21:58 oh ok. and then continue the same session after lunch ? 19:21:59 shirish, just take the break after ones talk is completed 19:22:07 shirish: yes 19:22:28 shirish, otherwise one could loss the thread 19:22:33 harsh: The newbies session should be couple of hours, just an hour would not suffice. 19:23:00 prashant: plan it as one hour - one hour with a break in the middle 19:23:01 shirish, okey no problem 19:23:02 harsh: that is not a problem, we would be there, and it always is good to refresh stuff as well. 19:23:41 prashant: tell us what you want to do or how you want to play it 19:23:47 shirish, indeed 19:23:51 j4v4m4n, you mean in two parts seprated by a break 19:24:02 prashant: that is my suggestion 19:24:13 prashant: you decide what works best 19:24:18 j4v4m4n, that's fine 19:24:19 prashant: add a +1 to it from me as well but its your baby. 19:24:40 k 19:25:32 #action Newbies session Pt. 1 - Prasann, Prashant 11:15 - 12:15 IST 19:25:37 means 1 hour talk by prasann and prashant and another one by j4v4m4n 19:25:58 #action lunch break 1 hour 12: 15 - 13:15 IST 19:26:03 shirish, how if i include repositories stuff 19:26:05 harsh: I think 2 hours by prasann and prashant 19:26:21 prashant: add anything! 19:26:22 j4v4m4n, you should join them 19:26:39 harsh: I will be there asking questions in between 19:26:48 j4v4m4n, :atleast help us in between 19:26:55 j4v4m4n, thats perfectly fine 19:26:57 #action Newbies session Pt. 2 Prasann, Prashant 13:15 - 14:15 IST 19:27:10 prasann: that will be there 19:27:37 prasann: pull in lokesh and payas too - at least ask them if they can join 19:27:42 prashant: prasann: we both will be there in case something comes up. 19:28:01 i ll ask lokesh n payas 19:28:08 #action 14:15 - 14:30 break 19:28:09 shirish, and we are their friends only 19:28:16 harsh: ok. 19:29:09 #action why contribute to Debian Shirish, Praveen and AbdulKarim 14:30 - 15:30 IST 19:29:31 j4v4m4n: that's it day 1 is over I guess ? 19:29:34 shirish: learn to build from source in before that 19:29:41 j4v4m4n: drats. 19:30:00 let me list up building software from source,apt-get basics,repositories anything else? 19:30:22 # action modified learning build from source Prashant Prasann 14:30 - 15:30 IST 19:30:33 prashant: make sure it is hands on 19:30:38 #break 15:30 -15:45 19:30:43 j4v4m4n, yes 19:30:44 prashant: and everyone gets to do it by themselves 19:31:09 # action why contribute to Debian Shirish, Praveen and AbdulKarim 15:45 - 16:45 IST 19:31:24 sorry guys for the confusion, it just has been a long long day for me. 19:31:32 shirish: all Abdul Karim should be Muneeb :) 19:31:41 not sure if Abdul will turn up 19:32:04 j4v4m4n: ok, will add both of them just to make sure. 19:32:19 # action why contribute to Debian Shirish, Praveen, Muneeb and AbdulKarim 15:45 - 16:45 IST 19:32:27 just be on the safe side. 19:32:33 #action day 1 is over. 19:32:46 ok, now let's talk about day 2. packaging 19:32:51 j4v4m4n, ya we will take care of that 19:33:26 shirish: day 2 is just packaging - learn and practice with a new software 19:33:29 Which package we will be dealing with 19:33:50 prasann: surprice :) 19:34:19 prasann: but ask every one to look in wnpp.debian.net to find a package they like 19:34:22 Hope ,so not the package we dealt earlier 19:34:26 j4v4m4n: but still we have to write something as a schedule or some semblance of a schedule. 19:34:43 j4v4m4n, : k 19:34:48 10-12.30 packaging 19:35:06 11:00-11:15 break 19:35:15 12.30 to 1.30 lunch 19:35:40 1.30 - 5.30 start maintianing a package 19:35:54 prasann: why? 19:36:15 #action day 2 1st April 2012 Packaging PT 1 10:00 IST - 11:00 IST 19:36:37 #action day 2 1st April 2012 break 11:00 - 11:15 IST 19:36:45 those who learned packaging in previous sessions can start with a new package from morning itself 19:37:27 #action day 2 1st April 2012 Packaging PT 2 11:15 - 12:30 19:37:44 #action day 2 1st April 2012 Lunch break 12:30 - 13:30 19:38:13 j4v4m4n, what is the need of that 11 to 11:15 break 19:38:20 #action day 2 1st April 2012 'Start maintaining a package' - 13:30 - 17:30 19:38:40 harsh: if people don't want a break we can continue 19:38:53 shirish, : 19:38:54 j4v4m4n, we will come taking our morning breakfast 19:38:59 j4v4m4n: I guess making manpages would be somewhere in there. 19:39:03 harsh: upto you 19:39:07 j4v4m4n, okey that's fine 19:39:08 j4v4m4n: in the second session. 19:39:22 shirish, : want lecture on copyrights 19:39:37 atleast of 20min 19:39:42 prasann: can do that, but need to figure out time. 19:39:50 prasann, we can keep it on another day 19:39:59 prasann: and also how many people would be interested in that, have no idea. 19:40:07 prasann: no probs. just lemme know when. 19:40:18 it means our session will last for 7:30 hours with 1 hour gap 19:40:23 prasann: we can do that when we work on debian/copyright file 19:40:26 shirish, : when we will write file of copyright 19:40:53 harsh: 5.30 pm 19:41:04 shirish, we are all interested but i think it will be mix-up 19:41:07 harsh: shirish is train timing :) 19:41:08 j4v4m4n: not a bad idea, we could simply tell of all the copyleft licenses that Debian allows and why so. 19:41:28 j4v4m4n, i'm telling the our time span 19:41:29 prashant: we will cover it in between 19:42:47 j4v4m4n: actually I don't like the am and pm business hence use the 24 hours clock (IRL also). 19:43:11 shirish: :) 19:43:23 i think our sheduled has been prepared so lets continue with gmail thread for purposes 19:43:32 harsh: yup 19:43:36 yup 19:43:37 shirish, though we need a separate one on conribution to foss,copyrights,creative commons on another day 19:43:54 prashant: we will do it 19:44:17 j4v4m4n, shirish thanks for that 19:44:24 prasann: prashant: sure, for this week-end though is it ok whatever we talk at run-time. I don't wanna spend time on making presentations. 19:44:42 prasann: so do th honours to end the meeting 19:44:55 prasann: go right ahead. 19:45:00 shirish: don't make phd theseses :) 19:45:22 So are we done with schedule 19:45:25 j4v4m4n: I am NOT going to make any presentations this week-end, another day is another story though. 19:45:31 prasann: yup. 19:46:40 So i would like to know whole schedule once again 19:46:43 prasann: see http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot how to end the meeting and meet it. 19:47:01 prasann: it would come when you do the ^ 19:47:22 prasann: we can always change it later on the groups thread or/and at run-time. 19:47:32 shirish, yup we will be more focusing on everybody hands on activities than making fancy presentations 19:47:55 prashant, :that will be better 19:48:03 :) 19:48:08 prashant: as far as I'm concerned, I am poor at making fancy presentations :) 19:48:31 :) 19:48:46 prasann: do the honors, end the meeting, that will just mean the logs would be there, we can continue having discussions after that as well. 19:49:28 prashant: harsh one of you can do it as well 19:49:55 yup anyone who is on chair can do it. 19:49:59 #chairs 19:50:50 shirish, : do it i really donn't know how to end meeting 19:51:10 prasann: did you read http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot ? 19:51:10 shirish: I think you just cleared #chairs ! 19:51:59 #chairs shirish j4v4m4n prashant harsh prasann 19:52:32 prasann: look at the page and if still not found, then use the browser's find command and see where endmeeting is written. 19:52:49 'endmeeting' without the atostrophes should give you the required stuff. 19:53:06 endmeeting 19:53:23 prasann: you didn't put the hash preceding it. 19:53:58 #endmeeting 19:54:06 #endmeeting 19:54:28 for some reason its not happening, lemme try it. 19:54:30 #endmeeting