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19:58:40 <h01ger> #topic lets get started, please say hi if you're here
19:58:44 <h01ger> hi
19:58:53 <sep_> hi
19:58:54 <k4x> hi
19:59:03 * jever = Jürgen Leibner
19:59:17 <h01ger> (we'll only start in 2min but its good to be early :)
19:59:25 * pere = Petter Reinholdtsen
20:00:16 * and1bm Andi Mundt
20:01:14 <h01ger> the agenda is
20:01:19 <h01ger> Squeeze status
20:01:19 <h01ger> single arch DVDs
20:01:19 <h01ger> new name for the thin-client-server profile (#588510)
20:01:19 <h01ger> alpha2 timeline?
20:01:19 <h01ger> gathering in Oslo, 3-5 Dec 2010
20:01:20 <h01ger> other business?
20:01:21 <h01ger> Next meeting?
20:01:23 <h01ger> anything else?
20:01:49 <highvoltage> hi!
20:01:50 <k4x> yes please: meeting in Germany in February 2011
20:01:59 * highvoltage = Jonathan Carter
20:02:10 * k4x = Kurt Gramlich
20:02:32 <h01ger> k4x, ack, added
20:02:37 * h01ger = Holger Levse
20:02:38 <h01ger> n
20:04:15 * h01ger added current status / blockers to the squeeze topic
20:04:22 <h01ger> so lets start
20:04:34 <h01ger> #topic 1 Who moderates the meeting and who writes the summary?
20:04:43 <h01ger> moderator -> h01ger
20:04:47 <h01ger> summary -> jever
20:04:58 <h01ger> #topic 2. squeeze status
20:05:06 <h01ger> #topic 2.1 squeeze status - single arch DVDs
20:05:35 <h01ger> that has been cleared on irc: i'll create additional single arch dvds, then we evaluate them, then we'll see
20:05:42 <h01ger> next point i'd say ;)
20:06:00 <h01ger> #topic 2.1 squeeze status - current status / blockers
20:06:10 <h01ger> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Status/Squeeze
20:06:15 <pere> missing ldap admin is the big blocker.
20:06:42 * h01ger nods
20:06:45 <h01ger> "Iceweasel default page is not http://www/." is still the case?
20:06:57 <pere> yes
20:07:00 <h01ger> what other blockers we have?
20:07:01 <jever> yes
20:07:14 <sepski> and is that critical ? i'd assume most schools want their own homepage as default anyyway ?
20:07:29 * h01ger goes with sepski here
20:07:36 <pere> sep: it indicate that our mechanism to set the default is broken, which is critical.
20:07:37 * jever too
20:07:39 <and1bm> +1
20:08:18 <h01ger> re: ldap admin, we decided on gosa, whats left to do?
20:08:46 <jever> documentation for using gosa
20:08:47 <pere> is this mindless voting supposed to make sense even before the issues are explained, or what is going on here?
20:09:39 <highvoltage> I tested the last build, but something went wrong with the LTSP server installation part so I thought I'd try again later... but never got to it :-/
20:09:51 <h01ger> pere, no, i'm trying to understand what needs to be done
20:10:03 <h01ger> and i'm updating http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Status/Squeeze as we speak
20:10:08 <pere> I do not have the complete status with gosa, but it lacks support for editing netgroups, and is unable to configure our dhcp and dns servers.
20:10:50 * h01ger nods
20:10:57 * h01ger wants bugs for each and every issue. seperate bugs!
20:11:14 <h01ger> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Status/Squeeze updated
20:11:30 <h01ger> highvoltage, when was that?
20:12:07 <jever> until we are now able to start using and testing gosa widely, we should file bugs and document what we find out
20:12:30 <pere> I also believe we should set up three access levels in gosa, admin, jradmin and other/none using groups, to make sure it is visible from within linux who got extra privileges, and make sure not all teachers got extra privileges.
20:12:31 <h01ger> and1bm, what are the next steps you have planned about gosa?
20:12:44 <highvoltage> h01ger: I think this was about a week ago
20:13:11 <and1bm> the main issue with gosa is probably the decission if we switch to bind or if we wait for someone to make powerdns work.
20:13:17 <h01ger> highvoltage, hm. worth to try again now. ltsp server installation should work
20:13:20 <pere> highvoltage: you probably hit the time when I changed kernel arch and ltsp was broken.
20:13:39 <h01ger> and1bm, ah. right
20:13:40 <pere> and1bm: got netgroups working?
20:13:41 <highvoltage> pere: ah
20:14:11 <h01ger> pere, lets focus on one topic at a time..
20:14:26 <and1bm> pere: no. That's another issue, but perhaps not as important as dns and dhcp
20:14:31 <pere> getting the gosa dns plugin to work with powerdns in strict mode is a simple change, adding one extra attribute to the ldap objects, so I believe we should go that way.
20:14:50 <pere> and1bm: it is more important, as NFS exports depend on netgroups.
20:15:09 <h01ger> dns is god ;)
20:15:11 <and1bm> perhaps we can use kerberos tickets instead
20:15:41 <pere> and1bm: perhaps, but until it is proven to work, I do not believe it. :) we are working on something similar at the university, but no success yet.
20:15:50 <h01ger> pere, this one extra attribute to the ldap object, which package is that that needs modificatio?
20:16:35 <pere> h01ger: no idea.  I just looked at the ldap objects provided as pastes by and1bm .
20:16:36 * tatotat greets (and excuses on the later arrival)
20:17:13 <h01ger> tatotat, hi. full log is at http://meetbot.debian.net/debian-edu/2010/debian-edu.2010-01-11-19.01.log.html
20:17:45 <h01ger> info: getting gosa to work with powerdns seems possible with little work
20:18:04 <h01ger> info: for netgroup support in gosa, there is a patch from and1bm somewhere
20:18:07 <tatotat> h01ger: thanks
20:18:10 <h01ger> and1bm, where? :)
20:18:16 <pere> it is adding domainname: foo.intern or something like that.
20:18:53 <h01ger> tatotat, sorry, its actually http://meetbot.debian.net/debian-edu/2010/debian-edu.2010-11-08-19.58.log.txt - no html version yet :)
20:19:34 <tatotat> h01ger: ok :)
20:20:23 <and1bm> http://lists.debian.org/debian-edu/2010/04/msg00124.html
20:20:25 <h01ger> "Fix as many FIXMEs in the [[DebianEdu/Documentation/Squeeze|Manual]] as possible" is also important
20:20:28 <h01ger> and1bm, thanks
20:21:24 <h01ger> more blockers or should we move on?
20:21:30 <h01ger> anything else about status to be said?
20:21:36 <pere> #link http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.ldap.gosa/506
20:22:04 <and1bm> I do not have the time to work on the pdns issue (and I am not sure if it's that easy).
20:22:45 <pere> #info associatedDomain is the ldap attribute needed.
20:23:07 <h01ger> thanks pere. have collected the info and will file a bug after the meeting
20:23:10 <h01ger> more blockers or should we move on?
20:23:31 <pere> there are probably more blockers, but my brain is mush. :)
20:24:14 <sepski> i could try to work on converting pdns to strict. but it depends a lot of how busy it is at work.
20:24:25 <pere> pdns is already strict.
20:24:36 * h01ger cheers sepski
20:24:48 <pere> I did it this summer, and announced it on debian-edu@.
20:24:55 <h01ger> please continue to file bugs if you meet them!
20:25:00 <h01ger> #topic 2.2. squeeze status - new name for the thin-client-server profile (#588510)
20:25:22 * h01ger assumes everybody has read the thread
20:25:22 <sepski> i read your mail where you  explained the differences. what whas the problem then ?
20:25:23 <pere> changing it now will invalidate the translations.
20:25:50 <h01ger> not changing it now will curse life during squeezes lifetime
20:25:52 <pere> all profile questions will need work from the translations, which normally take a very log time.
20:26:08 * h01ger is willing to chase translators
20:26:23 <pere> I feel no curse from the current name, and believe the issue isn't very important.
20:26:26 * h01ger wonders what other people think, should we do this change now?
20:27:30 <pere> we have 18 complete translations now.
20:28:05 <and1bm> When we want to do it, better now. There will never be a 'good time'.
20:29:02 <and1bm> Perhaps we can just keep the old translation.
20:29:19 <pere> of course it will be a good time.  just after a release is a good time.  just before a release is a bad time.
20:29:37 <sepski> and1bm, if people are going to see the old strings what's the purpose of the name change ?
20:29:56 <and1bm> Next time it will be the better name :)
20:30:27 <jever> is there really much change in the translations?
20:30:49 <sepski> i belive that if we have lived with the old name so many releases we can manage once more. and change the name right after. it would also not add unnessecary burden on translators that are allready working hard for squeeze
20:30:52 <pere> jever: the profile question will be invalidated.
20:31:07 <h01ger> if we'd change the name and the translation would become fuzzy, it would still display the old translation? or the new english?
20:31:22 <pere> h01ger: the english one.
20:32:47 <jever> 'terminal server' is a term which mostly is in any language same, isn't it?
20:33:12 <h01ger> jever, at least _i_ wouldnt know how to translate that. bildschirmarbeitsplatz-server
20:33:14 <and1bm> We talked about changing that 10 months ago already?
20:33:27 <h01ger> and1bm, yeah, but had no proper name back then..
20:33:30 * h01ger believes we have ow
20:33:31 <h01ger> now
20:34:12 <h01ger> anyway, if we dont change the name now, i would at least start to mention it in the documentation... so we can start speaking (about) the right name at least
20:34:21 <pere> anyway, who put this topic on the agenda?  are we to discuss if we are going to do it, or what name to use if we some time decide to do it?
20:34:36 <pere> (or both?)
20:34:56 <h01ger> pere, its pointless to discuss the color if we are not sure if we'll paint
20:34:59 <sepski> i think we should wait.
20:35:16 <sepski> since that name is used in many different places it can affect the installation in qurious ways
20:35:24 * h01ger thinks he has been convinced to wait
20:35:58 <pere> if we are going to switch, the name should be ready when we start on the squeeze+1 development, to be able to do the switch then.
20:36:07 <h01ger> yeah
20:36:16 <jever> one wait the half life long, ... live's too short to wait ;-)
20:36:23 <h01ger> pere, IMO its not a question "if" we switch...
20:36:43 <pere> h01ger: I know.  but to me it is, as I am happy with the current name, and do not see it as a curse. :)
20:36:58 <h01ger> #info lets change the profile name at the beginning of the wheezy circle
20:37:07 <jever> what is the result of #588510: rename thin-client-server profile
20:37:16 <h01ger> pere, i rather dont want to think about the implications... ;)
20:37:21 <h01ger> jever, none yet
20:37:37 <h01ger> #topic 2.4 alpha2 timeline
20:37:45 <h01ger> we only have 23min left...
20:38:36 <pere> I believe we should try to get alpha2 out in a month, after the development gathering.
20:38:49 * h01ger sets two reminders for 20110201 for himself: #588510 and #311188
20:38:58 <pere> I would love to get more gosa stuff working for this, but do not believe we should wait for it.
20:39:03 * h01ger nods
20:39:10 <h01ger> how about: on sunday at the gathering?
20:39:30 <h01ger> spend saturday with squeezing (tested) stuff in
20:39:36 <h01ger> and final tests on sunday?
20:39:59 <pere> I believe it is better to do it the week after, as people tend to get up to speed on developing during a gathering, and continue after the gathering.
20:40:13 <pere> that way we get as much of the updates as possible into alpha2.
20:40:28 <h01ger> fine with me
20:40:31 <h01ger> just not much later
20:40:36 <sepski> i think that's a good idea
20:40:37 <h01ger> then its xmas and such
20:40:38 <and1bm> yeah, good point
20:41:47 <h01ger> #agreed alpha2 target should be the week after the gathering in oslo
20:42:14 <h01ger> pere, what was the focus of it supposed to be, according to your plan?
20:42:27 * h01ger thinks it'd be good to repeat the plan here :)
20:42:30 <pere> h01ger: the main server and lda p admin.
20:42:53 <pere> it is our week point, so it is time to address it.
20:42:56 <h01ger> #info alpha2 focus: main server and ldap admin
20:43:00 <h01ger> yup
20:43:24 <h01ger> #topic 3. gathering in oslo, 3-5 dec 2010
20:43:56 <h01ger> http://friprogramvareiskolen.no/Gathering/2010-12-03-05-Oslo
20:43:59 * pere hope to be there. :)
20:44:10 * h01ger too
20:44:23 * jever also
20:44:40 <h01ger> and1bm? sep? k4x?
20:44:54 <k4x> sorry not possible
20:45:09 * h01ger wishes tatotat could join too ;)
20:45:28 <h01ger> there is also an edu meeting in versailes at the same date
20:45:32 <sepski> still uncertain, but i am trying to
20:45:33 <h01ger> ping me if you are interested
20:45:49 <sepski> depends some on work. some on babysitter, and most on SO
20:46:08 * and1bm has no direct flight, so it will be traveling ages and being late and having to leave eary ... don't know if it makes sense.
20:46:45 <h01ger> and1bm, if you can work on planes+airports... ;)
20:47:04 <h01ger> #topic 4. gathering in germany, february 2011
20:47:09 * and1bm has to work friday morning probably in school :(
20:47:14 <h01ger> :)
20:47:23 <h01ger> k4x, your topic
20:47:34 <k4x> RLP Project will end in February 2011
20:47:47 <k4x> We will have a last international meeting
20:47:53 <h01ger> there is also fosdem in february and an debian-qa meeting planned in paris in either february or march
20:48:04 <h01ger> neat
20:48:05 <k4x> 10.2. to 13.2.2011
20:48:30 <k4x> so please put a note in your calender
20:48:34 <h01ger> where?
20:48:43 <k4x> in Zweibruecken
20:49:12 <k4x> Plan is to give back to the community the results ;-)
20:49:23 <pere> k4x: how is it planned to give it back?
20:49:27 <h01ger> #info edu meeting in zweibrücken, 2011, feb 10-13
20:49:48 <k4x> good question ;-)
20:50:39 <k4x> I will put more info in wiki.debian.org in english ;-)
20:50:44 <pere> better have a good answer to make such plan come to life. :)
20:50:50 <h01ger> k4x, please also send another invitation via mail
20:50:57 <h01ger> k4x, +cool, thanks
20:51:00 <k4x> h01ger: yes
20:51:11 <k4x> hope to meet you all there
20:51:23 <h01ger> though without an answer to peres question, its just talk ;)
20:51:36 <h01ger> (but nice talk at least)
20:51:37 <h01ger> #topic 5. other business?
20:52:15 <h01ger> #topic 6. next irc meeting
20:52:21 <h01ger> before or after oslo?
20:52:25 <sepski> this dictionary question that shows up in the install , is still present
20:52:44 <h01ger> sepski, in which languages? german and?
20:52:59 <pere> sepski: did not see it when installing norwegian bokmål.
20:53:02 <jever> only on dvd install iirc
20:53:12 <sepski> i usualy select english ->norway->norwegian
20:53:15 <pere> suspect it is language dependent, because some package is missing on the dvd.
20:53:21 <h01ger> anyway, thats "#2. status squeeze", not "#5. next meeting"
20:53:22 <sepski> jever, i have seen it on netinstall
20:53:32 <sepski> got 1 choise and that was finnish iirc
20:53:33 <h01ger> please lets stick to this topic and come back to tech in 5min :)
20:53:36 * jever didn't
20:53:49 <sepski> perhaps i am mistaken
20:54:12 <h01ger> next irc meeting, before or after oslo?
20:54:23 <jever> after
20:54:26 <h01ger> is monday 21oo cet a good date+time?
20:54:59 <sepski> for me it is
20:55:06 <and1bm> me too
20:55:07 <jever> yes
20:55:30 <h01ger> monday the 13th then?
20:56:12 <sepski> yes
20:56:21 <jever> oki
20:56:50 <and1bm> or just after oslo, to discuss remaining stuff for the alpha?
20:57:30 <jever> maybe one needs to settle down first
20:57:32 <and1bm> but monday is probably to early after the weekend
20:57:35 * h01ger is not sure monday directly after will work, for me personally and also in general
20:57:58 <h01ger> and1bm, and i think we can discuss durig the meeting anyway
20:58:07 <sepski> i think it's good to have it soon after.  to keep momentum, and to get alpha2 out
20:58:18 <and1bm> yeah, I agree.
20:58:22 <h01ger> so lets make it monday, 13th, 2100 CET (20 UTC), this channel
20:58:27 <sepski> soon as in 1 weekish
20:58:38 <pere> noted. :)
20:58:45 <jever> ack
20:58:48 <h01ger> (another option would be^whave been november 29th)
20:58:55 <h01ger> #agreed so lets make it monday, 13th, 2100 CET (20 UTC), this channel
20:59:17 <h01ger> thank you all for attending & keeping the meeting productive and in time!
20:59:24 <h01ger> cheers!
20:59:30 <h01ger> #endmeeting