19:02:07 #startmeeting 19:02:34 please introduce yourself with /me = Your Name 19:02:39 * sepski = RonnyAasen 19:02:40 * vagrantc = Vagrant Cascadian 19:03:12 http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting 19:03:16 first agenda item: 19:03:25 #topic Who moderates the meeting and who writes the summary? 19:03:37 looks like i'm moderating... 19:04:04 summary writer, anyone? 19:05:15 if it's just me and you i guess it's me ? 19:05:24 heh. suppose so. 19:05:34 i might be able to cutandpaste meetbot log into a mail. 19:05:35 #action sepski will write the summary 19:06:00 great. 19:06:07 #topic Lenny Status: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Status/Lenny 19:07:03 have anyone installed it recently ? 19:07:24 haven't since ... late may 19:07:53 tried the other day, and the NETINST image was broken for i386, due to trying to fix that issue with cdebconf, i think? 19:07:53 * danielsan = Daniel Hess 19:08:00 * pere = Petter Reinholdtsen 19:08:23 vagrantc, yes indeed 19:08:24 bug #1315 19:08:30 i had hopes someone had tested it by now. 19:08:43 * vagrantc needs to get some amd64 hardware... 19:09:05 i am trying it now in qemu emualting amd64 but i am not even sure if it's a valid test case 19:10:19 * danielsan may have time on sunday, ... 19:10:22 i've seen some svn commits regarding ssl certificates ... #1328 ... anyone have a chance to confirm if it's working? 19:11:55 * danielsan rsyncs now for a i386 test :) 19:13:35 * pere have not had time to test for a long time. :/ 19:14:08 so a couple issues may just need confirmation: samba schema in debian-edu-config, iceweasel connecting to https://www/, 19:14:19 danielsan, lenny-test netinstall is amd64 only fyi 19:14:59 -dvd is testable on i386 19:15:10 sepski: thanks, have downloaded the wrong image anyway 19:15:10 when netinst is working for i386 again, i could try to get LTSP installing when installing over PXE 19:15:44 i also see: http://bugs.skolelinux.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1351 19:15:55 * klausade is observing. 19:16:24 1351 has something to do with LWAT upgrades ... can anyone speak to that? 19:17:26 seems it needs some testers as well.. 19:18:14 samba and lwat upgradepaths is something we have been poor at 19:18:42 sepski: did you test the ldap update script? 19:18:47 have not had time. 19:18:53 it's on my todolist tho 19:19:11 i have a gyuess at what's wrong with 1354: 19:19:13 Installation of ltspserver-profile stops. 19:20:01 i think i need to re-add a debian-edu-thin-client task which ensures that the linux-image-486 kernel is available on the DVD 19:20:38 1355 19:20:39 LTSP logins fail: "workstation isn't authorized" 19:20:44 not working is a mystery to me ... 19:20:45 vagrantc, or we can just hint it in the build system 19:22:07 sepski: i'm not sure which is better... 19:22:33 hinting might work. we already have some ltsp related packages there. 19:26:16 vagrantc, well you can test the nest build. 19:26:27 debian-edu: 3 sep-guest committed revision 58429 to debian-edu: * hint 486 kernel for ltsp chroot 19:26:28 s/nest/next/ 19:26:28 if someone wants to add hints to ensure that education-thin-client and linux-image-486 make it onto the DVD, that would hopefully resolve the issue. 19:26:41 done. 19:26:57 education-thin-client is missing as well ?? 19:27:28 if you could double-check, that would be good. 19:27:52 it's in the wanted list and in the pkgdeblist so i belive it's there. 19:27:58 ah, good. 19:29:13 hum ... but so is linux-image-2.6-486_2.6.26+17+lenny1_i386.deb 19:29:26 well this needs more looking into. so not during the meeting 19:30:07 hinting the unversioned package is more certain to work 19:30:26 sepski: could you perhaps send a mail to the list when you need testers? 19:30:55 so, a number of "Issues which we need to fix for a release" and "Issues which we would like to fix for a release" still need testing. 19:31:29 there's also a more complete list of bugs available at: http://tinyurl.com/edulenny-releaseview 19:31:32 what exactly was the problem with #1315 19:31:58 #link http://tinyurl.com/edulenny-releaseview 19:32:41 sepski: if you install in debian-edu-expert mode, you can't see the text of the profiles because it doesn't fix on the screen. 19:33:14 5.0.2 scrolls the profiles list so you can still not see it all, but you can access them all 19:33:49 looks like fixed to me. (if 5.0.2 is accepted as the d-i for the next point release that is) 19:34:58 sounds promising. :) 19:35:43 would we like to try and review some more bugs, get commitments from people to check up on some, or move on to the next agenda items? 19:36:52 i am still commited to testing the samba issue, but i can not say when.... 19:37:05 * danielsan has time problems currently too 19:37:26 but I will have more time after 10th of july 19:37:49 does anyone else want to checkout 5.0.2 or should i revert the D-I of lenny-test to allow more people to test it ? 19:38:01 * vagrantc would like to be able to test again... 19:38:09 also we should bring lenny up in sync with lenny-test and try and make a rc release so we can get more testers 19:38:40 that would be cool 19:39:01 what is missing for having a lenny again, only the installer? 19:40:13 debian-edu: 3 sep-guest committed revision 58430 to debian-edu: * revert to DI in lenny. #1315 should be fixed if 5.0.2 is choosen for the next debian pointrelease 19:40:29 synking the packages from lenny-test i belive. http://ftp.skolelinux.org/skolelinux/lenny_needs_love.html 19:41:23 i don't really see any reason not to sync them... i think debian-edu, debian-edu-artwork, debian-edu-config and debian-edu-install are all in better shape that the previous versions 19:41:45 yeah, I agree. 19:41:56 me too 19:42:29 and the few in lenny-test that are not in lenny probably as well. 19:43:35 #agreed try to get the ftpmasters to sync up lenny-test with lenny repositories 19:43:46 #agreed sync lenny to lenny-test since lenny is not activly tested and lenny-test is in bette shape 19:43:48 #BAH! 19:43:57 :) 19:44:01 :) 19:44:12 #topic debconf9 plans 19:44:34 so i just wanted to briefly ask who was planning on comping to debconf9, and were they going to be at debcamp? 19:44:44 what infrastructure would we need to hack on debian-edu? 19:44:48 wish i was, but i am not 19:45:39 i will not attent debcamp/debconf too 19:45:39 vagrantc: remind us when and were that is? 19:45:50 and i dare say, looks like we'll still be working on our lenny release... 19:46:13 * pere leave for debconf on the 23th. 19:46:28 http://debconf9.debconf.org/dates.xhtml 19:46:46 #link http://debconf9.debconf.org/dates.xhtml 19:47:05 july 16th is debcamp, july 24th is debconf, ends on the 31st. 19:47:24 i'll be getting there on the 16th. 19:47:37 and the location is caceres, spain. 19:48:33 i'll be there for the whole thing, and around spain for a bit afterwards, too. 19:49:04 #link http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.5&lon=-6.4&zoom=5&layers=B000FTF 19:49:38 any more on debconf9 ? 19:50:10 will there be edu meetings hackdays or other edu ralted events ? 19:50:23 anyone giving a debian-edu talk during debconf/debcamp? 19:50:43 * pere do not expect to have time to prepare any talks this year. 19:51:20 sepski: debcamp (the first week) is pretty much an open hacking session. 19:52:36 well, we've got 8 minutes left... 19:52:42 #topic other business? 19:52:56 any other issues to talk about before we move on to setting next meeting? 19:53:08 i have nothing to add, except that lenny-test should be back in working order for i386 shortly. please continue testing. 19:53:39 how important is working java browser plugin? 19:54:12 we could backport icetea/openjdk to get a free plugin, if we believe it is imporant. it is available in unstabe. 19:54:17 it seems flash has largely taken the troublesome web application of choice away from java 19:55:04 pere, would it work on all sites ? 19:55:13 pere: does only backporting the plugin thing work, or do we need a complete openjdk backport? 19:55:30 vagrantc: we need java for a very widly used educational thing: geogebra.org 19:55:37 if someone had the time and energy to support it, it's probably a good idea, but i'd be a little concerned about it holding up a lenny release 19:56:14 i'd think this was something for backports.org schools would pick the sun-java one anyway and we should not spend time on it 19:57:12 danielsan: I believe we need a complete openjdk backport. 19:57:19 especialy not if it's not working perfectly on all testcases, better to document how to get it then to provide, and list as a feature something that does not work everywhere 19:57:37 * pere have not tested it, and do not know how well it work. 19:58:28 there will allways be a new app in unstable that we should backport. but we'd never get lenny out that way.. 19:59:01 sepski: not many are very important to the user experience. java and flash are special in that regard. 19:59:27 indeed. but they are also special in that immense testing work is needed to verify they work properly... 19:59:52 anyway, just wanted to mention it to make sure we had considered it. 19:59:58 indeed. 20:00:07 alright, with 1 minute left... 20:00:12 #topic next meeting 20:00:13 indeed. i just feel we lack resources atm 20:00:22 sepski: yeah. 20:00:52 btw. is gnash installed with lenny debian-edu now? 20:00:59 so, looking at the last poll, it seemed like mondays and wednesdays tended to get a few more people who could attend... 20:01:14 klausade: believe we dropped it, still not working with enough sites. 20:01:19 does someone want to commit to doing another poll for the next meeting and setting a time based on the results? 20:01:53 * pere do not need a new poll. 20:02:40 pere: up for calling the next meeting, then? 20:02:46 * sepski nither. most days after kids are in bed is ok. (iow 19 utc) 20:03:09 same with me. 20:03:32 sun, mon, wed, thur 17-19 UTC tends to work with me 20:03:47 oops, s,thur,fri, 20:03:59 sun, mon, wed, fri 17-19 UTC tends to work with me 20:04:22 wed works best for me 20:04:25 lets continue with wednesday 19 utc but in 2 or 3 or 4 weeks ? 20:04:52 I'm busy in 3 weeks. 20:04:59 but if it is not monday or tuesday it may be ok to 20:05:08 4 weeks, and i'll be on my way to debconf 20:05:20 * danielsan would be ok with 3 weeks 20:05:25 will we have had time to get anything done so there is a point to have one in 2 weeks ? 20:05:26 so, i'd prefer 2 or 3 weeks. 20:05:31 did anyone investigate these: se of uninitialized value in hash element at ./get_diskusage.pl line 93, line 23068. 20:05:43 2 weeks? 20:06:00 not yet, is on my todo 20:06:07 perhaps have a new one shortly to see if we can spin some action into the project again ? 20:06:14 july 1st, 19:00 UTC ?? 20:06:31 yes 20:06:34 sepski: yeah, i can commit to testing 2-3 days a week in the next two weeks again. 20:07:44 * jever = Jürgen Leibner 20:08:00 * pere added july 1th to his calendar. 20:08:01 without further objection... 20:08:15 * danielsan too 20:08:20 #agreed next meeting: wednesday, july 1st, 19:00 UTC 20:08:33 thanks everyone! 20:08:38 #endmeeting