16:59:10 #startmeeting 16:59:10 Meeting started Wed Sep 25 16:59:10 2013 UTC. The chair is lucas. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:59:10 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 16:59:14 hi everybody! 16:59:25 hi 16:59:25 agenda is at http://titanpad.com/debiandpl-20130925 16:59:30 #topic roll call 16:59:32 who is around? 16:59:35 here 16:59:36 me 16:59:43 MeetBot: pingall meeting! 16:59:43 meeting! 16:59:43 algernon anoe bdrung bgupta buxy chattr Diziet Ganneff gnugr gregoa Hoaxter_ hug joehh KGB-0 KGB-1 KGB-2 laarmen lindi- lucas marga MeetBot moray nhandler pabs paultag rafw RichiH taffit taffit_sud zack 16:59:43 meeting! 16:59:50 Yo! 17:00:09 zack said he would likely be a bit late 17:00:10 * zack has just arrived 17:00:11 ah 17:00:17 just in time :) 17:00:22 * pabs waves in the background 17:00:31 #topic next meeting 17:00:39 $ date -ud @1381338000 17:00:39 Wed Oct  9 17:00:00 UTC 2013 17:00:46 (that's 2 weeks from now) 17:00:51 wfm 17:01:06 ok for me. 17:01:29 1 17:01:29 2 17:01:30 3 17:01:32 ok 17:01:45 #info next meeting: date -ud @1381338000 17:01:56 #topic * Current DPL TO-DO list 17:02:13 btw, did anyone look into fixing the .ics? 17:02:14 please look at http://people.debian.org/~lucas/todo.txt 17:02:29 zack: not afaik 17:03:02 zack: I must admit that I don't care, as an additional ICS for a single meeting every two weeks is quite useful in my setup 17:03:48 lucas: no worries, I can live with out :) (or roll up my sleeves and look into it) 17:04:11 ok 17:04:45 regarding the TODO list, do you have questions? comments? stuff you'd like to work on yourself? all of those are up for grab, except the ones with someone already listed 17:05:27 lucas: about binary-throw-away uploads, my memory is that there was -devel consensus on it 17:05:32 I can look up the thread, if you want 17:05:51 for the record (told lucas already): i didn't tackle any of my three todos due to real life. this is a major meh on my side and i hope to have all three tackled by the time for the next meeting 17:05:53 zack: it would be great to see if the next action items are identified 17:05:54 it seems to be one of the topic in wait of "ftpmaster should implement it" 17:05:59 well 17:06:04 I seem to recall a bit more than that 17:06:10 paultag: please, go ahead :) 17:06:13 but yeah, there was consensus 17:06:22 but I remember issues with uploads when you just simply throw everything away 17:06:39 one big issues was where to build arch:all (since all may ftbfs on non-FOO arch, but work on all platforms) 17:06:48 there was another too. I can't exactly remember. 17:06:52 paultag: right, there was some exceptions to be dealt with, but IIRC it was entirely possible to deal with them (pretty much as we now treat "source only upload" as exceptions) 17:06:55 but I think it was in a patches-welcome phase 17:06:58 yeah, totally. 17:07:55 a more easily hackable dak would be great 17:07:59 I agree 17:08:08 there used to be an outdated debian package for it 17:08:17 but I'm not sure if there are setup instructions nowadays 17:08:24 yeah, the README is pretty easy 17:08:34 I set one up in a few minutes with zero dak know-how a while back 17:08:41 ah, good to know 17:09:04 dak is python, right? 17:09:09 yessir. 17:09:22 It's got some parts that are very un-pep8, but it's mostly pretty ok python 17:09:25 slightly messy in the older parts 17:09:31 not that I know a lot about it 17:09:58 zack/paultag: it would be great if one of you could find the relevant thread(s) and write a quick summary of the open issues 17:10:22 lucas: I can do that, sure 17:10:23 I'm free to do this on Monday if no one beats me before that point 17:10:26 zack: ♥ 17:10:31 (Beer's on me next time :) ) 17:10:32 and will check with paultag if I missed anything ;) 17:10:37 ok, great 17:10:54 Regarding: - check that anti-harrassement is mentioned on Debian website. It doesn't look we have a that on the website. Shall I add it on the http://www.debian.org/contact webpage ? 17:11:32 rafw: it's at http://www.debian.org/intro/organization , but only since DebConf13, thanks to taffit 17:11:58 might deserve a mention in /contact too, dunno what's the policy/philosophy of that page 17:12:14 it might make sense to list it on the contact page too though 17:12:21 (without listing the individual members there) 17:12:57 ok, I will contact taffit about the contact page :) 17:13:10 #action zack/paultag [binary-throw-away uploads] find relevant thread(s), write quick summary 17:13:21 thanks 17:13:44 #action rafw to investigate whether anti-harrassement should be added to www.d.o/contact 17:14:15 lucas: it make sense to me to add it there. 17:14:19 I'm surprised nobody wants to write the DC13 final report for me :) 17:14:29 rafw: yeah, to me too 17:14:30 rafw: have a look at this one too http://www.debian.org/intro/diversity.en.html 17:14:41 it looks like there's some uniforming to do... 17:14:58 zack: thanks 17:15:07 like on many other parts of the website... :) 17:15:12 (it's also not clear to me where that page is linked from, not for /intro for instance) 17:16:59 ok, maybe it would make sense to discuss outstanding action items, since they are directly related to the todo list 17:17:16 #topic ** TODO rafw to look into the status of the Debian events team, and advise lucas on possible course of action 17:17:44 rafw: if I remember correctly, you decided to join the team? :) 17:17:58 (say no, say no! :)) 17:18:14 Yes, that was my idea... but i am not sure anymore. 17:18:18 Well 17:18:45 There is Arne in the team and Geepert who is new. 17:19:21 Arne told me he doesn't need help but would be nice to have someone from America in the team. 17:19:41 maybe you could send a mail to dpl-helpers@ to give a status update on active members of the team 17:20:00 ok, will do 17:20:32 rafw: I would be willing to help… since I am involved in local NYC events. 17:20:53 (ties in with what I am doing already) 17:20:58 sure 17:21:09 you could contact Sylvestre Ledru as he ends up being involved in many events in france, too 17:21:24 yes, good idea. 17:21:33 I will wrote a summary to the list. 17:21:38 ok, thanks 17:21:50 welcome 17:21:56 #action rafw to summarize status of debian-events on dpl-helpers@ 17:22:07 #topic ** TODO bgupta to followup with auditor@ on 9/13 regarding proposed requirements for Debian TO 17:22:37 auditor@ is currently quite inactive, unfortunately 17:23:18 I sent first draft, and a followup ping with no reply. Lucas was cc'ed and followed up with his thoughts. 17:23:59 I'm thinking that if anyone else on dpl-helpers wants to review and/or join the discussion that would be helpful. 17:24:08 yes, good idea 17:24:35 maybe you could reply to my mail if you have comments, and Cc dpl-helpers@? 17:25:00 I don't see any reason to stay private with that anyway, other that give auditor@ a chance to comment before the "general public" 17:25:19 #action bgupta to follow up to TO email thread and cc dpl-helpers@ 17:25:50 #topic ** TODO bgupta to explore legal issues around accepting cryptocurrency donations 17:26:07 reaction please no progress 17:26:45 #action bgupta to explore legal issues around accepting cryptocurrency donations 17:27:16 #topic ** TODO RichiH to review email about debian.* and send it to SFLC 17:27:20 bgupta: on the same topic, we discussed briefly here PayPal donations 17:27:31 bgupta: in case you've to inquire with SPI anyhow, maybe you can join the two questions? 17:27:32 #topic paypal donations 17:28:27 sure. 17:28:37 (you both already know that, but paypal was already used for DC fundraising, using debian.ch) 17:28:43 however I don't believe the paypal issue is a legal issue. 17:28:46 imo, the issue of paypal donations hinges on how confident we are that we can PR paypal into releasing money if/when they decide to freeze assets for whatever reason 17:28:53 bgupta: right, I agree 17:29:16 lucas: yep, and that's a possibility too, although I'm not sure what currency those donations were stably stored as 17:29:32 not sure either. probably CHF 17:29:51 my thought exactly, so probably we don't want to store general donations long term in CHF 17:30:12 debian.ch site was USD donations. hug would know the final currency though. I will check. 17:30:22 great, thanks! 17:30:47 that reminds me that we should check about the final status of DC13 surplus 17:31:11 out of curiosity, do you have any vague idea about the amount? 17:31:20 #action bgupta confirm the final stored currency for debian.ch paypal account 17:31:45 at DebConf, I informally said that transferring that to debian.ch's 'Debian' account would be OK, and that we could use that to buy e.g. hardware later 17:31:56 but an email thread would be better for accountability 17:32:08 #action lucas check status of DC13 surplus 17:32:15 I've no idea about the amount 17:32:30 I seem to remember something around 10-20kCHF, but I'm really not sure anymore 17:32:47 * zack nods 17:33:01 #topic ** TODO RichiH to review email about debian.* and send it to SFLC 17:33:15 that's the only item from RichiH that is quite urgent, I think 17:33:36 that discussion about domain names have been going on and off for a long time now, it would be great to make progress 17:34:04 lucas: i will do that over the weekend 17:34:12 ok, thanks, that's fine 17:34:21 #action RichiH to review email about debian.* and send it to SFLC 17:34:26 I'll reaction the two other ones 17:34:33 #action RichiH to look into the status of the press team, and advise lucas on how to update the current delegation 17:34:42 #action RichiH to add Debian logins to http://www.debian.org/intro/organization.en.html 17:35:02 #topic New topics / other business / other items from the TODO list 17:36:40 anything? :) 17:37:01 well, nothing to suggest, but as an highlight: debbugs 17:37:13 I was wondering if anyone has bright ideas on how to help/resurrect the team 17:37:39 newbie sprint organization had been tried (and failed), maybe it's time to try again? 17:38:15 I could try to write call for helps for the few parts of Debian infra that need a lot of help 17:38:46 this is the team that maintains the bug tracker? 17:38:59 yep 17:39:18 and it's essentially a 1-person team, and has been so for very long time 17:39:27 that would be debbugs, dak (for binary-throw-away uploads and debian PPAs), d-i 17:39:32 I see there is a list of former members in addition to current member, perhaps reach out to the former members and see if they have ideas? 17:40:37 I would say almost all parts of Debian infra could use more people 17:40:38 some references to past attempt at organizing a get together https://lists.debian.org/debian-sprints/2011/09/msg00002.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-sprints/2012/02/msg00005.html 17:41:03 snapshot needs someone to migrate the code to django 17:41:14 pabs: sure, but that imho helps less than pinpointing each of them and highlighting what one can do 17:41:25 to help 17:41:27 true 17:41:58 also, I'm quite sure you will agree that snapshot is less important than debbugs, dak, or d-i 17:42:08 (even if I'm a heavy user of snapshot for many purposes) 17:42:11 for the pts we need people to help finish the transition to the new code by ensuring it has the same features as the old one 17:42:12 sure 17:43:26 #action lucas write call for helps to be included in next bits from DPL, for debbugs, dak, d-i 17:44:53 ok, if there's nothing else, we could stop there 17:44:54 I wonder if a blog post with clear point of entry wouldn't be better, but for that one would need some cooperation form the current service maintainers 17:44:55 lucas: Is there any progress on PPAMAIN/PPAEXT? 17:45:05 bgupta: not AFAIK 17:45:10 paultag: ? 17:45:36 none that I know of 17:45:46 there needs to be work with the buildd maintainers on making sure it's all wired properly 17:45:53 it's ftpteam blocked 17:45:58 zack: yeah, I was planning to do a long version of the call for help, with skills needed, point of entry, etc. 17:47:40 ok, generally, please don't hesitate to talk to me about TODO items you'd like to pick up. As I said, they are all up for grabs 17:47:59 currently the "private" part of the TODO list is empty, as well as my DPL mailbox 17:48:27 #endmeeting