16:59:56 #startmeeting 16:59:56 Meeting started Tue Apr 9 16:59:56 2013 UTC. The chair is zack. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:59:56 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:10 hi everyone, agenda for today's meeting is at http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=dpl/dpl-helpers.git;a=blob_plain;f=meetings/agenda.txt 17:00:19 #topic rollcall 17:00:24 who's around? 17:00:41 03nhandler 05master 41cc764 06dpl-helpers 10meetings/agenda.txt * Add epoch timestamp for next meeting * 14http://deb.li/GWjs 17:00:46 o/ 17:00:51 we've quite a bit of regrets: moray, Maulkin, algernon, bgupta 17:00:54 o/ * 0.5 17:01:01 oh, half Maulkin 17:01:23 * bgupta turns out I am around.. waiting on some parts that didn't come 17:01:36 bgupta: good, as in the end there's an item for you in the agenda :) 17:01:37 in answer to question earlier 17:01:46 anyway, it will probably be a short meeting 17:01:55 * gnugr just watching 17:01:56 I've mostly spent time wrapping up outstanding issues 17:02:03 We already raised USD 971.91 (matching) 17:02:20 bgupta: oh, nice, out of 5k, right? 17:02:22 slowed down.. didn't get much traction from my local mailing.. 17:02:25 yeah 17:02:36 might be useful to do some more communication 17:02:39 * lucas is here 17:02:42 anyway, back to the agenda 17:02:55 lucas: heya, welcome! 17:03:02 first pending point is yours :), I guess re-action? 17:03:05 yes 17:03:06 or stash it away 17:03:25 ok, let me do that 17:03:30 #action lucas to wrap-up the salvaging/orphaning thread and submit dev-ref patch 17:03:42 moray: is not around for the next one, unfortunately 17:03:58 but I've noticed that the invited speaker topic has been raised on debconf-team http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.conference.team/9616 17:04:13 understandably so, given they've allocated a budget for the speakers 17:04:34 #action moray to check with debconf team how/if to deal with debconf invited talks 17:04:46 hopefully moray will get back to us and, better, -team, when he reads this 17:04:57 Diziet: around for the next one? any progress? 17:05:34 (oh, I jumped the next meeting point in the agenda, will pick it up after the action items are over) 17:06:07 I guess Diziet is not around, so... 17:06:08 #action Diziet make progress on inbound trademark policy 17:06:18 next one is mine, and bgupta's 17:06:31 bgupta: did you look any further in the exchange with Mishi about trademarks? 17:07:07 bgupta: I think what we need now is to update the approval template as suggested 17:07:12 I read her response and your response… it made sense.. I think my action item is to add note about please read this link and acknowledge 17:07:34 I'll take that as a todo. 17:07:36 yes, should equate to "patch the template", right? 17:07:41 yep 17:07:48 ok, please add an appropriate #action 17:08:06 #action bgupta to patch template as per mishi's feedback 17:08:23 great, thanks! 17:08:26 paultag: around for next one? 17:08:44 "paultag to whine at www-/-desktop folks for opw" 17:09:06 around! 17:09:42 still want to do that? we still have some time for extra OPW topics 17:09:43 I did briefly, but no ACK and I think the OPW folks are on that 17:09:48 zack: Yeah, I'll keep at it 17:09:51 ok, cool 17:09:57 no need to reenable it then 17:10:11 on the same vein, I've done the next one, discussing with MadameZou 17:10:23 she called for help on -publicity as she doesn't want to be the sole mentor 17:10:25 https://lists.debian.org/debian-publicity/2013/03/msg00019.html 17:10:32 noone picked it up, unfortunately 17:10:55 but we did try! :) 17:11:12 nhandler: I've been lagging on the next one (bits.d.o delegation) unfortunately 17:11:18 * algernon wonders wtf he put his -publicity folder, and goes to reply. 17:11:27 I've cleared up about 1 pending DPL item per day, but didn't get to that one 17:11:40 zack: No problem. Objections to me creating a document and tossing a few ideas in it? 17:11:52 nhandler: exactly what I was going to ask ;) 17:12:02 nhandler: please do, and take an #action, and ping me when you've something 17:12:08 it'll be useful either for me or for the next DPL 17:12:12 algernon: neat, thanks 17:12:30 #action nhandler to start draft of blog delegation and share for collab 17:13:05 tnx 17:13:18 bgupta: next one is yours, it's about debian-sponsors-discuss 17:13:27 I think it did happen, right? 17:13:36 I did.. 17:13:42 prolly need to poke again.. 17:13:51 yeah, and I did reply, w/o much success indeed 17:13:54 oh wait 17:14:15 moray: pointed me to a wiki.. I have some stuff I can do.. 17:14:42 #action bgupta to flesh out debian-sponsors wiki, and ping list again to share. 17:15:03 ah, right, the wiki page created by moray 17:15:08 good 17:15:22 paultag: still up to the .ics notification thingie? 17:15:31 thanks for the reminder.. 17:15:39 bgupta: meetings are useful after all ;) 17:15:48 zack: yep, shouldn't be an issue, can find time for it tonight 17:16:00 great, please re-action 17:16:13 #action paultag do ics automailer 17:16:29 I've done the last one ... 30 minutes ago :) 17:16:47 so now the mentors.d.o people and DSA have all the legal documents needed not to worry about DMCA 17:17:12 there might be *other* blockers not to migrate mentors to DSA administered infrastructure (I don't know any, but still..), but not tha one 17:17:33 unfortunately, the document is mentors.d.o specific, so will need other legal gymanstic if we need similar arrangements for other services 17:18:01 can we move (back) to next meeting scheduling? 17:18:13 Sure 17:18:32 so, 2 weeks from now make April 23th, 17 UTC 17:18:43 which I think it's a sane default 17:18:50 yes 17:18:59 I've just marked it as tentative, as it should probably be ack'd by next PL 17:19:00 DPL 17:19:03 Yep. I think it is best to have a meeting scheduled and change it if necessary 17:19:04 who will be known by then 17:19:09 good 17:19:27 #agreed next meeting April 23th, 17 UTC (tentative, waiting for ack from next DPL) 17:19:49 as you could see from the agenda, I don't have much extra stuff this time 17:20:05 mainly mentioning that after discussions we're up and running with OPW 17:20:10 and I'm quite happy with that 17:20:19 thanks to lucas, algernon, moray for their quick feedback on the matter 17:20:31 for this time I think gsoc money is good enough, we can re-think the fundraising part for the future 17:20:38 _especially_ if that helps having more interns 17:21:05 re money, I have a question for you (when we are done with opw) 17:21:08 my take on the money issue is at https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2013/04/msg00017.html 17:21:17 one last point on that 17:21:34 we still need, but quickly, extra topics to complement the gsoc idea list 17:21:44 so if you've nothing to do in the next 1-2 days, propose something ;) 17:22:03 lucas: for me it's all, go ahead with other matters 17:22:29 as a DPL, what's your vision of debian's finances? 17:23:02 technically, I've access to FFIS web interface to our various earmarks there 17:23:07 you consulted me (as a possible DPL) on some matters, but I find it very hard to decide on this without having a good overview of how much we can spend, how much we spent in the past, etc. 17:23:20 everyone has then access to SPI statements 17:23:33 lucas: *that* is a problem I've been working on with the auditors for 3 years (!) 17:23:43 short answer is that they have checked in ledger all transactions except SPI ones 17:23:54 because in 3 years we didn't manage to get proper access to them 17:24:12 so, you don't have something like a "debian annual budget" 17:24:26 lucas: that was the plan.... 17:24:37 in fact, we wanted to have it quartely 17:24:37 ok :) 17:24:47 lucas: blocker has always been access to SPI data 17:24:59 they improved various things quite a bit 17:25:09 does it make sense, given there are quite a lot of things happen yearly? 17:25:12 e.g. debconf 17:25:20 and I hope all the complaining of the past 3 years will turn into some useful result for the next DPL :) 17:25:27 lucas: maybe not 17:25:42 what is useful, is the difference between committed money and available ones 17:25:51 (i.e. accrual- vs cash-based accounting if you're into that) 17:26:00 and that's useful also on very short periods 17:26:26 you mean pending incomes/outcomes? 17:26:45 yep 17:26:56 ok 17:27:00 yes, indeed. 17:27:04 which in debian are a bit more complex than usual, because you might have allocated a budget for reimbursements 17:27:10 and people in the end won't ask for it, or ask less 17:27:23 (that's why we set a deadline of 12 months for reimbursement a while ago) 17:27:38 anyway, I'll be happy to hand-hold the next DPL into the status quo of that part 17:27:39 I see 17:28:07 and tbm has been incredibly useful, even though he has resisted all my attempts to credit more publicly is work :) 17:28:16 heh :) 17:28:19 s/is/his/ 17:28:42 anything else? 17:28:49 not from me. thanks. :) 17:29:06 anyone else? or can we stop here? 17:30:03 and here goes my last IRC meeting as DPL... :) 17:30:28 #endmeeting