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17:00:10 <zack> hi everyone, agenda for today's meeting is at http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=dpl/dpl-helpers.git;a=blob_plain;f=meetings/agenda.txt
17:00:19 <zack> #topic rollcall
17:00:24 <zack> who's around?
17:00:41 <KGB-2> 03nhandler 05master 41cc764 06dpl-helpers 10meetings/agenda.txt * Add epoch timestamp for next meeting * 14http://deb.li/GWjs
17:00:46 <nhandler> o/
17:00:51 <zack> we've quite a bit of regrets: moray, Maulkin, algernon, bgupta
17:00:54 <Maulkin> o/ * 0.5
17:01:01 <zack> oh, half Maulkin
17:01:23 * bgupta turns out I am around.. waiting on some parts that didn't come
17:01:36 <zack> bgupta: good, as in the end there's an item for you in the agenda :)
17:01:37 <bgupta> in answer to question earlier
17:01:46 <zack> anyway, it will probably be a short meeting
17:01:55 * gnugr just watching
17:01:56 <zack> I've mostly spent time wrapping up outstanding issues
17:02:03 <bgupta> We already raised USD 971.91 (matching)
17:02:20 <zack> bgupta: oh, nice, out of 5k, right?
17:02:22 <bgupta> slowed down.. didn't get much traction from my local mailing..
17:02:25 <bgupta> yeah
17:02:36 <zack> might be useful to do some more communication
17:02:39 * lucas is here
17:02:42 <zack> anyway, back to the agenda
17:02:55 <zack> lucas: heya, welcome!
17:03:02 <zack> first pending point is yours :), I guess re-action?
17:03:05 <lucas> yes
17:03:06 <zack> or stash it away
17:03:25 <zack> ok, let me do that
17:03:30 <zack> #action lucas to wrap-up the salvaging/orphaning thread and submit dev-ref patch
17:03:42 <zack> moray:  is not around for the next one, unfortunately
17:03:58 <zack> but I've noticed that the invited speaker topic has been raised on debconf-team http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.conference.team/9616
17:04:13 <zack> understandably so, given they've allocated a budget for the speakers
17:04:34 <zack> #action moray to check with debconf team how/if to deal with debconf invited talks
17:04:46 <zack> hopefully moray will get back to us and, better, -team, when he reads this
17:04:57 <zack> Diziet: around for the next one? any progress?
17:05:34 <zack> (oh, I jumped the next meeting point in the agenda, will pick it up after the action items are over)
17:06:07 <zack> I guess Diziet is not around, so...
17:06:08 <zack> #action Diziet make progress on inbound trademark policy
17:06:18 <zack> next one is mine, and bgupta's
17:06:31 <zack> bgupta: did you look any further in the exchange with Mishi about trademarks?
17:07:07 <zack> bgupta: I think what we need now is to update the approval template as suggested
17:07:12 <bgupta> I read her response and your response… it made sense.. I think my action item is to add note about please read this link and acknowledge
17:07:34 <bgupta> I'll take that as a todo.
17:07:36 <zack> yes, should equate to "patch the template", right?
17:07:41 <bgupta> yep
17:07:48 <zack> ok, please add an appropriate #action
17:08:06 <bgupta> #action bgupta to patch template as per mishi's feedback
17:08:23 <zack> great, thanks!
17:08:26 <zack> paultag: around for next one?
17:08:44 <zack> "paultag to whine at www-/-desktop folks for opw"
17:09:06 <paultag> around!
17:09:42 <zack> still want to do that? we still have some time for extra OPW topics
17:09:43 <paultag> I did briefly, but no ACK and I think the OPW folks are on that
17:09:48 <paultag> zack: Yeah, I'll keep at it
17:09:51 <zack> ok, cool
17:09:57 <zack> no need to reenable it then
17:10:11 <zack> on the same vein, I've done the next one, discussing with MadameZou
17:10:23 <zack> she called for help on -publicity as she doesn't want to be the sole mentor
17:10:25 <zack> https://lists.debian.org/debian-publicity/2013/03/msg00019.html
17:10:32 <zack> noone picked it up, unfortunately
17:10:55 <zack> but we did try! :)
17:11:12 <zack> nhandler: I've been lagging on the next one (bits.d.o delegation) unfortunately
17:11:18 * algernon wonders wtf he put his -publicity folder, and goes to reply.
17:11:27 <zack> I've cleared up about 1 pending DPL item per day, but didn't get to that one
17:11:40 <nhandler> zack: No problem. Objections to me creating a document and tossing a few ideas in it?
17:11:52 <zack> nhandler: exactly what I was going to ask ;)
17:12:02 <zack> nhandler: please do, and take an #action, and ping me when you've something
17:12:08 <zack> it'll be useful either for me or for the next DPL
17:12:12 <zack> algernon: neat, thanks
17:12:30 <nhandler> #action nhandler to start draft of blog delegation and share for collab
17:13:05 <zack> tnx
17:13:18 <zack> bgupta: next one is yours, it's about debian-sponsors-discuss
17:13:27 <zack> I think it did happen, right?
17:13:36 <bgupta> I did..
17:13:42 <bgupta> prolly need to poke again..
17:13:51 <zack> yeah, and I did reply, w/o much success indeed
17:13:54 <bgupta> oh wait
17:14:15 <bgupta> moray: pointed me to a wiki.. I have some stuff I can do..
17:14:42 <bgupta> #action bgupta to flesh out debian-sponsors wiki, and ping list again to share.
17:15:03 <zack> ah, right, the wiki page created by moray
17:15:08 <zack> good
17:15:22 <zack> paultag: still up to the .ics notification thingie?
17:15:31 <bgupta> thanks for the reminder..
17:15:39 <zack> bgupta: meetings are useful after all ;)
17:15:48 <paultag> zack: yep, shouldn't be an issue, can find time for it tonight
17:16:00 <zack> great, please re-action
17:16:13 <paultag> #action paultag do ics automailer
17:16:29 <zack> I've done the last one ... 30 minutes ago :)
17:16:47 <zack> so now the mentors.d.o people and DSA have all the legal documents needed not to worry about DMCA
17:17:12 <zack> there might be *other* blockers not to migrate mentors to DSA administered infrastructure (I don't know any, but still..), but not tha one
17:17:33 <zack> unfortunately, the document is mentors.d.o specific, so will need other legal gymanstic if we need similar arrangements for other services
17:18:01 <zack> can we move (back) to next meeting scheduling?
17:18:13 <nhandler> Sure
17:18:32 <zack> so, 2 weeks from now make April 23th, 17 UTC
17:18:43 <zack> which I think it's a sane default
17:18:50 <lucas> yes
17:18:59 <zack> I've just marked it as tentative, as it should probably be ack'd by next PL
17:19:00 <zack> DPL
17:19:03 <nhandler> Yep. I think it is best to have a meeting scheduled and change it if necessary
17:19:04 <zack> who will be known by then
17:19:09 <zack> good
17:19:27 <zack> #agreed next meeting April 23th, 17 UTC (tentative, waiting for ack from next DPL)
17:19:49 <zack> as you could see from the agenda, I don't have much extra stuff this time
17:20:05 <zack> mainly mentioning that after discussions we're up and running with OPW
17:20:10 <zack> and I'm quite happy with that
17:20:19 <zack> thanks to lucas, algernon, moray for their quick feedback on the matter
17:20:31 <zack> for this time I think gsoc money is good enough, we can re-think the fundraising part for the future
17:20:38 <zack> _especially_ if that helps having more interns
17:21:05 <lucas> re money, I have a question for you (when we are done with opw)
17:21:08 <zack> my take on the money issue is at https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2013/04/msg00017.html
17:21:17 <zack> one last point on that
17:21:34 <zack> we still need, but quickly, extra topics to complement the gsoc idea list
17:21:44 <zack> so if you've nothing to do in the next 1-2 days, propose something ;)
17:22:03 <zack> lucas: for me it's all, go ahead with other matters
17:22:29 <lucas> as a DPL, what's your vision of debian's finances?
17:23:02 <zack> technically, I've access to FFIS web interface to our various earmarks there
17:23:07 <lucas> you consulted me (as a possible DPL) on some matters, but I find it very hard to decide on this without having a good overview of how much we can spend, how much we spent in the past, etc.
17:23:20 <zack> everyone has then access to SPI statements
17:23:33 <zack> lucas: *that* is a problem I've been working on with the auditors for 3 years (!)
17:23:43 <zack> short answer is that they have checked in ledger all transactions except SPI ones
17:23:54 <zack> because in 3 years we didn't manage to get proper access to them
17:24:12 <lucas> so, you don't have something like a "debian annual budget"
17:24:26 <zack> lucas: that was the plan....
17:24:37 <zack> in fact, we wanted to have it quartely
17:24:37 <lucas> ok :)
17:24:47 <zack> lucas: blocker has always been access to SPI data
17:24:59 <zack> they improved various things quite a bit
17:25:09 <lucas> does it make sense, given there are quite a lot of things happen yearly?
17:25:12 <lucas> e.g. debconf
17:25:20 <zack> and I hope all the complaining of the past 3 years will turn into some useful result for the next DPL :)
17:25:27 <zack> lucas: maybe not
17:25:42 <zack> what is useful, is the difference between committed money and available ones
17:25:51 <zack> (i.e. accrual- vs cash-based accounting if you're into that)
17:26:00 <zack> and that's useful also on very short periods
17:26:26 <lucas> you mean pending incomes/outcomes?
17:26:45 <zack> yep
17:26:56 <lucas> ok
17:27:00 <lucas> yes, indeed.
17:27:04 <zack> which in debian are a bit more complex than usual, because you might have allocated a budget for reimbursements
17:27:10 <zack> and people in the end won't ask for it, or ask less
17:27:23 <zack> (that's why we set a deadline of 12 months for reimbursement a while ago)
17:27:38 <zack> anyway, I'll be happy to hand-hold the next DPL into the status quo of that part
17:27:39 <lucas> I see
17:28:07 <zack> and tbm has been incredibly useful, even though he has resisted all my attempts to credit more publicly is work :)
17:28:16 <lucas> heh :)
17:28:19 <zack> s/is/his/
17:28:42 <zack> anything else?
17:28:49 <lucas> not from me. thanks. :)
17:29:06 <zack> anyone else? or can we stop here?
17:30:03 <zack> and here goes my last IRC meeting as DPL... :)
17:30:28 <zack> #endmeeting