17:58:57 <spwhitton> #startmeeting 17:58:57 <MeetBot> Meeting started Tue Oct 11 17:58:57 2022 UTC. The chair is spwhitton. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:58:57 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 17:59:03 <spwhitton> #topic Roll Call 17:59:07 <Myon> Christoph Berg 17:59:07 <spwhitton> Sean Whitton 17:59:10 <Emperor> Matthew Vernon 17:59:12 <smcv> Simon McVittie 17:59:25 <helmut> Helmut Grohne 17:59:35 <ntyni> Niko Tyni 18:00:03 <gwolf> Gunnar Wolf 18:00:35 <spwhitton> #topic Interpersonal issues on Jitsi 18:01:35 <spwhitton> smcv: do join us on Jitsi 18:03:25 <smcv> am attempting to do so 18:16:36 <spwhitton> #topic Recruitment on Jitsi 18:19:27 <spwhitton> #action spwhitton to ask candidates if they are okay to be nominated 18:43:58 <spwhitton> #action spwhitton to also ask those candidates for examples of constructive involvement in conflicts 18:44:12 <spwhitton> #action Gunnar to either nominate, or ask that other potential nominator to nominate, that potential additional nominee 18:44:19 <spwhitton> #action gwolf to either nominate, or ask that other potential nominator to nominate, that potential additional nominee 18:44:34 <spwhitton> #topic Review of previous meeting AIs 18:44:45 <spwhitton> Emperor: I see you NMU'd, thank you. Looks like it is not migrating atm. 18:45:08 <Emperor> spwhitton: yeah, looks like the autopkgtests are iffy 18:45:31 <Emperor> maintainer was entirely happy with the NMU, and maybe we should think of that more favourably as an approach in future 18:45:33 <smcv> that smells like a flaky autopkgtest in the dependent package to me, rather than a bug in u-l 18:46:05 <spwhitton> ok. Emperor, are you okay to keep an eye on it migrating? 18:46:12 <spwhitton> or would you like more help? 18:46:25 <Emperor> I'll keep retrying the failing autopkgtest :-/ 18:46:34 <Emperor> (I've cleared about 4 thus so far) 18:46:40 <spwhitton> ah okay 18:46:48 <spwhitton> #action Emperor to keep an eye on migration of util-linux 18:46:51 <spwhitton> thank you again 18:47:05 <spwhitton> Myon: you have an action item we carried over, but you wren't here last meeting. have you been ale to look int oit? 18:47:10 <smcv> it looks from the history as though that package needs a RC bug for "this autopkgtest is flaky and it's hurting other packages" 18:47:25 <Myon> I did some initial editorial editing of the tc bugs webpage 18:47:36 <helmut> Emperor: you may ask elbrus for help. he may know the right way to file a bug about a flaky autopkgtest and make it pass 18:47:37 <smcv> I sometimes open those with CI team hat on, I'll try to do that after the meeting 18:47:45 <spwhitton> smcv: nice, thank you. 18:47:47 <Myon> next step is to put up the last few items that are missing, if any 18:48:03 <spwhitton> Myon: would you like to keep working on that? 18:48:07 <Myon> yes 18:48:17 <spwhitton> and would you like to be actioned or would you like us to just leave iw ith you? 18:48:32 <Myon> action me so I feel prodded ;) 18:48:39 <spwhitton> sure, and thank you 18:48:47 <Emperor> smcv: thanks 18:48:53 <spwhitton> #action Myon to continue working on updating our www.debian.org page 18:49:05 <spwhitton> gwolf did his AI, and the one for everyone is invalid 18:49:15 <spwhitton> #topic Bug #1020923: tech-ctte: please clarify if atomic updates are required 18:49:24 <spwhitton> I believe this is prematurely on our desk 18:49:37 <spwhitton> But I was hesitant to just close it because other TC members have not chimed in much 18:49:39 <smcv> I hope everyone agrees that trivially, we do not require maintainers to do the impossible 18:49:51 <ntyni> well put 18:49:55 <Myon> yeah, it's both too early, and impossible 18:50:06 <ntyni> agreed 18:50:09 <spwhitton> okay then, I will close it 18:50:22 <spwhitton> #action spwhitton to close #1020923 as too early / not specific enough 18:50:31 <Myon> yes, so we don't drag it along unneccesarily 18:50:36 <smcv> I have not got round to responding to it, but if I had responded earlier, my message would have been: is this a question you are honestly asking the TC to answer, or a rhetorical technique? 18:50:38 <Emperor> it was drifting near to abuse of process by the submitter IMO 18:50:50 <spwhitton> yes. 18:51:01 <Emperor> anyhow, we agree to close it, so. :) 18:51:06 <spwhitton> #topic Any Other Business 18:51:13 <spwhitton> does anyone have anything to raise? 18:51:14 <helmut> the initiating bug has been downgraded to wishlist now and the original submitter doesn't seem to be playing severity ping pong 18:51:39 <ntyni> Sam suggested giving advice on who should drive the atomic updates issue if we don't act on it 18:51:39 <Emperor> nothing from me 18:51:42 <ntyni> do we want to do that? 18:51:49 <spwhitton> ntyni: I also had some private e-mail exchanges with Sam 18:51:56 <spwhitton> I don't think we should say more than what's been said at this point. 18:52:03 <ntyni> wfm 18:52:14 <Emperor> ...oh, but https://www.debian.org/intro/organization#tech-ctte is out of date 18:52:15 <Myon> we should only give advice if it's clear someone wants to hear it 18:52:21 <spwhitton> Myon: right. 18:52:28 <helmut> regarding the pam issue, I'm quite surprised that vorlon started talking to us the day I referred it to the ctte after like 20 mails. I'm happy this is resolved now. 18:52:48 <spwhitton> helmut: I'm happy too, but unnerved somewhat by what you mention 18:52:54 <ntyni> +1 18:53:01 <Myon> glad it resolved itself 18:53:13 <Myon> (could have been with less break-all-unstable drama) 18:53:24 <helmut> it kinda did need the ctte referral (as a stick) :-( 18:53:25 <Emperor> my inclination is not to dwell on it now 18:53:31 <spwhitton> yeah 18:53:33 <spwhitton> #endmeeting