17:57:46 #startmeeting 17:57:46 Meeting started Wed Apr 14 17:57:46 2021 UTC. The chair is spwhitton. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:57:46 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 17:57:50 #topic Roll Call 17:57:53 Sean Whitton 17:57:56 Margarita Manterola 17:57:57 apologies received from ehashman and ntyni 17:58:01 Gunnar Wolf 17:58:13 Christoph Berg 17:58:36 David Bremner 17:59:25 smcv: around? 18:01:00 spwhitton: Maybe we can start the meeting, allow him to join if he can? 18:01:13 let's wait until 5 past 18:01:21 since there are already only a few of us 18:01:29 OK 18:01:44 meetbot's clock seems to have drifted a fair bit 18:02:23 TIL openexchange can actually schedule recurring meetings in UTC and seems to get DST changes right 18:02:52 #topic Review of previous meeting AIs 18:03:13 I'm going to go ahead and re-action ehashman 18:03:22 #action ehashman to work on proposal #1 some more and report back to next meeting 18:03:44 I also didn't do my thing 18:03:53 okay, are you willing to just be reactioned? 18:03:58 Yup 18:04:02 #action marga to work on proposal #3 and share some ideas next meeting 18:04:12 Simon didn't circulate a draft anywhere I missed, did he? 18:04:56 I don't recall seeing anything like that :-( 18:05:13 okay then, given that the bug is not urgent, let's just reaction him for now 18:05:21 #action smcv to draft statement closing #976462 18:05:25 alright 18:05:42 #topic #976462 - Should dbgsym files be compressed via objcopy --compress-debug-section or not? 18:05:57 there have been some additional mails; is our consensus unchanged? 18:06:31 remind me, is the concensus "not convinced to change the status quo" ? 18:06:36 yeah 18:06:44 * gwolf recalls that as being consensus as well 18:06:58 Yeah, and there was only one mail from a user? Or were there more mails somewhere else? 18:07:08 the new info is about new WIP software that just needs to adopt to symbols being compressed 18:07:39 Indeed 18:07:41 spwhitton: I see only one mail past our previous meeting on the bug (yours, at 09:36-0700, was before the meeting) 18:07:42 yeah. it was a useful contribution because the author is actually involved in writing tools tha thandle debug symbols 18:08:09 gwolf: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=976462#98 18:08:24 sorry, I am here now 18:08:52 hello! have you got started on the draft to close this one? 18:09:02 Right. There are reasons to have the symbols uncompressed... But AIUI, they can be uncompressed on demand by the user when needed, even if it's not as convenient... 18:09:06 and yes, I didn't want to go closing #976462 having got new info that might change our consensus 18:09:06 spwhitton:precisely 18:09:14 I think by itself a tool that might be useful in Debian in the future is not enough to change things now. 18:09:26 bremner: yes that's what I thought 18:09:40 * gwolf +1's bremner wise words 18:09:47 smcv: has your own view chnaged? 18:09:49 +1 as well 18:10:49 ok, it is sounding as though despite the new contribution from Mark Wielaard, we still think we should keep compressing the -dbgsym to reduce the Installed-Size impact of debugging e.g. big C++ packages like KDE 18:11:01 ack 18:11:13 yeah 18:11:24 are you still okay to draft the closing smcv? 18:11:28 yeah will do 18:11:33 okay great, then let's move on 18:11:53 #topic Moving forward with our reimagining the TC tasks 18:12:00 thanks smcv 18:12:10 We've postponed marga and ehashman's work on this to next time, but does anyone have anything to report? 18:14:18 looks like no we don't? 18:14:33 seems so! 18:14:40 okay then 18:14:44 #topic Any other business 18:14:49 Maybe we want to release a Bullseye soon? :-) 18:15:04 alas we can't overrule delegates 18:15:07 ;) 18:15:16 we could each make a GR 18:15:22 the constitution doesn't say we can't reaffirm them ;) 18:15:50 doesn't sound like anyone has anything to raise? 18:15:52 feels strange to have no big bugs 18:15:58 Nothing from my side 18:16:11 We can always suggest to switch the init system... 18:16:20 hopefully nobody will decide that now is a good time to make their pet bug RC 18:16:52 #endmeeting