17:09:41 #startmeeting 17:09:41 Meeting started Thu Sep 26 17:09:41 2013 UTC. The chair is dondelelcaro. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:09:41 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 17:10:21 cjwatson: sounds good 17:10:39 hello 17:11:16 #topic #681419 Depends: foo | foo-nonfree 17:11:38 OK, I'll repeat for the benefit of the log 17:11:47 Well; I have finally caught up on #681419, and I think that (a) Ian has persuaded me to support his option by way of his addition of the phrase "non-release-critical" (I'm not convinced about the practical effects of the rest of it, but that addition means it isn't entirely hard-line and there's a get-out for exceptional cases), and (b) I'd like to call for a vote soon 17:12:01 Unless there are objections of the form "need more time to consider it, and am actually going to do so soon" :-) 17:12:27 so I still don't agree, and will still vote against, and still have not made the time to write up my alternate resolution 17:12:48 (I will check when Ian gets back first though, since it'd be rude to call for a vote on something he cares about when he's not available to participate) 17:12:54 vorlon: You also don't agree with option A? 17:13:23 cjwatson: can you point me to option A? 17:13:42 vorlon: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-maint/debian-ctte.git;a=blob;f=681419_free_non_free_dependencies/cjwatson_draft.txt;h=f07b7d1c25adeb69d113640b1a5a900923cc0621;hb=HEAD 17:14:31 yeah, it appears that matches my opinion 17:14:45 so I guess I was supposed to only write up on the mailing list *why* I agree with it 17:15:39 I would find that useful, since I appear to be a swing vote 17:16:56 ok; drafting the mail now ;) 17:16:59 Thanks 17:17:13 OK, that's probably all, move on :) 17:18:10 btw, could we still add bug #719738 to the agenda for today? 17:18:37 yep 17:18:46 cjwatson: I'm fine with #681419 moving to a vote 17:19:42 03Steve Langasek 05master 3b3c6ee 06debian-ctte 10meetings/agenda.txt Add bug #719738 to the agenda (late) 17:20:36 #topic #717076 Decide between libjpeg-turbo and libjpeg8 et al. 17:21:08 it seemed to me that we had concensus last time modulo any new information coming to us .. I haven't seen anything new? 17:21:19 diziet is supposed to draft this, so that's all that needs to be said here 17:21:31 #topic #685795 New ctte member 17:21:46 regrettably, I've made no time for this since our last meeting 17:21:54 no worries; just hitting everything 17:22:09 #topic #636783 super-majority conflict; 17:22:44 I think I was supposed to provide input to this, and haven't 17:22:45 bdale: I think this one was just waiting for a comment from you before we proceed 17:22:49 yeah 17:23:10 #topic #719738 lvm2 - Add systemd support 17:24:01 vorlon: I think that your point that we should have the technical component of this discussion in the open is well taken 17:24:10 ok 17:24:18 is there a consensus that we should just go ahead and do that? 17:24:34 I have my own technical concerns about the generator stuff 17:24:41 which I suspect are aligned with waldi's 17:24:48 yeah 17:24:53 but I think the right place to figure that out is in the public bug, not in a private mediation 17:25:08 I agree with that 17:25:28 right. I believe mediation should be about people, technical issues should be decided publicly. 17:26:28 we should probably delegate the lead mediation to someone, and then continue the technical discussion in the bug 17:26:48 so since Michael (Stapelberg) has now said yes to having the technical discussion in public, I'm happy to take the action to start that up 17:27:02 ok 17:27:13 bug #719738 is not assigned to us currently and is marked closed... should I reopen/reassign, clone, file a new bug? 17:27:38 reopening and reassigning to us sounds reasonable 17:27:44 ok, will do 17:27:50 (you'll have to unarchive it too) 17:27:55 who closed it? 17:28:00 Bastian had done so 17:28:16 oh, right, I see that now 17:28:17 (triggering the private CTTE query, I think) 17:28:29 yep, makes sense 17:28:35 I had missed the detail that the bug was now closed 17:28:45 or forgot 17:29:41 ok - seems there's nothing further to say on that right now 17:30:00 #action vorlon to restart the technical discussion 17:30:40 I suppose I probably should keep working on the mediation side of things, probably with Ian 17:31:09 ok 17:31:16 #topic Next Meeting? 17:31:22 it would certainly be better if all parties re-engaged in the technical discussion, mediation might help that 17:31:41 yeah 17:31:56 currently it's the same time on the 31st of november 17:32:05 err, october 17:32:16 is that okay for everyone? 17:32:21 I'm traveling that week and likely won't make it 17:32:26 ok 17:32:45 is a week earlier (the 24th) better for people? 17:32:48 for me yes 17:32:52 checking 17:33:06 yes 17:33:19 ok 17:33:28 it's in the middle of ELCE, but I've decided not to travel to Edinburgh since my daughter will be home that week 17:33:31 ditto vorlon 17:33:35 (on both counts) 17:33:51 #agreed next meeting on the 24th instead of the 31st 17:34:06 I trust you'll update the file so my calendar will just get updated? 17:34:12 yep 17:34:17 great, thanks 17:34:25 #action dondelelcaro to update calendar for meeting 17:34:41 #topic Additional Business 17:34:58 anything else? 17:35:28 not from me 17:35:51 nothing here 17:36:04 cool 17:36:11 #endmeeting