20:06:53 #startmeeting 20:06:53 Meeting started Sun Mar 2 20:06:53 2014 UTC. The chair is alexm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:06:53 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:06:55 alexC: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. 20:07:11 welcome everyone 20:07:30 this is the meeting agenda 20:07:32 #link https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWomen/Projects/MiniDebconf-Women/2014/Meetings 20:07:42 hi 20:07:54 #topic The venue: contact, opening and closing hours, wifi... 20:08:27 dunetna and i talked yesterday about this topic 20:08:29 please could you update us? 20:09:24 the wifi is eduroam, which is an european wifi network for academic institutions 20:09:59 we will be provided with a username and password for everyone that will grant us full access to the network 20:10:06 no port filtering, etc. 20:10:25 people that have already eduroam credentials will be able to use them too 20:10:44 tassia asked in the list if we will have any type of support if the network fails 20:11:16 i'll ask that they have the username and password ready a couple of days before the conference, so we can try them when we setup the video streaming 20:11:50 local public universities don't usually have people on-call on weekends 20:12:04 alexm: is it one username for everyone that does not have eduroam o are they giving you a list of usernames? 20:12:30 one username only 20:12:36 everyone uses the same 20:12:50 ok, much easier 20:13:19 the wifi access points use WPA enterprise, so they're not cheap 20:14:05 i.e. i hope they hold all our bandwidth without problems 20:14:17 back to on-calls... 20:14:39 ok, if we can test the wifi connection 2-3 days before is ok 20:14:59 i asked how much would cost to have someone on-call just in case something goes wrong with the network 20:15:09 i'm waiting for the budget 20:15:46 ok, just today i've asked tassia for the exact budget of speakers costs, so we can know how much is left 20:16:29 any doubt more about wifi? 20:16:31 does the talk room have an extra/dedicated network cable uplink which can be used for video? 20:16:34 as for having a contact from the venue, tomorrow i'll ask anna from the UB if she will attend or who should we contact if we need help 20:17:13 h01ger: the talk room has a wall socket for the video server 20:17:20 but just one 20:17:33 cool 20:18:39 wrt open hours, i'm counting that we will be able to open around 8-9 am and close not much later than 7-8 pm 20:18:59 i'll ask confirmation about this tomorrow too 20:19:11 could you ask the exact hours, so we can close the schedule 20:19:17 ok, perfect 20:19:35 fyi, we have more talks than expected ;-) 20:20:05 Can we do anything on friday pm or will we have to do it all on Saturday morning? 20:20:31 anna from the UB has booked the talk rooms on Thu and Fri so we can check everything 20:20:49 this is the schedule available for us... 20:22:06 alexm: do you know the exact hours? 20:22:19 room B2 from 1-6 pm, room B3 from 1-3 pm and 7-8 pm, hacklab from 2-3 pm on Thu and from 1-3 pm on Fri 20:22:43 romm B" is the main room? 20:22:50 s/B"/B2 20:23:07 that i don't know, sorry 20:23:21 ok 20:23:48 Can we leave stuff overnight like t-shirts, badges, video gear... etc? 20:24:36 don't know either, i'll ask 20:25:42 people that want to help on these previous days must ask for someone when they arrive? 20:26:00 #action alexm to ask for the wifi credentials ready before Thu 13 20:26:04 can we sell o serve tea , snacks and sandwiches inside UB? 20:26:30 i'm afraid i won't be able to go (working during these ahorus), maybe on friday, but not sure 20:26:44 #action alexm to remind UB about the on-call budget 20:27:22 #action alexm to confim the opening and closing hours 20:27:39 alexm is going to be busy ;) 20:27:59 #action alexm to ask whether we can store stuff overnight 20:27:59 alexm: these available hours of room B2 and B3 are for Thu and Fri? 20:28:10 #action alexm to ask if we can leave stuff overnight 20:28:27 alexm: if you need help on this, ping me 20:29:20 #undo 20:29:20 Removing item from minutes: 20:29:46 sim6: i think so, yes 20:30:03 21:27 < alexC> can we sell o serve tea , snacks and sandwiches inside UB? 20:30:34 there was a previous question... people that want to help on these previous days must ask for someone when they arrive? 20:30:47 i don't understand what you mean, dulzet 20:30:57 sorry, i meant dunetna 20:31:26 ups, no problem ;) 20:32:00 i mean: when people of minidebconf arrive there to test wifi and video, what they have to do to be allowed to go in the rooms? 20:32:25 ok, thanks 20:33:12 i guess the contact will be the head of IT, which is the person i'm in contact with 20:33:35 just in case any of local orga will be there 20:33:49 for the time being, count that i'll be there 20:34:06 to meet the video team and the head of IT 20:34:12 any of the locals (or Catalan/Spanish speakers) could be there? 20:34:17 ok 20:34:27 perfect 20:35:14 ok, about serving food... 20:36:24 unless we need any special gear that could be dangerous (i.e. fire) i think we can, but i'll ask that too 20:36:46 #action alexm to ask if serving food and beverages is a problem 20:36:56 anything else on this topic? 20:37:05 alexm: maybe selling is different than serving 20:37:28 if we have money enough we can give food 20:37:30 they don't need to know if we sell food or not 20:37:33 ok 20:37:52 they didn't ask if the registration is free either 20:38:08 i wouldn't worry about that 20:38:47 anything else? 20:38:51 Another question is about hanging a banner above the entrance 20:38:59 ok, alexC: do we have a deadline to ask for food to eva or pau? 20:40:00 no deadline to ask for food to eva or pau? but the soon we know, the soon we can organize 20:40:25 maxmil: IIRC there's a fence right to the door, i think that's the place for the huge banner 20:41:12 what size would be apropriate? 20:41:47 and how what would it need in order to hang / fix it there? 20:41:59 rope 20:42:43 don't know about the size 20:43:27 the fence is quite big, so i don't think that the size will be a problem 20:43:46 ok. I'll get some quotes for different sizes then. 20:43:54 anyway, i'll ask that too 20:44:22 #action alexm to ask about big banner place and size 20:44:25 fine. it can be too small and look ridiculous. 20:44:36 maxmil: do you know how much time they need to do the banner? 20:44:51 not at the moment 20:44:53 probably a week 20:45:13 depending on who we ask 20:45:34 siri: do you have any advice on this. As far as we know the local prices are quite high 20:46:04 I think the fence is too away from the entrance! 20:46:11 please, wait a bit before changing topic 20:46:44 any more questions about the current topic? 20:46:51 Not really, but some of my clients would book through the web - danish companies or Vistaprint (I hate Vistaprint) 20:47:09 can we move on to next? 20:47:10 about banner location, I agrre with sim6 20:47:37 i'll confirm with the venue the exact banner location 20:47:37 what do they ususally do? 20:48:08 * alexm going to change topic in 60 sec 20:48:11 I think the fence is good if we want to announce some days before, but if it is for the same day, it has no sense 20:49:07 The proper location for the banner is the 3 side banner frame 20:50:03 maxmil, if you are going to do it, feel free to take decision 20:50:16 https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWomen/Projects/MiniDebconf-Women/2014/Barcelona?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=ub-2-exterior-2.jpg 20:50:44 maxmil: I agree with dunetna, feel free... 20:51:28 sim6, thanks for the image, if we can have the dimensions we would have something to work with 20:52:14 here you have the entrance-fence distance: http://goo.gl/maps/kAL8N 20:54:37 to know the exact size, maybe any of us can go there and measure the dimensions of that 3 side banner.. 20:54:56 Another option is hang the banner between two windows, but i think it is ugly. 20:55:24 if they have the stand, they probably prefer we use that 20:55:28 and it's easy 20:55:28 * alexm worried about today's meeting end time 20:55:33 :-) 20:55:46 maxmil: can you decide all of this? and we can go on with the meeting? if you want advice, just ask in the list :) 20:56:41 ok, maxmil, we can be in contact for this (big banner advertise) 20:56:42 alexm: I put items with priority, maybe we can leave the last ones for the next face-to-face meeting or list 20:57:12 ok. Leave the banner for the list. 20:57:40 alexm if you could ask the UB what they advise it would be useful 20:58:01 #agreed leave the banner discussion for the list 20:58:17 maxmil: will do 20:58:32 Please anyone can go to the UB, measure this frame, next days? 20:58:46 ok, next topic? 20:59:09 #topic Graphical design and t-shirts, banner, posters... 20:59:55 there are two proposals for graphic design 20:59:58 Ok, we need the measures of banner ;-) 21:00:07 two? 21:00:12 sim6: :P 21:00:36 alexm: we have at least 5 graphical designs! 21:00:50 ok, right 21:00:50 #link https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWomen/Projects/MiniDebconf-Women/2014/Design 21:01:11 thanks sim6 21:02:29 so, how do we decide which designs to use for t-shirts and banners? 21:03:00 my opinion: 21:03:07 what are the criteria? 21:03:53 t-shirt with version 3A of adria's friend and a little bag for all the stuff with siri's "overlapped" design 21:04:18 but if you want we can make a poll right now 21:04:50 Maybe we can start dropping some ones? 21:04:55 we need to use one design theme only to avoid confusion 21:05:50 All the proposals of the friend of alex are finished proposals 21:05:59 I also like siri's "overlapped" design on a clothe bag for the stuff 21:06:14 my proposals have been shared process sketches 21:06:16 +1 :) 21:06:19 I like the 3* design, but not having the cristobal colon statue on it 21:06:45 I would recommend that we pick one of the new proposals - that are finished 21:07:06 I like 2A for TShirt and 4C for a Banner 21:07:36 i agree with siri now, only choose one 21:07:41 I agree with siri. 21:07:57 but i wouldn't discard a little bag with overlapped debian-women logo, it's nice :-) 21:08:41 I do however still aim for a final design that has some reusable elements: debian (women) logo and "logotype" 21:08:43 I like the 1A logo 21:08:55 i don't like the 1* 2* 21:09:22 tictacbum: we can ask adria's frien to remove cristobal colon, but we are short of time... 21:09:53 Why not, Is a cool "emo-gafapasta" girl ^_^ 21:10:02 dunetna: the idea can be used for something else in Debian women - it's not tied to Barcelona 21:10:11 dunetna: i wouldn't go that way 21:10:45 then I prefer the siri's one :) 21:10:52 yes, i was thinking about other bcn symbols in the graphic that are also sicutible XDDD 21:10:52 i don't like 1* and 2* either. we all like/dislike different things. maybe we should go with a poll, with a deadline of 24-48 hours to answer. I don't think we can arrive to an agreement in this meeting like this 21:11:11 totally agree 21:11:17 We don't have time for that 21:11:24 sorry 21:11:33 in my opinion i like more 3* and 4* proposals, but i prefer skyline with ascii text than the defined skyline with some 'capitalistic' emblematic buildings from bcn.. (my 2 cents) 21:11:51 shiiiiiiiiit, sorry, I didn't get in time for the meeting! I was moving houses :( 21:12:08 so, should we all say what we prefer and let the design team make the final decision? 21:12:12 +1 for a poll to decide it 21:12:15 consensus seems to be narrowing down to 3 and 4. 21:12:27 i like 4 better too 21:12:36 think that we should all be allowed to vote, not only the design team 21:12:40 I like 3* and 4* too, anyway 21:12:44 is anybosy going to freak out if the designers agree with one of them 21:12:45 from the 3* and 4*, the one's I like more are 3A 3C 4A and 4C 21:13:21 I am creating a poll 21:13:35 i like them both, 3* and 4*, and more A than C 21:13:36 i think we can vote itin 5 minutes 21:13:49 no matter what image we choose, there will be a red, a white and a black variant 21:14:22 de we have any restriction about having white backgroud colours? 21:14:25 you need that to work with the design on the actual items 21:14:47 the red can be difficult to match on t-shirts, can't it? 21:15:05 whte and black T-shirts with red print 21:15:09 i mean the debian red background of C designs 21:15:20 matches perfectly with other uses 21:15:46 For C dessign, the T-Shirt can be red 21:16:05 Siri: I omit your first design since there were a lot of discusion 21:16:25 sim6: of course 21:16:41 #link https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/debian-bcn2014-design/ 21:16:42 :) 21:16:53 I think we should move on: 21:17:35 we need banners and T-shirts. it also says posters? do we need that and for what? local signs? 21:19:10 i think the idea about posters was to invite people to the conference 21:19:30 it's a bit late now, right? 21:19:57 but now i don't know if it still makes sense, since we're almost full and i'm sure many people haven't registered on the wiki 21:20:14 i agree, don't think the posters are that important right now 21:20:32 flyers might be though 21:20:41 if they are to be used at the venue, fine, we can make som printouts for A3 21:20:56 anyone against forgetting about posters? 21:21:17 they can be handy last minute signs 21:21:58 so flyers have higher priority than flyers 21:22:05 ups 21:22:16 the idea about posters was to make a pdf and istribute it online 21:22:21 so flyers have higher priority than flyersso flyers have higher priority than posters 21:22:43 I think they make sense if done very soon 21:22:43 :-P you know wha the intention was 21:22:46 but it's low priority since we have a lot of participants... 21:23:04 Also, we need to put the sponsor logos in a few places :) 21:23:10 dunetna: the more the merrier! :) 21:23:12 I agree too, we are late for fisical poster 21:23:35 but maybe not for a virtual one to spread the word 21:23:51 using social medias 21:23:52 maybe posters make sense for sponsors 21:23:55 ok, still on the list 21:24:05 please, vote, you can put anonymous name if you want ;-) 21:24:38 Can vote anybody? 21:24:41 where? 21:26:00 Where I can see "Siri minimalistic" and "Siri overlaped" logos? 21:26:15 poll: https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/debian-bcn2014-design/ 21:26:46 designs: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWomen/Projects/MiniDebconf-Women/2014/Design 21:26:57 frangor: http://sirireiter.dk/blog/entry/140228_en/ 21:27:13 ok. thanks 21:30:35 so, i'm not sure what did we agree about posters right now 21:30:50 I think we have to decide the design 21:31:03 they are still on the task list 21:31:20 ok 21:31:31 and after order mateiral by priority, for instace: 1.t-sirts 2.banner 3.flyer 4.poster 21:31:35 * Tincho is voting :) 21:31:43 7 for siri overlapped and 3A, but 2 against 3A 21:31:56 Tincho you are late :P 21:32:05 xD 21:32:08 There is second round voting? 21:32:23 I mean, choose the 3 more voted and vote again? 21:32:29 alexC, you can still change it 21:32:36 I needed some time tu figure out the nerdy interface :-P 21:32:42 'to 21:33:22 sim6: oh, shit :) 21:33:45 No, not changing, but if I count votes that preffer the city (3* or 4*) then there are 9. So that's the reason of a second round with less options 21:33:49 Tincho: I'm joking 21:34:31 I think it is a misunderstanding to vote for specific flavors of a theme. But I explained that already. 21:34:34 Tincho: please, move the balance 21:34:48 anyone more wants to vote? 21:34:56 I haven't noticed that, but it seems my vote broke the tie 21:35:14 FWIW, I don't see what's the problem with the Colon, I only find the afbar tower a bit strange 21:35:28 agbar 21:35:30 I think the objection about 3A was Cristobal Colon 21:35:34 it shoul dbe noted that the dudle is not counting the undecided votes at all 21:35:43 ok, 8 for 3A, but 4 againt it :( 21:35:48 Tincho: it shouldn't, should it? 21:36:08 ana: but they are counted the same as no 21:36:24 we need bombs! 21:36:43 dunetna: oh, I didn't notice colón there.. but well, it is part of the city :( 21:36:51 The Sagrada Familia is also bad.. 21:36:55 design should not be democratic (sigh) 21:37:07 siri: +1 21:37:18 siri: :) 21:37:22 siri: +1 21:37:22 yes: we can have objections of agbar (capitalism), colon (imperialism), sagrada familia (catholicism) 21:37:35 no, design shouldn't be democratic, nobody is telling the artist what to do. But we have right to decide in the final desings 21:38:13 dunetna: for me the agbar looks like a big fallus. For somebody not knowing barcelona ... 21:38:42 and the two towers (destrucción del paisaje y boom imobiliario). Let's take out all buildings from 3A :-) 21:38:44 are we going to chat about the city skyline all night? 21:38:54 Depends on the sensitivity of each. I do not see more than a stone. 21:39:10 ok, sadly, bcn is what it isç 21:39:18 dunetna+1 21:39:51 yeah, those are the milestones of the city, we like them or not 21:40:16 * jo0nas withdraws vote - cannot understand what is actually being voted about, or the voting scheme 21:40:58 I think barcelona is more than those buildings, but I can live that design ;) 21:41:26 I like siri's design for somethng more general 21:41:28 now we need a second round? 21:41:31 sadly, designs were late 21:41:32 preffer the buildings to a portrait of messi 21:41:34 is the city defining the conference?!? 21:41:35 but for the minidebconf I would love something more bcn-ish 21:41:37 maybe the siri designs are more "neutral" 21:41:44 maxmil: XDDDD 21:41:51 maxmil: who is messi? 21:42:09 siri dessign can be on the back of the T-Shirt, with the logos, 21:42:16 ana: your better off not knowing 21:42:18 ana: Are you joking? 21:42:26 alexC: the designs need to be consistent 21:42:26 sim6: no 21:42:38 people, let's not waste time... 21:42:48 ana: is a football player 21:42:48 Tincho: +1 21:43:05 we should end this meeting before 23:00 21:43:09 sim6: monica told me already. Keep in mind I don't like footbal and I don't live in Spain ... 21:43:12 :-) 21:43:12 now 8 for 3A and Siri Overlapping 21:43:17 I prefer the other designer's proposals to my own drafts. Sorry, should have stated that more clearly before the vote. 21:43:41 sim6: no, update the page 21:43:50 I came late to the vote so I didn't say anything.. I only see 3, or maybe 4 designs.. In fact, voting on color schemes does not make much sense to me 21:43:55 I don't like competitions - I like discussions and soft consensus 21:44:05 Tincho: you are not alone in that view 21:44:38 ok 21:45:05 it seems a lot of us like 3A, we could do it better, for sure 21:45:05 I would leave up to the localteam 21:45:05 now 4 against 3A and only 2 against Siri Overlapping, so the winner is Siri Overlapping. 21:45:20 but, we should end this discussion 21:45:55 I've asked before: will anyone freak out if the design team chooses to go on with proposal 3 og 4 - based on our views 21:46:06 it seems that the decision goes to 3*, althought there are some votes for 4*, cause Siri said she doesn't see her design at all.. we can go for them... 21:46:42 and make the final design implemented on the different supports 21:46:44 everyone agrees on 3 or 4 then? 21:46:56 alexm: +1 21:46:59 thants what I hear. thanks 21:46:59 +1 21:47:00 3 or 4 is ok 21:47:02 +1 21:47:05 aye 21:47:18 and now the main question: who is going to do the t-shirts? 21:47:30 it is fine for me 21:47:34 they must be done ASAP 21:47:40 Monday if possible 21:47:44 #agreed to use designs 3* or 4* 21:47:55 or Tuesday... 21:48:20 who is in contact for the t-shirt place? 21:48:32 i can help siri or the other designer on this 21:48:33 to the person/s who is going to do the t-short: don't forget logos 21:48:47 dulzet: i think alexC offer himself to do them 21:48:54 but he needs the exact design 21:49:02 front and back designs 21:49:02 i was in contact with one t-shirt place 21:49:30 just need the files 21:49:45 ok, we can write between us, the designers and alex, and move it on ;) 21:49:50 every color makes the price go up 21:50:32 OK, let's talk private by email and continue the meeting 21:50:37 dulzet: maybe Monday I can confirm a new sponsor 21:50:45 ok 21:50:57 alexC, siri, dulzet: please, keep us informed through the list 21:51:13 done ;) 21:51:26 flyers: anybody who will work on a text? 21:52:13 dulzet: we don't have good sponsors logos, only the ones in the web :( 21:52:47 ok, could all of you be in contact via email, please? :))) 21:52:50 they will not suffice 21:53:29 anybody comitting to work on a flyer text? 21:53:35 dunetna: yes, we can change the topic, but siri is right, we need a text for the flyer 21:54:12 could it be asked via mailing list? 21:54:22 ok 21:54:58 the priority is the t-shirt and banner, they take more time to do it 21:55:11 we can have some extra days for the flyer 21:55:23 ok, we can move it via the list 21:55:57 we have a lot of topics left, but I think we can talk about one more at maximum an finish the meeting 21:56:06 do you agree? 21:56:21 #info the priority is the t-shirt and banner, we can have some extra days for the flyer 21:56:41 maybe "friday and saturday nights" is the most urgent? 21:57:17 and be prepared for the face-to-face meeting next week... it may be loooong ;) 21:57:35 #help needed to work on a text for flyers 21:58:30 #action the design team to send files to alexC for the t-shirts 21:59:08 dunetna: frankly it's too late 21:59:44 hola 21:59:48 Hi adria 22:00:15 howdy everybody 22:00:17 alexm: ok, maybe we can finish the meeting now and talk about fri-sat night only the people who is taking care of this 22:00:34 sounds good. Adria you arrived just on cue. 22:01:05 let's go to the last topic: Next meeting reminder 22:01:10 anyone has anything to add before we wrap up? 22:01:25 I would like to do this last topic :-) 22:01:32 Next meeting reminder 22:01:42 #topic Next meeting reminder 22:01:47 hi guiu and adria 22:02:10 I would like to encourage people to have mini-meetings 22:02:21 dunetna: +1 22:02:25 with only one topic: design, talks, etc 22:02:42 and remember the next face-to-face meeting 22:02:55 the last one!!!! and the most important and stressing one as well 22:03:07 Sun Mar 9th at 11:00 CET at Almina Bar 22:03:19 ok 22:03:47 but Almina Mar was closed the other day 22:04:18 if it is closed we could do it at Ateneu Rosa de Foc in Gracia, is ok for everybody? 22:04:32 (we should ask before) 22:04:38 I can call Almina Mar and confirm this availability 22:05:28 fine for me 22:05:30 otherwise, if Almina is closed, we'll can meet at Ricci (just on the other side of the street) 22:06:29 adria: maybe Ricci is too dark 22:07:22 sim6: please, find out if Almina Bar will be open on sunday and write to the list. we can then decide where to go 22:07:44 this meeting may be long, maybe we have to have lunch together 22:07:45 I think we can leave this for the list. 22:07:56 and you know I love having lubch with you :))) 22:07:56 alba: ok 22:08:46 #action sim6 to confirm that Almina Mar will be open 22:09:16 #info next meeting in person will be on Sun Mar 9th at 11:00 CET at Almina Bar 22:10:00 so, that's all? anything else? 22:10:16 last change before the meeting ends... 22:10:21 *chance 22:11:25 #endmeeting