19:02:47 #startmeeting 19:02:47 Meeting started Wed May 27 19:02:47 2015 UTC. The chair is indiebio. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:02:47 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:02:55 whoohoo 19:03:00 #pingall meeting spam 19:03:07 because I was doing too many things at once, cate :) 19:03:43 ok, before we start start, anything more to add to the agenda? 19:03:50 need the realtime patch? 19:03:52 also, my burger just arrived. nomnomnom 19:05:09 * DLange steals indiebio the patty 19:05:09 ok, so ... 19:05:21 #topic budget 19:05:35 is that how we do agenda items? 19:05:36 Myself and madduck have a meeting on saturday to go over the budget and the ledger stuff 19:05:52 I have looked at the previous DC budgets, but would like him to take me through what he has too 19:06:10 ok, can we have a prelim budget by next wednesday? 19:07:33 I'm not sure I'll be able to tbh, I'll better know after Saturday 19:07:44 Can we have a prelim budget for dc16 by next wednesday, nkukard? 19:08:07 I'll say no for now 19:08:08 slow meeting today. btw indiebio : you missed the role call 19:08:15 * nkukard <= thinking 19:08:20 basic prices, based on the quotes we got for the bid. doesn's have to be in the final format, can be in a good old spreadsheet 19:08:58 I don't know how to do the role call, cate, or do you mean I wasn't present? 19:09:01 yeah, a raw budget will help to get information by other people 19:09:28 indiebio, I don't want to duplicate any effort , there is also the ledger idea that comes into play here that I need to discuss with madduck first 19:09:31 I don't think we can do this just now, and it's pre-dc15 folks! ;) 19:09:36 can we get a very raw budget by next wednesday, and can you give a date that you expect to have a better one please, nkukard? 19:09:55 indiebio: what do you expect from a "raw budget"? 19:10:19 a spreadsheet, madduck :) 19:10:28 what questions should it answer? 19:10:31 ok 19:10:33 you will neef 6 to 10 months begore hwving a usable budget anyway 19:10:53 OK, I think then let's wait on the ledger idea, but I would like to know what exactly this entails. 19:10:58 how many people will attend dc16? once you tell us that, we'll provide a raw budget for the case ;) 19:11:13 indiebio: the "ledger idea" is details IMHO 19:11:20 Then I think I'll action myself and wendar to get a very raw budget idea, based on what we did for the bid 19:11:29 madduck: it is needed to ask quedtions, not to answer. aka: put together the info 19:11:35 indiebio, its really not as easy as 123 :) , wendar had some rough figures that I'll try pull in with madduck 's help 19:11:43 madduck: roughly what the total budget is ... 100 000 EUR, 200 000 EUR, millions of EUR...? 19:11:53 cate, I'll add what wendar had as that is the only info I know we have atm 19:12:05 indiebio: we'll provide next wednesday what we came up with. deal? 19:12:36 ok, great. so do we need a meeting next wednesday, or will an email report back be sufficient? 19:12:38 I can do that /agrees with madduck 19:12:53 email will be sufficient 19:13:17 this will just get the ball rolling and then we talk and develop the needs 19:13:29 great. anything else on budget? 19:14:45 roll call? 19:15:02 it's when you put up hands to let the minutes know who's here 19:15:10 #rollcall 19:15:16 * nkukard puts hand up 19:15:19 o/ 19:15:20 o/ 19:15:21 o/ 19:15:21 * tamo Ia m here hand-up 19:15:31 * DLange waves 19:15:53 o/ 19:16:35 only madduck is missong 19:16:40 indiebo is that a hand waving 19:16:50 * madduck 19:16:51 #agreed nkukard and madduck to have a meeting on saturday to go over the budget and the ledger stuff 19:16:51 Email response to team by next Wednesday: 3 june 2015 19:17:09 * madduck feels the iron fist 19:17:32 speaking of meetings and saturdays 19:18:09 there's a mybroadband thing happening at saint's in blouberg at 15:00 19:18:18 tamo, that is indeed 19:18:31 could combine things? and there will be free beer 19:18:34 * tamo smiles 19:18:56 #agreed nkukard to email response to team by next Wednesday: 3 june 2015 19:20:05 ginggs, good plan, let's banter about that after the meeting again? 19:20:21 right, next 19:20:51 #topic design 19:21:06 tamo, please introduce yourself 19:21:35 * tamo waves Hi everybody, my name is Tammy 19:22:10 I am doing the design of the Debconf logo and Marketing material as well as the all important website 19:22:57 anything else indiebo 19:22:58 Hi tamo :) 19:23:14 Uhm, so you were introduced to Debian by wendar 19:23:23 and we're taking it as it comes from there :) 19:23:50 tamo has book deadlines - May/June is book season so the design is a bit slow right now 19:23:52 Yes sender and I go way back and she asked me if I would be interested to work on the design side of things 19:24:03 wendet not sender!! 19:24:45 * tamo raises eyebrow, spellcheck , I am also new at all this coding talk so please bear with me LOL 19:25:00 I think it is fine. wr canvwait 19:25:01 tamo, could you please send the .svg file you presented to us at the braai to the team mailing list for the whole team to play with, and please modify it to include 'DebConf' instead or in addition to Debian 19:25:32 a svg that could be opened easily 19:25:51 so no multipage, please 19:26:09 ms-svgxml 19:26:13 * madduck hides 19:26:14 Yes indiebo I am going to get back in touch with it over the weekend and do the amend then I will send the svg file. 19:26:51 thanks tamo, don't worry about big changes for now. and can you make it a one page doc as cate asks? 19:26:59 madduck! behave! 19:27:14 cate what do you mean about multiple pages? 19:27:38 all right. then can we for the moment play with it and note any ideas, and then we can take the design further in a later meeting. anything else for design? 19:27:52 tamo: the browser showed only one page 19:27:54 not too sure to fit all on one page is not going to be easy 19:28:11 tamo, the file you gave is 4 pages. if one opens it in a 'basic' programme, you can only see the first page 19:28:14 tamo: 4 files? 19:28:31 *cough* pdf 19:29:02 'me aah penny drops ok, well maybe 4 files but PDF would work perfectly 19:29:48 tamo, can you send us the original pdf, and if we want to play with the .svg file we just have to work with the one that is in git (I put the one you shared with me in our common folder, it's called git) 19:30:02 ok, can we move on? tick tock 19:30:18 #topic brochure 19:30:24 indiebio do you want everyone to have access to the design and write notes Just worried if too many people are designing can get rather complicated 19:30:44 is wendar back from her meeting? 19:30:57 tamo, it does, but this is how debian rolls. for now, le 19:31:43 ok can do, yes the more notes the better, ok will see how all rolls out 19:31:52 tamo, it does, but this is how debian rolls. for now, let's throw it open, we can close it again later. and I don't think many will get involved. but they jealously guard the option to :) 19:32:17 okidoke! 19:32:47 Will send the pdf and svg to the mailing list 19:32:48 so, madduck, I've listed your suggestions re the brochure. I haven't managed to do more work on the brochure again, but I have some ideas. 19:33:15 I would like to explore further your concerns about the perks and that it seems to not be optimised yet... 19:33:39 thanks tamo! 19:33:59 hi guys 19:34:02 I'm from Mauritius 19:34:15 (but French) 19:34:23 95% probably I will attend Debconf16 in Capetown 19:34:24 hi cyrilb. FYI, you've landed in the middle of an IRC meeting 19:34:33 oh 19:34:42 indiebo will do that on Monday guys, just need to get some stuff out the way and will focus on thing this weekend agin. 19:35:32 perfect, thanks tamo 19:35:55 think we need to co-opt cyrilb into the team ;) 19:36:27 ok, madduck's MIA, let's move on for the moment 19:37:15 sponsor leads we sorted, it's on git and wendar's got a system. anything anyone wants to mention there? nkukard? 19:37:26 I added a few 19:37:57 excellent, thanks nkukard! 19:38:04 we are just waiting for the money 19:38:28 lol, cate, your expectations are ... uhm ... 19:39:10 nkukard, can people who have leads contact you or how do we add leads? 19:39:23 oh, I'm cyb@debian.org btw 19:39:28 and going to sleep 19:39:37 cu, bye. I'll read the IRC backlog tomorrow 19:39:39 pleased to meet you, cyrilb 19:39:58 indiebio, urmmmm 19:40:12 I think we need someone on the sponsors team to handle that 19:41:12 ok, I'll wait with that till I understand the sponsor thing, now that I've got it cloned. I just want a place where we can see the potentials. don't need to have contacted them yet - that needs to have the brochure 19:41:24 so a brain dump of potential sponsors, and who we know there 19:42:00 moving on? 19:42:13 sho, it's hard to chair a meeting into the void... 19:42:16 what is the brochure about? 19:42:24 short version LOL 19:42:56 tamo, you have the 2015 printed version, I gave it to you when we met at Peddlers 19:43:13 it's the 'why you just HAVE to sponsor us' doc 19:43:37 sorry mia 19:43:57 ok, madduck, brochure thoughts? 19:44:09 aah ok 19:44:32 we've got 15 minutes left, I can also go through accommodation while you gather your thoughts? 19:44:43 indiebio: well, I certainly think we should keep going with the perks, maybe add some, maybe remove one, think about qualifying criteria to buy each, and also assess the rules about stuff offered by non-sponsores 19:44:58 but I think this probably needs a longer discussion and some preparation 19:45:10 I was thinking, we're flying blind here, why don't we ask the sponsors? 19:45:11 i kinda held off on this until the brochure was done, which is not needed 19:45:29 indiebio: asking the sponsors is a possibility, but not just yet 19:45:32 but I should *really* write what I see in my head. 19:45:43 hopefully this weekend. 19:46:08 what do you see in your head? 19:46:20 ok, so for the meeting, we can agree, the brochure is going well, work in progress' 19:46:57 #topic accommodation 19:47:08 I went back to past emails 19:47:33 and we will need university catering at least some of the time to go with the acc contract 19:47:39 but not *all* of the meals/ 19:48:19 that's a bit annoying 19:48:21 are you looking at getting outside people 19:48:28 how do we feel for all of the meals uni catering vs e.g. only breakfast, and then get more fun/tasty but possibly slightly more expensive for lunches? 19:48:41 we could do all the meals... I just don't think they'll be wow 19:48:46 what about the Caravans? 19:48:59 I would like food caravans. 19:49:02 where people sell there wares? 19:49:12 indiebio: this might be something we have to keep as a budget option, until fairly late 19:49:18 tumbleweed, are you annoyed at any meals? 19:49:19 unless this would need to be signed long in advance 19:49:32 They can get good deals and great advertising for them, fun varieties 19:49:37 indiebio: I'm annoyed at possibly having to contract with multiple caterers 19:49:38 now I should board 19:49:41 I haven't confirmed with her, but wanted to how from you so i can go in prepared 19:49:58 we could do all meals with them, that's the easy way 19:50:01 is that what we want? 19:50:20 indiebio: unless they're offering us food above what res students get, I would prefer to avoid them. Never heard good things about that food 19:50:44 also, we're definitely going to have at least one dinner & lunch away 19:51:20 * tamo 2c worth res food is not all the great 19:51:32 I was thinking going for a bed & breakfast option, then foodtrucks and lunch combo'd - using the Claire Bock (I think) option 19:51:46 and then dinners everywhere 19:52:05 with people possibly being able to book their own meals with the residence if they jsut don;t want additional effort 19:52:22 there'll probably be people who just want an easy dinner, yeah 19:52:36 I think res food is fine if you just ewant to get fed. I'm the type who just needs the belly filled. Food, IMHO is a waste of time. 19:52:38 indiebio why don't you see what restaurants can do specials 19:52:54 dc14 had a registration option of "I want breakfast and lunch, but there are awesome restuarants in the city that I'll frequent for dinner" 19:53:01 So I need to know how much food-related effort I need to put in, what is the DC team's views on this? 19:53:29 it is still winter time and you can do a booklet or coupon of various restaurants so it still keeps it as a conference setting 19:53:55 OK, so I think I see the gist. I'll go a-harassing the peoples again. 19:53:58 indiebio: I'd say food is pretty important. But res food would be fine. People would grumble, but it'd be ok 19:54:26 tumbleweed, I think we need options for foodies, and options for people (like me) who just don;t give adamn 19:54:37 I think that's doable. 19:54:44 the option for foodies can be "get your own food" 19:54:51 ok, moving on, good dawgs, it's almost 10 19:55:11 #topic conference app 19:55:29 So there's been a lot of talk about CMS 19:55:38 which I take to mean, the conference scheduler, right? 19:56:01 and then I want each attendee to have profile for networking should they choose it 19:56:17 I am sure everyone understand res food 19:56:24 if they want better, why can't they just go out to eat? 19:56:52 And it seems that the debconf crowd goes, blah, they've been using giggity. so, what's the opinion on giggity out there? 19:56:55 then again, maybe I"ve spent too long eating res food :) 19:57:00 Shoudl we just adopt that as the DC16 CMS? 19:57:04 indiebio: no, I think when we've been talking about CMS, we've meant the general conference information 19:57:21 indiebio: profiles, schedule, etc are the conference management system, which is currently summit 19:57:38 nkukard, I'm with you on that one. If you're hungry, we'll feed you. If you want to eat well, then here's our suggestions, but you're on your own. 19:57:53 BUT, food also is the ONE thing that turns a conference from OK to amazing 19:58:09 EXACTLY 19:58:16 i think giggity is only a front-end for users during the conf, it's not nearly anywhere near enough functionality that we need from the side of orga 19:58:27 so what's the symmelarities/differences between summit and giggity? 19:58:29 and crea a little excitement too re: the food and all gathering together 19:59:04 indiebio, in terms of food you must also understand we cannot work miracles :), then again ... for anyone coming from eu or any country with a better economy than ours (most?) eating out is cheap 19:59:05 why do you say that though, madduck? is there a wiki or something about what;s needed? I feel at this stage it's overcomplicated. 19:59:07 indiebio: i don't think they are even the same league. giggity is a schedule viewer, summit has registration, scheduling etc. 19:59:32 indiebio: no, we don't have formal requirements specified, but that's why cate, wendar, nattie and I are here ;) 19:59:45 indiebio enjoy the Cape Town experience with different tastes of SA, perhaps the Res can incl some dishes? 19:59:46 ok, I think I'm asking for something that explains the NEEDS. not just the comparisons, that's already too high level for me 20:00:03 yes, tamo, I agree :) 20:00:16 we need a system that can (a) register people and track the whole workflow, (b) receive events and track their workflow, (c) design/manage scheduling, (d) be extensible for the next feature we'll come up with. 20:00:28 so we make a guide, but we don't set it in stone 20:00:30 like, tonight you *have* to eat here 20:00:58 and the sponsor contact table setup, can it be used for this, madduck? 20:02:16 indiebio: no, that is a separate beast. While it is conceivable to integrate sponsors/fundraising with the CMS, that is a bit too utopian right now IMHO 20:02:22 ok, people, can I close the meeting, any further chatting is discussion? I think I'm not a meetbot person, I'll go through the chat and make my own minutes 20:02:33 no, I'm not saying integrate. I'm saying, uhm, clone and adapt... 20:03:23 the functions of the thing, is it similar to the CMS? 20:04:00 indiebio :) 20:04:27 indiebio: no, I don't think there is too much overlap 20:04:49 thanks all. /me -> lunch 20:04:52 ok, we track contact details for both, sponsors and registrants, and each accumulates a history, but that is about it. 20:06:35 The conference management system needs scheduling and registrants to create events, possibly self-scheduling abilities, and a whole different set of data to track for each registrant, e.g. arrival date, food preferences, taking part in the day trip, sub-registrants/kids/spouse etc., have they paid, have they arrived, room allocation information, etc. 20:07:10 oooooh, ok. huh. 20:07:24 and this cms has to be open source, N-NIH? 20:07:45 yes. and ideally not based on MySQL ;) 20:07:58 lol, I was thinking a spreadsheet 20:07:59 :) 20:08:06 ok, going offline for a bit, heading home. 20:08:07 ok silly question but is this all the backend? 20:08:12 plus, content management, e.g. maintaining "how to get to the venue" information easily and in an integrated fashion would be usefyul 20:08:19 yup, very heavy backend, tamo. 20:08:31 (as in, I have NO idea, backend) 20:08:31 AAH ok thanks 20:08:58 * tamo laughs out loud 20:09:27 But I would have to consider all that in the design though 20:10:27 tamo: uh, you are designing the "corporate identity", no? 20:10:35 logos, etc.? 20:10:52 no the website but the design of the website 20:10:57 right 20:11:08 you need not worry about any of this! any system we employ will need to be templated so that any design can be applied 20:11:11 based on the debconf 15 and all the rest 20:11:20 you can just concentrate on the creative process ;) 20:11:27 As far as I know, there'd be a button to this stuff, that's all you have to worry about, tamo 20:11:38 ok cool!! Happy to hear!! 20:12:04 madduck was silently sweating 20:14:01 yeah sorry, I am not entirely aware of the chasms in understanding yet. It's a great experience to have you guys here drilling through this. Thank you for your patience and not throwing in the towel at all us tech-absorbed nerds. 20:14:34 * tamo haha been fun seeing how all works!! 20:14:42 welcome to the tip of the iceberg 20:15:45 yup starting to get that impression, but fascinating new world. Know about it but haven't gone to deep 20:16:32 captivatingly fascinating. i mean, we are talking about the 17th iteration of a conference attracting around 300 people each year, organised entirely by volunteers on a small budget, and changing locations and teams every year. 20:17:03 *and* not charging entrance fee *and* sponsoring a great part of our attendees' room&board, and some travel on top of that. 20:17:25 wow impressive!!! 20:18:27 just show what can be achieved! 20:21:47 * tamo waving bye .... thats me wonderful meeting everyone!! Have a great night!! 20:22:00 or day!! 11:38:09 * nkukard ties highvoltage to the floor 11:59:58 good luck with that. 12:04:11 nkukard: what's up? 12:04:35 nothing :) 12:04:40 you just got disconnected 12:06:12 ah yes, digital ocean migrated my vm 12:06:21 how did that make you feel? 12:11:16 didn't feel much, they've been sending spam mails warning of a minute or so's downtime today for the last week :) 12:14:08 what do you use your DO machine for highvoltage ? 12:24:25 nkukard: for this one, personal website and IRC 12:24:41 ah, you have more than 1? 12:25:29 nkukard: yeah but I spin them up when needed 12:27:24 ah 13:48:38 highvoltage, ginggs_ , indiebio_ , I've asked rene to add a phone number and venue address onto the visa letter, the embassy rejected my invitation, rene says he'll sort it out 13:57:04 nkukard: they rejected it? WFT. Try an other embassy ;-) 13:57:21 cate, its not a train smash, I used the hotel booking I made 13:57:24 and they appeared to accept that 13:57:45 but to streamline the others from South Africa, Rene just needs to get a phone number added where they can call to confirm 13:57:53 and a bonus would be the conference venue address 13:57:59 the embassy was very nice and helpful :) 14:01:40 I just traveled in Russia, with total different program (cities and dates) as I used on visa. Nobody complained. [and also on visa application I gave them for documents for 2 people: each person had 3 different travel dates on 3 documents :-) 14:02:05 [ok on that last part they noticed, but they don't complained strongly] 14:02:46 cate german embassy blatently refused the document and said it did not list contact details which was a requirement :) 18:12:03 nkukard: ah thanks for the heads-up 18:16:43 highvoltage, yea, bug him in a few days .... if you want to wait 15 days and see if I get mine I'll tell you exactly what docs to include :) 18:25:21 nkukard: I need to apply for mine next week, so I'll get it ASAP 18:34:14 Dudes, where's the topic line? Or is it just me. Looking for the place we jot the minutes down 18:34:38 it seems it was forgotton to end the last meeting 18:34:41 #endmeeting 18:34:45 the chair has to do it 18:35:32 indiebio_: http://whiteboard.debian.net/9fcb2.wb 18:35:45 indiebio_: can you also write #endmeeting on a line by itself? you were the last chair I think. 18:35:52 Ah. #endmeeting 18:35:59 #endmeeting 18:36:02 hm 18:36:08 I don't like this meeting thin 18:36:21 neither ;) 18:36:47 wow long meeting 18:36:48 Thanks :) 18:37:13 Haha, highvoltage, my life *is* a meeting 18:37:39 someone else please update the "next meeting" 18:39:35 I can't do it, I'm not a 'channel operator' 18:41:20 wtf? /me changes channel modes 18:41:53 can't; tumbleweed has to. 18:42:06 tumbleweed: please +t this channel and consider adding some people as CHANOPS via ChanServ 18:59:32 sure 19:02:29 madduck: isn't +t the inverse of what we want? 19:02:36 http://www.oftc.net/ChannelModes/ "t - only chanops may change Topic" 19:03:39 anybody can change /topic here 19:03:48 right, so what's the problem with that? 19:04:05 we just need the next meeting date 19:04:12 if I click on the topic field, it gives me error: "Sorry, you need to be a channel operator to change the topic" 19:04:18 let's try the /topic... 19:04:35 sounds like an issue with your client 19:05:19 that worked very well 19:05:20 How's that? :D 19:05:25 small wins 19:05:31 How's the 24th of June for the next meeting? 19:05:34 Too late? 19:05:57 you may want to remove the excess ] from the topic end 19:06:21 beautiful 19:06:44 I added madduck and wendar as chanops. drnlm is already one. That should be enough? 19:08:44 indiebio_: thanks for dropping your quote. now we have a lower barrier to add the next quote of yours! ;) 19:09:11 madduck, those quotes are embarrasing. I'll work to make them more noteworthy ;) 19:09:30 sorry, didn't mean to embarrass 19:09:57 i think they are noteworthy of your fearless plunge into the cold debconf waters. there aren't many people like you, you know…? 19:11:12 aw, thanks. good to know it's noteworthy. I just feel like an idiot most of the time! 19:11:54 i am sure that some wise person once said something along the lines of being old the day you stop feeling like an idiot when approaching new stuff. 19:12:22 :) 19:12:52 there are three ways you can handle feeling like and idiot when doing new stuff: (a) don't do it; (b) stick with it and become a non-idiot™; (c) stay an idiot. you're not on the (c) track 19:13:06 anyway, now i will stop pampering you and return to my usual abusive style. 19:13:57 a can be so tempting :) 19:14:35 … until you embrace debconf and what it's all about. 19:15:53 I toggle between b and c. I'm too dumb for a. 19:16:19 someone hit her with a sword and knightress her already 20:26:13 tumbleweed: o/ 05:57:16 indiebio_, madduck doesn't do youtube either *snicker* 03:42:37 interesting, at least one Debian user in Madagascar: https://paste.debian.net/plainh/a165e261 03:48:57 looking at Google I see some Apache indexes that indicate the University uses Debian 06:13:07 nice 15:13:49 Cape Town can sometimes really be a weird kind of crazy: http://www.gumtree.co.za/a-shares-offered/city-centre/1-room-in-apartment-free-to-use-+-on-one-condition/1001293424230910454217409 15:17:51 highvoltage: why? he wrote that he is a considerate person to share a house 15:22:15 heh 15:23:19 and free fish 15:32:24 highvoltage, you do know students type up posts like that for social experiments for their studies, right? 15:33:16 nkukard: yep, it had occured to me that it's probably a troll or something. I'm still curious to see some of the replies to that :) 18:34:53 highvoltage: If I remember correctly, there was a Craig's List advert a few years ago similar to that. 19:13:12 the accordian is probably a deal breaker. 10:08:43 * highvoltage 's visa has been approved \o/ 10:27:33 what's the status on the sponsorship brochure? 10:27:59 any chance that we'll have it ready in time for dc15 and the other FLOSS events in july/august/september? 10:28:26 i understand we're still waiting for the design. Is there an ETA? 10:28:44 might it make sense to start working on the text with DC15 CI meanwhile so that we later just have to layout and be done? 23:54:07 madduck: still waiting on design, but yes we'll certainly have something by dc15 23:54:30 madduck: probably not july, that's not in the plan 15:20:40 madduck, wendar, tammy said she should have something by this weekend. 15:20:53 I'm hoping to send a nice organised email this weekend in time for the next meeting :) 15:21:16 indiebio: great! 15:21:39 My huge deadline is over so I'm slowly getting a bit of space for other stuff... 15:45:22 \o/ 15:45:33 \\o 17:07:45 cool that will be nice 20:36:05 o/ 16:40:38 grf. Can anyone help me with grouping my nick indiebio with my nick indiebio_ with NickServ so I don't get kicked out of #debconf-registration the whole time? 16:40:59 I get this error: Unknown command GROUP, /msg NickServ HELP for help. 16:41:09 when I follow this link step 5: https://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup 16:44:42 this doesn't work either: http://wiki.swiftirc.net/wiki/Nickserv#Group_-_Glist 16:57:18 indiebio: different IRC networks do this differently. This is OFTC not freenode or swiftirc 16:58:17 indiebio: you want LINK not GROUP 16:58:30 indiebio: say HELP to NickServ for more information 06:37:11 thanks tumbleweed 20:59:22 indiebio: sorted? 02:03:36 ? 06:21:21 I dunno, had a family crisis. Will try again tonight when I send that promised email. thanks anyway tumbleweed 06:21:50 I couldn't find LINK, but thanks for the tip that OFTC is different, that should help 07:48:59 indiebio: /msg nickserv HELP ENSLAVE 08:06:21 lol @ enslave 08:09:44 early internet was not so politically correct [nor technically correct] 08:10:04 cate, indiebio is going to have a good chuckle about enslave 17:10:56 testing 17:12:13 "This nickname is already linked to that master. " So apparently it worked then. thanks 17:25:34 * nkukard enslaves indiebio 17:25:43 in your dreams dude 17:25:49 :) 17:26:23 I'm registered, protected, and spoken for :P 17:27:11 \o/ 17:39:22 indiebio, there is actually a linux command called 'ifenslave' and its used for bonding, no jokes 18:01:50 heh 18:56:34 hmm 19:14:05 nkukard: regarding your budget, I thought we said we would *not* have a separate data tab but try to find a way to incorporate this into the table for clarity, and also reduce the number of tabs and outsource into separate files using DDE()? 19:15:39 I understood you saying you could never have enough tabs, I have 0 experience using DDE 19:17:31 okay, so I think there are two aspects here 19:18:01 (a) I think we should keep the main budget clear and crisp and allow anyone to just look at it without having to flip back and forth between tabs 19:18:11 page 1 is like that, the overview 19:18:32 (b) subsheets are useful, but the .ods file in Git sucks, so let's use files instead of tabs 19:19:02 I realise I am probably confusing you on this. I think the best would be if I managed to produce an example of what I meant by Wednesday. I'll try. 19:24:35 madduck, I don't mind if you want to add my tabs into separate files, I just don't know how to do it, nor do I have capacity to learn another thing I'll never use again :) 19:24:41 but if you want to add it, I"ll just use it, no problem 19:26:59 DDE is trivial. instead of Sheet.B3 you just have something like DDE('filename', 'sheet', B, 3) 19:27:04 anyway, I'll get on it. 19:28:28 I'd appreciate it madduck :) 09:51:25 * indiebio does a Rocky dance 09:51:29 \o/ 09:51:42 lol, wrong channel, haha 09:51:45 nevermind 09:56:54 * nkukard throws indiebio around the room :) 09:57:01 weeeeeee 19:47:26 I'd like to put a small vote in favour of Fuller (with the caveat that I'm biased because I stayed in Smuts for two years). 19:47:55 I just like the way the rooms are organized into landings and stairwells and courtyards. 19:49:06 I haven't seen the Graça Michel residence though. 19:49:13 /ich/ach/ 19:52:14 it's pretty, and really close 19:52:27 haven't been inside Graca Michel, it's further, and downhill. 19:52:46 My vote is Fuller and if we need spillover, Smuts is just across the courtyard. 19:56:39 topic says Next meeting: 2015-06-24 at 21:00 South African time (19:00 UTC) 19:56:42 did I miss it? 19:57:51 is it 2015-06-24? 19:57:56 * madduck makes a strong coffee for highvoltage 20:12:22