18:59:45 #startmeeting 18:59:45 Meeting started Mon Apr 13 18:59:45 2015 UTC. The chair is madduck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:59:45 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:59:56 #topic Preamble / last meeting 19:00:05 let me say on thing about last meeting and today 19:00:18 some of us were at my office while participating in the IRC meeting 19:00:23 on top of that, meetbot failed 19:00:35 so we don't really have minutes, and it was a tough meeting too, especially for those not locally present 19:00:40 we learnt, and apologies anyway 19:00:42 today 19:00:46 we will collect the pieces 19:00:52 marga has asked me to chair 19:00:57 #addchair marga 19:01:01 #topic role call 19:01:03 who's here? 19:01:06 * DLange waves hello 19:01:07 that's not for last week, but rather 3 weeks ago, last week there was no meeting, as there was no quorum 19:01:08 Hallo 19:01:17 * sladen listening 19:01:18 * Zugschlus 19:01:24 I am attending. 19:01:31 <_rene_> hi 19:01:42 hi 19:02:16 RichiH excuses himself 19:02:27 alright, let's move on. 19:02:32 #topic visa invitation letters 19:02:32 hi 19:02:43 * hvhaugwitz partly here 19:03:03 the suggestion here is that the Verein creates a Ressort and appoints _rene_ as leader so that he may sign the letters officially, with a German-sounding name 19:03:23 if _rene_ is okay with that, I will work with RichiH and/or Ganneff to make it happen this week 19:03:34 the letters should go out ASAP, as far as I understand, right n0rman? 19:03:53 I'm ok with the plan as long as _rene_ acks 19:03:54 So _rene_, please say if you see yourself able to print/sign/send 5–10 letters this week? 19:04:55 hm 19:04:56 <_rene_> Friday/on the weekend, yes 19:05:10 ok, any objections? 19:05:15 n0rman: does this sound ok? 19:05:26 _rene_ is on the visa team, so this seems sensible 19:05:45 +1 19:05:53 * hvhaugwitz aggrees 19:05:56 +1 19:06:00 #agree _rene_ will become official Verein visa signer this week and the aim is to print/sign/send the outstanding letters this weekend 19:06:04 moving on 19:06:09 #topic conf dinner 19:06:21 while loni was travelling, she asked me to engage 19:06:52 we were late (budget) and the guy was a bit angry about it, but it's under control again 19:06:54 sorry, ok to me :) I'll coordinate with _rene_ +'tahnks 19:07:20 why was he angry? 19:07:33 basically there will be free drinks for a longer period and we will buy kegs and boxes of wine and serve to those who pay extra while supplies last 19:07:42 marga: because he wanted a commitment by 2015-03-31 19:08:05 so we have two things to figure out, and I was hoping nattie would take this on, or someone on her team: 19:08:08 Regarding choice, the wiki says this will be coded in the badges, I don't like this. 19:08:17 that is one of the two things 19:08:23 what don't you like? 19:08:36 "oh, you have the booze mark as well..." 19:08:43 Because the choice of one single dinner would be visible for everyone the whole wekk 19:08:54 marga: wait… 19:09:08 I don't think it's reasonable to expect people to make a choice before arrival 19:09:14 so it won't be on their badges 19:09:23 ok 19:09:25 so we either have to create a new set of badges anyway 19:09:34 or find some sort of other means to tag visibly 19:09:38 Ah, if it's a just-for-that-night badge, that's fine 19:09:43 That's how it was done for DC13 19:09:45 and also track who paid for the beer/wine package (e.g. 5€/person) 19:09:56 nattie: can we do this for dc15? 19:10:15 hand out just-for-the-night badges coding the dinner choice as well as whether the person paid for alcohol? 19:10:16 Beer stickers to add to the badge 19:10:34 #info we can use stickers to track who paid for alcoholic drinks 19:10:34 madduck, the exact request would be: upon registering at FD, people are asked about their choice of food + booze payment and then given the appropriate badge? 19:10:39 * DLange notes down more stickers to print :) 19:10:44 beer whirl 19:10:48 #info dc13 had for-the-night-only badges to identify dinner choices 19:10:59 clothespin on the badge. nothing to print, case closed. 19:11:04 DLange: we can use some off-the-shelf stickers for this 19:11:24 marga: yeah, at least the choice of meal then would be gopod 19:11:28 to make sure everyone chooses 19:11:31 our only chance really 19:11:38 and purchase stickers later, even during the night. 19:11:49 hi. I'm late and in the mobile. 19:12:10 #info make dinner choice when picking up badge if it's okay with front desk and sell stickers for alcoholic beverages, even on the night 19:12:10 madduck: we can print enough for a few euros to make them unique and less easy to "accidentially confuse with another on you stuck on the badge" 19:12:13 #info If possible we would need: upon registering at FD, people are asked about their choice of food + booze payment and then given the appropriate badge. 19:12:31 nattie, ^ do you think the above is possible/ 19:12:42 DLange: not sure we need to protect against this attack vector. But if you're in charge, you get to decide ;) 19:13:49 . o O (we should have one IRC channel per agenda item so that we could be truly asynchronous) 19:14:05 DLange, nattie: ping? 19:14:31 . o O (or RTC meetings…) 19:14:47 whatever, we can decide this later 19:14:49 moving on. 19:15:03 #topic floor plans, booths, job fair 19:15:04 This should be easy: We print a list of registrants, write their coming and menue choice and booze payment in there 19:15:28 and then give them badges and stickers according to choice and payment 19:15:28 #topic conf dinner #2 19:15:38 DLange: will you procure the stickers? 19:16:17 I can sure. This can be done a week before the event. This is no long-lead item at all but I'll make mayself a reminder to not forget. 19:16:20 * hvhaugwitz has to go, sorry... 19:16:27 #action DLange to procure the stickers used to identify those who paid for alcohol 19:16:30 #topic floor plans, booths, job fair #2 19:16:48 DLange: what do we have on this item (which is a prereq for sponsor fulfillment)? 19:17:17 I have sent the plans to Zugschlus and he has git access now 19:17:29 but afaik he has not yet been at the venue 19:17:34 and I am late with my work 19:17:43 it is significantly harder to get a helper than I thought 19:17:45 thkoch didn't go to HD because of the weather over Easter 19:17:50 he went $elesewhere 19:17:54 -typo 19:18:14 #link https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf15/Germany/Venue#Scouting_tasks 19:18:30 any ETA Zugschlus? 19:18:38 sorry, but it would have been too hard on my wife ... :-( We still want to go to the venue on one of the next long weekend 19:18:41 s 19:18:54 DLange: I hope next week 19:19:12 thkoch: keep me posted, we can do things together or at least beersign 19:19:17 that would be great, Zugschlus 19:19:52 * Zugschlus closes the lame excuses book for today 19:20:07 <_rene_> Zugschlus: are you then also able to do "how to get there"? I have (bad, crowded) photos here, but.. 19:20:22 well, we need to get to sponsors in May, so if you guys can finish this within the next two weeks, that should be enough for DLange, no? 19:20:28 _rene_: tell me more about that task 19:20:36 Zugschlus, _rene_: it's an item later on 19:20:43 madduck: yes, that still works timing-wise 19:20:43 <_rene_> ok 19:20:50 ok 19:20:57 what has network scouting to do with the sponsors? 19:21:09 Do we know how many sponsors want a both right now? 19:21:14 #info Weather and other plans spell delays, next plan is to measure the venue and get detailed plans by 2015-04-27 19:21:23 maxy: no, we have not engaged until we know what we could offer 19:21:30 Zugschlus: good question 19:21:46 DLange: you have the plans now, right? Aren't they enough to see what we can offer? 19:21:57 madduck, I think that's the wrong order of things, but that's the next topic, isn't it? 19:22:06 we have plans but no measurements of the spaces 19:22:09 there is quiet likely to a pre-existing plan as prepare/delivered to the fire brigade. 19:22:16 so we still need to fill these in 19:22:29 sladen: we have that and it's in the git 19:22:40 DLange: do you *do* need the guys to measure the venue before you can make a plan on booth spaces, right? 19:22:40 but again, not to scale, not measured 19:22:43 * sladen nods 19:22:53 DLange: the plans do have a Maßstab, dont they? 19:23:06 madduck: yes because I otherwise don't know how many tables and chairs fit in 19:23:30 #info Figuring out the number of booths we can set up for both showcases and job fair requires measurings 19:23:32 DLange: can you give information which rooms you need measured ASAP? 19:23:33 Zugschlus: no, they are fire-rescue plans 19:23:54 Zugschlus: it's in the wiki, see link above 19:24:01 #action Zugschlus thkoch DLange to coordinate and to deliver measurements in two weeks, 2015-04-27 19:24:13 can we move on? 19:24:22 yes 19:24:32 yes 19:24:36 #topic sponsor fulfillment 19:24:59 Is there someone ready to liaison to sponsors in May? 19:25:12 i.e. communicate to them what we offer and engage in further planning? 19:25:26 * MeanderingCode tunes in 19:25:39 even without knowing the measurements or numbers, this could be prepared already and ideas collected. 19:25:40 It's not like I don't have things to do (mainly Bucharest), but if nobody else volunteers, I can do it. 19:25:51 I think we should have done this already 19:25:52 I have the feeling many sponsors expect you to keep the communication going, madduck 19:26:06 * madduck nods to marga, not DLange 19:26:18 in some ways, yes, I am probably the primary contact 19:26:40 but this doesn't mean I now have to reach out. payments are done, and that was my job 19:27:41 but I'll work with marga… 19:27:58 #action marga madduck to engage with sponsors regarding fulfillment 19:28:09 #topic Open weekend plans / webpage 19:28:21 santiago is not here, maxy can you say anything here? 19:28:36 Not really. 19:29:07 I haven't spoken with santiago about the open weekend. 19:29:26 should we put this back on the agenda in two weeks, i.e. will you be able to get onto this between now and then? 19:30:08 And I'm not completly sure planning and promotong the openweekend isn't against the content plans. 19:30:36 Anyway, I'll bring this to the content table 19:30:47 well, i am just talking about structure, not content 19:30:48 Related to Openweekend I can help 19:31:15 I writed the initial proposals in the Wiki 19:31:33 So any need count with me 19:31:36 maxy: also, we promised this open weekend thing to people before the content team was formed. Yes, this sucks a bit and maybe should have been done differently, but the solution now can't be that we scratch the idea because the content team doesn't like it. 19:32:04 on the upside of things, we didn't promise any specifics, so all we have to do now is move forward and propose a plan… 19:32:38 jathan: If the content team aproves it, I'll be happy to organize it with you. 19:33:17 maxy: so can we have a final statement from the content team by 2015-04-27 so we can move on? 19:33:38 Ok 19:33:45 Sorry my previous comment wasn't clear. The issue is not the openweekend but deciding the talks before the content team aproves them. 19:34:06 ah, yeah, but as I said: we should define the structure 19:34:09 the programme 19:34:10 the slots 19:34:32 We including me :) 19:34:34 "keynote #1" — "lunch" — "workshop #1" — "party" 19:35:10 jathan: yes, absolutely. your help will be invaluable! I am sorry it's such a mess, but this is a first time we're trying this, so it's hard to give clear(er) guidance 19:35:13 So, apart from the structure and poking people to propose event that fit in the openweekend idea we are stuck till the talks deadline. 19:35:33 Thanks Martin. 19:35:39 that's fine if maybe we can announce a keynote and 1–2 other events, maxy 19:35:55 it needs not be a final programme, but it needs also not appear as if we have no idea of what we're doing. 19:36:44 here is hoping that in future years, we'll have a better timeline uniting all the important events (e.g. event submission vs. registration vs. PR) in a better way… 19:36:45 madduck, alright. Assuming the basic structure is there, how do you want to advertise it? 19:37:15 It could be a good idea ask proposals for OpenWeekend schedule by email to all. 19:37:20 marga: I think we should discuss this advertising thing in dc-team (!) and reach a decision about registration caps, reservations etc. 19:37:31 jathan: please coordinate this with maxy 19:37:32 And set a final date 19:37:36 madduck, ack 19:37:38 marga: we have 348 registrations as of tonight. 19:37:43 Ok 19:37:52 we have 430 beds or so. we are basically mostly full. 19:38:07 i mean, not yet 19:38:08 madduck, I know, this should be discussed in the next global meeting. 19:38:10 Not here. 19:38:15 but getting to the point where we need to figure out a strategy 19:38:18 But yes, we will need to act on that. 19:38:21 ok 19:38:22 maxy: can you give your email address please? 19:38:36 The schedule is already decided. It can be tweaked, of course but the one in the git seems to please everyone. 19:38:41 #info registration activity vs. beds available needs a clear strategy on how to move on before further PR 19:38:58 Ok 19:39:02 maxy: maybe this could be finalised and announced? 19:39:07 (and tagged) 19:39:15 anyway, let's move on 19:39:22 #topic Getting there webpage 19:39:36 _rene_, Zugschlus, thkoch: can you three please coordinate this? 19:39:47 <_rene_> Zugschlus: that was what I was talking about earlier 19:39:52 _rene_ has a draft but needs more photos, and thkoch/Zugschlus are going to the venue, so… 19:40:04 _rene_: is your draft in the wiki? 19:40:05 <_rene_> nah, I have bad photos 19:40:14 <_rene_> with many people in it :/ 19:40:19 _rene_: give your bad photos and I'll take better ones 19:40:20 #action Maxy to send the schedule as finalized (previous topic) 19:40:22 maybe thkoch could take this on and be responsible for it, seeing that Zugschlus already gets to measure the venue? 19:41:12 I think what we need most right now is more top-level information, like "you probably want to fly into FRA if you're coming from farther away" 19:41:13 I can take the pictures on the way there, that's not a big deal 19:41:22 <_rene_> I've no idea why madduck thinks I have a draft, honestly. I have a planned stucture, but... 19:41:37 sorry, misunderstanding maybe? I thought you even sent a file to me… 19:41:41 FRA or STR are almost equally good railroad-wise 19:41:48 anyway, let you people coordinate this, ok? 19:41:55 <_rene_> azeem: we have that. well, not "you want to fly to to FRA" but "there's FRA, STR etc" 19:41:56 _rene_, I think we are talking about two different getting there pages 19:42:01 #info what's needed first is a rough plan, details can be filled in later 19:42:04 yes registration activity vs beds available sounds great 19:42:06 <_rene_> yeah 19:42:09 _rene_, you had the draft for the FRA page 19:42:12 <_rene_> madduck means HD Hbf to hostel 19:42:21 _rene_, that one should get published ASAP 19:42:22 FRA, STR, MUC, CGN, DUS, even HAJ 19:42:34 #action _rene_ Zugschlus thkoch to coordinate the creation of photos and webpage to help people find their way, to HD and to the venue. 19:42:41 _rene_, then there's the other page that needs to get the extra photos 19:42:41 let's move to the next topic, ok? 19:42:43 <_rene_> huh? 19:42:48 <_rene_> http://debconf15.debconf.org/travel.xhtml 19:42:53 <_rene_> ok, STR is missing, but... 19:42:54 * madduck waits 19:42:59 is that linked from somewhere? 19:43:07 Yeah, is it linked? 19:43:16 <_rene_> "You can find information on how to travel to Heidelberg and/or the youth hostel here." 19:43:20 _rene_: that is the "draft" I meant, no? 19:43:22 <_rene_> in registration.xhtml 19:43:40 azeem will later make a tab for it, that's his speciality. 19:43:54 Ah, well, it's too hidden, I thought it wasn't published 19:44:03 maybe we should combine that and "Dates" into "Information" 19:44:04 or so 19:44:06 #info http://debconf15.debconf.org/travel.xhtml is the draft I was tlaking about 19:44:13 azeem, sgtm 19:44:16 #info http://debconf15.debconf.org/travel.xhtml should be linked from more places 19:44:34 let's worry about this once the page is final 19:44:47 well, people wanna buy tickets now? 19:44:49 we have the action item 19:44:57 #info We should probably replace "Dates" with "Information" and have this page linked there (as well as the dates and any other info) 19:45:07 we already had inquires and last time I pointed them to the wiki cause I didn 19:45:12 didn't know travel.xhtml existed 19:45:24 azeem: ok, I am not trying to prevent it, just don't want to spend too much time discussing something here that needs not be discussed between everyone 19:45:43 azeem: do you want to s/dates/information and link it etc.? 19:45:56 <_rene_> *sigh* 19:46:03 _rene_: ? 19:46:21 I have a few improvements to the train part, of course. Is the source of the page in in git? 19:46:29 zes 19:46:30 <_rene_> yes 19:46:32 yes* 19:46:33 Zugschlus: debconf-data/dc15.git/website 19:46:44 can I just commit or do you want a pull request 19:46:55 Zugschlus, just commit 19:47:02 k 19:47:27 <_rene_> azeem: not that I said in some meeting loong ago I was commiting it the day after, but... since then it's there. months, basically. 19:47:44 <_rene_> so *sigh* because apparently noone noticed :) 19:47:53 _rene_, I guess some people have found it, it just not obvious and we should fix it. 19:47:58 Anyway, let's move on. 19:48:10 #topic day trip 19:48:26 again? 19:48:26 Any developments here? 19:48:26 _rene_: yeah sorry, I really thought you didn't get around to it yet :-/ 19:49:11 there seemed to be a lot more discussion about ideas in the past weeks 19:49:20 but still, nobody wants to actually drive this to completion, eh? 19:49:22 madduck: you wanted to secure buses 19:49:40 azeem: yes, I am in discussion with bus companies 19:49:49 cool 19:49:58 it's not easy if you have to tell them that you have no plans. ;/ 19:50:19 my personal preference would be towards Speyer/Technikmuseum/something on/at the Rhine 19:50:39 but I don't know what else is there, like hiking options 19:51:04 7away 19:51:10 duh, sorry 19:51:13 DLange: wait… 19:51:14 t-shirts 19:51:15 next. 19:51:18 anyway, let's not discuss ideas or preferences here 19:51:27 I know, I wanted to remove away status... 19:51:27 #info no progress has been made unfortunately 19:51:37 #topic T-shirts 19:51:45 any news on this? I do have a question… 19:51:53 I'm waiting for Valessio to come back with the two designs {nattie,madduck,me} asked for. 19:51:56 He pointed at the debconf-wiki page on pre-made T-Shirt designs but no further updates received so far. We also need the logo's incorporated or on the back side in a somewhat appealing setup. Perhaps nattie has more but I haven't spoken to her over Easter. 19:52:01 #link https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf15/Artwork#T-Shirt 19:52:03 At some point I'd need a distribution of T-Shirts sizes for {attendee,staff,video}-registrants so we can do the maths. 19:52:40 DLange: nattie might be able to help, but of course we won't get final data until end of june 19:52:49 apparently, in the past, moray just guesstimated them. 19:53:21 that's most probably quite fine, the distribution should already be rather stable at 350 registrants 19:53:38 … who have not reconfirmed™ 19:53:40 Yes, you want to have extra of all sizes as people sometimes change 19:53:44 a DebConf special… 19:54:04 DLange: but we can definitely increase the total batch 19:54:15 you get your size if you register well, you get what's available in any other case :) 19:54:18 and sell 19:54:21 sure 19:54:36 i wanted to propose going for fairtrade shirts 19:54:42 won't be doable within budget 19:54:50 but given that we are quite well on the way with budget 19:54:54 maybe this is something to consider? 19:54:57 I wouldn't say that yet 19:55:26 once we have the design, we'll get prices and that includes fair/organic options and then we can decide 19:55:39 ok, good plan 19:55:49 #info once we have the design, we'll get prices and that includes fair/organic options and then we can decide 19:56:03 I said in last meeting that I would check options here in Mexico with Yakbek 19:56:14 but talking with Nathi 19:56:17 #info DLange wants distribtutions to do the maths, should be fairly stable by now 19:56:40 #action DLange nattie to coordinate wrt numbers, maybe ask moray 19:56:52 #info we can probably go quite well above 500 and sell shirts etc. 19:57:11 She told me that Gunnar ex-girlfriend has been helping during some DebConfs with these 19:57:45 i really don't think we should be shipping t-shirts from mexico 19:57:55 So I wait until Nathi answer 19:57:58 can we move on? 19:58:09 Oh I see 19:58:13 Yes 19:58:14 did you ask your question, madduck? 19:58:19 DLange: fair trade; yes. 19:58:22 ok 19:58:26 #topic conf bags 19:58:38 DLange: can we assume that this will basically be done with t-shirts? 19:58:41 yes 19:58:48 also the banners 19:58:54 #action DLange / t-shirt team in charge of conf bags and banners at the same time 19:58:58 w00t!@ 19:59:19 alright, then i suggest we leave the rest for the next meeting and decide now how to move on regarding the schedule 19:59:23 #topic Next meeting 19:59:38 the "official" (ICS) schedule has us meet again next week 19:59:43 and then every 2 weeks 20:00:12 I think it would make sense to return to this schedule, but there were a few deadlines in the above at 2015-04-27 :/ 20:00:37 so, suggestion: next meetings: 2015-04-27, 2015-05-04 and then every two weeks? 20:01:10 I have no issue with meeting next week. 20:01:25 ack from my side. I may miss the 27th though (travel). I'll let you know status/info offline before the meeting in that case. 20:01:41 I would prefer to go back to the 20, and avoid having the global and local meeting the same day. :) 20:01:42 and skip 2015-04-27 and convene 2015-05-04 and then hope that the 2015-04-27 deadline items are definitely done? 20:02:06 * madduck has visions of Douglas Hofstaedter 20:02:11 sounds reasonable to me 20:02:31 you can poke people between meetings as well 20:02:38 maxy: ah, yes, 2015-05-04 is global team meeting, eh? 20:02:57 why not just every two weeks from now on? 20:03:00 no, -04-27 is global team meeting 20:03:06 azeem: therefore ^ 20:03:10 ah. 20:03:30 so next week and then 2015-05-04 and then every two weeks 20:03:56 let's do that. and we can always make next week short or cancel it if not necessary 20:04:09 * madduck proposes to \#agree and \#endmeeting 20:04:40 +1 20:04:46 +1 20:04:57 <_rene_> yes :) 20:05:04 #agree return to regular meeting schedule, i.e. dc15 local team meetings 2015-04-20 and 2015-05-04 and forthnightly forthwith 20:05:07 #link http://www.debconf.org/calendars/DebConf-team.ics 20:05:11 #endmeeting