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16:29:02 <pollo> #topic Roll Call
16:29:23 <pollo> Please say hi if you're here for the meeting!
16:29:27 <Guest10475> o/
16:30:03 <h01ger> hohoho.
16:30:06 <olasd> ohai
16:30:12 <olasd> Guest10475: you're a guest
16:31:04 <paddatrapper> o/
16:31:32 <weepingclown> olasd: has it changed now?
16:31:35 <pollo> yes
16:31:46 <weepingclown> cool, then hi again :)
16:31:53 <pollo> proposed agenda: https://deb.li/ipVeE
16:32:22 <pollo> #topic DC24 - Rooms
16:32:55 <pollo> are we aiming for 3 rooms (2 regular + 1 BoF) as ususal?
16:34:27 <pollo> It would also be useful to have floor plans + pictures of the rooms we're planning to use
16:34:43 <pollo> paddatrapper: do you want to take that action and contact the local team?
16:35:01 <olasd> there's a lot of high resolution photos in the bid
16:35:15 <olasd> (https://wiki.debian.org/DebConf/24/Bids/Korea/Venue)
16:35:41 <olasd> it's not clear which venues are planned for what, but 3 recorded rooms seem like the plan
16:35:41 <pollo> ooh, even floor plans
16:36:28 <pollo> #info a lot of high res pictures and some floor plans are available at https://wiki.debian.org/DebConf/24/Bids/Korea/Venue
16:36:42 <pollo> anyway, let's move on and keep this in mind for the next meeting
16:36:53 <pollo> #topic Potential dates and core team interest
16:37:04 <pollo> I don't think the official dates have been announced yet?
16:37:10 <olasd> they have
16:37:43 <olasd> #link https://lists.debian.org/debconf-team/2024/01/msg00000.html
16:37:57 <pollo> ah, and there's a wafer instance up too
16:38:20 <Jaidon[m]1> <pollo> "Please say hi if you're here for..." <-  hi
16:38:41 <pollo> #info Debconf: July 28th to August 4th. DebCamp July 21st-27th
16:39:01 <pollo> on my side I'm 85% sure I'll be there :)
16:39:47 <paddatrapper> pollo: sure can do
16:39:52 <paddatrapper> /me is in 2 meetings at once...
16:40:17 <pollo> #action paddatrapper to follow up with the local team about what rooms we're planning to use and to comb through the available pictures :P
16:40:21 <olasd> I intend to come, and am happy to mule again
16:40:43 <olasd> we'll need to figure out storage while I'm out and about after the conference
16:40:44 <pollo> #info olasd has volunteered to carry video equipment from Paris
16:41:48 <pollo> anyway, if people from the core team intend to come, please make it known!
16:41:56 <pollo> #topic equipment
16:42:18 <pollo> So we'll have the regular cameras. We're hiring audio locally?
16:42:36 <olasd> I hope so ;-)
16:43:10 <pollo> what's the status WRT audio from the cameras?
16:43:25 <olasd> meaning?
16:43:27 <pollo> we had talked about moving to decicated interfaces, like Focusrite boxes
16:43:37 <olasd> ah, well, we have the hardware
16:43:57 <olasd> (we have 4 audio interface boxes, 2 behringer and 2 whatchacallit)
16:45:27 <olasd> we probably need a sprint with hardware if we want to switch over our setup to another pipeline; I'm not sure we're going to be able to do that during DebCamp
16:45:38 <pollo> hmmm
16:45:46 <paddatrapper> The a/v sync will need testing either during a sprint or debcamp
16:45:46 <paddatrapper> I would like to see us move though
16:45:46 <pollo> time seems short to organise a proper sprint
16:46:05 <paddatrapper> Assuming no drift
16:46:06 <pollo> there's the Berlin mini-conf though
16:47:22 <pollo> #info we have the hardware to switch from audio input through the cams to audio input through decicated boxes, but would probably need a sprint to make this happen
16:47:38 <pollo> anything else wrt equipment?
16:47:53 <pollo> I think we can delay further discussions for when we'll have the room layout
16:48:20 <pollo> #topic Video stack
16:48:33 <pollo> what's the status wrt Nageru vs Voctomix?
16:48:59 <olasd> nothing changed since the sprint in July; we've not used nageru at an event yet
16:49:31 <pollo> we could maybe try 1 room with nageru, like we did for voctomix at DC16?
16:49:43 <pollo> it could be good goal for DebCamp
16:50:08 <olasd> if we manage to not spend DebCamp setting up networking...
16:50:13 <pollo> :P
16:50:33 <pollo> let's keep that in mind then, but plan for voctomix everywhere
16:50:41 <pollo> anything else?
16:50:50 <olasd> voctomix 1 seems to be working okay on bookworm, at least we've not noticed new issues in Cambridge
16:51:00 <olasd> so it's a safe fallback
16:52:37 <terceiro> does it make sense to talk about remote talks in this topic?
16:53:17 <pollo> let's add a topci
16:53:20 <terceiro> thanks
16:53:43 <pollo> #topic DC 24 - Remote talks
16:53:46 <pollo> terceiro: :)
16:53:51 <terceiro> right
16:54:12 <terceiro> so we had a discussion in the content team, and we feel it's important to suport remote talks in some way
16:54:34 <terceiro> because that is a way of ensuring that the core debian teams can participate in DebConf
16:54:41 <terceiro> we also know it's a PITA for the video team
16:55:18 <terceiro> so we would like to find a compromise that's easy enough for you, and doable for us
16:55:24 <pollo> we've tried different things wrt remote talks in the past
16:55:27 <terceiro> even if it's not technically perfect
16:55:35 <pollo> did you like one model in particular?
16:55:55 <pollo> it seems to me the "pre-recorded talk + QA" model wasn't great in terms of engagement
16:56:14 <olasd> I don't remember the core debian teams participating in the two fully remote DebConfs more than they did in recent on-site events
16:56:22 <pollo> we've always tried not to do live remote talks, because of how flaky it can be
16:57:17 <pollo> I'd be more open to "In person panel + some people remote"
16:57:38 <terceiro> that could work
16:58:12 <pollo> but I think if we go that way, we need a strict limit. Not all BoFs can be that
16:58:38 <terceiro> as long as we settle on restrictions beforehand, I think we can handle
16:58:47 <terceiro> i.e. a single room where this is supported etc
16:59:13 <pollo> it's not really a question of room / hardware, more that it requires a lot more manual work
16:59:29 <olasd> it's definitely also a question of room / hardware
16:59:55 <pollo> ok fair enough, we can't have 3 remote talks rooms :P
16:59:55 <olasd> running around in 3 different venues for mixed-attendance panels last year was unsustainable
17:00:17 <olasd> so, indeed, let's not do that again!
17:01:31 <pollo> food for thoughts. I'll keep the topic in the agenda so we can continue this discussion, but I'd encourage terceiro and the content team to propose something well defined and see if it works for us
17:01:48 <terceiro> pollo: that works for me
17:01:52 <terceiro> thank you
17:01:52 <olasd> I mean, I'm fine with mixed attendance panels, as long as we have someone identified on site to handle the rounding up of people and making sure that connectivity works
17:02:33 <terceiro> we discussed having someone(s) from content be champions for remote presenters
17:02:39 <terceiro> they could do that
17:02:55 <olasd> we've done these for a long time in practice and our setup works okay. with the gstreamer jitsi pipeline stuff (which we need to play with) we should be able to improve the "feedback loop" a lot
17:03:09 <olasd> (by feeding the voctomix video sources into jitsi)
17:04:23 <pollo> anything else?
17:04:25 <olasd> should we move on?
17:04:28 <olasd> ha
17:04:32 <pollo> #topic Cambridge UK Mini-DC post-mortem
17:04:47 <pollo> has the final review been done?
17:05:03 <olasd> not by me, so no idea 0:-)
17:05:21 <pollo> I don't think videos have been published?
17:06:09 <pollo> #action pollo to do final review of the Cambridge mini-DC videos if needed
17:06:11 <olasd> emanuele was working on the yaml files
17:06:24 <olasd> (a couple of days ago)
17:06:31 <olasd> and tumbleweed was reviewing them
17:06:34 <pollo> I have some time, I'll try to push things
17:06:54 <pollo> anything else to report about that mini-dc we should know about?
17:07:15 <olasd> we tried playing with the hdcp stripper but I don't think we've been able to determine if it worked or not
17:07:25 <olasd> so this still needs to happen
17:07:51 <pollo> #info stripping HDCP seemed complex and unreliable. Needs more debug
17:08:23 <olasd> well, more like "we're not sure the sources were doing HDCP, nor whether the HDMI splitter in the room advertised it"
17:08:47 <olasd> clearly we need to go back to Kochi and reuse the projectors there
17:08:51 <olasd> :P
17:08:52 <pollo> fun times. Macbooks I guess?
17:09:06 <olasd> macbooks and chromebooks
17:09:14 <olasd> IIRC
17:09:32 <pollo> #topic Berlin mini-DC (May 14-21)
17:09:52 <pollo> We got a mail about this on our ML, but no one replied
17:10:10 <pollo> I certainly won't be there :)
17:10:18 <olasd> pff, lazy pollo
17:10:39 <pollo> all I need is a Montreal-Berlin train!
17:12:07 <pollo> anyway, if people are up to it, please reply on the ML
17:12:09 <olasd> so, I'm keen on going; I'm also keen on bringing minimal hardware if possible, for once, I'll answer petn-randall and get things going with c3voc
17:12:33 <olasd> see if we can borrow hardware and deploy our stack on it
17:12:52 <pollo> hmm, funky audio mixers with software defined knobs :P
17:12:57 <paddatrapper> I'd like to go, but not sure how it will work logistically
17:13:10 <olasd> paddatrapper: it's just a couple of trains! :P
17:13:18 <olasd> no excuses accepted
17:13:24 <olasd> (yeah, I know)
17:13:45 <paddatrapper> My last trip to Berlin involved more planes than I really wanted...
17:13:52 * pollo makes a bad joke about flooded tunnels
17:13:53 <paddatrapper> It's more logistics around work, but I'll see what I can organise
17:14:06 <pollo> #topic AoB
17:14:33 <olasd> any others doing FOSDEM? (not specifically video)
17:14:53 * h01ger 
17:15:11 <paddatrapper> I am not - we're back in CT around that time for a bit
17:16:27 <pollo> #topic Next Meeting
17:16:46 <pollo> next week? I can't remember if we said weekly or bi-weekly last time
17:16:59 <olasd> I think 2 weeks is enough for now
17:17:29 <pollo> #agreed Next meeting: Thursday January 25th, 16:30 UTC
17:17:33 <pollo> #endmeeting