18:05:53 #startmeeting 18:05:53 Meeting started Tue Oct 2 18:05:53 2018 UTC. The chair is paddatrapper. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:05:53 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:06:28 #topic roll call 18:06:33 * olasd rolls 18:06:38 Please say hello! 18:06:41 hi 18:06:49 Agenda: http://deb.li/3aA7s 18:07:03 If you want to add anything feel free to just edit it 18:08:48 #topic Audio Hardware follow-up 18:08:51 I guess we can start the actual meeting? 18:08:53 hah. 18:09:11 So I've updated the wiki here, but haven't got further 18:09:18 olasd: you read my mind :) 18:09:42 While in Cambridge for BBQ I retrieved the mixer that was sponsored for us 18:10:10 #info olasd retreived our mixer 18:10:45 hello 18:11:00 I guess the next step is to get clear pricing so that we can approach DPL for approval 18:11:11 https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebConf/Video/VideoTeamDocs/NewVideoTeamHardware#Front_of_House_Rack 18:11:25 Prices are estimated from various online sources 18:11:25 the kit we priced out before seemed a little on the pricy side 18:11:55 tumbleweed: yeah, so I dropped the mics down to reasonable prices (shaved 8k UDSD) 18:12:03 s/UDSD/USD/ 18:12:03 /that/ shopping list looks doable 18:12:14 yeah, it does 18:12:34 Shall I try get approval from DPL? 18:12:53 when do we want to buy? 18:12:57 where would we want to buy? 18:13:00 who would rack the stuff? 18:13:09 how many would we buy? 1? 18:13:10 (we need to think these out before we ask for approval) 18:13:28 where would the stuff be stored? 18:13:36 AIUI we want 1 room to start 18:13:50 I think 1 room is a good start indeed 18:13:55 does by the end of the year sound reasonable? 18:13:59 ivodd: I'm guessing Paris? olasd? 18:14:21 tumbleweed: sure, but it would be good to have olasd confirm :) 18:14:22 I'm happy to do the actual racking, Cape Town is just out of the way for gear 18:14:38 paddatrapper: we have to get you to a sprint, then :) 18:14:46 tumbleweed: sounds like a plan :) 18:14:55 (which is another point on the agenda) 18:15:15 yeah, storing should be doable 18:15:19 olasd: nice 18:15:55 #info we can store the rack in Paris with the rest of our equipment 18:16:10 who would buy the stuff? debian france? 18:16:11 I'm still not 100% convinced of the logistics of moving a 6U rack around 18:16:15 #action paddatrapper will rack the gear once we have it 18:16:36 olasd: do you think it would be easier if the gear wasn't racked? 18:16:36 it's nice to have discrete cases that you can mix and match 18:16:41 We would need to find a different way yeah... 18:16:52 or do you want smaller cases? 18:16:56 quick release racks 18:17:02 tumbleweed: lol 18:17:02 or the mini 2U / 3U rack flight cases 18:17:57 And then have multiple flight cases? 18:18:24 the rack is cheap enough that we can try it out, and break things up into smaller racks later if we wanted to 18:18:27 paddatrapper: yeah 18:18:40 tumbleweed: that is a good idea 18:18:40 what even takes 6U in there? 18:18:49 4 receivers, presumably half-width = 2U 18:19:01 switch goes in a tray 18:19:08 PDU = 1U, fraction of the depth 18:19:11 2U mics, 1U storage, 1U Opsis 18:19:11 in the wiki the opsis is in the same rack 18:19:16 that might be better separate 18:19:26 Can't remember what the other 2U is 18:19:36 mixer 18:19:53 which presumably comes out fo the mixer and goes to the back of house? 18:19:57 err out of the case 18:20:24 Ah: 2U drawers, 1U antena 18:20:43 So 2U mics, 2U storage, 1U opsis, 1U antena 18:21:08 how deep is the antenna thing? 18:21:14 it could possibly go in the back side 18:21:34 ivodd: having it in the rack makes the satge look neater 18:21:55 paddatrapper: not necessarily 18:21:59 the opsis needs to be really close to the presenter 18:22:00 the audio rack can be behind the scenes 18:22:03 tumbleweed: possibly. I think it is 9" (So half length) 18:22:04 opsis needs to be by the podium, yeah 18:22:18 it depends on the stage layout 18:22:28 though it includes DI boxes, which also need to be close 18:22:42 presumably those are just in the storage? 18:23:14 can do it that way, sure 18:24:19 I would try to mount everyting in the case, and put it on the floor next to the lectern 18:24:41 that was my thinking 18:24:52 https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebConf/Video/VideoTeamDocs/NewVideoTeamHardware?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=frontofhouserack.odg 18:25:01 this is the mockup RattusRattus drew up 18:25:36 di boxes and switches and wall wart power supplies and all the cables.. yuck. 18:25:56 hide all the things behind closed doors 18:26:13 :) 18:27:10 So we still have the question of timing, but that can wait for the sprint discussion 18:27:44 Anything else here? 18:28:30 not from my side 18:28:42 #topic Next sprint 18:29:04 pollo suggests around FOSDEM again (3&4 Feb) 18:30:01 try to stay clear of LCA 18:30:04 (fosdem is 2 and 3 feb, not 3 and 4) 18:31:04 I'm just trying to find when I start uni next year 18:31:20 #info fosdem is 2&3 Feb 18:32:09 as always I'm a bit wary of moving hardware "just" for a sprint 18:32:30 +1 18:32:33 but brussels is basically the suburbs of Paris so I don't mind _that_ much 18:32:43 :P 18:32:47 I start on 28 Jan, so can't do anything after that for a month or two 18:33:06 boo 18:33:22 so, sprint at LCA? :P 18:33:24 yeah post-grad sucks... :P 18:34:04 Could do fosdem and then later in the year too 18:34:15 there is always a sprint before lca 18:34:17 a timvideos sprint 18:34:41 tumbleweed: Well - always is a bit strong :-P 18:34:42 in NZ 18:35:38 mithro: ok, expected tob e :P 18:36:34 who would be interested in a fosdem sprint? 18:37:06 what would be the agenda for such a sprint? 18:37:20 I guess there's upgrading the setup to stretch 18:37:29 buster* 18:37:45 there are always docs to update too 18:38:12 If I can somehow make it and we have equipment we could rack new gear 18:39:06 I know highvoltage is working on a tally system,he could be interested in continueing that 18:39:31 if I'm receiving the hardware it's likely that I'll rack most of it before transporting it 18:39:48 volunteer system development 18:39:54 * pollo waves 18:40:00 #info LCA is 21-25 Jan 18:40:10 it's a timeshifted pollo 18:40:11 sorry I'm late, a water pipe burst in an appartment in my housing coop 18:40:15 pollo: \o 18:40:20 woo 18:40:21 had to take care of it 18:40:23 oh nooze 18:41:00 I'm only now realizing how much sense it makes that you live in a coop 18:41:08 heh 18:41:58 paddatrapper: Did you see the tally system micolous did at the most recent PyCon using the Tomu boards? 18:42:15 mithro: link? 18:42:15 mithro: no I didn't 18:42:33 anyway, yeah, I'd be available for a pre or post-fosdem sprint 18:42:42 as for the sprint, I'm up for anything 18:42:50 we would need a venue 18:43:04 I'm writing my master's thesis this winter so I have time to spare 18:43:12 #info fosdem sprint looks promising. There are some ideas for things to do 18:43:14 is it to be in a event? 18:43:27 * highvoltage tries to catch up 18:44:02 I wasn't there last year, but wasn't the place we used that wouter got us nice? 18:44:11 if we can get it again it would be nice 18:44:13 phls: what do you mean? 18:44:28 that place would work well again 18:44:33 the sprint needs to be the same date other event? 18:44:46 phls: ah, not really, but it is nice 18:44:46 phls: it helps if it close to some event 18:44:57 more incentive for people to come 18:45:59 So I guess we should poke wouter to see if we can get that space again? 18:46:01 or we could sprint in the AirBNB you had rented, as long as we don't party after hours :P 18:46:12 heh 18:46:26 there is Campus Party Brasil in feb 12-17 in Sao Paulo 18:46:32 after Fosdem 18:47:35 the event has tables and camping tent to sleep indoor :-) 18:48:03 phls: I think the idea is also that at lot of the team (and the gear) is already in Europe 18:48:06 hmm, tumbleweed that might be good timing for a reccie too ^^^ 18:48:11 so it's more convenient for a sprint 18:48:30 #info Campus Party Brasil in Sao Paulo - 12-17 Feb 18:48:34 pollo, sure 18:48:50 I mean, I don't mind being sent to Brazil 18:48:56 the budget will be a little different 18:49:11 paddatrapper: Poke micolous in the #timvideos channel 18:49:17 mithro: sure will do 18:49:26 yes, if its easier to do in europe, make sense 18:49:44 olasd: budget difference would depend on who is coming (and from where) 18:49:54 ivodd: true 18:50:07 and the amount of gear that has to be present at the sprint 18:50:21 all true 18:50:53 if we all go to curitiba, the next agenda item gets a lot easier :) 18:51:19 we can budget both and see :P 18:51:24 Sao Paulo != Curitiba though 18:51:28 I guess we don't need to choose one now - shall I put it to the ML and see the outcome? But essentially early Feb somewhere on Earth :) 18:51:38 paddatrapper: +1 18:51:57 #action paddatrapper to put sprint to mailing list 18:52:17 paddatrapper: can you action me to ask wouter about the space rental? 18:52:17 Anything else? 18:52:39 #action pollo to ask wouter about the space rental in Brussels 18:52:45 if .be doesn't pan out we can figure out something in Paris 18:53:07 #info could potentially do something in Paris instead 18:53:21 #topic Preparations for DC19 18:53:59 phls: do you know what rooms/spaces will be the talk rooms yet? 18:54:37 I know auditorium and miniauditoruim. We need to see the others 3 rooms 18:55:04 especially the third room with streaming 18:55:34 phls: we will likely ask you to rent some stuff for the videoteam 18:55:46 pollo, ok 18:55:47 for that we will need to have a map of the rooms 18:55:48 for the third room, a classroom setup such as what we had in montreal would work well I believe 18:55:51 ok. could we get maps/layouts of the rooms and details of existing equipment so we can start working out what equipment we need to bring/hire? 18:56:09 yes 18:56:10 not that it's on-topic for this meeting 18:56:11 paddatrapper: I have already scoped the two auditoria, and have photos (but not maps) 18:56:28 tumbleweed: are those somewhere accessible? 18:56:38 paddatrapper, yes 18:56:51 #info tumbleweed has photos of the two auditoria 18:57:05 phls: you might want to read https://debconf-video-team.pages.debian.net/docs/venue_checklist.html 18:57:07 #action phls to get maps/layouts of the rooms and details of existing equipment 18:57:10 pollo: thanks 18:57:13 it will give you a global idea of what we need 18:57:21 phls: thanks * 18:57:40 Paddatrapper: https://www.dropbox.com/sc/l78pzqn3goz46wy/AABbdnRX3Y_YNkLclVA0pL1Fa 18:57:57 (can only get album links via the android app, silly dropbox) 18:59:09 phls: do you have the details for FTSL? 18:59:10 should I consider use mics with wire? 18:59:42 the ambiet mics are usually wired 18:59:47 because I know there are mics with and withoud wire there 18:59:52 the rest are wireless 19:00:13 wired mics work just fine for questions, from a a mic stand at the front 19:00:24 wireless is just more flexible 19:00:44 paddatrapper, what did you ask about FTSL? 19:00:59 if the wired is there, it's good to have as a backup if the wireless doesn't work (very well), but wireless is clearly better 19:01:04 In the agenda: Comment by Paulo: on October 24-26 we will be at venue working at FTSL (free software event). It will be a good time to see the hardware there. 19:01:12 Is that as in the end of this month? 19:01:24 paddatrapper, yes 19:01:50 ivodd: have to poke micolous don't know the current status 19:02:08 phls: cool. That is very useful to know 19:02:16 paddatrapper: the hardware that's there is pretty basic 19:02:18 we will have a Debian track there, and we will try to record the talks using Opsis 19:02:49 tumbleweed: do you have pictures of the equipment? 19:02:49 I agree with tumbleweed 19:02:54 #info FTSL is 24-26 October and in the same venue as CDC19. It will mean a rough dry run 19:03:06 ivodd: there seem to be in the dropbox folder 19:03:14 they have a pair of wireless mics in each auditorium, I believe 19:03:19 ivodd: yes, in that dropbox 19:03:27 ok, will have a look 19:04:06 tumbleweed: do you remember the projector config? pictures seem to be lacking on that side 19:04:27 pollo: I think there was VGA from the front 19:04:31 pollo, at mini it is HDMI. At auditorium is VGA 19:04:49 both have cable to the stage 19:04:55 phls: please confirm that and what model/make mics they 19:04:57 I'm tempted to suggest a bold idea for audio: can we just rent everything so that we're sure of what we're getting, and just wire our feed directly into the venue PA? 19:05:14 olasd: I am definitely leaning towards that, yes 19:05:22 ivodd: you can see the auditorium vga in one of the floor boxes 19:05:31 +1, dc18 mix and match was a pita 19:05:32 we keep being disappointed by venue equipment 19:05:39 removes the guess-the-venue factor 19:05:46 olasd: that's not very bold - I agree with it 19:06:11 #info we will rent all audio for DC19, feeding directly into the venue PA 19:06:33 Makes my life easy too 19:06:37 well 19:06:54 you don't know what brazilian audio kit rental companies are like yet ;) 19:06:56 you will tell me how many mics we will rent, right? 19:07:03 phls: yup 19:07:05 the most likely existing equipmeent we use is the mixer, and some wired mics 19:07:12 and that stuff is dirt cheap to hire, anyway (or should be) 19:07:29 we'd end up hiring wireless mics anyway 19:07:32 It is all listed in our docs, but I will customise it to include cabling, etc specific to DC19 19:08:41 #topic AoB 19:08:41 tumbleweed: is the projector acceptable (using the vga)? 19:08:45 it'd also be nice for once to have three identical mixers in the rooms 19:08:52 ivodd: we didn't try it. But HDMI-VGA works 19:09:02 #topic Preparations for DC19 19:09:03 sorry 19:09:07 it's super high up, but we could also run a cable if we had to 19:09:21 in those pics, first 6 are mini-auditorium. Then main auditorium 19:09:31 then classroms, and finally mini auditorium back stage 19:09:46 i have to go now, I will read later 19:10:21 I think we're prety much finished with DC19 stuff for now anyway 19:10:26 #topic AoB 19:10:48 Anything else? 19:10:50 One of our hdmi/sdi capture cards is on its way to be smuggled to brazil by way of germany and canada 19:11:18 o_O 19:11:35 * pollo plays the pink panther theme song 19:11:44 #info One of our hdmi/sdi capture cards is on its way to be smuggled to brazil by way of germany and canada 19:11:55 always minute smuggling 19:12:27 phls wanted to have one of the blackmagic cards to try it out, so we're using the fact that koike and some germans are attending the cloud sprint to do the transfer 19:12:52 sounds good. More people who know how to use our setup, the better 19:13:09 *nod* 19:13:50 #topic Next meeting 19:13:53 I suppose it is a normal sized card so I can put in my backpack? 19:14:08 koike: it's a low profile pci express card, so yeah it's tiny 19:14:10 koike: yup, it's small 19:14:15 awesome 19:14:16 I shipped it in an envelope as a letter 19:14:45 I guess next meeting in 1 month? 19:15:04 so 6th nov, from 18:00 to 19:00 UTC? 19:15:12 I am here now :-) maybe we can rent a hdmi projector to use ? 19:15:13 works for me 19:15:26 yeah, also an option 19:15:29 wfm (probably) 19:15:33 there is space at the front of the balcony to put it on 19:15:46 I think the projector that is there may already do HDMI anyway 19:15:50 we couldn't get close enough to see 19:16:18 Auditorium is vga :-( 19:16:23 #info next meeting on 6 November at 18:00 UTC 19:16:33 Hdmi at mini 19:16:46 sorry again for coming in late, happy you started without me 19:17:01 #endmeeting