19:01:10 #startmeeting 19:01:10 Meeting started Wed Jul 13 19:01:10 2011 UTC. The chair is h01ger. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:01:10 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:01:28 #topic hi - welcome to the team and thanks for joining (again or for the first time) 19:01:57 right, gotcha :) 19:01:58 * h01ger is happy to be in the videoteam and doing this work with you 19:02:41 anybody else here? 19:02:48 (now :) 19:03:01 doesn't look like it 19:03:22 I'm here, but don't claim to be videoteam 19:03:32 * h01ger gives it a moment, bwh was on #debconf a moment ago 19:03:41 Q_ was, too 19:04:28 for the "hi team" status interesting: the videoteam will get 70 tshirts this year (compared to 50 in NYC) - and i plan to make use of that many volunteers too ;) 19:04:57 I'm here. 19:05:00 I'm here 19:05:03 that's nice, I guess :) 19:05:54 hi 19:06:02 h01ger: I assume you'll go to the meeting tomorrow? 19:06:11 zobel will be our admin helper this year and darst also wants to help from NYC 19:06:21 Q_, which? i'm still in .de 19:06:36 Q_: was something on the mailinglist 19:06:40 from pabs, IIRC 19:07:11 * h01ger doubts in any case. i'm thinking of closing my irc client tomorrow during the day.. 19:07:12 #debconf-meeting or something 19:07:29 wasnt that yesterday? anyway... 19:07:34 no, tomorrow. 19:07:39 And mailed today? :) 19:08:34 even though we are not many here+now, http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf11/Videoteam/Help lists 27 people already. this might be a record (pre conf) or not :) 19:08:39 #topic hw status 19:08:47 #topic hardware status 19:08:59 the irill shipment should arrive in BL tomorrow 19:09:12 that is: 4 cameras (2 real proper ones with xlr) 19:09:27 our audio/video gear (mics, cables, mixers, 2 twinpacts, fw cables) 19:09:42 * zobel says hi 19:09:58 and 5 servers from t-k, 1 storage for video, 2 encoding iirc, and 2 "main infrastruicture" servers 19:10:05 So we're now going to declare things in adance to customs? 19:10:16 Q_, that has already happened in fact 19:10:35 and we're using an ata_carnet (wikiepedia it), which basically means we dont have to pay customs 19:10:40 And we actually have a proper inventory of everything that was in it? 19:10:45 yes 19:10:50 except the cable details 19:10:57 thats just a bunch :) 19:11:05 I already did look up wikipedia about it today. 19:11:15 plus, on the 19th (tuesday) bdale will arrive with 6 laptops from HP, which we can keep 19:11:22 on hardware, looks like I might have lost one tally light, but I don't think that's critical, is it? 19:11:37 oh, and one headset too, but I guess that's even less critical :-) 19:11:40 (pesky details of them having to go back to the states first, included - but thats not really relevant here+now) 19:11:44 Yoe: The ones we didn't use last year? :) 19:11:55 Q_: the ones we only used or half the conference last year 19:12:05 s/or/for/ 19:12:18 I thought it wasn't even that much. :) 19:12:38 h01ger: hilight me on urgent stuff. #spi anual meeting i need to attend as board member (or at least: i should) 19:12:51 zobel, ack. shouldnt be any. wont 19:13:20 besides that http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf11/Videoteam/Hardware only lists small stuff from Yoe, bwh and me - and a little local rent 19:13:23 So do we have a list of things we need? 19:13:28 (speakers and PA) 19:13:33 Q_, that url.. 19:14:06 for me, hw things are clear, but i'm happy to explain a bit before going to the next topic, which is "hw backup" 19:14:51 bwh, we do need your tally lights and from Yoe the 2 switches (and from me the 4 harddrives) 19:15:01 s/tally lights/tripods/ - gosh :) 19:15:12 sorry for confusing you there :-) 19:15:15 So how many rooms will there be? 19:15:38 2 19:15:45 right 19:15:52 I thought it was the same deal like last year, that is, three but only two videoed? 19:15:57 we'll have 2 rooms on the first=ground floor to cover 19:16:19 Yoe, yeah probably, butr that 3rd room is totally unclear and is definitly not videoed 19:16:20 h01ger: Yes, I will bring the tripods 19:16:41 h01ger: And what's available in the rooms? 19:16:45 the big room is a fancy concert hall type of room 19:16:52 Since I only see 1 PA system on that list? 19:16:58 with stage equipment and mixers and speakers 19:17:01 and pa 19:17:16 we'll find out what they really have soon :p 19:17:25 the small room lacks PA+speakers, but has a nice ceiling where we can sit and put our gear 19:17:35 see the pics from morays and my BL trip in may 19:17:42 url? 19:17:43 s/ceiling/balcony/ 19:17:51 both rooms have balconies that can be used 19:18:00 and probably will be wanted for cabling, at minimum 19:18:01 * h01ger asks moray to provide url 19:18:08 or this duckduck thing 19:18:09 gallery.debconf.org /something 19:18:22 [am cooking dinner] 19:18:29 gallery and you see it 19:18:38 Will look later. 19:18:43 we shall have 1gb uplink, about to be confirmed working tomorrow 19:18:46 h01ger, https://gallery.debconf.org/v/debconf11/trailer/ 19:19:12 more questions to the basic setup? 19:19:13 h01ger: Do we have a separate network cable for us? 19:19:24 we'll use squeeze like last year, only that it has been released by now 19:19:33 * Yoe grins 19:19:34 Q_, yes. Yoe brings 2 gigabit switches for us 19:19:48 and we allocated 1000m cat5 cable to buy 19:19:55 yeah. I still have to pack them, but hey, I was supposed to be at this meeting :-) 19:20:00 5e I assume. 19:20:01 zobel will need helping hands for this on monday 19:20:16 should I bring my cable-making gear? 19:20:22 and we have cams which can do xlr 19:20:25 only one extra small box in the car, wuoldn't be an issue 19:20:32 those cams are brand new and untested though ;) 19:20:54 Yoe: it wouldn't hurt 19:20:55 the big room has a mixer and we have 2 mixers too 19:21:08 I'll bring it, then 19:21:15 Yoe: Does that include the plugs? :) Afaik there are a few different types. 19:21:31 right. the switches we have (if Yoe forgets his) can do vlans, so even without we might be able to manage :) 19:21:38 Do we need to move equipment at night (particularly the cameras)? 19:21:45 anyway... next topic or more qeustions about the basic hw setup? 19:21:48 Q_: yeah, well, if you buy the wrong ones you'll get one less crimptang 19:22:00 bwh, for insurance reasons we'll probably have to, yes 19:22:05 Tapes? 19:22:14 p2memory cards instead of tapes 19:22:22 Q_: Yes there will be duct tape ;-) 19:22:23 we have 4 32gb cards 19:22:36 btw, if you can bring duct tape, please do 19:22:53 I still have a leftover duct tape, would be happy to be rid of it :-) 19:22:58 h01ger: They don't have any stores around there with ducktape? :) 19:23:22 Q_, dunno. so its definitly easier to bring a roll or 2 19:23:46 I would be very surprised if they wouldn't have it, but I'll bring mine anyway 19:24:31 Yoe, finding a store, going there, coming back might take 2-3h, so if you have it, bring it 19:24:38 #topic hw backup 19:24:45 exactly, that's why I'm planning to bring it 19:24:58 .. and soldering iron if you got one 19:25:03 i'm not concerned about the irill shipment, if it fails, we have lots of time to hack on debian... ;) 19:25:19 How much time fits on those 32 gb things? 19:25:32 zumbi: you serious about that? I can bring one, but it's not mine (it's philip's); if you really need one, you got it 19:25:35 but i'm a bit concerned about the laptops from hp (the ata_carnet still has to be done) 19:25:39 Q_, ~4h 19:26:00 zumbi: I think we actually have a soldering iron in one of those boxes. 19:26:03 so i would like to ask you to bring pci-firewire cards so that in worst case we can ask localteam for pcs... 19:26:05 At least, we used to. 19:26:10 there is one 19:26:15 i saw it and touched it 19:26:20 h01ger: you mean expresscard, right? 19:26:29 Yoe, no, i mean p2cards 19:26:29 I put one in the box earlier today 19:26:34 ah 19:26:51 firewire cards i mean $whatever, pci, expresscards, whatever 19:27:04 and I'll be bringing this laptop, too, which has an experdcard slot, in case it's needed 19:27:38 so please bring fw cards (just 1-2) 19:27:58 Yoe: I just remember it was needed to solder some RCA connectors to coax cable (at DC9) 19:28:12 (that's on the wiki, fwiw, so this isn't all that important) 19:28:16 okay... 19:28:25 zumbi: I'll just put it in the car 19:28:27 who will bring some fw-cards? 19:28:34 if you want extra hardware, you should tell more than video team people, I'm sure others have it 19:28:44 but maybe you'll get too much then :) 19:28:53 better to have too much than too little 19:28:56 * h01ger just wants fw cards atm, in case laptops fail 19:29:17 what's the chance of that happening? 19:29:33 bdale will be there on the 19th and i'm 97% sure he will be there with laptops. but just in case it would be a pity to lack firewire hardware 19:29:45 * h01ger trusts bdale a bit 19:29:58 (for some large values of bit) 19:30:06 * Yoe trusts bdale (for no value of bit) 19:30:39 but if you have spare firewire cards, put them between some thirts + bring them 19:30:39 but yeah, being extra sure won't hurt 19:30:45 btw, BL will be hot :) 19:30:48 Do you think we need more of that p2 memory? 19:30:59 Q_, no 19:31:14 i think we'll store everything on the server and will never read them 19:31:17 wikipedia claims 2h8m for those 32 GB cards in dvpro mode. 19:31:38 dvpro is the mode where you do 40 minutes of a 60 minute DV tape 19:31:47 so it's going to be more, actually 19:31:51 so 3h 19:32:16 No 19:32:31 DVCPRO has more error-correction on tape, but the basic bit rate is the same as consumer DV 19:32:35 key is to have teams distributed like we had last year in NYC (where we only started too late..) - this year we have those penta-howto-docs already.. 19:32:46 bwh: oh. Okay. 19:32:50 so people do reviews while others record 19:33:23 if someone can bring a 2tb disk (or 2) that would be awesome too. (for a 2nd nfs server as well as to take the data home) 19:34:03 though this year we could even copy the data at irill, before giving the servers back. but i would like to avoid more work for those heros at irill (/me waves to zack, mehdi & Sylvestre :) 19:34:27 next topic= 19:34:28 ? 19:34:36 sure 19:35:11 #topic software 19:35:36 which dvswitch version are we using? 19:35:47 streaming + penta are my notes from the agenda... and i already mentioned "squeeze" 19:35:50 So is there a better version of theora in squeeze than what we had last year? 19:35:56 * h01ger leaves that to upstream :) 19:36:04 bwh: ? 19:36:27 I think we wanted to backports lots of things, but then gave up or something? 19:36:41 Don't know but squeeze has libtheora 1.1.1 19:36:50 And I'm not sure what we ran exactly last year. 19:37:11 Maybe we can do WebM? 19:37:29 that'd be nice, if we have the time to invest in that 19:37:39 I want to work on PEnta first though 19:37:44 * h01ger will look at fai + software stack on the train on saturday... starting on saturday... we have last years sources+source pakcage names in the first place.. i dont expect that to be too hard/much work 19:37:49 1.1.1 is at least the last release. 19:38:28 WebM would be awesome, but i'd suggest to first get the known-to-work-solution to work again :) and start with webM on tuesday or so 19:38:39 yeah, that'd work for me 19:38:49 WebM *should* just be a case of ading another row in the database 19:39:01 Yoe, when will you arrive? you do have a laptop which we could use for dvswitch for first tests, right? 19:39:05 and adding another dvsink-command 19:39:11 h01ger: somewhere on the 17th 19:39:19 Yoe, and you bring a laptop+cam? 19:39:20 Yoe: If you want to stream it, yeah 19:39:25 h01ger: yeah 19:39:38 Yoe, cool 19:39:41 I guess theora can't make use of multiple cores? 19:39:49 so we can start early+distributed 19:40:02 ie test the software when the audio cabling is still being done, and so on 19:40:12 yeah, that works 19:40:21 Yoe, and we can erase the harddisk? (if not, i have one i could bring) 19:40:27 Q_: Mmm, don't know 19:40:35 h01ger: no, you can't. 19:40:42 Yoe, sata or pata? 19:40:52 h01ger: there's a Windows installation on there that I need to be able to update my car GPS 19:40:57 sata, I think. Let me check 19:41:15 yeah, it has ahci loaded 19:41:24 it's a core2duo, would be weird if it wasn't sata :-) 19:41:37 bwh: Afaik, last year they were only using 1 core to do the stream encoding, and we had to change the parameters because it couldn't keep up. 19:41:40 ok, thats a bit harder but imo doable. Yoe, else we could reinstall the linux partition, or? 19:41:40 hp 2230s if it matters 19:41:49 yeah, you can do that 19:42:04 that is, I'll make sure you can by the time I get there :-) 19:42:09 Yoe, cool 19:42:28 thats fine. we use d-i+preseeding into fai, with manual partitioning, so that works nicely 19:42:44 h01ger: alternatively, if you can just do a dd of the windows partition before you wipe it and put it back before you return it to me, that's fine as well 19:42:58 it's "only" 40G 19:43:16 heh 19:43:29 streaming! 19:43:50 Ganneff, i assume we can use "your" (with and without quotes) servers again? 19:44:17 and penta, the version we're using has all our patches i assume... 19:46:43 * h01ger hopes that "yes" is the answer to both and assumes that Ganneff will reply later... 19:46:52 next topic would be AOB 19:46:58 which is what, exactly? 19:47:04 :) 19:47:15 any other business 19:47:18 oh,okay 19:47:48 * h01ger has hoped for a 30min meeting but actually 45min is pretty good too, considering its really the first one ;) 19:47:54 s/has/had/ 19:49:04 #topic AOB 19:49:54 bwh, when will you arrive? Q_ ? tiago ? 19:51:23 h01ger: 19th 19:51:31 +tassia 19:51:40 cool! 19:51:47 :) count on us 19:51:48 tiago, happy backlog reading ;) 19:51:51 h01ger: Ask the organiser 19:51:54 tiago, will happily do 19:52:07 bwh, heh 19:53:24 21st 19:53:39 Very late 19:54:22 there's a wiki which tells you these things :) 19:55:22 uh. point 19:55:46 no p2-mate on this wiki page :( 19:56:05 p2-mate: weren't you coming by car, too? 19:56:16 I am 19:56:22 h01ger: which wikipage? 19:56:36 I'm arriving 23/7 19:57:17 * h01ger is really happy about the hw setup this year and hopes it will work out (and work much better in the next years) and is curious how your feelings about dc11 video are... will we have a smoother conf? thats at least my goal 8-) 19:57:36 p2-mate, http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf11/Videoteam/Help add yourself there :) 19:57:51 p2-mate: you're a funny guy, you know that? 19:58:00 first you mention the wiki page, then you go 'which wiki page?' 19:58:05 well, I thought you already knew I would be helping out :) not much for setting up though 19:58:20 Yoe: well, I was refering to the arrivals wikipage :P 19:58:32 (i'm also very happy about the videoteam itself, but thats nothing new ;) 20:00:34 h01ger: the team is growing :D 20:00:53 * h01ger cheers Corneliu1W! 20:01:27 i feel that while we have someone playing h01ger (even being h01ger himself) we'll do a good job in video stuff 20:01:36 h01ger: yes 20:01:43 Ganneff, wunderbar! 20:01:46 how are you? to much organisation stress? 20:01:50 i 20:02:38 why does https://penta.debconf.org/penta/volunteer/schedule show 2009 dates? :) 20:02:43 Corneliu1W, i'm good, thanks! dc11 organisation+preparation is coming together nicely and soon we'll all be at a great conf "down under"! ;) 20:02:44 i'm a bit distant from video stuff this year due to other DC issues, but it takes only few hours to become fully involved again 20:02:47 cos you didnt select dc11? 20:03:58 Corneliu1W, video preperations _are_ very smooth and IMO good too, so what could possibly go wrong? 20:04:13 everything :) 20:04:16 * h01ger bows and looks forward to see you all soon! 20:04:19 #endmeeting