19:01:59 #startmeeting 19:01:59 Meeting started Tue Jun 22 19:01:59 2010 UTC. The chair is edrz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:01:59 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:02:26 anyone else interested in chairing? 19:02:49 Do we have an agenda? 19:03:06 http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/Videoteam/Meetings#Meeting_Agenda:_Tuesday.2C_22nd_June.2C_19:00_UTC 19:03:11 Q_: of sorts. 19:03:20 so, 19:03:20 :D 19:03:27 #topic software 19:04:11 we (MrBiege, simonft, edrz, some CU chemistry people) did a little 1 day stream + recording thing. 19:04:23 just using what's in lenny 19:04:28 everything worked well enough. 19:04:35 (I backported dvswitch though) 19:04:40 ok 19:05:07 + ubuntu on michelle's laptop, one of the last two releases 19:05:12 Right, newer dvswitch is probably always prefered. 19:05:26 the main thing I would like to have is the fade feature. 19:05:49 hi all 19:05:50 but, that is only in the devel branch which is not currently in a releasable state 19:05:51 dvswitch will not run on Ubuntu Karmic. Lucid and Jaunty are fine. 19:05:54 tiagovaz: hi 19:06:07 CarlFK: we'll be using lenny + backports. 19:06:17 CarlFK: Who cares about ubuntu releases? 19:06:18 (unless someone objects) 19:06:35 Q_: apparently Michelle :) 19:06:44 anyway. 19:06:56 we have a working stack in lenny. 19:07:35 if enough people time can be dedicated it would be good to: 1) release dvswitch with the fade feature + any bug fixes. 19:08:06 2) backport libtheora0 since there are significant encoder improvements 19:08:07 Ben isn't comming, right? 19:08:13 Q_: correct 19:08:58 3) backport ffmpeg 19:09:08 edrz: As I understand things, the encoder has much improvements for things that don't change alot, which is basicly what we have? 19:09:31 4) backport ffmpeg2theora (preferrably after getting it upgraded in testing/unstable) 19:09:50 5) rebuild other stuff as needed for 1-4 19:10:16 Q_: yeah. something like that. :) 19:10:28 So is anybody volunteering to do that part? 19:10:42 * edrz will try ... but wouldn't mind some help. 19:11:06 i'll try backport stuff 19:11:11 tiagovaz: great 19:11:29 also, for at least ffmpeg2theora there are newer releases. 19:11:53 #action tiagovaz and edrz (at least) will work on backporting stuff 19:12:00 Last year we had to change the settings a few times 19:12:01 for those I consider upstream if they don't go to sid in time 19:12:08 Q_: settings of what? 19:12:14 The encoders 19:12:29 in order to accomplish what goal, exactly? 19:12:36 To keep them working? :) 19:12:41 haha. :) 19:12:42 yeah 19:12:43 ok 19:12:46 we'll play with it. 19:12:52 I think they couldn't follow or something. 19:12:52 #action vicm3 will also try to backport 19:12:57 i have a full set of gear hear to test with. 19:13:04 *here 19:13:13 Specially in case someone moved alot, they had a problem. 19:13:18 ok. 19:13:23 we'll tweak and tune. 19:13:35 anything else on software for now? 19:14:12 #topic hardware 19:14:25 i made a start on filling in http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf10/Videoteam/Hardware 19:14:29 yesterday 19:14:33 still more work to do there. 19:14:47 we need 1 more camera. 19:15:17 hi 19:15:17 We're doing NTSC this year? 19:15:20 i have no doubt of being able to find at least one more consumer model, but would like to try and find another like xfxf_'s 19:15:23 Q_: yes. 19:15:26 we're in the US 19:15:29 edrz, I have a camera 19:15:37 tassia: NTSC or PAL? 19:15:49 it's a cannon ZR800 19:16:00 ok. we can get details later. 19:16:05 Alot of camera's actually have an option for that. 19:16:10 sure. 19:16:11 tiago may answer :) 19:16:29 like i said, we probably will have no trouble getting enough as we already have 3 committed. 19:16:41 also, CarlFK will loan us PyCon's cameras if we need them 19:16:50 right, CarlFK? 19:16:52 :) 19:17:06 I think so... bit of noise in the pycon front 19:17:17 but I am in posession of them. 19:17:20 NTSC 19:17:27 tiagovaz: great. thanks. 19:17:38 CarlFK: are people not so happy about loaning gear? 19:17:39 it's a low quality cameras, considering we are in 2010 19:18:01 edrz: that hasn't come up. I am trying to buy it all so that I don't have to ask 19:18:02 tiagovaz: sure. if you are already bringing it, it can't hurt to have as a backup. 19:18:07 CarlFK: ah 19:18:24 but the current offer to me is to lease it for a year, and do with it as I please 19:18:37 so, anyway, i'm sort of considering buying one of the AG-DVX100B, like xfxf_'s 19:18:42 What kind of hardware will be available in the venue? 19:18:44 (for myself) 19:19:19 one thing nice about the small cams: they are very light, and so a cheap $20 tripod can pan them without the jerk from 0 to panning 19:19:22 in the main talk room CRF (Columbia's CS dept) has a PA system for us to use. 19:19:33 Projector, audio, light, ... 19:19:47 projectors are provided as are screens 19:19:48 and the small tripods pack and setup quick 19:19:54 * edrz nods CarlFK 19:20:03 but, nice tripods, are nice. :) 19:20:12 are the projectors in the audience seats? 19:20:12 mine are barely adequate and will suffice ... 19:20:21 projectors are on the ceiling. 19:20:36 Is Sledge going to take one or both of my tripods? 19:20:37 * edrz really needs to post the pictures and dimensions. 19:20:48 where do you locate the twin pact? (is this too far OT?) 19:20:58 bwh: he said "probably" need to firm that up 19:21:05 CarlFK: yeah. not a worry. 19:21:16 but, "at the podium" 19:21:44 edrz: You said in your mail something about needing d-i boxes? 19:22:05 I did? i was looking at them last night. 19:22:18 i need some for my own use in the studio so might by what we need. 19:22:22 Is there a mixer in the room, and where is it located? 19:22:43 there are "a/v" mixers in the podiums. 19:23:11 n the podiums ? 19:23:32 And is that something we can actually use, and maybe move around? 19:23:32 well, in a rack near or at where the speaker stands, yes. 19:23:44 we have our own mixers ... 19:24:17 We don't have 2 mixers that can do 2 mixes. 19:24:27 i have 2 of my own that can. 19:24:29 Q_: we do I think 19:24:50 edrz: Oh, I didn't know you had something. :) 19:24:57 Q_: the larger behringer mixer can do 2 mixes (forgot the model) 19:25:09 we're covered. if i hadn't gotten sick this weekend on my trip up to NYC i would have had all this documented. 19:25:26 my main concern had beedn the PA in Davis (main talk room) 19:25:37 we've heard complaints from people who have had to use it. 19:25:47 So I'm currenly going under the assumption that audio will not be a problem. 19:25:55 edrz: so rent a PA ? 19:26:02 but, the CS dept (our main host) has their own PA which we got to see since it was set up for an ACM event 19:26:12 and they said it's no problem for us to use it. 19:26:43 it has a little powered mixer thing for itself with balanced xlr inputs switchable between mic and line. 19:26:48 I assume we're going to cover 2 rooms? 19:26:54 shouldn't be an issue to run our room mix into that. 19:26:57 Q_: yes 19:27:21 2 room. Davis Auditorium: seats around 200. 19:27:35 Interschool Lab: seats around 65 19:28:22 we also have a smaller room 414 CEPSR for BoFs, but we have not promised to cover that with video 19:28:24 #info test the venue PA, and maybe the acoustics? 19:29:10 #action edrz will be taking 1 more trip up to NYC before debcamp and will be running a/v and network tests at that time. 19:29:12 ups 19:29:19 UPS? 19:29:20 edrz: And so what's the situation for the second room? 19:29:21 wasnt the meeting supposed to be 19 utc? 19:29:25 no, only in the server room 19:29:26 anyway. hi! 19:29:33 h01ger: which is 30 minutes ago :P 19:29:34 h01ger: That's 30 minutes ago. 19:29:37 19:00 was 30 mintues ago, no? 19:29:42 yeah. 19:29:43 :) 19:29:46 h01ger: hi. :) 19:30:09 hi from me, too 19:30:13 h01ger: :) 19:30:18 so. again, sorry I haven't been on top of documenting everything and communicating very well. 19:30:23 hi :D 19:30:31 but, we do have most of our resources covered. 19:30:40 let's see ... 19:30:47 any other questions about hardware? 19:30:52 So, moving on to servers? 19:31:01 yeah. 19:31:05 well, just a note: 19:31:08 edrz, just a note 19:31:22 we are coming back on the 5th 19:31:31 #info devil is shipping the remaining v-t equipment to me 19:31:36 And those we're going to connect our camera's too. 19:31:37 p2-mate, doh 19:31:51 #info weasel has already shipped 3 1 TB drives to me. 19:32:05 tassia: ok. is that in the wiki and your penta accounts? 19:32:14 + sorry you 2 have to leave early. :( 19:32:28 yes 19:32:32 :( 19:32:33 edrz: do a #save 19:32:49 CarlFK: are we still able to get dvswitch capable laptops from you? 19:32:52 MrBeige: what's that do? 19:32:56 #save 19:33:01 edrz: makes summary for h01ger 19:33:01 edrz, I'll write the camera info at the wiki 19:33:07 tassia: great 19:33:15 same for anyone else who can loan us something. 19:33:16 MrBeige, edrz: thank you! :) 19:33:29 edrz: yes. 19:33:36 h01ger: MrBeige unfortunately, i've been bad this meeting about using the #commands ... 19:34:07 np 19:34:31 * h01ger thinks MeetBot should do this itself, but also that this is offtopic 19:34:52 Q_: so, CarlFK has generously offered us PyCon's laptops for dvswitch. 19:34:58 CarlFK: and capture too? 19:35:04 nice! 19:35:08 capture ? 19:35:11 CarlFK: and, do you have the specs documented somewhere 19:35:16 Do they have firewire? 19:35:29 CarlFK: yeah ... for just running dvsource-firewire on. 19:35:30 And maybe we need an extra firmwire card for them? 19:35:40 if not we can easily get enough from local folks. 19:35:41 firewire 19:35:54 those laptops have firewire? 19:35:56 they have 1 onboard and I will include firewire card 19:36:01 yup. i have one pccard. 19:36:05 oh, well, there. :) 19:36:16 \o/ for CarlFK and PyCon. :) 19:36:24 then i would rather use more laptops (if possible) than stuffing a 2nd firewire port into them 19:36:30 sure. 19:36:45 CarlFK, did you use those laptops with 2 firewire devices? 19:36:48 CarlFK: is there anything on the drives you need us to save? 19:36:52 h01ger: yep 19:36:55 cool 19:37:12 h01ger: what's the concern? 19:37:25 edrz: nope. wipe em. 19:37:26 * h01ger misses in the summary what software will be backported... but i guess you covered the usual dvwitch setup :) 19:37:31 anyway, we can get details on hardware specs and delivery dates outside the meeting. 19:37:34 CarlFK: great 19:37:46 h01ger: yeah. i made a list but failed to use #info 19:37:48 yeah. great 19:37:55 CarlFK: With 2 laptops instead of 1 it's easier to place the audience cam further away from the twinpac 19:37:58 i'll have to do manual minutes 19:38:07 Note that the PyCon laptops need Nvidia proprietary drivers 19:38:20 bwh: oh. i didn't know. 19:38:25 h01ger: And theora, ffmpeg, ffmpeg2theora 19:38:26 which are a pain, but they did work 19:38:27 CarlFK, how many laptops could you give us? having more is also good for review stations.. 19:38:57 do the pycon laptops work with nvidia propietary drivers from non-free? 19:38:58 we should also talk a bit about servers and the network situation. 19:39:10 yes 19:39:12 h01ger: 2, plus xfxf_ and I will be bringing 2 more 19:39:15 and penta 19:39:34 CarlFK, i'm looking forward to finally meet you! 19:39:34 h01ger: Don't know; I think we built them from a tarball for some reason 19:39:43 ok. good. i have another that will suffice for grabbing, as does simonft 19:40:05 CarlFK, so 4? or are the ones from you and xfxf_ needed for yourself? 19:40:07 h01ger: indeed. 19:40:12 #info so, we have plenty of dvswitch + capture machines available between various team members 19:40:34 #action edrz and CarlFK firm up details of specs, numbers, delivery outside meeting 19:40:35 h01ger: we are recording PyOhio July 31 and Aug1, then drive like hell to NY 19:40:47 :) 19:41:03 impressive 19:41:11 .oO(crazy young wippersnappers ;) 19:41:20 so. servers. 19:41:32 the CS dept gives us a room for debconf machines. 19:41:47 it is directly adjacent to their server room. 19:41:51 speaking of driving... I have a place to park the car for the week, but it would be good to drop the gear off at the venu. which isn't always obvious where to go 19:42:21 edrz: and I hope to get some CS students to set up the network for the coffee room (our server room) this week, so we can start testing stuff 19:42:22 and will have gigabit internally + uplink to CU's backbone 19:42:30 MrBeige: great 19:42:31 You know the 1st is the first day of debconf right, including talks ... 19:42:34 * h01ger takes a note to get a 2nd mobile phone for the us 19:42:48 CarlFK: i have the same problem. we can compare notes/ideas after meeting. 19:42:53 #info software to backported libtheora0, ffmpeg, dvswitch, ffmpeg2theora, rebuild other stuff as needed for backport 19:43:02 vicm3: thanks 19:43:12 edrz, MrBeige: very neat 19:43:31 once i have the drives from weasel i'll build us a barney 19:43:49 should have 4(or 5) X 1TB drives 19:43:54 h01ger: you don't like roaming ? :) 19:44:03 edrz: in 10 min Ineed to leave for the day (to go record a Hadoop meeting :) 19:44:04 i can also provide a stream encoder machine (quad core.) 19:44:09 CarlFK: ok. 19:44:20 Time to move to the next topic? 19:44:22 CarlFK: anything else you need to know or share? 19:44:28 Q_: yup 19:44:35 #topic people 19:44:47 so we have a decent size team signed up. 19:45:02 http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf10/Videoteam/Help 19:45:09 http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf10/Videoteam/Help#Team_members 19:45:12 edrz: don't think so, just no time for post meeting chat right now 19:45:23 CarlFK: ok. email then. 19:45:34 have fun. :) 19:45:57 is there anyone else from the past known to be attending we can bug to join us? 19:46:15 * edrz can also query the penta db about it. 19:46:47 edrz: People will always show up at the conference. 19:46:52 but ... yeah. i'm basically pretty excited. We have a lot of returning people with a lot of experience. 19:46:59 * edrz nods. 19:47:07 * h01ger nods 19:47:09 ok ... i forget exactly why i put this in the agenda. 19:47:18 and some really newbies like me 19:47:21 except maybe to say what I said a few lines up. :) 19:47:22 we should have training session / events in penta 19:47:27 vicm3: yeah. always great too. 19:47:30 h01ger: they are there. 19:47:35 neat neat 19:47:39 great 19:47:48 or, at least, i submitted the event. not sure if they are scheduled yet. 19:47:51 now we just need to do them :) 19:47:56 haha. yup. 19:48:23 #topic any other business? 19:48:38 * h01ger can schedule things in penta, so please poke me, should i not notice myself. i expect to become more involved gradually now, though probably not for the next 10 days ;) 19:48:39 You skipped rooms! :P 19:48:39 anyone? 19:48:49 Q_: doh! 19:48:50 #rooms 19:48:55 #topic rooms 19:49:05 i guess we sort of already covered this above 19:49:08 I think we already covered it. 19:49:32 penta 19:49:45 #info 2 rooms: davis auditorium (200 seats), interschool lab (65 seats) 19:49:50 #topic penta 19:50:10 i went through the list of people on the wiki recently and added people's video privs. 19:50:14 (the 2nd room is soo small? penta. whats the penta status) 19:50:15 to penta 19:50:22 h01ger: what do you mean? 19:50:31 penta lives in git now. 19:50:36 there is a test machine for testing changes. 19:50:37 the setup on our side 19:50:49 h01ger: tell me more. 19:50:52 the video machines need to talk to penta 19:50:53 what do we need to do? 19:50:54 ok 19:50:56 schedule encoding 19:51:01 schedule uploading 19:51:03 is that handled via fai and stuff? 19:51:06 reviewing process 19:51:12 fai installs software 19:51:37 so, is it an update query to the db or a bunch of clicking through the web ui? 19:51:51 (combination?) 19:51:52 we need to configure our encoding servers. but yes, we know have a penta test setup, so those things should be easier 19:52:01 * edrz nods. 19:52:20 at dc9 we've still used the dc8 accounts for penta ;) (iirc) 19:52:32 as I build machines & fai-ify i'll run dummy events through pentatest. 19:52:51 ok. anything else? 19:52:56 bwh, are you generally available for questions during debcamp, conf and before? (_generally_, with normal lag :) 19:53:07 im off.. see ya all 19:53:17 * CarlFK get shoes 19:53:18 CarlFK: see you. thanks. 19:53:43 h01ger: I think so 19:53:45 he's pretty busy with kernel team stuff. 19:53:47 ok 19:54:00 bwh, great. else we have this thing called "source" :) 19:54:20 :) 19:54:23 Ok. 19:54:24 Also is there a good time I could hack on the Penta video cotnroller? 19:54:31 bwh, now? 19:54:44 bwh: there is the git repo and the test server. 19:55:10 what other resources do you need at your disposable to enable your hacking? 19:55:11 Oh good, no more bzr 19:55:15 nope 19:55:20 *g* 19:55:27 http://git.debconf.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi 19:55:43 Well I expect I'll manage to break it repeatedly as I don't know Ruby 19:55:54 but I do know the database schema and how it's supposed to change 19:55:59 ok 19:56:07 so I don't want to get in anyone's way or vice versa 19:56:14 bwh, enjoy. break early, break often. or something ;) 19:56:19 :) 19:56:30 * h01ger assumes its all fine before debcamp. then things need to stabilize rapidly 19:56:30 yeah. better to break cletus than skinner. ;) 19:56:53 bwh: we can coordinate creating dummy events/recordings if it helps. 19:57:02 #topic next meeting. 19:57:14 is Tuesdays at 19:00 a good day/time? 19:57:29 * edrz suggests weekly from now till DebCamp to keep them short 19:57:42 yep, ok for me 19:57:43 it's ok for me 19:57:44 seems we had a decent attendance today. 19:57:44 very fine for me 19:57:47 ok here 19:57:49 good. 19:57:54 It's not ideal for me as it is running into my current roleplaying game, but I'm not sure it's that important for me to attend 19:58:26 #agreed future meetings Tuesdays at 19:00 UTC until DebCamp10 starts. 19:58:29 anything else? 19:58:47 #endmeeting