19:59:39 #startmeeting 19:59:39 Meeting started Tue May 11 19:59:39 2010 UTC. The chair is edrz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:59:39 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:59:59 http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/Videoteam/Meetings 20:00:02 has the agenda 20:00:15 everyone say "hi" or something if you're here 20:00:19 hi 20:00:28 * MrBeige adding things to agenda (stuff I can use for venue stuff) 20:00:44 hi 20:00:47 * p2-mate lurks 20:00:54 #topic computer hardware needed for videoteam 20:01:10 so. we plan on doing 2 rooms as usual. 20:01:12 * jeremyb is half here 20:01:44 Howdy :-) 20:02:13 hola 20:02:23 hi 20:02:47 * karora has to head off in a little while to take the kids to school, but I expect there's not too much I can contribute to the discussion really. 20:02:48 we'll need 2 machines that can handle dvswitch, 2 additional grabbing machines, a large file storage machine, and stream encoders. at a minimum 20:03:11 anything else I'm missing in that list? 20:03:17 how many cams do you plan? 20:03:30 FWIW: LAC2010 used _three_ out-of-spec very long DV cables. Only one of four DV sources had a normal length firewire. 20:03:31 i'd suggest to try to get one computer per dv source 20:03:31 2 per rrom 20:03:33 room 20:03:48 hermanr: interesting. 20:04:09 One of them had a repeater. 20:04:28 would be best if we can test them all in advance with the particular machines, firewire cards, cables and cams. 20:04:41 hermanr: did you decide that before or after tyou want to the coffeeshop ?:P 20:05:05 If there are extra "nice to have" cameras, used for unmanned wide shots, a longish cable would be acceptable. 20:05:05 edrz: what equipment do we already have? 20:05:40 I have a Lindy firewire repeater which worked nicely at DC9 20:06:30 jeremyb: we own several audio mixers, vga-dv converters, wireless handheld and headset mics, and wired condenser mics. 20:06:41 and various cables. 20:06:52 p2-mate: We had a hardware DV mixer, which made the longish DV cables the most practical solution. 20:06:58 we do not own cameras, tripods or PCs/laptops. 20:07:36 edrz, maybe be can borrow pcs from (#)debian-nyc? 20:07:43 Actually I think there are 1 or 2 tripods that belong to Debian 20:07:52 much of the videoteam gear is already in the US with Hydroxide (and hopefully with me by the end of the week) 20:07:57 h01ger: yes. 20:07:59 ideally. 20:08:11 * hermanr reiterates his statement about the important of really good tripod heads 20:08:19 importance* 20:08:39 * jeremyb was thinking about computers 20:08:44 everyone can feel free to liberally use the #info, #idea, #link, etc meetbot commands 20:08:51 edrz, are you setting up wiki pages to track all this? a diagram is also really useful :) 20:09:07 I have one good and one OK tripod that I can lend, if anyone going over there has the luggage space 20:09:14 jeremyb: we own no computers and will need to borrow them from various people. 20:09:29 h01ger: yes, i've mostly copied wiki pages from last year. 20:09:38 * h01ger nods 20:09:39 cool 20:09:39 and will get the hardware page in shape RSN 20:09:46 http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf10/Videoteam 20:09:52 #info http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DSA/non-DSA-HW lists our audio & video gear 20:10:00 Any thoughts on intercom from the video mixer to the camera ops? 20:10:23 bwh^, maybe you can ask sledge / debian-uk crowd? 20:10:24 would be nice, but not a priority, imho 20:10:35 #topic audio hw 20:10:56 Q_: has the other set of gear that was left in europe for fosdem use. 20:11:19 he is supposed to be sending to berlin for the mini-debconf, but hasn't responded to pings here about the lately. 20:11:26 has anyone been in touch with him? 20:11:38 * h01ger sends mail to Q_ now 20:11:51 #help 20:12:23 vicm3: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot 20:12:48 as for the venue, I think we will probably need to rent at least 1 PA system. 20:13:09 but, should be able to cover the rest of the audio needs with our own gear. 20:13:12 are there maps of the venue already? 20:13:17 h01ger: yes 20:13:24 cool 20:13:27 url? 20:13:29 of the campus, but not the inside of the rooms 20:13:32 ah 20:13:37 booring :) 20:13:50 I scratched stuff on some paper I could scan 20:14:09 link: http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf10/Resources 20:14:22 thx 20:14:44 assuming I make it up to NYC for the localteam meeting thursday evening + we can get into the rooms, I'll bring a tape measure. 20:15:07 i also have pictures of the rooms, but need to find them. 20:15:15 MrBeige might also have some pics 20:15:22 http://rkd.zgib.net/http/hidden/dc10map.pdf uses meters \o/ ;) 20:15:45 #action edrz will find his venue pictures and make room drawings RSN. 20:16:00 #topic budget 20:16:08 overall layout: rkd2.zgib.net/hidden/dc10map.pdf 20:16:13 do we have any money? 20:16:22 (oops, that's what h01ger had) 20:16:43 edrz, how much do we need? 20:17:10 i guess if we have a reasonable budget, we'll get that granted (either from dc10 or debian) 20:17:22 so, Davis auditorium and interschool lab are the 2 main rooms. 20:17:50 h01ger: good question. what did we use last year? 20:18:19 edrz, interschool lab, is that clic lab ? 20:18:24 no 20:18:38 7th floor, same building as Davis Auditorium 20:18:57 edrz, 2000e ish. we rented the PA, air-condition, bought cable and paid shipping after dc9 20:19:28 what floor is davis auditorium? 20:19:29 ok. I'll need to look into PA rental costs. 20:19:38 so the map is incomplete ? 20:19:41 it is the entrance level 20:19:52 the campus is several levels up from the street 20:20:21 so I think that is actually the 3rd or 4th floor of the building, but "ground level" from the perspective of where most people will enter 20:20:29 h01ger: last year the PA was part of the building no ? Or did we pay for it seperatly ? 20:20:30 PA? 20:20:39 public address 20:20:46 yes, map is just the relevant rooms and buildings among many 20:20:58 * jeremyb is surprised that's not included 20:21:00 the speakers at the front of the room to make the presenters audible to the audience. 20:21:25 jeremyb: there are things in both rooms, but their quality and state of function is in question. 20:21:28 #info need better maps of venue 20:21:35 edrz: how many attendees per room, or how powerfull amp/speakers do you expect ? 20:22:03 davis holds about 200, i think. 20:22:16 and interschool maybe half that. (very roughly speaking). 20:22:27 p2-mate, we paid seperatly for some parts iirc 20:22:56 edrz, ok, so the floor distance is managable by walking :) 20:23:01 #action edrz needs to obtain better info on venue capacity, room size, PAs 20:23:18 h01ger: between the 2 talk rooms? 20:23:27 actually, there are no stairs that go up. 20:23:31 I sketches with dimensions 20:23:40 elevators must be used. 20:23:43 edrz, hah 20:24:05 euh ? there must be stairs for emergency use no ? 20:24:12 (note: dc10map.pdf is to scale, note the "10 meters" bar 20:24:13 yeah. going down. 20:24:18 no one goes up during a fire. 20:24:26 anyway. 20:24:29 (and exits alarmed if you go out) 20:25:08 How do elevators elevate 200 people at one time? FAIL? 20:25:10 #info about 2000 euros was spent last year. 20:25:38 nothing else really on budget at this time. 20:25:41 #topic penta 20:25:51 did it work well enough last year? 20:26:09 what permissions do I need to be sure to request for v-t people? 20:26:30 hermanr: it's a huge elevator :) 20:26:37 as far as I know, we are using the same version + debconf patches as last year. 20:26:59 hermanr: and, there are four (plus one large freight elevator) 20:27:00 edrz, i'm happy to click permission bits again this year :) (but i think you should be able to do so too) 20:27:31 i have a few notes somewhere about minor workflow additions bwh^ would like for the review process. 20:27:47 regarding how well the workflow went, bwh can probably better comment 20:27:48 h01ger: please say so to Ganneff or other admins@ 20:27:58 * h01ger is admin 20:28:03 yah 20:28:08 If there is a dev version I can work on, I will try to find time to do that 20:28:30 bwh^: yes. cletus.debconf.org, i believe, has the same code running 20:28:31 edrz, last year we lost the backup of the streams as it was made ad-hoc and someone didnt knew about it and "cleaned it up" 20:28:47 with a sanitized/annonymized database copy. 20:29:00 h01ger: backups? 20:29:09 edrz, the live stream we streamed 20:29:10 we didn't have enough tapes 20:29:11 meaning stream encodings captured? 20:29:13 ok 20:29:16 someone dumped it, as a bacjup 20:29:25 i am intending to have a complete settup running and tested here 20:29:30 and someone else deleted it, after dc9, before we arrived home... 20:29:41 as well as workflow documented before we start 20:29:52 * h01ger cheers edrz 20:30:01 we also have much more bandwidth from the venue than we usually do, 20:30:15 SD streams, finally? 20:30:18 so i have the idea that we might be able to send the DV offsite during the conf. 20:30:20 bwh^, if you need access to cletus etc, ask Hydroxide 20:30:27 edrz, nice 20:30:46 hermanr: :) 20:30:49 assuming we have other ends with sufficient connection + storage to receive them. 20:31:12 anything more on penta at this point? 20:31:23 #info cletus is the dev/testing penta instance 20:31:44 #info ask admins or -team for access if needed. 20:31:56 #topic streaming setup. 20:32:07 i also want this up and tested well before the conf. 20:32:12 for a number of reasons. 20:32:15 edrz, you are "video-admin" in penta now 20:32:18 berlin mini-conf can use it. 20:32:25 neat! 20:32:25 h01ger: thank you. 20:32:40 * h01ger bows to edrz 20:32:57 * h01ger will be in berlin 20:32:58 also, from a pkg-multimedia-maint perspective it would be good to have clients well tested before squeeze goes out. 20:33:08 and also for our viewers, of course. 20:33:25 h01ger: save your bows for when I've done more than just expresss my aspirations. 20:34:00 main thing I need to know is do I just talk to -admin about the streaming servers? 20:34:23 edrz, basically yes. 20:34:28 good, good. 20:34:32 on some hosts, icecast is still set up 20:34:39 so you just need to adapt the configs 20:34:46 right. 20:34:47 good. 20:34:52 or provide -admin with copies 20:35:18 is Ganneff aware of streaming of mini-debconf-berlin? i think he will be there - huhu Ganneff :) 20:35:21 they will be in svn and I'll just tell them "pull that" 20:35:30 Ganneff: ^^ 20:35:46 ok. next topic. 20:36:05 #venue stuff: stream dump, etc. 20:36:10 #topic venue stuff: stream dump, etc. 20:36:51 100mbit will suffice for the live streams during the talks. but gigabit would be nice to speed up transfers during breaks & over night 20:37:28 so the plan isn't hand-carrying over again? 20:37:37 hand carrying? 20:37:42 when did that occur? 20:37:53 DC6 I think 20:37:58 pycon has done it that way. 20:38:06 yes 20:38:07 I though I heard that somewhere they moved hard drives by hand... maybe dc9? anyway, agreed it's not ideal 20:38:12 because they've used venues without wired lan access. 20:38:24 MrBeige: Not since DC6 AFAIK 20:38:45 MrBeige: pycon definitely does that. 20:38:53 we really want network. 20:38:56 imoho 20:38:59 grr 20:39:00 exact details don't matter here, the rooms will have net 20:39:01 imho 20:39:05 right 20:39:06 good 20:39:23 #topic venue stuff: # Number of servers to be hosted/space needed 20:39:51 I guess we can also ask, how much can we piggyback off what's already here 20:40:00 if we could get debian-running machines loaned 20:40:11 dc8 data I brought home amounted to 800G for DV and archival quality ogvs. 20:40:47 we need a file server, 1 or more encoding machines and an icecast server. 20:40:58 at minimum. 20:41:25 probably best to do is to make a list of machines / services needed, we can email it to groups around here and people can offer what they have 20:41:32 it's best if we can have full control of machines as it's helpful to control all videoteam machines' configs via FAI. 20:41:43 fai? 20:41:54 Re: intercom: Using PCs as dvsources, no extra hardware, except headphones is needed. 20:41:56 Fully Automatic Installer 20:42:01 #action edrz will make list of machines needed, check it with v-t and get it to MrBeige 20:42:13 I wouldn't be surprised if some group would say "oh, here's our rack, take A and B and C machines, reinstall, and have fun" 20:42:24 that would be awesome. 20:42:27 FAI really needs some expert to configure it 20:43:00 h01ger will be around, and I'll try to become enough familiar with it before then. 20:43:07 good 20:43:08 if I'm not, then we can live with out it. 20:43:35 next item we've already basically covered. 20:43:59 #topic venue stuff: Links to any easy-to-read lists that can be given to various columbia tech people (setup needed, room requirements, ...) 20:44:17 * h01ger thinks about creating fai usbsticks for berlin... 20:44:31 this is basicalyl what I said before: stuff that we can show people and say "here's what we are planning, can you offer anything?" 20:44:36 * h01ger suggests to create one pdf for them ;) 20:44:46 or one wikipage 20:45:15 i thought we had a "venue needs" videoteam page in the wiki .. but can't find it at the moment. 20:45:30 I have a pretty good idea of what is needed, but I don't know what all people have around here... 20:45:39 #action venue needs wiki page or pdf for CU tech people needs to be generated or found. 20:46:21 #topic venue stuff: What you'll have, at the least: plenty of power, ethernet 100Mbit for live steaming, space for control booth, cameras, etc 20:47:03 this just lists the minimum a room should have to be considered acceptable for the video team use 20:47:14 * jeremyb wonders why that was #topic 20:47:30 i don't know. it's in the agenda 20:47:35 if there's nothing else to add, we can move on... 20:47:36 MrBeige: coffee on tap 20:47:46 anything more on venue stuff for this meeting? 20:47:51 (I just was dumping stuff in the agenda in a hurry) 20:47:57 MrBeige: no worries. 20:48:00 if not, you all know how to find me... 20:48:01 s/coffee/club-mate/ 20:48:04 i'm glad you came. :) 20:48:05 MrBeige: and beer in the evening 20:48:32 what about "making a video team workshop for columbia peolpe to get them interested" ? 20:48:33 stimulate/sedate/stimulate/sedate/stimulate/sedate 20:48:44 #topic any other business 20:48:54 I have arrived at venues with sound systems to find out that there was no way to hook into it 20:48:55 next meeting? 20:49:10 h01ger: hold on. that's the next item. ;) 20:49:19 h01ger had some slides to use as a starting point for video team workshops/hook email for CU people 20:49:26 like a wireless mic and no access to the receiver / amp 20:49:32 what MrBeige said is something i've been wanting to do ... 20:50:09 CarlFK: yeah. i hope to make 1 or 2 more trips up to NYC before the event an get into the rooms and check that stuff. 20:50:16 yeah, pictures of availabe equipment are useful 20:50:31 we also have a full week of DebCamp prior to the conf to set up. 20:50:32 and test 20:50:35 on site. 20:50:54 p2-mate: there are some in my previously mentioned to be located pictures 20:51:00 oh yeah, projectors hung in the ceiling - how/where do you all hook up the twinpact? 20:51:09 edrz: though that week goes quickly 20:51:18 indeed 20:51:19 there is a lecture station at the front of each room 20:51:30 the projector vga cable is accessible there. 20:51:37 CarlFK: there is a VGA input smewhere at a desk ? 20:51:46 note: an event is using the main auditorium two days early in the week of DebCamp 20:52:01 MrBeige: monday-tuesday-ish? 20:52:10 something like that, maybe tuesday-wednesday 20:52:13 ok 20:52:18 good to know 20:52:19 so that gets signal to the twinpact - how do you get that to dvswitch box? 20:52:30 but we'll get access before for checking out in advance or in the evenings, I'm sure 20:52:42 some machine near that with ethernet to to the dvswitch-er 20:52:49 MrBeige: yup 20:52:55 any other business? 20:53:00 good answer :) 20:53:16 was affraid of the 75m firewire cable 20:53:19 (what made me think a meeting could be done in 30 minutes. ;) 20:53:37 ok 20:53:44 #topic next meeting 20:54:10 it's always tough to ask the people who couldn't be here if this is a good time & day of the week. 20:54:27 i guess another doodle poll can't hurt. 20:54:32 any thoughts on time frame? 20:54:41 3 weeks perhaps? 20:55:22 * h01ger nods 20:56:01 #action edrz will create a doodle poll for some days & times in the week of June 1st 20:56:06 #endmeeting