21:07:20 #startmeeting 21:07:28 lets have some structure ;) 21:08:08 Q_: obviously with custom interior including sauna ! 21:08:21 agenda at http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/Videoteam/Meetings 21:08:27 computer hardware needed for videoteam 21:08:28 audio hw 21:08:28 budget 21:08:28 penta 21:08:28 other software issues 21:08:29 any other business 21:08:30 next meeting 21:08:33 anything else? 21:09:04 h01ger: So total of 5K? 21:09:23 yes. 21:09:40 #info the budget has 3k for equipment for videoteam and 2k for equipment for hire (A/V and stuff) :-) 21:09:53 Maybe we should spend something in that case. 21:09:56 yeah 21:09:59 #topic computer hardware 21:10:17 Q_, p2-mate: lets follow topics :) 21:10:34 http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf9/Videoteam 21:10:43 has the diagramm of our setup 21:10:52 3 daffys and 3 mrwhite are not real ;) 21:11:09 instead there are some notes about naming on http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf9/Videoteam/TODO 21:11:36 We seem to be missing review pcs 21:11:45 mrwhite is a review terminal ? 21:12:06 * h01ger bought 2 1tb harddrives yesterday. (so we can carry the data home from the fileserver.) either we can fit that into the budget or i'll donate that. 21:12:10 p2-mate, yes 21:12:25 ok 21:12:25 Q_, i asked junta for 1-3 or rather 5-15 21:12:37 so that's basically any recent low cost machine 21:12:41 Q_, i expect that will work out. they have 100000s of desktops running debian :) 21:13:14 The 3rd daffy isn't going anything? 21:13:43 its for distrubuting encoding load 21:14:03 we need names to create configs ;) 21:14:10 So that's probably not a problem at all. 21:14:17 indeed 21:14:34 http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf9/Videoteam/TODO has a link to simpsons names :) 21:14:39 #topic audio hw 21:14:44 h01ger: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_characters_in_The_Simpsons 21:14:51 We've been discussing that. 21:15:20 * h01ger doesnt want to decide names now. i'm happy if someone picks names. simpsons names. daffy and mrwhite should go ;) 21:15:32 wait, patty and itchy have 2 dv inputs + dvswitch console ? 21:15:37 If we use the 2 mixers we have in the 2nd room, we could have 6 (or 8) mics in that room. 21:16:10 Q_, yes, we will have 3 mixers in total 21:16:29 p2-mate, riiiight 21:16:32 hm 21:16:48 h01ger: LSD, MDMA, DMT as the encoders ? :) 21:16:53 h01ger: But you also said in your mail that there are already mics in the 1st room, and it the mixer there only has 6 mic inputs. 21:17:00 less review computers and more pci fw cards from ben :) 21:17:20 Q_, yes. those are wired handheld mics 21:17:35 h01ger: how many ? 21:17:54 2 or so 21:17:57 h01ger: wired as in they have a long cable, or they're more or less fixed to a desk? 21:18:14 handheld, so I assume a long cable 21:18:17 i would count on them and rather buy hw if we have the money now. so we can train and learn on our reliable hw 21:18:27 .oO( did i just say reliable hw? ) 21:18:28 ok 21:18:33 ehe 21:18:38 Q_, more or less fixed 21:18:39 h01ger: The two computers we have listed as capturing now are laptops, so they need CardBus cards 21:18:53 I have only one of them 21:18:59 Womble2: or have builtin 1394 21:19:13 but they need two ports 21:19:17 Womble2, yes. and i dont have good experinece with that. i'd prefer additional desktops with pci cards 21:19:21 OK 21:19:24 Womble2: ic 21:19:40 h01ger: so when do you find out whether you can get those desktops? 21:19:47 We had a laptop for both the camera and the twinpact last year? I guess so. 21:20:18 Or maybe it's one of those other cheap things, like junta can provide? 21:21:09 Womble2, asap. added to my todo 21:21:34 Q_, we had desktops with 2 pci firewire cards 21:21:50 h01ger: Having the same now would be good. :) 21:22:06 that was troublesome enough. i dont want to deal with cardbus firewire, desktop pci firewire is painful enough ;) 21:22:31 Q_, so you will order those mics now? 21:22:33 So how many firewire cards do we have? 21:22:40 can you post the urls again, please? 21:22:49 h01ger: I'm basicly waiting for us to decide on what we want to buy. :) 21:23:00 Q_: I can borrow some, I just need to which 21:23:03 +know 21:23:04 http://www.thomann.de/be/the_tbone_tws16ht_863mhz.htm 21:23:25 Womble2, which? 21:23:57 which cards - CardBus, PCI, PCI Express 21:24:08 http://www.thomann.de/be/beyerdynamic_opus_155_mk_ii_set.htm 21:24:11 * h01ger would say, lets buy for of those handhelds and another speaker headset 21:24:51 s/for/neljä 21:24:56 * h01ger adds "track outgoing costs (incl. $details)" to his todo :) 21:25:14 Womble2, 3 of each? 0:-) 21:25:29 you're taking the piss now 21:25:52 * Jon--- is back 21:26:23 Womble2, eparse 21:27:01 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taking_the_piss 21:27:20 thx. anything else about audio hw? 21:27:29 cabling ? 21:27:47 Womble2, so i'm asking for too much? 21:28:12 mackie 1402 VLZ3 ? :) 21:28:35 p2-mate, http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DSA/non-DSA-HW lists the cables we have 21:29:02 but maybe we should buy cables for the mics Q_ buys. 21:29:04 . 21:29:05 h01ger: Right, I should ask for what we specifically need 21:29:08 or borrow locally 21:29:17 Womble2, 3 pci definitly 21:29:29 what the notebooks have i dont know out of the head 21:29:48 mine is cardbus 21:29:49 h01ger: we will have 12 mics, so we need 12 cables 21:29:52 we only have 6 21:29:57 and itchy is an x61 21:30:05 i dunno if that has pci express or also cardbus 21:30:14 x61 has cardbus 21:30:45 so 3 pci and 3 cardbus? (3 to have a backup 21:30:46 ) 21:31:07 or 2 and 2 if i'm still urinating 21:31:46 h01ger: I'll buy some cables too. 2 meter? 21:31:49 p2-mate, the mics Q_ buys come with 1m cable 21:32:15 They do? That's probably good enough in that case. 21:32:18 so i dont think 2m are useful? or? i have no clue :) 21:32:21 yes, they do 21:32:30 And that's XLR cable? Or with a jack? 21:32:31 "Accessories included..." 21:32:38 1m XLR female-jack output cable 21:32:45 ok 21:32:55 hmm, then we miss 1 ? 21:32:56 XLR it seems. 21:33:01 how is that possible ? 21:33:06 miss 1? 21:33:09 12 mics 21:33:12 so 12 cables 21:33:17 we have 6 21:33:26 p2-mate, no, we get 4 more 21:33:28 the 5 new mics come with 1 cable each 21:33:33 http://www.thomann.de/be/beyerdynamic_opus_155_mk_ii_set.htm misses the cable 21:33:34 Or, right, the new headset only comes with a jack. 21:33:37 so we need to buy one cable 21:33:45 So we got 1 m cables for that last year 21:33:54 oh ok 21:33:55 http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DSA/non-DSA-HW 21:34:01 also lists our cables 21:34:02 so we have then 10 cables 21:34:08 except those under my bed 21:34:09 so we need 2 more 21:34:17 thats on my todo for tomorrow ;) 21:34:58 We only have 2 of those 1m cables? We probably rented one last year. 21:35:10 are we still going to feed audio to the main camera ? 21:35:18 anything else about cables? Q_, if you send me the invoice via pdf+mail and your bank account data (ibann/bic) we can reimburst you immediatly.. 21:35:21 Then, do we need cable to go from the mixer to the PA system? 21:35:45 yes 21:35:52 for each setup we need : 21:36:01 1 stereo cable to PA 21:36:03 h01ger: Don't remind me, I still need to send that of last year. :) 21:36:12 1 stereo cable to PC audio card 21:36:19 1 stereo cable to main camera 21:36:26 * h01ger thinks buying 5 mics (4 with cables) and 1 cable is fine. we have cables for our mics. and there are cables for the PA+mixer+mics already. and anto (the local guy from caceres) plays in a band, where they have cables. and we have budget still. 21:36:42 h01ger: They asked me to fill in this doc, and send the original papers. 21:36:45 so i'd say, next point. (and Q_ goes shopping as discussed) 21:37:08 Q_, yes, they like the originals later. but if you send the pdf, we can initiate the money transfer. trust works. 21:37:11 h01ger: what about the stereo cables for output ? 21:37:18 p2-mate, which? 21:37:25 00:36 < p2-mate> 1 stereo cable to PA 21:37:27 00:36 < p2-mate> 1 stereo cable to PC audio card 21:37:28 00:36 < p2-mate> 1 stereo cable to main camera 21:37:31 times 2 21:37:54 h01ger: I did send a scanned in doc, and my account details. :) 21:38:14 Q_, cool. when? 21:38:25 Like last year somewhere. 21:38:38 But it doesn't really matter, I'll do it properly this time. :) 21:38:56 p2-mate, if you can get urls to order, i'd say lets do. its too much detail and too little money for this meeting and if you say we need it, lets go 21:39:11 Q_, please cc: me, so i can approve it. that should help ;) 21:39:13 h01ger: yeah, although some of them might be present already 21:39:14 p2-mate: That's an RCA stereo to jack stereo for the PC? 21:39:30 Q_, also feel free to resend last years thing. (fosdem, right? or dc8?) 21:39:32 Q_: no. 6mm jack to RCA stereo 21:39:59 Q_: or wait... 21:40:02 #agreed Q_ and p2 sort out what cables to buy 21:40:09 #topic penta 21:40:17 hehe 21:40:22 Womble2? any news? 21:40:31 s/jack/TRS/ 21:40:35 yep 21:42:41 It's 2 6 mm TRS jacks to 1 3 mm TRS jack? 21:43:24 Q_: 2 6.3mm TRS to 2 RCA for the PA I think 21:43:41 I was thinking about the PC. 21:44:23 Q_: 2 6.3mm TRS to 1 3mm TRS for PC audio (unless we use usb audio adapters with RCA or 6.3mm TRS inputs...) 21:44:38 Q_: and 2 6.3mm TRS to 1 3mm TRS for main camera 21:44:57 Womble2? 21:45:23 no, no news 21:45:24 p2-mate: Which might have XLR inputs too. Or mic level TRS. 21:45:36 Q_: camera's with XLR ? 21:45:37 #topic other software issues 21:45:50 we'll use dvswitch trunk with rtsp? or? 21:45:51 p2-mate: Last years we've alwyas had XLR inputs on the main camera. 21:46:00 h01ger: no! 21:46:00 Q_: impressive :) 21:46:05 Womble2, :) 21:46:09 +ack 21:46:12 0.8 branch 21:46:30 Womble2: and if we give you an extra pair of hands and gdb ? 21:46:35 xfce installation works nicely, raw1394 too 21:46:40 (on my r51) 21:46:49 So, how long should those cables be? :) 21:47:34 #topic any other business 21:48:12 Are we getting cameras from junta or do we need to hire them? 21:48:23 same as desktops 21:48:33 Q_: 5m ? 21:48:37 i'm pretty confident but no sure confirmation yet 21:48:54 Q_: the main camera one needs to be longer I guess... 21:48:55 its also on my list to ask 21:49:17 Ganneff, for streaming servers we'll use the same setup as last year, more or less? 21:49:22 Do we need audio on the camera? 21:49:25 we need to plan this... 21:49:32 * h01ger adds it to next meetings agenda 21:49:38 which raises the question, when 21:49:47 #topic next meeting + any other business 21:50:13 Same time next week? Or Monday? 21:50:44 Monday works for me. 21:51:14 next global team meeting in one week, 13 july 19 UTC 21:51:22 i would like 18 utc then 21:51:32 20 utc is too late for me that day 21:51:56 and tuesday i will have just arrived in madrid 21:52:09 monday, 18 utc? 21:52:14 Fine. 21:52:17 19utc ? 21:52:26 next global team meeting in one week, 13 july 19 UTC 21:52:33 then i would have to halve myself 21:52:41 -e probably :) 21:52:52 :) 21:52:53 Womble2? 21:53:02 I don't mind what time 21:53:31 p2-mate, will you be able to make it at 18 utc? 21:53:32 1 more thing, do we want audio to the main camera or not ? 21:53:43 not needed if we have USB-audio 21:53:45 h01ger: probably 21:54:12 we will very probably have suitable cameras. does notebook audio also suffice? 21:54:31 laptops mostly have mic in, not line-in 21:54:33 p2-mate, so we take that time and date..?!! 21:54:38 Womble2: only the 1622 has USB audio. we can obviously use an extra mixer output 21:54:42 h01ger: yes 21:54:54 Womble2: and feed it into the dvswitch PC audio 21:55:05 p2-mate: if it has line in, yes 21:55:13 does thomann have usbaudio cards? ;) 21:55:21 Womble2: I can bring a USB audio thingy with linein 21:55:23 but we will have cameras 21:55:28 p2-mate, great 21:55:29 h01ger: good point 21:55:34 p2-mate: Yes please 21:55:38 p2-mate, please do 21:55:45 p2-mate: Please add to the hardware wiki page 21:55:46 check thomann ? 21:55:53 ok 21:56:00 p2-mate, if you have them for free? why thomann? :) 21:56:05 h01ger: only 1 :) 21:56:08 but yeah :) 21:56:19 only 1? 21:56:21 arg 21:56:28 I have only 1 such usb thingy 21:56:31 #agreed next meeting 13th july, 18 UTC 21:56:40 but we only need 1, so that's ok 21:56:50 why only 1? 21:56:59 because 1 comes with the Behringer 1622? 21:57:06 right 21:57:09 h01ger: 1622 has builtin usb 21:57:14 p2-mate, please add too http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf9/Videoteam/Hardware 21:57:23 p2-mate, "build-out", but yeah :) 21:57:29 cool 21:57:35 so we are done? 21:57:53 yeah 21:58:23 \o/ 21:58:31 #endmeeting