18:00:48 #startmeeting 18:00:48 Meeting started Mon May 18 18:00:48 2020 UTC. The chair is nattie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:00:48 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:00:53 #topic roll call 18:00:57 Hi 18:01:02 Hello 18:01:02 you know the drill - holler if you're here 18:01:07 hello 18:01:11 Haai 18:01:33 < 6 feet > Hello < 6 feet > 18:01:46 Hello :-) 18:02:15 at a guess that's everyone for the moment - everyone else, just come in quietly and wait for applause before running down the aisle 18:02:16 * anisa hollers wearing a mask 18:02:23 #topic coronavirus update 18:02:27 any news? 18:03:01 I need to do a thing on the website, right 18:03:06 (if there's none within two minutes i'm moving to the next topic) 18:03:13 oh yeah, i think the copy for that is mostly written? 18:04:20 #link https://wiki.debian.org/DebConf/20/Faq 18:04:30 updated the FAQ a few days ago 18:04:37 moment, going to look 18:05:25 i guess we can roll the discussion of a poll into this topic item 18:05:45 so: let's have a poll now to see whether we should hold a poll about holding the conference 18:05:50 ;P 18:05:51 thoughts, anyone? 18:06:34 I think it would be sensible to do it 18:06:51 Right now it's not really clear if it will be possible to enter the country without a 14-days quarantine. 18:06:56 but we would have to agree on how exactly we take that input in consideration 18:07:02 Which is a show stopper. 18:07:07 it would certainly be a way of getting a feel for what potential attendees think 18:07:36 tzafrir: and that will go away. The quarantine will be lifted in June acc. to your governments plans. 18:08:45 I didn't see that anywhere. I see more of full open of the airport. 18:08:58 (But I didn't fully check everywhere) 18:09:03 my government is talking to your government :) 18:09:15 perhaps we should focus on the phrasing of the poll? 18:09:28 and whom to send it to 18:09:43 I'd say all people that attended one of the last three debconfs or so 18:10:02 maybe a few more - i'd say back to 15 18:10:02 I would say at least 2 of the last 3 18:10:04 plus the Israeli local people that could surely attend 18:10:15 there is no point in asking local people who would never attend a debconf again 18:11:41 you mean Brazilians? 18:11:50 or taiwanese, or canadians 18:12:01 hm, valid argument 18:12:10 So: two of the last 3? 18:12:13 everybody who attended two of the last five debconfs? 18:12:40 hi. How bad is for Debian if people from some countries are not allowed to enter in Isral in August? 18:12:49 * nattie thinks it should go back as far as 15, just because the most recent four have been rather far from Europe 18:13:02 phls: we're having a meeting - could you hold that thought please? 18:13:20 my question is about quarentine 18:13:28 i see 18:13:30 but I can wait 18:13:54 shouldn't be too long 18:14:13 2 or 3 out of the last 5? 18:14:38 potentially also worth asking speakers 18:14:43 I think 2 should be good enough 18:14:47 ok 18:15:03 seems good 18:15:03 we have almost no submissions so far 18:15:09 #agreed A poll will go out to those who have attended 2 of the last 5 DebConfs 18:15:14 so now for the question to ask? 18:15:43 there seem to be two questions listed on the agenda 18:15:57 those two questions look good to me 18:16:13 +1 18:16:29 I suggest we form a small task force for designing the actual poll, and take this offline 18:16:32 I volunteer FWIW 18:16:55 terceiro: should i send people to you for the record (as an #info)? 18:17:04 Maybe a third: "Do you think you'll be able to come"? 18:17:14 nattie: sure 18:17:30 #info Those interested in designing the poll should contact terceiro 18:17:45 how about a third qusestion abuot a remote conference? 18:18:06 "if debconf were entirely online, would you attend / speak" 18:18:12 i refer to the honourable gentleman to terceiro's suggestion 18:18:40 #info suggestion: Maybe a third: "Do you think you'll be able to come"? 18:18:56 #info suggestion: "if debconf were entirely online, would you attend / speak" 18:19:03 I think both of those make sense 18:19:07 *nods* 18:19:17 back to phls' question now? 18:19:20 like it 18:19:28 ok 18:19:44 anyone got any views on this? 18:19:55 phls: we won't know which countries citizens will be allowed entry or not 18:20:04 this depends on bilateral agreements 18:20:24 and these depend on the epedemic situation in the origin countries 18:20:29 for me, the biggest question would be: Will I be able to return home. As things stand, the US wouldn't let me in 18:20:49 I think it would be terrible if people would not allowed to enter in Israel, from any country 18:21:05 Europe and Asia (outside India) will likely be fine. We can't say yet for US, Brazil and India unfortunately 18:21:27 yes, I believe Americas in general 18:21:50 phls: terrible or not, not much we can do about that 18:21:50 in a normal situation, there is always the chance of someone not being able to enter. in this new normal, that increases a lot 18:22:08 tactical flying will help, too 18:22:16 (and even in the old normal, countries have diplomatic spats with each other, and it's normal citizens that get hurt) 18:22:18 spend two weeks in Europe along the way :) 18:23:30 I think the question in the air is: what needs to (not) happen for us to decide to hold debconf in Haifa in august 18:23:50 I think we should try to come up with specific criteria 18:23:55 e.g. a checklist 18:24:21 that should be a TODO for the next meeting, i suppose? 18:24:41 I'd say so 18:24:57 what do we do with the registration then? 18:25:16 If we don't open it soon, there will be no bursary process possible anymore 18:25:39 I think it should be fine to open with the disclaimer you guys wrote 18:25:42 we said in the past that we ask people to register conditionally (=Corona disclaimer) 18:25:48 who's going to take the action for the checklist? 18:26:07 terceiro: ok, then we need that implemented in wafer very, very soon 18:26:21 that's easy enough. I've just been avoiding it 18:26:33 new SSO won't happen in a hurry, though 18:26:40 and it'd be paypal payments 18:26:45 (no progress on stripe) 18:27:00 can you do the Coronal disclaimer and do the rest whenever that makes sense? 18:27:08 are we done with the rest of https://salsa.debian.org/debconf-team/public/data/dc20/issues/14 ? 18:27:12 Nothing is checked off 18:27:37 i guess we implement that if we decide to go ahead? 18:27:46 t-shirt sizes could be researched in advance 18:28:23 I believe we are. I tried registration in wafertest. 18:28:50 same 18:28:51 Should I close that then? 18:29:04 Right now it fails in stage 10, and I guess that this is expected? 18:29:11 What's stage 10? 18:29:43 is that payment? 18:30:06 looks like an invoice error due to a missing price 18:30:20 I'll have to look at that 18:31:26 So, I guess I'll take the action for the checklist, unless anybody likes it. 18:31:40 tzafrir: do you want anyone to join you on it? 18:31:50 I have to say, from an organizational point of view, if DebConf *is* going to happen, we need to start getting more motivated about these things 18:31:53 (me included) 18:32:04 well, yes 18:32:07 I think we've all been assuming it'll be off for the last month or two while we waited 18:32:16 and we're getting behind on preparation now 18:33:02 Just as well Israel has a reputation for a can-do attitude, and everybody seemed happy to do things at the last minute :P 18:33:35 #action Tzafrir to take charge of the checklist - those interested in helping should contact him 18:33:44 Lets just make DebConf happen :D 18:34:24 should we move on to last meeting's actions? 18:34:29 or is there more to say on this? 18:35:11 #topic last meeting's actions 18:35:21 there officially weren't any 18:35:37 well, the coronavirus notice :P 18:35:45 i think we already discussed that 18:35:51 indeed 18:35:57 can we have an ETA on that tumbleweed? 18:36:03 DLange: right now 18:36:13 coding as we speak? 18:36:31 yep 18:36:35 awesome! 18:37:17 #topic budget approval assumptions 18:38:15 anything to add to what the agenda says? 18:38:38 proposed assumptions are DebCamp 50 attendees / DebConf 150 attendees (80 local, 70 international) 18:38:50 Currently secured income: 73,100 USD 18:38:56 Estimate for further income: 20,000 USD 18:40:24 i'm going to assume that's for info rather than discussion, yes? 18:41:02 I guess we'll have some feedback for that from the poll by next meeting. 18:41:05 *nods* 18:41:08 #topic AoB 18:41:14 anything? 18:41:22 when should we have the next meeting? 18:41:37 1st of June? 18:41:45 for last-minute discussions before the deadline 18:41:47 sounds good 18:41:50 yeah 18:41:57 any blockers from anyone for that date? 18:42:08 fine by me :) 18:42:16 tzafrir? 18:42:21 Fine. 18:42:37 #agreed Next meeting 1 June, 1800 UTC 18:42:44 anything else? 18:43:45 #endmeeting