14:30:31 #startmeeting 14:30:31 Meeting started Thu Jun 14 14:30:31 2018 UTC. The chair is medicalwei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:30:31 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 14:30:32 Go 14:30:38 #chair medicalwei[m] 14:30:38 Current chairs: medicalwei medicalwei[m] 14:30:39 Hi. 14:30:42 Owo/ 14:30:44 ._./~\ 14:30:49 o/ 14:30:50 I will leave soon, don't take it personally 14:31:10 \o/ 14:31:17 bremner: have anything to say first? 14:31:28 #topic roll call 14:31:32 nope, olasd knows all 14:31:36 Hi. 14:31:40 hi 14:31:58 hi 14:32:00 Please also check the meeting agenda at deb.li/3OYuV 14:32:45 I think we will have content and bursaries topic today 14:33:11 and the day trip one 14:33:17 Of course we will :3 14:33:21 #topic Budgeting 14:33:36 #info Most of the budgets should be reimbursed through SPI, but for the convenience of payment, OCF.tw can pay first, and the reimbursed money should go to OCF.tw 14:34:04 #action medicalwei and huangfu (OCF.tw contact) to check with SPI for the workflow of reimbursement 14:34:31 Just avoid any unnecessary currency conversion. 14:35:01 USD/NTD 14:35:12 Also OCF can't pay so much money especially catering, can SPI transfer money first? 14:36:00 * medicalwei leaves the question to the mailing list 14:36:15 #info Updated budgets should come up soon, and we will have 20,254 USD surplus 14:36:38 shouldn't that be paid by the university now as per their internal-cash-flow-thing? 14:36:49 DLange: can we get someone from SPI to take a look at some of the payment questions? 14:37:17 I can probably answer them but the cash flow in Taiwan changes on a weekly basis 14:37:25 DLange: some of these yes, but mostly will go through SPI 14:37:29 *most 14:37:35 make a table please 14:37:48 which expenses and whom do you see to pay the invoice 14:37:48 yeah good idea 14:37:50 I made that in another sheet, but not reflected to the current budget 14:38:23 send that sheet to the ML then, I'll happily take a look 14:38:27 #link https://storm.debian.net/shared/jTN95leyFQtZDYipu0nv-EG4QaI_hs-Md0t1NDW-dMc Budget Liability Plan 14:38:40 or that _) 14:38:54 o/ 14:39:14 * zumbi in parallel meeting (can be slow at times) 14:39:47 #action medicalwei and AndrewLee to summarize the final cost of big spending items by June 20. 14:40:04 medicalwei: I was unable to read it all, but I checked with SPI, we can prep an invoice from OCF and get it reimbursed 14:40:05 * gwolf arrives - At part of the meeting at least :-] 14:40:22 medicalwei: it is better if we do one or few, instead of 1000s with few value 14:40:57 zumbi: I think we will go latter, but like, 30s receipts 14:41:15 ok 14:41:33 Minor stuffs like incidentials should go though OCF 14:42:02 Nothing from me. Anyone want to come up with budget? 14:42:07 *Nothing else 14:42:52 #topic Content 14:42:54 gwolf: // 14:43:10 Well, as you have all seen, we managed to push out a first set of talks \o/ 14:43:25 \OwO/ 14:43:26 That means, we ... (wait, opening admin page) 14:43:51 We have approved 36 talks (out of eighty-something at that time) 14:43:55 #link https://debconf18.debconf.org/talks/ confirmed talks 14:44:10 #info 36 talks confirmed in the first wave 14:44:27 Usually this first list motivates people to submit more talks - And yes, we have 100 talks right now (which means we have some more to rate) 14:44:52 ...I haven't been able to follow through _at all_ the (very few, but non-empty) list of people suggesting invited speakers 14:44:53 #info content team have 100 talks to review (including confirmed ones) 14:45:10 If somebody wants to lend a hand on that area, _please contact us now_. 14:45:24 I think it's a bit late to invite people, but it's not impossible 14:45:39 #info content team needs help to review talks! 14:45:44 (103 talks total - I didn't see the pager at the bottom) 14:45:48 medicalwei: No, scrap that! :-] 14:45:51 #undo 14:45:51 Removing item from minutes: 14:46:03 We need help if somebody wants to follow recommendations for people to invite 14:46:54 We should™ soon™™ be working on a schedule layout. Also, I have had no cycles to put into that area 14:47:12 fyi, I still have no review button 14:47:17 #info schedule layout should be come up soon™ 14:47:25 For that, although it has been communicated to us already, I need to know the available spaces+their characteristics 14:47:57 As well as the desired starting + closing times, most probably aligned with breakfast, lunch and dinner 14:48:14 Oh! For what zumbi mentions - I understand tumbleweed is überbusy right now 14:48:27 Who else can add zumbi to the content group in Wafer? 14:48:40 #action czchen to check with gwolf for the venue spaces. 14:48:51 No problem. 14:48:56 gwolf: possibly olasd as well 14:49:03 And... That's it for me, I guess 14:49:09 We have 3 big rooms for talks. 14:49:10 zumbi: Can you please talk directly to olasd? 14:49:12 okay. anyone else on the contents? 14:49:25 (maybe point him to this discussion if needed. I agree to have zumbi be powerful.) 14:49:25 gwolf: ok, I can try 14:49:46 #topic Bursaries 14:49:47 * gwolf has nothing to add. 14:49:58 wow, lucky 14:50:09 #info the first round of bursary grants went out 14:50:10 olasd: I planned it all mhuhahahaahah 14:50:41 #info olasd arrives at this topic on time 14:50:43 #undo 14:50:43 Removing item from minutes: 14:50:44 #info We've been able to grant travel to around 50 people (40 contributors + 10 outreach) for now, with an overcommit of around 5k USD 14:51:00 +0 14:51:01 #save 14:51:02 can we has more money? 14:51:32 olasd: I can add that up 14:51:47 probably yes, 20k USD unallocated but food and T-Shirts are not having suppliers with fixed contracts yet 14:52:09 lanyards got 100% over budget (on a small cost scale though) 14:52:12 fyi, our cutoff score is 3.05/5 which is fairly high compared to last year 14:52:24 but still reasonable 14:52:29 so we need to sort that out first and then (very hopefully) up bursaries 14:52:47 cool 14:53:05 olasd: is there an easy way to see how much money is needed to get to 3.0? 14:53:07 T-shirts has fixed contact and that estimation is about correct 14:53:25 * larjona waves, late, will read the backlog later 14:53:27 highvoltage: yes, I can tell you : we need 10k USD 14:53:40 3.0? 14:54:03 ^the cut-off value from assessment of the bursary requests 14:54:08 medicalwei: people who apply for bursaries get a score based on plans, contributions, and another for diversity 14:54:23 ok 14:54:34 medicalwei: people neet a score of 3.05 to get bursary this year, someone who got a 3 (which is a really good score imho) won't get in 14:54:34 the scale is on https://salsa.debian.org/debconf-team/public/websites/dc18/blob/master/bursary/models.py#L34 14:54:49 it's to be taken with a grain of salt of course 14:55:05 no problem I take literally everything anyone says with a grain of salt 14:55:07 I need to go back to work 14:55:12 <3 all 14:55:21 <3 14:55:27 Anything else on the bursaries? 14:55:32 olasd: any objections if there were asked fo 10k instead of 5k? 14:55:42 (I would phrase that better but since you're running off...) 14:55:52 highvoltage: any amount of money means more people can come 14:55:53 oh well I'll leave that to orga 14:55:54 I have no objections 14:56:39 (FWIW, if we don't have invited speakers, I think we could transfer Content's ~$5000 also) 14:56:48 * olasd runs off 14:57:02 Ah talking about bursaries 14:57:27 Are we in a middle of meeting? 14:57:32 yes 14:57:33 medicalwei: so to summarize, 5k covers current shortfalls, 10k means everyone with a score of 3+ makes it (as apposed to 3.05+) 14:57:34 Could we request all the bursaries' applier (or some of them) for their passport copy and boarding pass as well as electronic ticket? 14:57:51 unlikely 14:58:13 DLange: how so? 14:58:20 medicalwei: why do you need that? 14:58:43 zumbi: normal procedure if we want to reimburse travel sponsorship in taiwanese government or companies 14:59:00 medicalwei: We usually require for boarding passes, but not for passport scans 14:59:01 lemme see if passport copy is necessary (i don't think so) 14:59:04 but they get reimbursed by spi 14:59:12 but that's only the $5k per your sheet 14:59:58 ok. no passport copies 15:00:17 boarding passes are required by SPI for re-imbursement as well 15:00:21 so you have no issue there 15:00:32 DLange: we can increase that, but that only applies to those panel speakers 15:00:36 not really, spi requires receipts 15:00:58 +1 15:01:00 We want to put some of the reimbursements through NCTU/MEET TAIWAN 15:01:27 What is the requirement for NCTU/MEET TAIWAN? Boarding pass and? 15:01:28 and a confirmation of travel which can be your boarding pass or the fact that you hand in the re-imbursement form on-site 15:01:41 (or a self-confirmation that the expenses happened) 15:01:47 czchen: boarding pass, electronic ticket, receipt (if electronic ticket doesn't have price on it) 15:02:30 mind to explain more on how and why NCTU/MEET TAIWAN do travel reimbursements 15:03:18 zumbi: to spend up the MEET TAIWAN budget. 15:03:44 We won't get unspent budget 15:03:55 how much we got there? can it be used for food? 15:04:18 Food: not directly, and is unknown if we make exchange with NCTU venue 15:04:36 ok 15:04:50 And we have USD 13485.55 excluding the trip fund 15:06:11 #action medicalwei will check with content team for travel bursary reimbursement through MEET TAIWAN 15:06:17 #topic Childcare 15:06:25 hi 15:06:42 Inform the two sitters(#1, #2) we are hiring them. 15:06:54 I'm preparing the contract and will ask if OCF can help to sign the contract 15:07:22 #info we have 2 babysitters and is preparing contract with OCF.tw 15:07:43 I think that's all? 15:07:49 nothing from me 15:07:55 #topic Visa 15:07:57 czchen: /// 15:08:01 42 eCode requests now. Will send the list to government no later than Jun 19. 15:08:18 #info we have 42 eCode requests 15:08:25 Need to check my mailbox tomorrow in case I miss anyone. 15:08:33 #action czchen to send the eCode request to the government before Jun 19 15:08:59 #topic Insurance 15:09:07 czchen: // 15:09:11 #info OCF.tw has signed the contract. Waiting for payment confirmation from insurance company. 15:09:19 that's all 15:09:23 #topic Venue 15:09:53 Need confirm that we need 2 classrooms in engineering build 3 for self-scheduled session. 15:10:09 Our candidates are 15:10:09 1F: EC115 (96 ppl, might be noisy due to construction), EC122 (131 ppl) 15:10:09 B1: EC015 (120 ppl), EC022 (150 ppl) 15:10:13 #link https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf18/Venue floor plans 15:10:42 So is 2 classrooms okay for us? Or do we need more? 15:10:55 2 unconference rooms are fine to me. 15:11:14 Enough I'd say based on past experience 15:11:29 (and the rooms are quite large! We have often worked with much smaller ones) 15:11:42 sounds, good. Take the closest ones that are not-noisy. 15:11:44 3 rooms for regular talks, 2 rooms for self-scheduled talks are okay? 15:12:29 LGTM 15:12:49 I see those are at a different building 15:13:06 gwolf: yes, with quite a bit distance as well tbg 15:13:08 *tbh 15:13:10 ...I'm browsing through OSM, but - How far away (time walking?) are they? 15:13:14 Yes, there is no class room available in MIRC. 15:13:37 gwolf: https://salsa.debian.org/debconf-team/public/data/dc18/blob/master/artworks/map.jpg 15:13:40 about 10 mins 15:13:44 I understand. Those are the spaces we have, we must deal with them :) But, is it expectable for people to cross between... 15:14:16 OK. We will have 15 minutes between sessions. It's a bit borderline (some people walk slow, and Taiwan weather is known to be terrible). But we will live with that :-] 15:14:38 gwolf: we will ask everyone to bring umbrellas 15:14:45 that's necessary in Taiwan 15:14:49 * gwolf hates umbrellas :( 15:15:01 but that's myself, and the meeting is not about myself :) 15:15:06 we can also do self-scheduled sessions when the rooms are not in use by the regular schedule 15:15:26 DLange: that's one option too, also recordable if people wouldn't mind 15:15:47 DLange: Of course. But we try to cover the schedule as much as possible. 15:15:55 great 15:16:06 medicalwei: Usually the video team asks no changes to their programming <48h in advance 15:16:17 gwolf: i see 15:16:37 anything else on the venue for now? 15:16:46 Not from me. 15:17:02 #topic Open Day 15:17:05 Opening cerermony now starts at 09:00. 15:17:14 #info Opening cerermony now starts at 09:00. 15:17:30 #info AndrewLee is arranging schedules. All schedules are coming up in the wiki page. 15:17:55 Anything else? 15:18:29 I've failed to contact imacat to rename diversity talk 15:18:49 I will tell imacat to contact you. 15:19:00 ok, thanks 15:19:12 #topic Day Trip 15:19:16 jidanni: // 15:19:20 Will visit less fancy places, and more outdoors places, 15:19:42 due to low reservation signups. 15:19:52 #info Because of uncertainty of registered trips, we will have more outdoor trips without bus. 15:20:19 Are we still keeping 3 buses? 15:20:58 Buses will be assigned once we have signups for bus-needing places. 15:21:21 Busses can also be rented with a day or two of lead time. 15:21:30 The venues to visit are probably the issue. 15:21:33 Is the main reason is that bus company needs the exact list of people? 15:21:44 jidanni: ^? 15:22:00 Most fancy places need a name list 3 months in advance. 15:22:13 Else others grab the spots. 15:22:21 #info Most fancy places need a name list 3 months in advance. 15:22:39 Okay. Anything else? 15:22:47 All finished. 15:23:13 #topic Swags 15:23:38 #info Lanyards and badge sleeves are coming next week. Badge contents (maps) should be sent out for print 2 weeks later. 15:23:58 #info We have to hurry up for t-shirt design, so I may send the design before next week. 15:24:08 #link https://salsa.debian.org/debconf-team/public/data/dc18/tree/master/artworks/tshirts t-shirt design 15:24:26 Also we are going to order polyester t-shirts for straight cut 15:25:09 #action medicalwei to check with olasd for t-shirt quantity per size and straight/fit cut 15:25:27 #info The previous company we were trying to quote says that they cannot make the bag in time, so we are going to quote the same company as the t-shirt. 15:25:35 #undo 15:25:35 Removing item from minutes: 15:25:43 #action medicalwei to update the T-Shirt back sides with the latest sponsors before sending them to print 15:25:48 #info The previous company we were quoting for bags says that they cannot make the bag in time, so we are going to quote the same company as the t-shirt. 15:26:00 DLange: will do. what's missing? 15:26:16 #info The design will look about the same as t-shirts, but the DC18 logo will be in color. 15:26:19 #undo 15:26:19 Removing item from minutes: 15:26:23 no idea, just double check before you send 15:26:33 #info Chopsticks are not in the consideration yet... 15:26:47 #info We are going to make towels once the budget approves. 15:26:52 DLange: that's backwards, the sponsor fulfillment team should check the design 15:28:01 #link https://salsa.debian.org/debconf-team/public/data/dc18/blob/master/artworks/42/dontpanic.pdf towel embroidery 15:28:08 olasd: do we have such team right now? 15:28:12 no problem, as long as we know when the T-1 for sending the batch to production is 15:28:53 #action medicalwei to produce sponsor fulfillment items like banners and podium prints 15:29:13 Nothing else from me... 15:29:21 How about a big map of Taiwan 15:29:30 instead of "Don't panic" 15:30:00 jidanni: that's on the request on the mailing list... 15:30:14 Oh. 15:30:19 jidanni: also the towels can be used and sold in other debconfs 15:30:26 or other debian related events 15:30:28 Oh. 15:30:43 It's still a 1000 towel order? 15:30:48 420 15:30:56 OK, much more sensible /methinks :) 15:30:57 .oO(nice) 15:31:01 Yes. 42 * 10 15:31:02 "don't panic" is a good motto for the next 6 weeks, too :D 15:31:26 nice one medicalwei 15:31:59 #topic AOB 15:32:03 Just "Panic" would be more.... 15:32:44 Nothing more. 15:32:57 Anything else for this meeting? 15:33:29 We will have next meeting scheduled at 2018-06-21 14:30 UTC 15:33:35 OK 15:33:42 What is the earliest time that we can arrive and have accomm on the venue? 15:34:14 July 20th? 19th? ... 15:34:17 let me check ... 15:34:37 DLange: Jul 21 according to the registration system? 15:35:26 well, yeah, but we don't need to be restrained by what has been configured there but by when we have the venue available and can start to get DebCamp set up :) 15:35:54 Jun 21 is the first day for dormitory. 15:36:24 DLange: If you come early you may have to consult hotels or hostels nearby 15:36:59 thanks 15:37:31 * medicalwei 's home is quite messy but he's generally welcome if they don't mind 15:37:39 also quite a bit far as well 15:37:55 Okay with next meeting schedule everyone? 15:37:58 does medicalwei live in hsinchu 15:38:15 same day same time is okay for me. 15:38:20 jidanni: no, but my friends and families do. 15:38:27 +1 15:38:38 #agreed We will have next meeting scheduled at 2018-06-21 14:30 UTC 15:38:39 Does medicalwei live in Taipei? 15:38:43 jidanni: Keelung 15:38:49 Gaaaaaaaa 15:39:00 o/ thanks folks 15:39:08 #endmeeting