14:31:05 #startmeeting 14:31:05 Meeting started Thu Apr 26 14:31:05 2018 UTC. The chair is medicalwei. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:31:05 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 14:31:14 #topic Roll call 14:31:24 Hello. 14:31:36 Please say hi for those who are here to meet, and please check https://deb.li/3OYuV for the meeting agenda today. 14:31:38 O/ 14:31:45 o/ 14:31:48 hail. 14:31:56 using phone now 14:32:10 * nattie already said hi 14:32:43 Also for local team, please check the local meeting page to forward message here: https://hackmd.io/c/SJNqV3wqf/https%3A%2F%2Fhackmd.io%2Fs%2FByOu6Y32f 14:32:58 medicalwei[m]: on the budget-500 you need to adjust the comments as well, otherwise this is very confusing ("estimation with 400", "estimated for 4000 cups of coffee + 2000 teabags" etc.) 14:33:39 #topic Open Day 14:34:02 #action AndrewLee to arrange time slots. 14:34:09 Anything else? 14:34:34 A.M. already fixed. 14:34:34 DLange: okay. will adjust this right now 14:34:41 thanks 14:34:54 #info Morning sessions are fixed. 14:35:35 Anything else? 14:35:52 * medicalwei make commits during chairing. :/ 14:36:35 next topic? 14:36:36 #topic Fundraising 14:36:53 #info NCHC and III want to co-organize the event. 14:37:01 Do we have concerns with sponsors? 14:37:07 don't forget to check if sponsor want to participate jobfair 14:37:24 #info Please check if sponsor want to participate jobfair 14:37:26 \o 14:37:47 bremner mentioned that we don't upset our sponsors because of co-organizers 14:38:02 we don't want to* 14:38:03 ._. 14:38:20 only if they get more benefits for less money/services 14:38:30 bremner: I think not. 14:38:30 I don't think this will be problematic in these case as they are government organizations basically, correct? 14:38:49 DLange: yes. But III will probably not meet the silver standard (they want job booth) 14:39:08 I hope they can and we give the budget estimation for them to pick something they can reimburse 14:39:14 ack 14:39:16 (this is public in #debconf-team) 14:40:12 And I hope we can put co-organizers' logo into t-shirts banners and video stream as in silver sponsorship perk 14:40:57 If that's applicable (and they meet silver standard) can we do this? 14:41:31 *if* they sponsor enough to qualify for a level, yes 14:41:38 Okay. 14:41:45 like bremner said, no free rides or everybody wants one next year 14:42:26 #agreed If co-organizers can meet the level equal to sponsors, we can give the perks in the same level. 14:43:18 Also I will put NCHC as one of the co-organizers, and they can reimburse up to 200,000 NTD 14:43:32 (which is 50,000 NTD over the silver level) 14:43:48 +1 14:44:13 #info Another wave of Taiwanese media exposure. https://technews.tw/2018/04/24/free-software-debian-conference-first-hold-in-taiwan-wil-be-hosted-in-hsinchu-chiao-tung-university-during-summer-vacation/ 14:44:17 Anything else? 14:44:47 #topic Budgeting 14:44:58 #link https://lists.debian.org/debconf-team/2018/04/msg00080.html 14:45:11 #link https://salsa.debian.org/debconf-team/public/data/dc18/tree/master/budget 14:45:53 Please check the budget and if that's all OK I will send an email to DPL for apprival 14:46:01 s/apprival/approval 14:46:30 * larjona waves, commuting 14:46:32 do we have an offer to back up the estimation for the bedding cost ("Budget:Accommodations:Sleeping mats")? 14:47:00 related, what about Sleeping bags? 14:47:06 The camping companies do give us offer and this is actually overestimation 14:47:31 I never heard of guests having to bring blankets with them on the airplane. Makes Taiwan look bad. 14:47:33 bremner: sleeping bags (for summer) are okay but I am not sure if everyone is okay with that option... 14:47:49 jidanni: well, you must be new here. last debconf was exactly the same 14:47:59 bremner: they did offer blankets from red cross 14:48:05 oh, my bad 14:48:19 but that was a fallback option 14:48:20 the default was to bring one's own sleeping bag though 14:48:28 so, we need a mattress and a sleeping bag and a pillow per person 14:48:34 is that covered by the budget line? 14:48:48 DLange: That's *over* our current budget 14:48:54 if all these combined 14:49:10 well, people need these to sleep 1 or 2 weeks on site 14:49:30 so please get an offer for that and put that in the budget 14:49:40 True... If all these combined, one of my quotes suggested that to be 1050 TWD per person 14:49:52 we cannot have people sleep on wood with a thing sleeping bag and no pillow 14:49:57 which is, actually, well covered by our accommodation fee 14:50:23 that's 29 EUR for those less familiar with TWD 14:50:28 seems reasonable to me 14:50:58 OK. I will reevaluate that part before sending the budget review (without discount. they say they can probably give us discount) 14:51:18 (But I don't know about the discount amount) 14:51:48 #action medicalwei to reevaluate the accommodation cost before sending the budget approval request 14:51:55 Anythin else? 14:52:09 are people comfortable with the cost of the conference dinner? 14:52:34 I am actually not so comfortable with that. It is 1000 NTD per person 14:52:49 which is about 27.61 EUR 14:52:55 by standards of most conferences, that is cheap 14:53:04 but *shrug*, it is a big number 14:53:08 are you sure the line in the ledger file is correct 14:53:29 so the USD = TWD thing works? 14:53:32 I rounded the numbers... 14:53:37 ok 14:53:39 Do I have to put it in TWD? 14:53:46 no, USD is fine 14:53:51 OK 14:54:04 Actual ledgers will be put in the correct currency 14:54:12 Anything else? 14:54:12 right 14:54:50 I'd like to hear from other team members about the dinner, so we agree it's ok 14:54:54 lgtm. Once you have the bedding cost complete, pls. submit for approval and tell Chris how much more we have to account for at +100 more people 14:55:02 (don't send two ledgers, please) 14:55:23 (Okay) 14:55:33 I am really not sure if the price is reasonable. Will check if offline. 14:55:44 Also, another approval request will be sent if we have extra funds 14:55:45 bremner: sounds a but expansive yes, but it depends what it includes 14:55:59 We have stretch goals of chopsticks and towel 14:56:05 pollo: I'm more thinking as a fraction of the budget. 14:56:10 For dc17 the dinner was expensive if you include the cost of the tower 14:57:09 yeah, the range is within what we had elsewhere and honestly, we'll get much more bang for the buck food-wise in Taiwan than most other places 14:57:59 Anything else on the budgeting? 14:58:16 #topic Venue 14:58:19 you'll be doing the accounting of expenses, too? 14:58:30 * medicalwei is a hydra right now ;w; 14:58:32 yes. 14:58:39 ack, thanks 14:59:04 #info We seems cannot rent more rooms from NCTU. We have to look for existing rooms for unconferences. 14:59:09 czchen: could you confirm that 14:59:13 We can book rooms from engineering build 3. 14:59:39 We have classroom list in mail, I think 2 rooms, 45 and 60 ppl are enough? 14:59:41 #action czchen to check if we can book rooms from Engineering Building. 14:59:53 That would be a little bit too far away? 15:00:19 But there is no room left in MIRC 15:00:27 We can only get room in engineering build 3. 15:00:39 Okay 15:00:58 Is 2 rooms enough ? I will send the mail to book them if it is okay. 15:00:59 #action medicalwei to send requests to NCTU IT dept. for Wi-Fi and VLAN setup. 15:01:07 czchen: yes. 15:01:23 The timeframe will be 7/30, 7/31, 8/2, 8/3, Mon, Thu, Thr, Fri right? 15:01:43 I think that's sufficient. 15:02:05 #action czchen will book 2 rooms from engineering build 3, timeframe is 7/30, 7/31, 8/2, 8/3. 15:02:20 #info No Wi-Fi in dorm rooms. Only ethernet is available. 15:03:11 Maybe we need to info attendee to bring ethernet cable ? 15:03:31 good idea. 15:03:39 #action someone to write FAQ to request attendees bringing their own ethernet cable and devices. 15:03:46 some idea of long or short cable would be good 15:03:50 What if it is too cold at night and they only brought one blanket? Stallman would throw a fit. 15:03:55 Note that some laptops don't have ethernet access built-in 15:04:30 medicalwei: if people know in advance they can bring a small wifi router. will that be ok? 15:04:32 I think 1m cable is enough. 15:04:44 bremner: I think that's okay. Even laptops can do that 15:05:08 But Wi-Fi etiquettes must be well respected 15:05:14 (channel stuffs) 15:05:28 ok 15:06:10 #info https://i.imgur.com/dgLLVxH.jpg Now we have Enrico Zini in the entrance of the venue 15:07:00 heh. trust enrico to make a polyamory-sounding poster 15:07:32 :3 15:08:06 Also we have discussions about the accommodation in the venue during budget session already. 15:08:18 Wait, I never heard of guests having to bring blankets with them on the airplane. Makes Taiwan look bad. 15:08:21 What if they only bring one blanket, and find out that the air conditioning is too cold... but there are "no extra blankets in the middle of the night available in the closet in Taiwan"... so shiver and catch a cold. Stallman would throw a fit. 15:08:43 ^ jidanni's comment from the agenda 15:08:58 Stallman isn't coming, but maybe there will be "Stallman II" coming. 15:09:21 people are free to arrange their own accomodation. 15:09:33 They are very picky and if the temperature is not exactly perfect they 15:09:34 debconf accomodation has often been pretty basic 15:09:35 Anything else? 15:09:40 will throw a fit. 15:10:11 They will call room service angrily. 15:10:21 too bad we have no room service 15:10:33 I am going to add a sleeping bag (winter) into the options 15:10:47 how about four layers of merino wool clothing? 15:10:49 That will also be included in our budgeting stuff 15:10:54 Anyway better have some emergency blankets ready! 15:10:55 * DLange needs to run out for 5 mins 15:11:14 Anything else? 15:11:16 Secret emergency blankets for Stallman II. 15:11:19 Nothing from me. 15:11:27 nothing more from jidanni 15:11:34 :3 15:11:59 I think adding sleeping bags into the accommodation could resolve the no-blanket issue 15:12:00 You have never hosted a Stallman. You don't know. 15:12:51 Okay next 15:12:54 #topic Swags 15:12:57 He will mention us in his blog. OK I'm thorugh. 15:13:19 #info I am planning to order Gildan t-shirts printed by "myif". 150 TWD per 1 shirt 15:13:34 #link Catalog: https://i.imgur.com/t14G1tO.jpg 15:14:08 We can also order fit cut shirts if we want to 15:14:27 Sizes are in US spec so we don't have to do size conversions by ourselves 15:14:32 medicalwei: what is the reason not to have "orga" and "video", on the t-shirts? 15:14:45 But despite Gildan offers 5XL t-shirts, they don't import them to Taiwan 15:15:05 pollo: ...that's from the opinions of local meeting 15:15:17 also jidanni suggested we can let attendees choose their favorite color 15:15:19 ........... 15:15:23 nope 15:15:24 Please no 15:15:25 * medicalwei hides in a box 15:15:25 so, no, and no 15:15:39 we can ask the 5XL people whether they are o.k. with 4XL. The 5XL is - for the people I know - not really needed, they just like their shirts very big 15:15:53 DLange: that's what I am doing the evaluation 15:16:20 Also do anyone have ethics concern? 15:16:30 (I am... okay with that... i think) 15:17:28 Currently my color choices are: 15:17:39 Purple (81C) for attendees (Navy (32C) for 3XL and 4XL); Dark red (11C) for orga (Grey (95H) for 4XL); Grey (95H) for video team 15:17:53 those sound reasonable 15:18:00 looks good to me 15:18:11 fair enough 15:18:16 Some colors are not available for big sizes 15:18:18 DC16 revival, more purple shirts :) 15:18:22 dark red and grey again? sad! (no, really, this is fine) 15:18:38 olasd: it's a 15/17 mashup! 15:18:44 The color scheme used in this DC is purple, red and white 15:18:54 medicalwei: right, it's fine :) 15:19:00 wouldn't a lighter color be better as we need to walk outside a km each time we want to reach accom or food? 15:19:09 (sun, hot ... dark shirts?) 15:19:21 DLange: it might also be very rainy 15:19:31 DLange: We can use Ubuntu Orange 15:19:38 * DLange would like an umbrella then instead of the shirt :) 15:19:41 and Fedora Blue (???? 15:19:51 yes, great idea 15:20:05 let's usurp them all! 15:20:06 the "fedora blue" debian tshirts at fosdem sold fine :P 15:20:27 And yes, the color and heat is the problem.... 15:20:55 I may want to change the red to 40C (lighter red) 15:21:00 hence my notion for light colors where possible 15:21:02 We made a blue tshirt here, and people love it (http://static.cloud-boxloja.com/lojas/k53hp/produtos/1f953e94-256e-476c-83a8-0a645a39b8c5.png) 15:21:15 anyway, everyone will have an opinion about color choices, the important thing is that the color works well with the design 15:21:19 looks very good lenharo 15:21:21 That's somehow looking like Arch Linux blue 15:21:32 Anyways 15:21:47 #action medicalwei to make T-shirt samples and color schemes for people to choose from 15:22:36 make one sound proposal, medicalwei 15:22:39 #agreed we print texts on the video team and orga members, which will be previewed. 15:22:48 don't overdo asking everybody about everything 15:22:54 just sayin' 15:23:16 * DLange suggee 15:23:33 * DLange suggests printing orga and video in Chinese characters 15:23:35 #info Towels are 200 TWD per one, and is listed as stretch goal if we have more funds 15:23:42 DLange: in the plan already 15:23:47 great 15:23:49 https://i.imgur.com/KDRWfks.jpg 15:24:21 Anything else? 15:24:29 No from me 15:24:41 those sketches look like they'd make cool tshirts 15:24:47 #topic Child care 15:24:55 gavin: ping 15:25:04 gavin: ping~~~ 15:25:35 medicalwei: maybe he is busy for taking care his daughter 15:25:36 could someone check wafer for me how many people have requested childcare? 15:25:49 szlin: gavin is in touch with me about childcare 15:26:03 #info gavin is in touch with nattie about childcare 15:26:12 All TSMC tour kids must go to child care. 15:26:14 so if he's not there right now, i suggest we move to the next item, and we'll update you next meeting 15:26:33 nattie: I see 15:26:36 Should there be a child care signup sheet? 15:26:50 #info TSMC tour don't allow kids. 15:26:51 no, it's already taken care of in registration 15:26:54 only olasd and tumbleweed can check that, nattie 15:27:07 I think they are the only admins this year 15:27:09 and I think we can safely move to next topic... 15:27:13 DLange: those were indeed the "someone"s i was addressing 15:27:16 #topic Video team 15:27:30 * medicalwei catching mosquitos but failed 15:27:59 We had a meeting yesterday, the A/V hardware rental list is finalized on https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf18/Videoteam 15:28:07 #link https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf18/Videoteam The hire list 15:28:26 #action medicalwei to contact MGdesigner for the hire list once budget is approved 15:28:58 Also prof at NCTU says they might not have computers available for us 15:29:01 what's the status with the mixing PCs and storage / streaming servers? 15:29:39 But we can ask NCHC since they probably have good equipments. Can we use servers for voctomix computers? 15:29:56 they need to fit in a room and be fairly silent 15:29:57 (if they don't have any tower PCs for the job) 15:30:04 OK 15:30:14 that was French for "no" 15:30:15 and they need two PCI-e 1x ports 15:30:21 Also NCHC is 1 alley across the NCTU 15:30:26 so that makes most server-class hardware out of the question 15:30:51 olasd: ...1U no, but probably yes for chassises more than 2u 15:30:59 but noise is a problem 15:31:38 Anyways we will contact NCHC for that matter 15:31:58 Anything else? olasd and pollo // 15:32:15 nope 15:32:20 Neither 15:32:25 Okay 15:32:29 #topic Catering 15:32:54 olasd, tumbleweed: we also need numbers for special requests on food 15:33:15 do you need them _now_ during the meeting? 15:33:19 4cat had updated catering info. in google doc. 15:33:40 olasd: afterwards okay 15:33:46 but just pinging on the matter 15:34:01 (along with childcare counts) 15:34:19 Halal stuffs, checked and I think we can ask 4cat on the matter. 15:34:25 Anything else? 15:34:34 Put an action for these? 15:34:45 none: 194, vegetarian: 37, vegan: 14, other: 12 15:34:50 #info 4cat is in charge of our catering 15:35:11 #action ask 4cat if and how we can special food requests. 15:35:16 gluten free 4 15:35:17 #undo 15:35:17 Removing item from minutes: 15:35:29 #action szlin to ask 4cat if and how we can special food requests. 15:35:41 #info none: 194, vegetarian: 37, vegan: 14, other: 12 (gluten-free: 4) 15:35:42 (and those people are vegetarian or "other") 15:36:04 olasd: Do we have halal or religion-related food restrictions? 15:36:14 I can't tell you at a glance 15:36:19 olasd: okay 15:36:26 Anything else? 15:36:30 but that's likely some of the 12 "other"s 15:36:50 Vegan is a subset of vegitarian... 15:37:08 we are aware of this, and we are using the terms as convenient shorthands 15:37:19 So feed the vegitarians vegan food. 15:37:21 where "vegetarian" is understood to mean "lacto-ovo vegetarian" 15:37:37 nattie: exactly 奶蛋素 15:37:43 medicalwei: you can move on 15:37:48 #topic Day Trip 15:37:52 jidanni: your turn 15:38:11 So now we have NCHC option... 15:38:22 For latecomers. 15:38:51 I believe we now have ample DayTrips. 15:39:36 So how many people will attend the conference? 200? 300/ 400? 15:39:36 #info We have NCHC tour, which is in walking distance. 15:39:47 jidanni: we are expecting 400, with 500 a possible goal 15:40:01 But i think only 60% will attend a day trip 15:40:02 (?) 15:40:15 OK we have enough daytrip spots! Phew! 15:40:30 Sigh of relief. 15:40:41 放心。 15:41:05 #info Jidanni will start the registarion to NCHC from Jun 1, since TSMC tour registration closes at end of May) 15:41:30 Anything else? 15:41:40 No. 15:41:43 No 15:41:46 #topic Miscellaneous 15:41:51 #link Local team meeting log https://hackmd.io/c/SJNqV3wqf/https%3A%2F%2Fhackmd.io%2Fs%2FByOu6Y32f 15:42:11 Next meeting at 2018-05-03 14:30 UTC ? 15:42:27 OK. 15:42:40 okay 15:42:48 works for me 15:43:01 #agreed Next #debconf-team meeting at 2018-05-03 14:30 UTC 15:43:22 Anything else? 15:43:32 I think I can start working on the budget 15:43:57 shouldn't you get some sleep first? 15:44:09 * medicalwei zzzs without endmeeting 15:44:16 hey! 15:44:22 #endmeeting