14:01:57 #startmeeting 14:01:57 Meeting started Mon Jul 17 14:01:57 2017 UTC. The chair is pollo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:01:57 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 14:02:01 #topic Roll Call 14:02:04 hola! 14:02:07 ohai 14:02:08 hi 14:02:09 please say hello if you are here for the meeting 14:02:09 heya 14:02:15 \_o< hello 14:02:18 o/ 14:02:22 I'm here for the beer lessons 14:02:24 meanwhile, take a look at the proposed agenda: http://deb.li/il9wc 14:02:52 i'm here for the bremner lessons 14:02:57 shorter agenda pls 14:03:26 o/ 14:03:32 anyone from content here to report? 14:03:53 A bit late, but I'm here... 14:03:55 O/ 14:05:29 is the agenda ok for everyone? 14:05:44 lgfm 14:05:56 #topic Registration 14:06:07 #info Registration was closed this morning 14:06:15 \o 14:06:19 so it turns out disabling new accommodation request is harder, so we just put a hammer to it 14:06:35 registration is now officially closed 14:06:48 wrt to people not registered, what is the downside of not giving them handmade badges? 14:07:01 so many not 14:07:01 I don't understand the issue 14:07:05 pollo: people here for the conf need a badge 14:07:26 seeing who's supposed to be there and who's not 14:07:27 so why wouldn't we give them one? 14:07:39 ... 14:07:49 I think the question was more general : are on-site showups accepted or not 14:08:01 generally they have been previously 14:08:02 ^ 14:08:04 sure, I mean, how could we control that anyway? 14:08:07 (I think it was never a question that yes, they were accepted, but apparently that was not clear) 14:08:09 I suggest we give people handmade badges upon FD registration, allow them to pay pro/corp fees if applicable and get a meal card, does that make sense to everyone? 14:08:24 LGTM 14:08:24 lavamind: sgtm 14:08:28 to me that was the plan all along 14:08:37 ok, now it's clear 14:08:44 question is how long registering will take, maybe there will be queues the first day? 14:09:04 not likely, most people should be registered via wafer, not? 14:09:08 #agreed people that are not registered will be given handmade badges upon FD registration, allowed to pay pro/corp fees if applicable and get a meal card 14:09:21 DLange: probably not Open Day attendees 14:09:39 may be, we'll find out :) 14:09:40 we won't pester people on OD to get badges 14:09:48 but then it's easy enough to volunteer more front desk minions 14:09:56 lavamind: you mean badger them :D 14:10:00 yes, at dc16 FD was way sleepy 14:10:27 I don't forsee any problems with FD being up to that task 14:10:30 We'll still allow registration for non-wafer-registered attendees on OD, right? 14:10:37 taowa: yes 14:10:38 taowa: and on other days 14:10:50 .oO(agreed: let's hold orga meetings at FD every two hours to keep them awake) 14:10:59 * nattie *looks* at olasd 14:11:05 if possible we might want to record the number of badges handed iut this way, but optional of course 14:11:06 And during debcamp? 14:11:22 numbered badges 14:11:29 (also helpful for keysigning) 14:11:48 Does on-site registration keep record in wafer? 14:11:58 olasd: ah, I forgot that 14:12:08 medicalwei: that might be useful 14:12:17 atm there is no way to link badges and people's gpg key # on the list 14:12:23 because wafer is not aware of that 14:12:54 FD can always keep a paper list, its not a big issue 14:13:20 I think that's it for registration ? 14:13:29 nattie: we started drafting a shopping list 14:13:32 let's make an upstream request for wafer to manage GPG key party :p 14:13:43 ah yes, please have a look at the shopping list 14:13:48 I want to order thing tomorrow 14:13:56 https://storm.debian.net/shared/O_wnxU9l5SU8nTMzZ3Aztqb8f-hSGnRDKckrghFJbzw 14:13:56 to be sure we get them in time 14:14:22 pollo: we also need random things for FD, that we don't have to buy from Amazon, eg. Shampoo :p 14:14:30 lavamind: listed there 14:14:41 we need to know where we'll get it anyway 14:14:52 and preferably got and buy it in advance 14:15:24 ... that's why we're making a shopping list ? /confused 14:15:28 * larjona waves, better late than never 14:15:46 anyway, moving on 14:15:48 lavamind: sure, my point is that I don't want to have to go around all debcamp buying sundries 14:16:10 pollo: i can go buy sundries if need be 14:16:10 pollo: it doesn't say you're the designated fetcher 14:16:21 #topic Job Fair 14:16:35 DLange: what was your questions about the job fair? 14:16:57 04:54:21 pollo, lavamind: which location will be job fair be at? 14:16:59 what room does it take place and when is the deadline for sending stuff to be put into the bags 14:17:21 it's going to be in the Foyer, the cental hall 14:17:40 and for the bag, I guess we should get thing before the 31st 14:18:01 ditto 14:18:10 that means people will not be able to bring stuff along 14:18:23 hrm 14:18:51 if they ship it must arrive before the 31st 14:19:03 and when they bring stuff onsite? 14:19:07 if they bring it, no later than Aug5 I would say ? 14:19:12 sgtm 14:19:26 sounds sane 14:19:29 I just won't be at home to receive packages after the 31st 14:19:56 so that means attendee bags will be stuffed on Sunday? 14:20:09 yeppers 14:20:11 hrm 14:20:40 #agreed swag for the swag bag should either arrive by mail before the 31st or in person on venue before the 5th 14:20:52 so the t-shirts will be in the bag? 14:21:05 we'll want to give out swag at the same time as the badges, as long as that's feasible 14:21:14 so, during DebCamp? 14:21:20 don't want to be a PITA but want to avoid that attendees just skip over the bags cause they think it's only swag anyway 14:22:04 IMO stuffing the bags Friday and handing them out starting saturday might be better cause that is when most people arrive(?) 14:22:20 I think people like bags 14:22:21 but if that's not feasible, later would work, of course 14:22:41 I agree with azeem_ ; I also think volunteers will have a lot to go around on saturday/sunday 14:22:43 we do have a lot of arrivals saturday 14:23:38 "before the 5th" == before saturday 14:24:05 so I think we're saying the same thing 14:24:23 well, maybe "by noon on the 4th, or it will be best-effort"? 14:24:30 "no later than august 5" means "on the 5th is okay" 14:24:52 pollo> #agreed swag for the swag bag should either arrive by mail before the 31st or in person on venue before the 5th 14:25:10 this meeting is quite confusing 14:25:12 ok, but what if somebody shows up at 10PM with swag and all the bags are stuffed?\ 14:25:14 I like azeem's formulation 14:25:15 sorry 14:25:32 #agreed swag for the swag bag should either arrive by mail before the 31st or in person on venue by noon on the 4th, or it will be best-effort 14:25:38 problem solved! 14:25:57 I volunteer to throw unbagged swag at people during talks 14:26:05 (who is telling sponsors that?) 14:26:14 DLange wrote a mail 14:26:19 or is writing one atm 14:26:20 DLange is currently drafting a mai 14:26:23 perfect 14:26:38 anything else on the Job Fair? 14:26:51 please make sure that the timeslot on the schedule is the proper size 14:26:57 I think we have 3-4 job booths confirmed ? 14:27:04 it was confusing and I did my best 14:27:04 I think someone fixed that this morning 14:27:05 olasd: I fixed that I think 14:27:07 it's 1:45 now which looks okish 14:27:14 azeem_ fixed that thankfully 14:27:16 azeem_: awesome 14:27:19 that's an issue with the coffee break 14:27:30 I'd prefer more sponsors, and in particular Platinum ones 14:27:35 yeah, 1:45 is close enough to two hours to be ok 14:27:41 bug Google and HPE declined, not sure about SFL 14:28:01 it can drag on during the coffee break and start in parallel with lunch as well 14:28:25 DLange: could you draft a simple list of which sponsors said they'd be there and contact info ? 14:28:40 I got the mails to sponsors@dc.o but wondering maybe you also got contacted privately 14:28:46 already in git, lavamind 14:28:49 is there a deadline for signup to the job fair? 14:28:51 ack 14:29:02 azeem_: Please let us know by Friday, 30 June 2017 whether you are planning a presence at our job fair. 14:29:11 ah ok 14:29:13 :) 14:29:35 * lavamind looks at gthe repo 14:29:48 next topic? 14:30:24 #topic Content 14:30:34 azeem_: that being said unless we have 10 confirmed sponsors we'll be able to add more if needed 14:30:36 #topic Schedule is published, a few new talks / BOFs need to be places still (=not approved in system yet) 14:30:41 grr 14:30:43 sorry 14:30:45 #topic Content 14:30:48 #info Schedule is published, a few new talks / BOFs need to be places still (=not approved in system yet) 14:30:53 pollo: you have #undo as well 14:30:57 ah 14:31:05 we'll I guess I'll do that next time 14:31:07 :) 14:31:13 olasd: now you bring it up, two years into struggling with meetbot :p 14:32:01 HPE contacted us requesting a keynote slot for a talk on the Machine by keithp; I told them it's way too late and that we don't do keynotes anyway, but that we'd see about getting Keith's talk accepted 14:32:48 Can we blog+microblog about the schedule, or should we wait until the layout is improved? (I've had a look and looked good to me, except I was missing some horizontal lines between different talks in some slots) 14:32:49 anybody feel like it's a bad idea to have accept his talk this late, provided we can schedule it on a regular slot (not plenary) in the main auditorium? 14:32:51 ah, the agenda confused me (why would Roche schedule a talk about The Machine ?!) 14:32:58 larjona: I think it's not final, not sure 14:33:15 oh I didn't even look at the agenda, sorry 14:33:18 azeem_: I don't even really object to a plenary, but I take it you do? 14:33:23 to me the schedule is as final as it will get 14:33:26 azeem_: I don't think its a bad idea 14:33:30 bremner: we have those fixed already 14:33:34 I think 14:33:37 ok 14:33:54 I think it's fine as I think the talk will be relevant to DebConf attendees? 14:34:10 also, we have three platinum sponsors and SFL submitted lots of talks some/most of which got rejected 14:34:29 I'll shop it to the content team, hoping it will fly 14:34:38 which is what I told HPE 14:35:07 olasd: yeah, I think it's mostly relevant and obviously not a sales pitch 14:35:14 ack 14:35:27 anyone against microblogging the current schedule? 14:35:32 I agree, let's go ahead and schedule it 14:35:32 no 14:35:38 wait 14:35:51 I'm thinking in a blogpost 14:35:54 wait a few days before promoting the schedule 14:36:04 lavamind: why? 14:36:07 that blogpost should highlight the planaries e.g. 14:36:10 yes 14:36:19 because there are still changes pending (see backlog) 14:36:22 pollo: did gwolf sign-off on the schedule? I didn't follow uover the weekend 14:36:24 lavamind: sure, I just meant publicizing the schedule one way or another 14:36:41 we can probably publicize a preliminary schedule 14:36:44 lavamind: there will be changes until debconf start anyway 14:36:59 but the bulk of the talks are going to stay the same 14:37:06 and the slots won't change anymore 14:37:07 gwolf is away and said to go ahead afaik? 14:37:19 ok, let's do it like this: we try to draft a blogpost about the schedule and send to debconf-team@ for review and ack about when to publish 14:37:21 (he told us to decide) 14:37:25 +1 I don,t think we can wait for gwolf to approve 14:37:40 larjona: wfm 14:37:44 larjona: sounds good to me 14:38:23 yes 14:38:31 self-scheduling? 14:38:44 I was thinking we would use a chalk board 14:38:57 or something similar 14:39:00 "Ad-hoc activities probably go to a whiteboard or chalk board or on a glass pane @ FD" 14:39:03 seemed to work fine at dc15 14:39:08 yes, that sounds good 14:39:17 yeah, but we put those into the system each night 14:39:30 not everybody checks the chalkboard 14:39:35 there was a whiteboard at dc15? 14:39:40 ana: it was a paper board 14:39:41 ana: at FD 14:39:44 near FD 14:39:46 i didn't see it 14:40:00 azeem_: someone (tm) will need to commit to it 14:40:02 (along the glass wall to the food zone) 14:40:18 well, I can probably do that, now that I've confirmed attendence 14:40:25 we'll need to make it clear that people need to self-schedule at least 1 day in advance 14:40:34 also, if we have those daily announcements, it would be good to put up the schedule there 14:40:35 pollo: no, exactly one day in advance 14:40:44 right 14:40:51 we need to avoid people hoarding free slots 14:40:59 ah, right 14:40:59 there's also the problem about slot-hoarding 14:41:05 so I agree with olasd 14:41:22 we'll just make the layout for the next day then 14:41:31 thum 14:41:32 bs up 14:41:40 the question is whether we also make people enter their talks into wafer 14:41:45 and maybe reference an ID 14:41:51 that remove some of the work from us 14:42:02 azeem_: I think that would be reasonable 14:42:16 wafer is friendly enough, methinks 14:42:36 if we use a glass pane at FD, FD will be the ones handing out the special chalk pens anyway 14:43:44 btw, will there be any natural BoF meeting points for BoFs which don't need any infrastructure? 14:43:50 let's #agree then: self-schedule opens the day before on a glass pane at FD; sessions should be registered in wafer beforehand (if possible); azeem_ fills the schedule for the next day on the evenings? 14:44:05 there's two BoF rooms (potato and woody) without infra 14:44:06 sounds good 14:44:06 and the ones who have the wiper to remove hoarded slots (if that is an issue at all, wasn't for DC15) 14:44:08 olasd: 👍 14:44:25 #agreed self-schedule opens the day before on a glass pane at FD; sessions should be registered in wafer beforehand (if possible); azeem fills the schedule for the next day on the evenings 14:44:29 DLange: we only put up paper for two days in advance 14:44:42 one day or two days is fine by me 14:44:48 just don't put the whole conf up at once 14:44:50 azeem_: which is a very sane thing to do and DC17 seems to follow this, too 14:44:50 :) 14:44:56 we'll figure that out by the opening ceremony for you to announce 14:45:18 we need to make sure to mark the original schedule for video 14:45:43 (so we can avoid videoing the self-scheduled things that end up in regular rooms) 14:45:58 can we drop the constraint on video reviewer, and remove the field? 14:46:03 olasd: I though we were only self-scheduling potato and woody 14:46:13 then you could discern between reviewer or not to figure that out 14:46:23 pollo: well, if there's holes in the schedule, we can fill those 14:46:30 should we not? 14:46:30 pollo: that works as well, but I think it's a bit wasteful? 14:46:36 I don't care much either way 14:46:55 otherwise it's going to be complicated video wise 14:47:07 in which way? 14:47:10 not really, provided we have a volunteer registration system 14:47:15 people are going to expect rex buzz and bo to be videoed at all time 14:47:30 I know of no such expectations 14:47:35 not if we make it clear that that won't happen (or that it's BYOV) 14:47:41 (bring your own volunteers) 14:48:05 well, we wouldn't want to just let people tape it without training, no? 14:48:33 of course 14:48:35 I don't mind about keeping a screen grab and the mic open, but review/encoding etc. would also eat resources 14:48:49 it's up to the v-t, I'd say 14:49:00 but it should be decided beforehand 14:49:01 well, I can volunteer to say no to people who want to video self-scheduled sessions in the main rooms 14:49:08 some room are not suited to self-scheduling 14:49:13 at least Buzz is not 14:49:23 I've been dealing a lot of nos with bursaries, I don't mind a few more 14:49:24 we can leave Buzz out 14:49:59 but then maybe we can compromise that Buzz is always video-taped, but content will make sure every session is accepted, even if on very short notice? 14:50:10 for the other rooms, as long as it's clear they won,t be videoed for self-scheduling I don,t mind 14:50:13 maybe that's a bad idea, dunno 14:50:25 azeem_: I think that's a bad idea 14:51:18 +1 14:51:20 can we stream but not record? So people can remote participate and use the infra we have but the video team has as little work as possible and the disks are not filled? 14:51:50 we never turn off recording 14:51:51 buzz seems to have around 5 holes in it right now 14:51:52 technically 14:52:04 (nor streaming) 14:52:27 anyway, that's something to talk about off-meeting 14:52:40 sure, anything else on Content? 14:52:53 can't think of anything right now 14:52:56 well, maybe 14:53:03 do we proivde laserpointers? 14:53:09 and or clicker 14:53:26 I think the video team has laser pointers in the connector baggy 14:53:31 need to check 14:53:47 clicker I'm not sure 14:53:47 azeem_: as for clickers, if people need them there are apps for that 14:53:55 * azeem_ likes that Logitech USB clicker/laserpointer 14:54:02 well ok 14:54:05 bring one for you :) 14:54:10 heh 14:54:23 add that as a volunteer task :P 14:54:27 not sure people want us to provide USB things we pluged in a hundred laptops before 14:54:34 we expect speaker to BYOD? 14:54:42 pollo: hrm, irght 14:54:44 right( 14:55:14 EOT for me 14:55:14 100 Debian Developpers Hacked at DebConf After Using the Same USB Device 14:55:24 # topic DC18 status update 14:55:29 #topic DC18 status update 14:55:42 No update from me 14:55:52 pollo, I think we have nothing to update till the end of the DC17? 14:56:05 cool! 14:56:06 :) 14:56:10 #endmeeting