14:00:33 #startmeeting 14:00:33 Meeting started Mon Jun 19 14:00:33 2017 UTC. The chair is pollo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00:33 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 14:00:37 #topic Roll Call 14:00:48 hello 14:00:50 please say hello if you are here for the meeting 14:00:58 o/ 14:01:01 hello 14:01:05 meanwhile, please take a look at the proposed agenda: http://deb.li/il9wc 14:01:50 OwO/ 14:02:09 Hi 14:02:49 lavamind, LeLutin, tvaz ? 14:02:50 hi 14:02:55 hello 14:03:01 having trouble with my irc proxy 14:03:23 bypassing then 14:04:01 Commuting back home here 14:04:37 #topic Bursaries 14:05:02 olasd: could you give us quick stats about how many ppl accepted their bursaries? 14:07:08 I forgot to send a reminder for the meeting on the ML, but I did not think it would make that much an impact... 14:07:10 hello 14:07:12 #topic Registration 14:07:45 I don,t feel we should stop registrations, only new accomm & t-shirts request 14:08:09 what we agreed on last meeting was to stop that at the end of the confirmation period 14:08:20 o/ bit late, sorry 14:08:36 but nothing has been done to make confirmation happen 14:08:42 pollo: we can take registrations up unitl we need to print badges 14:08:43 I agree with not stopping reg now 14:08:58 lavamind: so 3 days before debcamp? 14:09:25 a week or so, sure 14:09:28 can we host (say) 500 people? 14:09:33 I don't really mind either way 14:09:55 DLange: yes, but I don't think it'll happen 14:10:07 regarding talk rooms and general space? I think so 14:10:14 then that's fine 14:10:18 if there's no space problem, then there's no need to stop registrations 14:10:19 DLange: well we can't host 2000 people, I don't see the point 14:10:25 (sorry I'm late) 14:10:35 we may want to stop badges, shirts and other eventual goods only 14:11:00 We have ~20 new regs last week. So somewhere people are promoting DC17 and people still register. 14:11:09 we can't take registrations and not give out badges, that is a minimum 14:11:30 s/badges/bags 14:11:30 I doubt we'll get a batch of 300 registering in a week. But some dozens are possible and I hear that's fine for the venue and food etc. So all good. 14:11:46 tvaz: ?? 14:11:59 you can always give out a blank badge and a sharpie to people who registered after the others were printed 14:12:09 olasd: true 14:12:17 lavamind, in my phrase 14:12:28 we may want to stop badges, shirts and other eventual goods only 14:12:43 tvaz: ah ok hehe 14:12:47 :) 14:12:50 anything to add to this topic? 14:13:13 stop a list of people who registered before july 1st; they get priority for swag; the others can get swag say after the day trip if the others didn't collect 14:13:15 #agreed? 14:13:23 yes please 14:13:35 we agreed on that last week... 14:13:56 olasd: can't we get registrations listed by reg dates? 14:14:18 no, but we can dump a list at a cutoff date 14:15:14 #agreed we will dump a list of people who registered before july 1st; they get priority for swag; the others can get swag say after the day trip if the others didn't collect 14:15:24 anything else? 14:15:33 conference dinner space? 14:15:41 (I said day trip as it's "in the middle of DebConf") 14:15:50 for last minute registration...? 14:16:01 tvaz: I don't understand 14:16:03 can't remember how many people we can have in the towner 14:16:04 tower 14:16:12 tvaz: we'll use the same list 14:16:13 pollo: what's the capacity for conference dinner 14:16:16 there is a Conference dinner topic 14:16:36 my question is if we should give priority to conf dinner as well for those registered earlier 14:16:44 tvaz: yes I think so 14:16:48 afaiu, people are not registered for the conf dinner by default 14:17:06 pollo: there is no seperate registration for that 14:17:16 we'll spin up a list on the wiki 14:17:19 I guess 14:17:22 no? 14:17:39 we cannot take for granted ppl will want to shell out the extra $$$ 14:17:42 and expect 350 people to sign up ? I don't think so 14:17:48 isn't that on your food punch card? 14:18:10 no, I don,t think there is an option to register for that on the form 14:18:26 there's a checkbox for dinner on the conference dinner day 14:18:37 on the reg form 14:18:59 if people self pay food, it will be part of their bill 14:19:00 ack and we can't have everybody think about when there will be conf dinner 14:19:19 lavamind: will it? it's not on the confirmation screen 14:19:20 if people are sponsored, it is paid for them 14:19:20 so people expect to be fed. Paid or not paid but have food available. 14:19:33 o/ my vps got shutdown right before the meeting :( 14:19:35 (it's not any different from another dinner) 14:19:41 that's it 14:19:42 olasd: that's a bug 14:19:49 ah, I thought ppl had to pay extra 14:19:51 but the second part of the conference dinner 14:19:52 #save 14:20:00 it's about time people notice 14:20:07 lets call it conference party to avoid confusion 14:20:16 LeLutin_: http://meetbot.debian.net/debconf-team/2017/debconf-team.2017-06-19-14.00.log.txt 14:20:22 in the tower, not sure if we can have ~500 people over there 14:20:29 tvaz: we agreed to move the dinner to the tower 14:20:38 DLange: thanks 14:20:41 but not at the top rooms where there's not enough space 14:20:57 there is space at the base of the tower 14:21:14 lavamind, ok, got it, for the top people will organize themselves there 14:21:17 worst case scenario there will be turns for food 14:21:25 fine 14:21:27 for the room available at the top, normally it's 450, but oiur contact said if there's a band that eats up some capacity, they didn't say how much 14:21:38 or we will eat at the bottom of the tower and move to the top for the music 14:21:57 perfect then, I doubt there will be more than 450 over there at the same time 14:22:03 right 14:22:13 anyway, I tink we all agree on first reg has priority 14:22:24 can we move to the next topic? 14:22:29 yes, thanks 14:22:36 #topic Bursaries 14:22:39 I would still very much like to know who checked food for that day 14:22:51 whether sponsored or not 14:22:55 olasd: could you give us quick stats about how many ppl accepted their bursaries? 14:22:59 yes, moment 14:24:33 94 accepted food+accomm (85 food, 73 accomm), 49 accepted travel 14:25:53 #info 94 accepted food+accomm (85 food, 73 accomm), 49 accepted travel 14:26:03 olasd: if I could also get a list of names in PM for the 4 ppl who asked for the hotel 14:26:07 that's still short of the 150ppl we had planned for 14:26:28 pollo: there's 55 people with a pending request 14:26:34 so that's less than 150 anyway 14:26:49 when is the cutoff for round2 ? 14:27:12 24 june 14:27:39 anything else to add? 14:27:45 we've had three cancellations for travel so far, so I think a round 3 is unlikely 14:27:50 not sure if it's the right topic, but we may want to communicate some numbers to the catering service 14:27:57 soon-ish 14:28:18 tvaz: well we still plan to feed around 350, as planned 14:28:46 do we have to give them more precise numbers than that soon? 14:29:05 by the numbers I thought it wouldn't reach 250 14:29:07 is it possible to squeeze in food for me? I registered too late (sorry) 14:29:21 but I've been away from reg numbers for a few weeks 14:29:45 can we #agree to sponsor food for LeLutin ? 14:29:53 +1 14:29:55 yes 14:29:56 we his orga and needs to be there 14:30:20 a local orga hungry doesn't give any good for the conference 14:30:22 tvaz: Toute augmentation de plus de 30 portions doit être mentionnée au moins 30 jours avant la date 14:30:23 prévue du repas 14:30:38 so we still have until july 1st to adjust things 14:30:51 pollo, thanks, I'll keep this date in mind 14:31:13 #info we'll have to adjust meal numbers with the caterer on july 1st 14:31:18 actually I'll make it a kanban issue 14:31:22 lavamind has an ical file for deadlines, may be add that there 14:31:34 or that ^ :) 14:31:45 bad LeLutin_ 14:31:57 (also yeah) 14:32:17 #agreed LeLutin's food will be sponsored, even though he registered late 14:32:39 #topic Volunteering system 14:32:49 olasd: thanks 14:32:53 abdelq: have you had time to set up a sprint date? 14:34:47 #topic Anti-harassment status 14:35:11 03Jerome Charaoui 05master 6784d6b 06debconf-data/dc17 10misc/until-dc17.ics Update calendar 14:37:11 lavamind: you sent a mail to AH? 14:37:16 ok so I sent the email 14:37:22 I'm not coming to DebConf. The other team members (Marga and Neil McGovern) I think they will attend but I have no idea about if they are available for the DebConf17 AH team 14:37:25 03Tiago Bortoletto Vaz created the task #184 Provide numbers to catering service if numbers oscilates ~30 meals in a day 10https://kanban.debian.net/t/184#event-1308 14:37:27 the mail was received 14:37:55 larjona and I sent emails, but no one has replied 14:38:17 we talked about it in person the other day and still think we should have a designated team at DC17 to deal with AH issues 14:38:18 we will probably need to build a team for dc17 specifically 14:38:31 I can take care of the mailbox during DebConf (I won't be on VAC) and I can help remotely 14:38:33 marga is in this channel. we could reach out through here also 14:38:52 I'm here, and I respond to highlights :) 14:38:57 I can volunteer to be part of it, but not alone 14:39:07 I have started my visa process, I'm anxiously awaiting the result 14:39:22 thou shall pass! 14:39:37 We'll see. I have my tickets already, so I really hope so. 14:39:53 I'm willing to take any bet, don't worry! 14:39:59 I'd be ok being AH on-site, but not alone. 14:40:04 marga: do you want to spearhead that project? the goal would have to have a clear team of ppl one can talk to onsite 14:40:08 marga: ack, thank you 14:40:58 local team has a hard time with building such a team ourselves since we haven't been in the project for long enough 14:41:37 marga, if you would be willing to recruit a few extra people, say 1-3, that would be quite helpful (as I said, I volunteer as well) 14:41:46 whyever do you need to be in the project for a long time just to make an AH team for a conference? 14:41:56 I'd be willing to be on the team also but I'd need some crash course on how to respond and handle the cases 14:42:06 Ganneff, people have to trust you to come with their problems to you 14:42:24 I don't think everybody in the team needs to have been in the project for a long time, but it makes sense to have some members in that class 14:42:25 ^^ and we don't know who is part of what old feuds 14:42:26 LeLutin_, you'll be in a team and can discuss it together with them 14:42:40 pollo: which is a good thing 14:43:40 I'd rather prefer 'fresh' people to be part of this team 14:44:18 marga: so will you take the task of finding others to help you with AH? 14:44:30 uhm 14:45:18 I think we can agree that the best is to have a mix, and we have it already 14:45:34 Is there people in the local team willing to volunteer for this? 14:45:41 marga: yes, me and LeLutin 14:45:42 so can we agree marga, lavamind and LeLutin_ ? 14:45:57 Ah, ok. Sounds good then 14:45:57 * medicalwei thinks he is unable to do that for some personal issues... 14:46:06 And Neil as well if he's attending DebConf 14:46:19 #info AH team on-site will be made of Neil, Marga, Lavamind & LeLuting 14:46:25 thanks 14:46:33 #topic Venue & accommodation 14:46:45 hehe my nick name with a south of france twist :) 14:46:46 that was quick, heh 14:47:10 ok so for the venue I have to reach out to the manager who hasn't sent the updated contract yet 14:47:32 doesn't really matter too much yet as we're witholding their deposit in the mean time :p 14:47:55 I also sent the proof of insurance, waiting for feedback on that 14:48:15 I discussed childcare with Noah some more (from the childcare collective) 14:48:37 he will reach out to his contacts in the fields of childcare to get their thoughts on insurance & liability 14:49:26 my own kids have been accepted in full time childcare a few days ago, so we are down to 2 requests 14:49:55 as for accommodation 14:50:12 the hotel manager wants a premilimary rooming list, I said I'd send something this week 14:51:05 pollo and I bought the required cloth to equip the dorms, some 315 yards of fantastic peach colored Shancton imitation silk 14:51:18 it will be the shaggiest debconf of all 14:51:26 70's style, fuck yeah 14:52:01 I think that's about it 14:52:24 the dealine to tell mcgill who sleeps there is July 1st right? 14:53:36 pollo: July 5 14:53:44 ah, that's even better 14:53:58 #topic Content 14:54:06 is someone from content team here? 14:54:09 gwolf, azeem ? 14:54:37 since a lot of bursaries have been confirmed, it would be nice to have a preliminary schedule... 14:55:18 it would also help a lot at this point to agree on the daily schedule ... 14:55:30 lavamind: we did 14:55:40 or at least we proposed the content team a canvas 14:55:47 ah right right 14:55:52 but its not official 14:55:55 remind me .. 9-12, 14-18? 14:56:11 s/18/19/ if needed 14:56:19 but yeah, something like that 14:56:37 lavamind: that's because content team has to look at the talk submissions and propose something 14:57:41 anyway, I'm sure gwolf will read the backlog 14:57:48 #topic conference dinner 14:58:00 tvaz: how is the search for bands going? 14:58:03 well the tower people are pestering me to know what time our event starts 14:58:20 when it's ready 14:58:22 lavamind: 19:00? 14:58:22 they don't what to consider writing a contract before that 14:58:23 :D 14:58:43 I think it's fine if the dinner is a little later than normally 14:59:08 pollo, contacted 3 bands / artists 14:59:10 i'd say 19:00 to 02:00 14:59:13 pollo: so, setup for 18h00 to 19h00, then event 19h00 to 1h00, and teardown until 2h00 ? 14:59:25 sounds good to me 14:59:27 one is MaxD, who's available to it 14:59:49 waiting for details about cachet and equipment needed, but that shouldn't be any blocker 15:00:10 he's also registering for an installation during the conference 15:00:17 anyone against the proposed times for the conf dinner? 15:00:30 no, sounds good 15:00:48 #agreed for the conf dinner: setup for 18h00 to 19h00, then event 19h00 to 1h00, and teardown until 2h00 15:00:52 can we say we want the tower from 20h00 or 21h00 onward ? 15:01:08 lavamind: if we plan to eat at the bottom? 15:01:12 yes 15:01:14 MaxD: http://www.nnvtn.ca/ 15:01:20 thats the plan 15:01:34 20h30 seems ok. 1h to eat seems a little rushed 15:01:48 pollo: we wouldn't close the eating area at 20h 15:01:57 eating: 19h00 to 21h00 15:01:58 the times are good for me too 15:02:08 tower: 20h00 to 1h00 ? 15:02:27 +1 15:02:42 also, we will need an alcohol permit 15:03:01 the second one is thomas, his proposition here (in fr, sorry): https://pad.riseup.net/p/vYvH5u7F6epI 15:03:02 but that's only possible o0nce we have a contract 15:03:03 #agreed we'll rent the eating space from 19:00 to 21:00 and the tower from 20:00 to 01:00 15:03:20 also thomas: https://thomasdupouy.bandcamp.com/ 15:03:25 lavamind: I can deal with it, but it needs to be done quickly 15:03:43 pollo: ack 15:03:44 he plays with the synths he builds himself, that sounds really nice 15:03:53 lavamind: what is the plan to get alcohol? 15:04:21 we might want to have something else than the microbrew we will have at DC 15:04:34 I haven't looked at that at all 15:04:53 they have suggestions for caterers, but they look expensive 15:05:13 tvaz: do you think Le Dîner could handle the alcohol too? 15:05:29 pollo, I can ask them. For the tower? 15:05:39 yeah, a bar after the dinner 15:05:54 I'll ask them this week 15:06:15 #action tvaz to ask our caterer if they could manage the bar after the conf dinner 15:06:23 anything else on this topic? 15:06:45 #topic artwork 15:06:51 pollo, can you precise what you're thinking on 'managing'? 15:07:09 just providing? or serving as well? 15:07:10 tvaz: buy alcohol, serve & sell it? 15:07:22 they can keep the profits for all I care 15:07:34 as long as it's simple for us 15:07:39 ok will ask what're the options then 15:07:53 --artwork 15:07:57 valessio submitted artwork designs this week 15:08:07 for banners and for the bags 15:08:12 I really like them 15:08:18 I haven't heard from tammy since 15:08:27 so I think we'll go with those 15:08:46 payment for the t-shirts and the bags should have been made by now 15:08:59 pollo: they are in OC ? 15:10:12 lavamind: havent had time 15:10:31 should do it today 15:11:41 #topic Videoteam 15:11:53 sorry, I had an impromptu phone call 15:12:03 videoteam is gearing up 15:12:22 the DPL has approved funding for a bunch of things we'll need 15:12:34 ~ 30K eur if I remember correctly 15:12:46 so cameras are approved? 15:12:55 yeah 15:12:59 awesome! 15:13:14 appart from that one of the videoteam members, Kyle, has seen his travel bursary refused. It is the team understanding he undersold his request and that the team should have made clear to the bursaries team who we needed funded. 15:13:27 He managed to get a large part of his plane ticket (1000 USD) funded by other means, but the team decided to pay the reminded (up to 500 USD) from the videoteam budget. 15:13:33 We wanted to make sure this was ok with the orga team. 15:14:18 I'm fine with it 15:14:22 I think the real amount is closer to 250 USD 15:14:41 totally fine with me. as long as it doesn't blow the budget out of proportion (sounds like 500 USD wouldn't) 15:14:45 that's totally fine by me 15:15:06 is this fine for bursary, olasd? I mean it's a parallel process but then not much money and content is a bit similar. 15:15:14 #info the DPL has approved funding for new cameras and gizmos 15:15:55 DLange: olasd was there during the meeting since he's part of the videoteam and wasn't against it 15:16:17 it's still in parallel to his process hence I ask 15:16:30 DLange: I'm neutral about this; it's something to take into account for next year's bursary process: teams should make clear and in advance what volunteers are needed why 15:16:42 we know it's not the prefered way and will try to fix that in the future by giving out a proper list 15:16:59 ack. So "yes but this is the one exception"? 15:17:02 (I'm happy to share the blame on this, we bursaries didn't push hard) 15:17:56 yes 15:18:11 so, pollo #agree'd 15:18:52 #agreed the orga team is not against funding part of kyle's plane ticket from the videoteam budget 15:18:56 #topic DC18 status update 15:19:20 DC18 haz logo :) 15:19:25 :D 15:19:29 \0/ 15:19:56 #info https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf18/Artwork 15:20:10 OCF.tw meeting minute is in https://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20170618.113612.09debb74.en.html 15:20:18 The new logo is actually a remake from Valessio but I modified it subliminally 15:20:34 great international collaboration! 15:20:44 And stickers will be featured in DC17. I placed another batch of order today 15:21:00 #info there will be dc18 stickers at dc18 15:21:04 arf 15:21:07 #info there will be dc18 stickers at dc17 15:21:08 s/subliminally/subtlety 15:21:20 That too, pollo 15:21:26 :p 15:21:46 there will also be DC17 stickers at DC18 :D 15:22:09 * lavamind notes there will not be any dc17 stickers :s 15:22:18 Also OCF side. I would like to ask if we can start accepting donations under the name of The Debian Project 15:22:24 medicalwei: Don't forget to add a record for sticker spending in dc18 repo 15:22:25 well there is still time << LeLutin 15:22:45 OCF.tw can accept donation now. 15:23:05 czchen: individual donation with a webpage for that. 15:23:10 do you have any plans to receive donations for dc18 before dc17? 15:23:11 Due to 60% spending regulation, they suggests we start to ask for donation in 2018. 15:23:34 ...ok 15:24:02 Most of the donation will come from company, so we don't have plan to have individual donation page now. 15:24:22 pollo: hmm right. I should get to that this week fo'real 15:24:22 We can request one if necessary. 15:24:56 imho you should wait for dc17 to end 15:25:13 and work with the sponsorship team 15:25:31 no problem. 15:25:33 that way you'll have a coherent sponsoring plan 15:25:41 yes, we should start during DebCamp17 15:26:22 anything else to add? 15:26:33 No from me 15:26:57 No from me. But probably I should start making website proposal 15:27:15 #endmeeting