14:00:15 #startmeeting 14:00:15 Meeting started Mon Jun 12 14:00:15 2017 UTC. The chair is pollo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00:15 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 14:00:23 #topic Roll Call 14:00:28 . 14:00:35 please say hello if you are here for the meeting! 14:00:40 hi 14:00:45 hi 14:00:46 hello if you are here for the meeting! 14:00:47 hi 14:00:50 meanwhile, please have a look at the agenda: http://deb.li/il9wc 14:00:56 hello 14:00:58 13.o. 14:01:00 (yes it's an old joke but when we rotate the person who makes it, it's okay) 14:01:14 * znoteer will have to leave in a few minutes 14:01:54 O/ 14:02:20 o/ 14:02:27 everyone is ok with the agenda?< 14:03:12 #topic Bursaries 14:03:21 can we has some stats? 14:03:51 what kind of stats do you want? 14:04:03 how many ppl accepted ? 14:04:32 seems the global attendee count has not decreased 14:04:39 nope, 337 registrations, 138 of these for DebCamp, 231 for Open Day, 333 for DebConf proper 14:04:48 so I guess very few people decided not to come 14:04:51 just a few bursary requests that have been cancelled 14:04:54 travel: 23 accepted, 21 pending; food+accomm: 59 accepted (48 food only), 82 pending 14:05:15 uh. really? most food only? 14:05:24 uh, no, the opposite 14:05:32 11 food only 14:05:38 sorry 14:06:26 do we have a potential date for the start of round 2? 14:06:31 no 14:06:42 the deadline for round 1 of travel is June 20 14:06:51 I haven't looked at adjusted numbers yet 14:06:54 #info the deadline for round 1 of travel is June 20 14:07:11 anything else to add? 14:07:56 I heard crickets about my last mail to -team, so I'll be running with the assumption that we don't want to increase the travel budget further 14:08:28 which doesn't fill me with joy, but that's life I guess? 14:08:43 because of a lack of team support or because no one seems to be for that? 14:08:47 lamby: want to weigh in on that? 14:08:58 well, noone said anything 14:09:18 * pollo is in favor of spending more on travel 14:09:29 if that has any impact 14:09:36 we have the money 14:09:38 I was under the impression i was a given, sorry for not speaking up 14:09:43 s/i/it/ 14:10:08 aiui we still have the 16,800 CAD pro+corp fees to spend as these were not in pollo's original budget 14:10:11 * lavamind also in favor of increasing travel budget 14:10:14 olasd: can you give the one line summary? how much money for how many people? 14:10:17 can we use that to up the bursary funds? 14:10:26 the numbers were in my mail, let me look that up 14:10:42 DLange: with the assumption we need to arrive flush. Our budget was approved with 40k USD deficit... 14:10:48 and Debian has money 14:11:02 I think spending some on travel is a noble cause 14:11:32 <20170607114628.vxz37r7hjfyp5tvp@werner.olasd.eu> is the email from olasd with bursary stats 14:11:50 5k USD = 6 more people; 10k USD = 10 more people; 15k USD = 14 more people 14:11:57 * zlatan gives kudos for fast visa reply 14:11:57 from that mail 14:12:29 I'd support the 15k choice, fwiw, plenty of highly rated people 14:12:32 yeah 14:12:34 +1 14:12:41 +1 14:12:44 +1 14:12:46 do we need dpl approval? 14:12:51 we should ask 14:12:57 seems safe with accom numbers, but we should watch closely 14:12:58 not approval but loop-him-in 14:13:02 olasd: do you want to do it, or should I? 14:13:08 I can badger the lamby 14:13:18 I guess someone should #info or #agree? 14:13:20 olasd: I suppose all those extra people are asking for accom as well correct? 14:13:27 #agreed we'll ask the DPL for 15K USD more for travel 14:13:43 #action olasd to ask the DPL for more travel $$$ 14:13:44 lavamind: we didn't decouple, so maybe 14:14:02 the current rate is 1/5th of the bursary grantees don't want accomm 14:14:06 so we should be fine? 14:14:25 do we want to close down (at least accomm) registration when we reach 350+$margin? 14:14:29 lavamind: don't we still have a 3-4 room buffer at hotel universel anyway? 14:14:44 (also some of those people already have their f+a granted) 14:15:18 DLange: I'd do that after the deadline for confirmation 14:15:31 pollo: we haven't assigned any rooms yet but yes we still have 10 rooms at the hotel minus those set aside for speakers 14:15:33 we'll need time with hard numbers to finalise accomm 14:15:50 sounds good 14:16:13 anyone against that? 14:16:42 all good for me 14:16:43 #agreed we'll close down new accommodation requests after the confirmation deadline 14:16:47 anything else? 14:17:01 we kinda strayed into other topics, but ... 14:17:14 I'm a bit behind on bursaries email but I'll catch up today 14:17:31 #topic Registration 14:17:42 I looked at what we need to implement PayPal 14:17:51 so we know what infos we need from SPI 14:18:15 I pinged tumbleweed about that, since we need to know what technical solution we'll pick first 14:18:25 no luck getting answers from SPI ? 14:18:43 lavamind: no point in badgering them if we don't know what we need 14:19:03 we already have the infos if we pick 2 of the 4 solutions 14:19:15 pollo: I've looked at django-paypal and the way it works looks reasonable; I think going for IPN is fine 14:19:18 we need an API key for the other 2 14:19:32 (we use that for Debian France and we've not missed a transaction in years) 14:19:42 olasd: than we don't need anything, since we have the email used by the account already 14:19:48 that sounds correct 14:19:51 s/than/then/ 14:20:05 but since I won't be the one implementing that, I can commit 14:20:16 commit to implementing it 14:20:31 no news on the confirmation letter either 14:20:37 shit is getting pressing, yo 14:20:46 I don't understand your previous sentence 14:20:59 what are you not implementing, what are you committing to implement? 14:21:09 nothing has been done regarding sending a mail to the attendees to confirm their presence 14:21:24 olasd: I won't do any PayPal stuff myself 14:21:29 ok 14:21:34 no time, not enough energy 14:21:48 #info nothing has been done regarding sending a mail to the attendees to confirm their presence 14:22:20 #info a decision regarding how PayPal payments will be done on the website needs to be done 14:22:22 I've looked at it when implementing bursaries confirmation and it's just a matter of flipping a switch in the wafer config, afaict 14:22:28 pollo: do you want to send that email to everybody or just on-request? 14:22:29 it = confirmation 14:22:43 (I have no understanding what it is good for) 14:22:44 olasd: sure, but I thought the goal was to merge that with bursaries confirmation 14:23:07 well there's three things 14:23:38 1/ people with a bursary; 2/ people who want to self-pay on-site accommodation; 3/ the others 14:23:43 DLange: the confirmation process is for everyone. In theory, if you don't confirm before July 1st we take for granted you are not coming 14:23:55 I think accepting a bursary or paying for on-site accommodation should amount to confirmation 14:24:13 aah, o.k., the old re-confirmation process. Now I'm back in line with what you mean. 14:24:37 apparently we still want to badger the third category 14:24:45 there is just no point in starting confirmation if PayPal has not been implemented 14:25:00 there's an admin command to do so and we need to enable the reconfirmation in wafer 14:25:25 pollo: +1 as we could ask people to pay in one go then 14:25:56 that's about all I had to say wrt registrations 14:26:07 work needs to be done (TM) 14:26:28 03Nicolas Dandrimont 05master ccfb832 06debconf-data/dc17.dc.o 10dc17/views.py views: add accommodation choice to bursaries export 14:26:40 (sorry) 14:26:42 #topic Volunteering system 14:27:00 abdelq said last meeting he would start working on that starting june 23rd 14:27:16 cate I know you did some work on that FOSDEM app, maybe you could help him? 14:27:54 I can help with django stuff as well if we schedule a time 14:28:28 #action abdelq to set up a volunteering system sprint with olasd and cate 14:28:31 we need quite a number of volunteers this year on top of the videoteam tasks, so this is really important 14:28:58 we'd need at least a dozen or two people for setup and tear down of the onsite accom 14:29:03 lavamind: if you have time, having a clear list of who is needed for what would surely help 14:29:16 onsite accom is the main thing 14:29:31 I'd be glad to have a task thing for cheese cutters 14:29:38 was there a night shift at the door thing as well? 14:29:50 DLange: correct 14:29:50 that and shifts to punch cards for meals 14:30:04 childcare 14:30:11 pollo: not for childcare 14:30:22 we don't want just anybody to sign up for that 14:30:48 lavamind: no but you may want an easy way to schedule it... 14:30:48 guess who#s a parent ^ :D 14:30:57 anyway 14:31:21 #info volunteers will be needed for videoteam, accom setup and teardown, evening/night shifts for the entrance, cheese cutters and punching meal cards 14:31:37 #topic Antiharrassement status 14:32:04 * medicalwei wants to ask what accom setup and tear down involves after the meeting. 14:32:26 I put that on the agenda because since discussing the CoC there's been no news about whether the AH team is formed and if it has started preparations 14:33:02 a special one for debconf, or the one from debian? 14:33:29 well ideally there'd be one for debconf17 composed of people who will actually be there in person 14:33:52 not sure this stuff can/should be handled remotely 14:34:39 ok well I'll mail the antiharrassement alias and see what comes of it 14:34:53 #action lavamind to mail AH to see what comes of it 14:35:03 #topic Venue & accommodation 14:35:34 #info alcohol permit papers should be sent shortly 14:35:37 we'll received an updated contract this week from Maisonneuve 14:35:47 I just don't have any envelopes left... 14:35:49 with the 18 classrooms reserved 14:35:54 pollo: I have some here 14:36:02 i need to buy some anyway 14:36:17 once I receive the updated contract I have to coordinate another deposit with SPI 14:36:34 #info we should receive an updated contract from the Venue with the addition of all the 18 classrooms 14:36:58 the insurance is supposed to be paid, I need to check in with he insurance company this week and transfer a copy of the insurance certificate to Maisonneuve 14:37:16 our sponsors have been approved by Maisonneuve (ha) 14:37:31 what else ... 14:37:57 oh yes we have had one cancellation which frees up an extra double room at RVC 14:38:12 so we have now 9 instead of 8 doubles rooms we can assign there 14:38:39 that extra room has a foldable sofa which would be appropriate for eg. a family 14:39:01 I confirmed that children would be OK to stay there 14:39:31 WRT childcare I need to do a followup this week with the childcare collective 14:39:58 there was a big event for them recently so from now on we'll be able to organise things rather quickly 14:41:01 ah I mentioned that earlier but the venue manager told us that he'd try and make sure we can have master keys for the accom classrooms as well as the other rooms 14:41:16 lavamind: weren't you looking for someone to step-up for childcare orga? 14:41:31 pollo: yes but I have my own ideas about whom to sollicit 14:42:12 anything else? 14:42:18 yes 14:42:25 transport from RVC to venue 14:42:38 are we buying STM tickets ? 14:42:43 is that confirmed ? 14:42:54 if so we should budget that, not an insignificant expense 14:43:31 lavamind: I don't think we agreed on that 14:43:48 how much is a week ticket? 14:43:48 having discounts with STM was not worth it for technical reasons 14:43:53 25 CAD$ 14:44:00 or something like that 14:44:29 probably a significant expense for some people from low-income countries 14:44:43 25,75 $ 14:45:16 paying that for 80 ppl for a week would be ~2k CAD 14:45:22 For a week that's affordable for me. 14:45:37 you're not from a low-income country :D 14:45:48 But for lower income country I cannot guarantee. 14:46:31 Well the transport here is too cheap compared to Germany and UK 14:46:49 what about if people ask us for it, we can provide it? 14:47:00 I was about to suggest that 14:47:10 brings a little more entry barriers, but it's less trouble 14:47:22 yeah, I think we can handle that on a case by case basis rather than as a given 14:47:46 if it's the only thing you have left to expense, it's not too bad IMO 14:47:55 for people arriving saturday or sunday they'd still have a purchase single tickets for the weekend, as the pass is only valid from Monday 00:00 14:48:04 #agreed we'll provide weekly public transit passes (25 CAD each) for those who request it 14:48:27 pollo: for DebConf only though 14:48:44 sure, DebCamp no RVC accom, have we? 14:48:46 thing is that title is also good for shuttles to the airport 14:48:49 anyway that's pretty much a given since we only have people at RVC for DC 14:48:57 so people are likely to buy it at the airport directly 14:48:59 pollo: yeah for the return trip 14:49:12 pollo: I wouldn't but a weekly pass on Saturday 14:49:20 s/but/buy/ 14:49:27 this info needs to be in the welcome email 14:49:36 yes 14:49:39 olasd: it's on the wiki, so it'll get thee 14:49:45 there 14:49:49 anything else? 14:49:51 one hopes :-) 14:50:20 pollo: we could tell people to purchase they OPUS card at the airport, and then at the venue we'd load the pass onto it at front desk 14:50:38 lavamind: the card itself is ~10$ 14:50:56 yeah well we won't mail it overseas to people :/ 14:51:04 aww :( 14:51:36 #topic Content 14:52:20 azeem_: since bursaries round 1 is well underway, has work on a pre-schedule been started? 14:52:48 I know I've not been asked for updated data 14:53:34 well, I think having something soonish would be very helpful for everyone 14:54:04 other than that, we need to decide when the job fair will be 14:54:12 lots of sponsors have been asking about it 14:54:29 some people have proposed asking the sponsors what they prefer 14:54:39 I feel this is a lot of work for little good 14:55:01 I think doing the job fair on Monday right after the opening ceremony would be best 14:55:16 lavamind: why not in the afternoon after lunch? 14:55:26 Opening ceremony, then job fair (1 hour or so) then the start of the schedule 14:55:42 I'd have the job fair longer than 1h 14:55:48 at least 2 14:56:06 opening ceremony 9-10, job fair 10-12 ? 14:56:38 that might squeeze the schedule a bit too much 14:56:51 unless we put talk during the job fair but I don't think we should do that 14:56:52 that's why I was proposing it after lunch 14:57:19 pollo: I don't see how it helps, it's still the same number of hours 14:57:46 oh, I understand what you meant 14:58:09 anyone else has an opinion on this? 14:58:50 I think in terms of attendance there's not much of a difference between open day and the 1st day of debconf 14:59:01 both are weekend days (sat and sun) 15:00:09 i don't like the idea of the job fair during open day 15:00:17 me neither 15:00:31 should we let content decide? 15:00:37 it just needs to be done soon 15:00:37 sponsors are looking for Debian people, not random joe's 15:00:42 pollo: no, we can decide here 15:01:04 I don't think the content team likes to have such decisions delegated to it 15:01:06 1h30 after the opening ceremony? 15:01:20 more traffic is better for sponsors 15:01:52 they won't care for DDs only, they usually have lots of tech positions to fill if they send an HR person 15:01:53 let's decide to have it the 6th and let content decide where best to place it in the shcedule, with a preference for AM 15:02:04 +1 15:02:08 I'm pretty sure most Debian people don't go at DebConf looking for a job 15:02:30 yeah, I'd prefer to put it on Open Day 15:02:44 we can always run talks until 22:00 if we really have that much good content 15:03:01 with things going as they are going, OD will be quite chaotic 15:03:08 no one is actively taking care of it 15:03:14 lavamind and I don't really have time 15:03:34 that's why I would prefer not to 15:04:14 my impression is that sponsors come because of hard to fill positions 15:04:45 I doubt they have difficulty finding junior engineers at their locations 15:04:50 nah, they come because they have a general recruiting need and what to show their face / logo / banners and some times HR people 15:06:51 it's just a little bit more complicated to have it on Open Day because we'd probably want to use the same space used for general booths 15:07:15 also another good reason 15:07:29 so we'd have to put the job fair either at the beginning of the day or at the end 15:07:52 combine the booths'? 15:08:00 if we put it at the end the attendance might be good but asking the other booths to pack up might be awkward 15:08:03 DLange: people paid for the job fair 15:08:03 the more traffic the better 15:08:08 needs to be a different thing 15:08:16 oh, I forgot the meeting. Sorry I'm late. I'll try to catch up with logs 15:08:21 make it different cloths color on the desks 15:08:27 make the tables larger 15:08:35 DLange: there's a limit of about 10 booths, maybe 12 if we squeeze 15:08:45 do we have more? 15:08:53 it's a space limit 15:09:02 we can always have more, in other rooms 15:09:36 great. So let's put noisy stuff in a room. E.g. if a local free music collective shows up. 15:09:37 we can also just put the job fair in the vivoir but it's a bit less central 15:09:52 lavamind: no 15:09:55 videoteam reasons 15:09:56 But otherwise better 10 booths that look nice than three for a job fair that look deserted 15:10:30 how many job fair booths do we have anyway ? 15:10:46 up to 18 15:10:51 at least 5 no ? (Plat + Gold sponsors) ? 15:10:57 silver too 15:11:24 you need to ask who wants to have a booth on job fair 15:11:31 yeah we should do that 15:11:33 my guess is perhaps 5 or so of the sponsors 15:11:44 we need to know when it is first 15:11:54 pollo: not really 15:12:24 we can already say either Aug 5 or 6, if people really need to know 15:12:49 we can even ask them whether they'd prefer Sat or Sun 15:12:58 DLange: do you think you could take that task? 15:13:02 that way we don't need to say when yet and can still send the email :) 15:13:10 yeah, can do 15:13:18 ack 15:13:27 #action DLange to ask sponsors who want to have job fair booths 15:13:31 DLange: pleas elet us preview the email 15:13:33 now for the LPI 15:13:46 #info We got a proposal from the Linux Professional Institute (LPI) to hold a free beta exam for their upcoming DevOps Tools Engineer certification during Open Day. 15:13:58 that could be an OD booth 15:14:11 more like an activity but yes, for OD 15:14:21 anyone against saying yes? 15:14:29 nice! 15:14:46 I think the publicity would be welcome, especially for OD 15:15:13 people interested by their exam would probably be interested in the other stuff going on 15:15:25 they need a room where to offer the exam 15:15:32 that's not a problem 15:15:46 o.k., just make sure you have that room reserved then 15:15:50 if they need a computer lab, we'd charge them the extra fee 15:16:05 #agreed we will accept the offer from LPI to have free beta exam 15:16:08 a hefty one please :) 15:16:10 which is around 100 CAD, not really significant 15:16:21 anything else for this topic? 15:16:29 i'd like to move on 15:16:42 for DebConf17 ? ;) 15:16:46 #topic Conference dinner 15:17:00 tiago told me he could not make it to the meeting 15:17:13 no progress to report wrt bands ? 15:17:23 but afaik, nothing has moved wrt to bands and social activities for the conference dinner 15:17:34 ... 15:17:41 next topic 15:17:46 #topic Artwork 15:17:49 arrff 15:18:07 artwork is much more work than I thought 15:18:16 order for the t-shirts has been sent 15:18:26 we are still working on the design for the bags 15:18:53 no news from the printer since I sent the order some 5 days ago 15:18:59 that's about it 15:19:15 pollo: 375 shirts in total ? 15:19:21 how did you break down the sizes ? 15:19:23 attendee shirts 15:19:31 with the registration infos 15:19:34 and some extrapolation 15:19:45 what kind of extrapolation ? 15:19:52 10% more of each ? 15:19:53 around 60 staff and 60 more videoteam 15:19:57 kinda yes 15:20:37 we'd also need some extra straight cut M and womens cut S 15:20:48 more like adding a few in the marginal sizes and more than a few in the non marginal ones 15:20:55 ok 15:21:50 no, no progress on banners, badges, etc ? 15:21:54 nope 15:21:57 yipes 15:22:11 banners production is quick, ~ 5 days 15:22:18 we just need a design 15:22:24 badges can wait too 15:22:42 the bag design has taken longer than I would have wanted it 15:23:19 next topic 15:23:30 Videoteam 15:23:30 lets wrap it up I have to go pick up my kids! 15:23:32 #topic Videoteam 15:23:40 we have a meeting on wednesday 15:24:00 I can't really give more infos on the team but that 15:24:23 #topic DC18 status update 15:24:46 Will discuss with OCF.tw about detail donation page in Wed. 15:25:14 Before that, they will not open donation page. 15:25:50 Also I hope we can finalize the operation fee. 15:26:19 medicalwei: Any news for LOGO? 15:26:57 Oops 15:27:15 The revised proposal time window is closing in 33 minutes 15:27:30 And I added another proposal just now so there are 4 15:27:57 I am also preparing for polling page on wiki.dc.o 15:28:00 https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf18/Artwork/LogoProposals 15:29:01 Updated just now. pollo please refresh 15:29:12 Any other update for DC18? 15:29:39 #info polling has started for DC18 logo: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf18/Artwork/LogoProposals 15:29:43 Also we are going to distribute stickers. 15:30:01 neat 15:30:55 That's all. Will be busy for Stretch Release Party next week 15:31:22 #topic misc 15:31:45 medicalwei: volunteering for accom setup is basically seting up the bed camps 15:31:59 and putting up sheets to create the resting areas 15:32:04 So there will be camps instead of form? 15:32:10 *dorm 15:32:24 the dorms are classrooms we modify 15:32:36 not actual real dorms 15:32:53 I see. M 15:33:11 #endmeeting