14:02:03 #startmeeting 14:02:03 Meeting started Mon May 1 14:02:03 2017 UTC. The chair is pollo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:02:03 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 14:02:10 DLange: wherein "labour" means "no work" ;) 14:02:10 #topic Roll Call 14:02:14 o/ 14:02:18 hi 14:02:19 please say hello if you are here for the meeting! 14:02:20 o/ 14:02:23 * madduck 14:02:31 heya 14:02:33 pollo needs a new intro message... 14:02:39 meanwhile, please review the agenda: http://deb.li/il9wc 14:02:48 o/ 14:02:55 hi 14:03:35 * medicalwei wonders if DC18 team has only me in today's conf 14:03:41 ... meeting 14:04:09 we have labour's day and it's a national holiday 14:04:51 today? 14:05:01 * medicalwei pokes czchen, hare1039 14:05:10 yes, though it's almost over 14:05:23 hi 14:05:29 does that agenda look good? 14:05:41 yep 14:06:02 #topic Registration 14:06:02 updating 14:06:11 DLange: can we has stats please? 14:06:23 183 registered attendees; 109 bursary requests; 160 eaters of which 18 are veggies, 7 vegans, 9 other food requests 14:07:11 i like the numbers 14:07:15 * medicalwei notes, 18.8% of attendees need special food requests 14:07:38 I'll get you final DC17 numbers, medicalwei so you have a good planning base 14:07:47 I have not done any work regarding database integration to the admin pânel 14:07:53 I might have some time this week 14:07:56 94 debcamp participants 14:08:11 136 open day 14:08:11 we might have to consider adjustments 14:08:33 182 Debconf. Whoever the guy/gal is that doesn't want to come to DebConf :) 14:09:19 can we have numbers by day? not for now, but that helps planning food for debcamp, mostly 14:09:31 lavamind: what is the status with SPI and our Stripe request 14:09:40 pollo: no news 14:10:02 no point in working on that if we are not even sure SPI will agree to it... 14:10:24 to me atm that's the blocker for adding Stripe 14:10:37 medicalwei: we've been aiming for 25% special food preferences in the past years, IIRC 14:11:27 madduck, got it. actually that number is higher than other conferences held here. 14:12:13 pollo: was there an RT ticket created for that ? 14:12:19 maybe it was 20%, but there are a few people (like me) who'll gladly eat vegan/vegetarian if it's offered. 14:12:35 that number is very dependant on the type of attendees. I'm quite sure a PETA gathering will make >50% veggies. 14:12:41 lavamind: I have no idea, you where in charge of it 14:12:41 next topic? 14:13:04 hrm 14:13:08 I have not been CCed to any SPI mails 14:13:26 #action lavamind to follow-up on Stripe account for SPI 14:14:04 #topic Venue & accommodation 14:14:37 self-bookign to the hotel is extended until june 1st 14:14:50 #info self-bookign to the hotel is extended until june 1st 14:15:21 #info insurance contract for the venue is under review by SPI 14:15:59 wrt hotel, we have to consider whether to reduce our room block for bursary recepients, which is currently 10 14:16:18 as per our contract we're allowed to reduce it by up to 40 % 14:16:42 can do this once we have closed bursary requests? 14:16:47 'cause then we know... 14:17:21 o/ 14:17:31 got in late but got here :) 14:17:40 DLange: we can still reduce our room block down the road, but not by as much 14:17:42 yay gwolf! 14:17:55 lavamind: when is that deadline? 14:18:06 pollo: it's all in the calendar 14:18:13 -_-' 14:18:22 I'm sure it's on the internet somewhere 14:18:31 indeed it is 14:18:40 DLange: can you get us how many people have asked for a hotel bursary? 14:18:53 afaict looking at the stats no one requested the hotel 14:18:55 is that in the registration data? 14:19:01 DLange: ya 14:19:10 DLange: yes, there's a hotel option in alternative accomodation 14:19:22 then let me try to find it and get you the data for the next meeting 14:20:00 oh and there's a payment due for the hotel today 14:20:08 because if no one requested that yet I'm sure 6 rooms will do 14:20:36 we might even have to find people to populate those rooms... 14:21:55 I don't know about that, it's tricky 14:22:11 lavamind: I only have rvc_single and rvc_double in the data. So either the system is somewhat borked regarding that option (not that unlikely :)) or nobody wanted it 14:22:11 #info lavamind to ask for more extensions form the hotel 14:22:24 lavamind: why? 14:23:15 because some people may not have requested it, but wqould actually need it anyway 14:23:27 then they should have requested it 14:23:31 we can't really know at this point 14:23:38 coulda shoulda woulda 14:23:47 bursaries requests end on may 10th 14:24:08 if they don't do it before that it's not really our problem anymore 14:24:22 Maybe people requested mcgill? If there are not enough mcgill rooms for erverybody, some of them would go to hotel 14:24:40 larjona: we still have plenty of rooms at McGIll 14:24:44 ...or in the on-site accom 14:24:45 Ah 14:24:54 the on-site accom is very popular it seems 14:24:55 pollo: I mean they may have requested an option != hotel 14:25:12 I was meaning for people with particular needs 14:25:48 I expect there will be more requests for onsite than we can provide 14:26:14 I added myself as a hotel requestor and ... see hotel=1 14:26:28 so the system is working but nobody requested the hotel so far 14:26:33 * znoteer slips in the side door and nods to everyone, then catches up 14:26:51 I know of one attendee that needs the hotel for personal reasons but has only indicated so in the free form text 14:26:53 znoteer: I did the same I don't think anyone noticed 14:26:56 ok let me call the hotel manager, I will give him the choice that either he extends our delay or we cancel 4 rooms right away :p 14:27:17 so this is probably something to review after bursary close and before we send bursary results 14:27:44 Oh! We have to add at least two hotel rooms 14:27:50 I think those rooms will be necessary, not sure about canceling them 14:27:53 We have not yet registered the guest speakers 14:27:59 tvaz: we have 10 of them 14:28:06 we can cancel up to 4 14:28:12 no one asked for one yet 14:28:15 I'll explain later, but two of them (one confirmed, one probably) will stay at the hotel 14:28:27 highvoltage, :) 14:28:30 gwolf: they asked for a bursary? 14:28:32 pollo: that is incorrect, some people have asked, just not through the "correct" form field 14:28:33 (next point in agenda is content) 14:28:38 pollo: no, they are invited 14:28:47 ah, good to know 14:29:00 lavamind: ?? 14:29:02 ok I won't cancel any hotel rooms then 14:29:18 why not? 14:29:19 we only have them during DebConf right? 14:29:27 DLange: correct 14:29:40 . 14:29:40 we should keep them for as long as possible without running the risk of having to pay for them. 14:29:53 madduck: ... and the deadline is today 14:30:00 oh i thought june 1 14:30:04 sorry, I misread 14:30:10 that's for self-booking 14:30:29 Well, but if we have too many hotel rooms, we can transfer some of them to self-bookers 14:30:30 we are talking about hotel rooms for bursaries 14:30:36 and collect their money... 14:30:52 we can still cancel some of the rooms later on, eg. by june 1st we can cancel up to 2 rooms 14:31:21 those rooms are _very_ expensive 14:31:35 and if we don't plan to use them, we should cancel as much as possible 14:31:41 and use that money elsewhere 14:31:53 pollo: what you're saying is 100% self evident 14:32:01 then we should cancel those 4 rooms 14:32:15 since no one asked for them and we only plan to use 2 for content atm 14:32:29 meaning we still have 4 left if we cancel 4 14:32:40 pollo: as someone said just earlier there is a request but only in free form text 14:32:45 pollo: sounds right FWIW 14:33:00 ...If none have been requested, cancelling 4 sounds right 14:33:35 I would try to extend today's deadline in any case 14:33:40 #action lavamind to cancel 4 hotel rooms from the bursary block, unless a deadline extension is agreed 14:33:49 thanks 14:33:57 maybe it's possible to cancel 2 and keep 2 for another month? 14:33:57 great, thanks 14:34:18 #topic Content 14:34:58 OK, so we have done good progress rating talks 14:35:07 We are basically ready to announce the first batch of talks 14:35:16 ...we haven't because we want to iron out several details 14:35:23 but it's mostly there. 14:35:49 As for invited speakers, we have confirmed two, and a final one seems quite plausible 14:36:16 ...One of them will arrange accomodation by herself, and asks we reimburse her stay in Montreal (let me look up the figures...) 14:36:21 How will those talks be announced? Same question for invited speakers 14:36:27 gwolf: can we have the names of these people and the topic they'll talk about? 14:37:41 pollo: I'd rather give only the confirmed ones - Deb Nicholson and Katheryn Sutter 14:37:43 lavamind: on another topic (accomm) the first payment for RVC is Thursday 14:38:08 I don't yet have (we requested already) the titles for their talks 14:38:32 kat is somewhat ""When Social Issues Do Not Matter in Technical Debates (and when they do)" 14:38:43 Deb is coming from Boston; got a plane ticket for US$500 (a bit expensive IMO, but it's bought already) 14:39:09 She arranged to stay with some other people, and will pay US$850 for her share in it 14:39:17 so, we will cover her US$1350 14:39:41 wow, US 850 for a week of accomm? 14:40:08 gwolf, I think her share is 500 14:40:30 I didn't answer that email, but we should push some limits on this 14:40:42 we have accom available, 14:40:51 our limit should be the price of our hotel rooms 14:40:59 also, not sure how can she provide a receipt of her self-arranged one from a friends' place 14:41:45 arg, the hotel is 1221 CAD for a week 14:41:46 gwolf, correcting myself: it's indeed 850 she's asking for accom 14:41:51 As for Kathey, she is Vagrant's partner, and comes from Portland 14:41:51 I offered her to be lodged during DebConf week in the hotel (sharing a room with Vagrant) 14:41:51 But they want to come for DebCamp as well. I told her we don't have a real answer for her - For DebCamp, we have only on-site, and it's not really what she wants 14:41:51 We have not yet finished the discussion yet :) We will find something out... 14:42:06 ~ 892 USD 14:42:18 tvaz: hotel room is more expensive 14:42:41 I think our third candidate will stay for less than the whole DebConf week 14:42:50 gwolf: does the content team have a timeline? 14:43:23 pollo: not a clear one :) 14:43:48 anything else to add? 14:43:51 pollo: We intended to announce talks during April. We should finalize the finalizable details, and announce the first batch during this week 14:44:07 it's basically all from me. tvaz, madduck, azeem, others..? 14:44:19 done 14:44:35 gwolf: stats on openday track? 14:44:55 lavamind: we have not made much separation on tracks. There are several interesting talks targetted at open day 14:45:11 ok 14:45:13 7 submissoins for openday so far 14:45:17 cool 14:45:31 we'll announce at least one of them 14:45:34 in the first batch 14:45:49 #topic Bursaries 14:45:59 I've added that since I forgot to ask in regsitration 14:46:27 olasd: how are bursary requests coming along? 14:46:46 anyway, I have to flee... This country does respect May 1, and I have kids to take care of :) 14:46:49 * gwolf disappears o/ 14:47:01 gwolf: see you! 14:47:20 hrm true, I remember there was a plan to start processing bursaries before the deadline 14:47:36 i know the data is not yet accessible in django admin 14:47:36 however I don't think olasd is with us 14:47:47 indeed 14:48:03 #topic Formal Dinner 14:48:23 lavamind: so you will keep the Olympic Tower task after all? 14:48:50 yeah 14:49:05 please concentrate your fire on the django stuff :p 14:49:13 arf 14:49:40 well make sure to ask about bar equipment and audio equipment + stage for a band 14:50:01 yep 14:50:04 #topic Approval of the new DebConf code of conduct 14:50:10 This won't be discussed during this meeting, but serves as a reminder: we'll decide if we approve it or not on May 15th. 14:50:21 #topic Artwork 14:50:29 Work is under way! We starting listing all the things we needed to work on and gave folks access to different accounts. 14:50:37 #info We have an email alias (artwork@debconf.org) and have started working on a timeline. 14:51:06 can we assume deadline to become a sponsor is the same as the deadline for sponsor approval by Maisonneuve 14:51:22 it's hard to work on the t-shirt design when the sponsor list keep changing 14:51:54 calendar says May 26th is the sponsor deadline for Maisonneuve 14:52:05 pollo: its not a deadline per se 14:52:24 we can still add sponsors after that, we just need to "notify" the venue 14:52:47 well we won't be able to add sponsors to our swag after than anyway 14:52:59 june 1st is our hard deadline to send the design to the printer 14:53:10 you should start with designs that have no or only plat sponsorsa 14:53:38 lavamind: no, since the t-shirt deadline is our first one 14:54:08 no point in putting all our efforts for something due in 2 months when we have another task due much sooner 14:55:06 I didn't understand that 14:55:10 I think the artwork people should know the deadline and they can decide how to do their work. Some things require to start earlier because they require more work 14:55:16 deadlines* 14:55:32 lavamind: t-shirts are due much sooner than the rest 14:55:52 we can't work on stuff that has only plat sponsors or else we'll miss the t-shirt deadline 14:55:55 pollo: you mean because to guarantee the order reaches us in time 14:56:01 yes 14:56:13 1 month to print, X time to ship 14:56:20 X is yet to be known 14:56:45 ok 14:57:39 can we wrap this up I have a lot to do after the meeting (as everyone else) 14:57:48 can we agree we won't be putting new sponsor's logos on the t-shirt + bags after may 15th? 14:58:09 that gives us 2 weeks to finalize the design 14:58:36 I don't know, we have a still have a few sponsors in the pipeline which may want to sponsor at silver+ 14:58:52 well they should hurry 14:59:00 it's either that or the t-shirts will be late 14:59:17 I don't think it takes 15 days to arrange logos on a tshirt design :s 14:59:33 to get a team approval of it yes 14:59:46 afaict the team is 3 people, come on 15:00:01 4 including me 15:00:15 and you are not being fair, this is hard work 15:00:17 * lavamind notes pollo is planning on bikeshedding artwork stuff :p 15:00:36 #topic DC18 status update 15:00:45 is that too painfull to add one or two more logos once it's done 15:00:45 Working on ocf.tw TO process 15:00:58 tvaz: yes 15:01:11 I'm pretty sure valessio can make it in minutes 15:01:13 the whole design rests on the # of sponsors and their arrangement 15:01:16 i've worked a lot with him 15:01:21 on that kind of stuff 15:01:31 anyway, dc18 stuff 15:01:59 For logo, we need to hurry up. Not many logo submitted right now. 15:02:23 hare1039: Any update from venue? 15:02:28 The director of NCTU CS said he is ready to send an official email about venue NCTU will provide. 15:03:32 Send to debconf-team@lists.debconf.org ? 15:04:05 I'm not sure, maybe yes 15:04:25 He just said he is ready 15:04:55 Okay, I think sending to debconf-team@lists.debconf.org so that we can check if everything is okay 15:05:07 medicalwei: Any update from your side? 15:05:43 czchen, no updates on my side. i should update the logo design this week 15:06:34 Great, I think that's all for DC18. 15:07:08 #topic Misc 15:08:43 #endmeeting