15:31:20 #startmeeting 15:31:20 Meeting started Mon Dec 19 15:31:20 2016 UTC. The chair is pollo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:31:20 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:31:30 #topic rolecall 15:31:32 * highvoltage is here but hasn't done his dc16 task before anyone asks 15:31:44 Please say hello if you are there for the meeting! 15:31:52 hello 15:31:55 Hello <- feels conditioned 15:32:09 hello <- idling 15:32:14 salut 15:32:15 please speak into the microphone 15:32:18 * pollo gives a biscuit to DLange 15:32:23 around'ish 15:32:24 * DLange munches 15:32:24 h i 15:32:25 Hi 15:32:30 agenda: http://deb.li/il9wc 15:32:49 ciao 15:32:56 #topic DC16 finances & final report 15:33:05 Hello 15:33:17 I propose we skip this agenda item from now on 15:33:40 on the finances nkukard said, he's super busy and has even unsubscribed from the Debian mailing lists to free up time 15:33:46 not that we shouldn't follow-up anymore but its quite rarely a productive point 15:33:47 Someone should ping repetetly dc16, until it is odne 15:34:02 I think we should keep it to remind us of the work to be done 15:34:19 pollo: the tasks are in Kanboard 15:34:27 so the question is whether somebody else can finish ledger up, bremner, tumbleweed and luca come to mind 15:34:28 lavamind: but we wont ping people 15:34:43 pollo: we keep pinging but it doesn'ty change anything 15:34:47 I did go through the final report and have a few things I'd like to edit and clean up, but I have a bunch of things that I really have to get done first for the freeze 15:34:48 we have been doing that for months 15:35:11 lavamind: and things have been moving, slowly, but moving 15:35:27 highvoltage: thanks! nearlt there on that! 15:35:31 pollo: not because of this agenda item 15:35:35 (hint hint if someone can help me with my packages that would be great) 15:36:03 anyway, I don't think we should loose more time on this since time is short 15:36:06 doesn't mean we can't ping people anymore, like I said the TODOs are in KB 15:36:14 #topic Catering 15:36:18 tvaz: ? 15:36:22 * lavamind grumble 15:36:34 I've sent today an email to the catering service asking for a contract draft, then we can work on it. She'll be in vac from 21dec to 5jan but I think she will answer before that. 15:36:38 hm, so ... what do we decide on the DC16 hang-over topics? We keep them as is? 15:37:06 so for the next meeting we should have something to present/approve 15:37:19 as soon she sends it I'll start working over 15:37:24 neat 15:37:28 DLange: I'm confused as well 15:37:59 I don't feel DC16 hangover topic is very important. Let's just leave it there and skip it if we feel like it 15:38:10 it's not like it's taking a lot of time anyway 15:38:19 over 8 meetings it is 15:39:07 that topic has not been dead weight for 8 meetings 15:39:10 still, if debconf team doesn't care about it, it will not magically sort itself out 15:39:14 we actually did some work there 15:39:27 I'm not saying we shouldnt care about it, please don't infer 15:39:31 yes, we have progress, glacial, but progress 15:39:42 fine, whatevs 15:39:49 so .. let's keep it an revisit at the end of Feb? 15:40:03 great 15:40:08 sure 15:40:13 anything else on Catering? 15:40:18 o.k., thanks folks 15:40:43 #topic Venue 15:40:43 is the veggie, gluten, allergic etc. special foods all covered with le diner? 15:40:47 we received a new draft contract from Maisonneuve, it's uploaded in ownCloud 15:40:58 I haven't had time to read it yet 15:41:02 me neither 15:41:15 :( well not a lot to discuss here 15:41:17 DLange, yes, all covered 15:41:22 #action everyone to reveiew the latest venue contract draft uploaded in ownCloud 15:41:26 great, thanks tvaz 15:41:40 pollo: they switched the salon to the petit audito in the contract 15:41:47 blah 15:41:47 it's the same price 15:41:59 petit audito is very small 15:42:00 DLange, they provide service for childcare, so they're very attention to special needs 15:42:05 not wheelchair accessible 15:42:07 we agreed we can still change our minds, they just wanted to send us a new draft 15:42:08 attentive 15:42:20 pollo: it has 135 seats, its not "small" 15:42:25 wut 15:42:28 lavamind, I don't remember what's the salon 15:42:34 pic? 15:42:41 tvaz: the smaller room beside the jardin 15:42:49 tvaz: it's the room we held the installfest 15:42:57 ah, with the massage gear? 15:43:12 tvaz: no 15:43:19 with the rock climbing wall 15:43:29 in quotes 15:43:39 very small rocks 15:43:44 135 seats means three sitting for lunch and dinner each? 15:44:05 DLange: that room would be for conferences 15:44:39 anyway, we'll decide when we visit between Jan 9 and Jan 16 15:44:44 yup 15:44:51 anything else to add on this? 15:44:57 I'll let the venue manager know then and he'll adjust 15:45:09 pollo: still waiting for an answer from the coop 15:45:19 for passage 15:45:24 through the sale 15:45:26 salon* 15:45:37 (I still doubt we'll be able to do that) 15:45:53 and I doubt you'll get an answer before jan 9th 15:46:13 everybody's gone on vacations 15:46:19 thank you for sharing your doubts, so helpful :p 15:46:57 #topic Website 15:46:57 holidays are a great time to get work done! 15:46:57 I have nothing to add 15:47:06 we have a website \0/ 15:47:10 yay 15:47:13 t'is pretty 15:47:14 Oleole 15:47:24 it's missing animated snow 15:47:27 ayayy 15:47:35 #info https://debconf17.debconf.org/ 15:47:36 oh wow it's nice 15:48:19 menus don't work without JS, but that's an upstream bug 15:48:32 and upstream don't seem to keen on fixing that 15:48:32 Is it "ready" for microblogging about it? (Content wise). Sorry my last visit was saturday morning 15:48:35 pollo: not a bug according to the devs 15:48:38 really nice! 15:49:01 larjona: yes, although I would suggest you go through the pages and see if anything is glaringly missing / wrong 15:49:18 Ok, will review today/tomorrow 15:49:23 great 15:49:31 the footer links to non-existing pages, but that's the only thing no working properly 15:49:58 we may want to populate a wiki and link them to 15:50:12 lavamind: the JS bug was the same for DC16 and it seems no one complained enough for us to fix it 15:50:37 pollo: still, patches welcome 15:50:42 anything else on the website? 15:50:44 it's a bug but nothing near a major bug 15:50:57 there are patches on the bootstrap github tracker for css only menus 15:51:09 For the news section of dc17.d.o, my proposal would be to publish in the Debian channels, and add short summary with links in dc17.d.o 15:51:49 larjona: manually or set up an automatic content fetch? 15:51:49 larjona: sounds good to me 15:52:05 manual, for better teasers 15:52:21 Not much work and looks nicer the result 15:52:53 #agreed for the news section on the website, we should go through Debian communication channels first, and then link to it in our news section 15:53:25 next topic? 15:53:27 #topic Accommodation 15:53:39 I have been excahnging email with the hotel manager 15:53:53 I asked whats the maximum number of rooms available to reserve 15:54:25 he said 75-100, if we also use "superior" and "prestige" rooms which are 10 and 20$ more expensive respectively 15:54:45 I said no, we don't want those, whats the maximim no. of standard rooms we can reserve 15:54:53 and I'm waiting for his response 15:55:16 beside that I have been picking people's brains about the global accomodation scenarios 15:55:34 how about the plan of an extra bed in the rooms? 15:55:43 10x20x15 doesn't seem very expensive, or my calculations are wrong? 15:56:07 and everyone I have spoken to including people who have done registration / room assignations feels that there is no way we'll have 90 *real volunteers* for onsite accomodation 15:56:27 and that is fine imho 15:56:28 tvaz: they accepted, we can bring in extra beds in the hotel rooms 15:56:55 we are going to need to ask people if they _really_ need hotel accom at least once 15:57:34 we need to arrange a room asap and see how it's going to be in reality, then take some pictures 15:57:39 and recheck reactions 15:57:41 +1 15:57:55 we are going to do that regardless, that is not the point 15:57:57 and do a calculation what hotel accom. will cost 15:58:10 DLange: we did that already 15:58:22 since my last proposal was rejected I worked on a new proposal for the global accomodation arrangement 15:58:43 was that the +30k calculation from a month or so ago, pollo ? 15:58:57 this proposal is less expensive than the last one 15:59:20 DLange: it was not 30K, somewhere around 10-15K 15:59:21 you can view it here, and I'll break it down for oyu here 15:59:23 https://pad.riseup.net/p/dc17_accomodation 15:59:30 pollo: it was +30k 15:59:40 oh, ok then 15:59:49 ack, yes I know that one, thanks 15:59:50 I think now we should have only onsite accom for debcamp 16:00:04 and optional hotel for debconf 16:00:18 debcamp+debconf people will be able to move to the hotel if the wish 16:00:41 and we'll have a 60 ppl onsite capacity w/ 5 people per room 16:00:42 side comment: it seems to be a lot of work this accomm thing, lavamind please speak up if you need hands 16:00:56 tvaz: I have had help latey, thanks 16:01:11 please come to the mock-up party at Maisonneuve :) 16:01:17 we'll need real hands then 16:01:38 sure, I'm all for it 16:01:40 * larjona away, will try to come back soon 16:02:04 pollo: of course we'll try to steer people towards onsite, to fill up our capacity, but we shouldn't either guilt people into it 16:02:12 also, Renata, the person who made the logo is willing to help on this, she's really good on that 16:02:24 tvaz: we need a sticker design pls 16:02:32 could she do one for us? 16:02:44 lavamind, i'll be at her place today, will ask :) 16:02:44 (sorry, going offtopic) 16:02:50 tvaz: thanks 16:02:59 16:03:02 hmm, so the diff is 15K 16:03:22 sounds like a very reasonable option 16:03:38 awesome 16:03:40 * lavamind is happy 16:04:13 #agreed we'll offer on-site accomodation only for sponsored folks attending DebCamp 16:04:40 #agreed for DebConf, attendees will be able to choose to go to the hotel, or stay onsite 16:04:42 well, we haven't heard from others than me yet :p 16:04:50 pollo: tvaz saud yes 16:05:03 (I think) 16:05:06 I didn't get the phrase about debcamp 16:05:12 on-site accomodation only 16:05:17 or only for sponsored folks 16:05:17 lavamind: he was agreeing to help you 16:05:39 the 'only' is unclear to me 16:05:49 tvaz: we are going to put sponsored folks at the hotel if they want it for conf 16:06:02 but won't kick people out of classrooms if they want to stay 16:06:06 tvaz: in other words, we won't pay for people to go to the hotel during debcamp, since it's only a few days 16:06:30 lavamind, that sounds good, but how about special needs? 16:06:31 lavamind: is there a down payment for reversing hotel rooms? 16:06:48 lavamind: may be include exceptions for disabled people if that is not possible to accommodate them well at the venue 16:06:59 I mean I don't want to discuss exceptions, but just to not close the doors for it with the hotel manager 16:07:04 tvaz: we'll deal with those as they come, but debcamp is smaler 16:07:05 that's only common sense imho 16:07:15 or invited speaker (debian day), so they could arrive the day before 16:07:20 fine then, agreed 16:07:33 tvaz: in any case we have to reserve hotel rooms for self paying 16:07:43 we had a bit of issues with that in Cape Town (too steep passages, to small baths albeit they were declared wheel-chair capable they were not for all wheelchairs) 16:07:44 so we'll have a few reserved in any case 16:07:54 for debconf, i'd add "attendees will be able to choose to go to the hotel, or stay onsite regardeless being sponsored or not" 16:08:14 that's fine then, lavamind 16:08:46 #agreed onsite accomodation will be available to all attendees, regardless of sponsorship 16:08:53 lavamind: is there a down payment for reversing hotel rooms? 16:09:06 pollo: I don't understand 16:09:09 s/reversing/reserving" 16:09:18 ah, no there isn't afaik 16:09:23 I reversed that 16:09:27 we don't have to put any money down yet 16:09:45 so we wait for the hotel answer, than book all the normal rooms we can? 16:09:46 make sure to keep an eye on cancellation deadlines 16:10:36 DLange: yes yes of course, I was thinking of an alert system even for those 16:10:43 eg. calendar alerts or whever 16:10:56 yeah, may be kanboard can send reminder emails? 16:11:20 pollo: I would say yeah, if they have 100 rooms we can reserver, according totheir framework we could cancel all the way down to 44 rooms 16:11:25 DLange: it can 16:11:36 great 16:11:39 I think for DebConf we'll easily fill 44 rooms 16:11:56 lavamind, s/onsite/hotel (sorry for the annoyance) 16:12:04 #agreed we will reserve all the standard hotel rooms we can and cancel the ones we don't need 16:12:32 tvaz: ? 16:12:34 anything else needs to be added for Accom? 16:12:49 lavamind, on the 'agreed' 16:12:53 for debconf 16:13:21 I meant we need to make it clear that we want(?) to provide hotel option regardeless people being sponsored or not for debconf 16:13:57 tvaz: sure, that is clear to me 16:14:15 that old discussion about creating first&second class attendees we had before 16:14:26 "#agreed for DebConf, attendees will be able to choose to go to the hotel, or stay onsite" 16:14:43 tvaz: there will be no extra fees 16:14:49 fine, that covers that indeed 16:14:54 next? :) 16:15:00 however if people want to be only 2 in a rooms instead of three 16:15:13 then we will charge the difference 16:15:22 we have to 16:15:36 let's discuss that another time :D 16:15:37 if they don't have any special reason (ex. healthy issues on sharing...) we'll charge 16:15:44 remember, sponsored hotel is 2 double beds + cot 16:15:54 tvaz: agreed 16:15:54 that's it, we're all sync'ed on that 16:15:55 :) 16:15:59 #topic Fundraising 16:16:03 $$$$$$$$ 16:16:12 $$$$$$$$$$$$$ 16:16:17 we should send reminders starting in Jan 16:16:17 no work on fundraising in the last weeks 16:16:18 RRR 16:16:21 o.k. so the current issue here is that we have a Plat sponsor prospect that would like a reserved slot for a Debian related talk 16:16:23 lavamind: +1 16:16:24 they don't know who will be talking about what but they want the slot and promise it will be a valuable content talk 16:16:27 (we could refuse it otherwise) 16:16:29 So .. do we accept granting that slot to (both of the currently queued) Plat sponsors? 16:16:54 gah. hey there I'm here... albeit very late 16:16:55 DLange: hrmm this issue's been raised before 16:17:00 DLange: is that our current committed plat sponsor, or a new one? 16:17:06 a new one, pollo 16:17:06 DLange, two members of content has agreed with that 16:17:15 DLange: can we promise we'll consider their talk ? :/ 16:17:15 but the current one would like a talk slot as well 16:17:19 me and mbank 16:17:41 I think that's fine, giving the conditions: 16:17:42 1. Must be Debian/Free-Software related 16:17:45 2. No Sales talks 16:17:46 it should very clear that this is not a keynote 16:17:49 3. No guarantee of a particular timeslot, talk room or audience 16:17:59 sounds good to me 16:18:02 tvaz: I agree with these conditions 16:18:04 +1 16:18:23 great, that sounds like a good deal. I'll feedback that to the sponsors team. 16:18:52 I have to run in a few mins 16:19:04 #agreed if platinum sponsor respects these conditions (1. Must be Debian/Free-Software related, 2. No Sales talks, 3. No guarantee of a particular timeslot, talk room or audience, 4. it should very clear that this is not a keynote), we can tell them they'll have a talk 16:19:04 can we #agree Plat sponsors can get a talk slot reserved for a Debian/Free-Software related talk, no sales pitches, no guarantee of a particular timeslot, talk room or audience 16:19:09 pollo ^5 16:19:26 blam blam 16:19:32 anything else on fundaring? 16:19:45 pollo: we need a sprint for real this time 16:19:46 #agreed fundraising efforts should be jumpstarted in Jan 16:19:58 can someone pull together a sprint 16:20:00 lavamind: can't start before jan 5 16:20:05 I know 16:20:09 obviously 16:20:14 I'll be back on jan11 16:20:15 aviau: ping 16:20:28 aviau: you said you'd have time after dec 18th 16:20:37 pollo: he said after dec 20 16:20:42 :9 16:20:44 damn 16:21:02 anyway I don't think this kind of things interests him 16:21:05 I asked soli if he wanted to lead fundraing, go no ansert 16:21:08 organizing sprints 16:21:31 oh how about monday Jan 9 16:21:36 we have a meeting 16:21:43 but nothing will have moved 16:21:49 so we can use that timeslot to work 16:21:59 good idea 16:22:08 Jan 9 @ 15:00 OTC 16:22:18 Jan 9 @ 15:00 UTC (10:00 EST) 16:22:23 #action pollo to organise a sprint on jan 9 15:00 UTC for fundraising efforts 16:22:56 I have to run, fast, see you all, great meeting thanks for being here 16:23:20 #topic Conference program 16:23:27 tvaz: any news on that? 16:23:31 lavamind, thank you 16:23:54 I think we should start contacting all of the people you pre-selected 16:23:59 pollo, the few people we pinged couldn't make it 16:24:53 I'll start moving that in the next days, I've just finished my semester at school and we got a bit late on this, have to admit 16:25:03 good 16:25:04 is wafer ready for talk submissions? 16:25:14 that's a very good question 16:25:32 azeem-mobile: I don't know. we need to ask tumbleweed if he intended to change that part of wafer 16:25:42 I think the form is not accessible in wafertest.dc.o 16:26:06 LeLutin: it's disabled, but we could enable it if nothing has to be modified 16:26:10 it's not active on the prod instance either 16:26:15 pollo: right 16:26:20 LeLutin: can you follow up with tumbleweed ? 16:26:22 we need to get SSO and login working on that first, too 16:26:27 pollo: yeah will do 16:26:28 (not a biggie but needs to be done) 16:26:57 DLange: only on the prod instance or on wafertest too? 16:27:02 LeLutin: we need a list of things that are ready (even if disabled) and things that needs some work 16:27:06 also, will people have to register prior to submitting a talk or just sign up for an account? 16:27:30 well, we need it on prod. The wafertest one is optional if we want to change stuff against the DC16 version. 16:27:39 (which I currently think we don't need to do) 16:27:39 pollo: yeah I'll have to dig for the list of priorities for the web site.. I get the feeling it's only in someone's notes somewhere 16:28:06 azeem-mobile: just an account, registration for the conference is seperate 16:28:06 LeLutin: there is a bunch of things on KB 16:28:11 (just like last year) 16:28:24 ok 16:28:25 LeLutin, there's this: https://pad.riseup.net/p/dc17website 16:28:50 LeLutin: https://kanban.debian.net/project/2/task/121 16:29:28 please use KB for actual tasks to be done 16:29:41 pad is fine for thinking out loud 16:29:53 ya, the pad is just a sort of guide 16:29:58 for task pickers :) 16:30:08 sorry got a call 16:30:36 #topic SPI and Canada 16:31:01 DLange: ack. that was my feeling about SSO. 16:31:12 Hydroxide told us SPI gave the approval to look into canadian accoutns 16:31:46 it's now on to the lawyers 16:32:21 pollo: re pad vs. kanban: yep I'll see if something in the pad is missing from KB and use the latter cannonically 16:32:26 do you or hydroxide have any expectation when "looking" will become "we can pay / receive funds in $CAD" ? 16:32:33 (time-wise) 16:32:48 DLange: deadline is Feb 1st 16:32:56 it _needs_ to be done before that 16:33:09 since we need to pay the venue a down payment 16:33:25 o.k., that sounds like a plan. Let's put it on the agenda for a team meeting just past Feb. 1st then. 16:33:32 sure 16:34:08 #action pollo to follow up with SPI on canadian account 16:34:23 anything else on this? 16:34:52 #topic Next meeting 16:35:04 Jan 9 meeting will be a sprint 16:35:16 should be do a meeting 2 weeks after that? 16:35:20 or 1 week? 16:36:39 Both work for me 16:37:11 9th or 16th Jan are the dates 16:37:14 I may be able to join, will be my last day in .br, but will try 16:37:21 the 9th 16:37:58 let's plan a meeting for the 16th then 16:38:07 a week later than that might be too late 16:38:21 * tvaz needs to leave now 16:38:32 fine with 16th 16:38:42 #agreed next regular meeting on Jan 16th 16:38:46 #endmeeting