15:31:16 #startmeeting 15:31:16 Meeting started Mon Nov 28 15:31:16 2016 UTC. The chair is pollo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:31:16 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:31:23 #topic rolecall 15:31:35 Please say hello if you are here for the meeting 15:31:49 hellno 15:32:02 i am less here than bremner 15:32:10 ᐷ Hi! 15:32:25 ...o_o/ 15:32:53 LeLutin, tvaz ? 15:33:56 :s 15:33:59 #topic DC16 finances & final report 15:34:13 highvoltage, abdelq: any news on the final report? 15:34:26 abdelq told me he was not able to contact indiebio 15:34:35 someone for dc16 should help him finish that 15:34:42 s/for/from/ 15:35:19 afaik, it's mostly double checking if the content is right and choosing some nice pictures 15:36:15 * gwolf arrives to the office! 15:36:21 *cricket sounds* 15:36:22 just late for the role call, but... :) 15:36:35 I'll go grab some coffee and tune in to the meeting 15:36:42 gwolf: 0/ 15:36:59 umh, looks like under-attendance :( 15:37:04 yup 15:37:05 anyway, coffee calls 15:37:31 hello 15:37:35 jeansch: 0/ 15:38:30 well, former DC16 team, know that your final report is nearly done and needs a little push 15:38:40 #topic Catering 15:39:06 We got some more infos from Maisonneuve about renting the cafeteria space 15:39:37 they decided to charge us 4,5K instead of 5K for it 15:40:00 that means choosing Le Dîner is going to cost us 4,5K more than Chartwells 15:40:14 we kinda talked about it and are 100% good with that 15:40:31 Le Dîner is a far superior option 15:40:56 so yeah, we emailed Le Dîner and told them. I think tvaz has yet to tell Chartwells officially 15:41:19 #info catering company has been chosen (Le Dîner) \0/ 15:41:21 so their discount is good, but will have no effect on our finances 15:41:24 :) 15:41:29 there is no chance to get the College to waive such cost, is there? At DC16 we got a support letter from the dean and that got the university to give us most rooms free. 15:41:43 DLange: nah 15:41:52 damn :( 15:42:00 the 500$ discount is already pretty nice for them 15:42:28 o/ hi 15:42:34 oh, sorry, I misread, confusing Chartwells and Maisonneuve 15:42:43 y'know, they spell mostly the same... :-| 15:42:48 #action pollo to update budget with the +4.5K 15:43:03 pollo: it was 5K + tax 15:43:04 in my defense, the coffee is still 95% in the mug, not in my system 15:43:20 pollo: so the discount is a little more than that 15:43:28 lavamind: so it's 4.5K + tax or without tax? 15:44:03 original price for cafeteria rental: 5040$ + tax 15:44:19 discounted price: ~4,5k$ tax included 15:44:26 oh great 15:44:44 so it's effectively much more than just 15:44:47 $500 15:44:53 anyway, pretty sure that's all for catering 15:44:58 anything else to add? 15:45:32 #topic Venue 15:45:33 who will be the main contact for catering 15:45:37 still tvaz ? 15:45:38 lavamind: tvaz 15:45:57 he's got a great vibe going with the lady at Le Dîner 15:46:00 we should let CW know we didn't choose them 15:46:08 pollo: o.O 15:46:27 #action tvaz to inform Chartwells that we didn't choose them 15:46:42 #action tvaz to inform Chartwells that we didn't choose them 15:46:49 lavamind: you can't action :p 15:46:51 last Friday I spoke to the venue manager 15:47:03 I informed him of the decision 15:47:31 I'm here, sorry to be late 15:47:34 he will modify the draft contract and add a few minor things that weren't specified, like access to lockers, keys and such 15:48:07 lavamind: any plans for getting it signed by tbm? 15:48:12 there was the language issue 15:48:18 he also wanted to know what capacity we'd need for the big auditorium 15:48:22 do you think Maisonneuve could get is translated? 15:48:38 lavamind: the full thing if it's not more expensive 15:48:38 pollo: I still need to follow up on that 15:48:56 he wanted to know because they have renovations planned 15:49:13 lavamind: we don't want to have only 300 seats 15:49:20 but since I told him we'd use the full capacity, they will delay the construction work 15:49:30 I know, I said up to 4-500 15:49:53 pollo: we *could* work with 300 seats and spillover rooms via a video feed. Not optimal, but doable 15:50:00 anyway, we shouldn't have any construction work in the auditorium during dc17 (phew...) 15:50:04 there are very few sessions where we have >300 attendance FWIW 15:50:10 but then again, there are some :) 15:50:15 gwolf: thats suboptimal 15:50:24 gwolf: mainly the keynotes and some big talks 15:50:34 clearly. But if reality configures us that way, it's possible 15:50:45 and in any case, we don't want half the auditorium to be closed off by tarps during the whole conf 15:50:53 +1 15:51:05 it's a tarp 15:51:17 anything else to add to this topic? 15:51:23 gwolf: we'll manage in case it becomes reality but hopefully it wont 15:51:24 I mean, I've fallen quite a bit out of the loop, haven't been following the organziation as I'd like, but if we have only a 300-people auditorium... We will survive happily 15:51:25 yes 15:51:27 if they do any construction that impacts us ... please negotiate a discount :) 15:51:39 always a good lever to get better prices 15:51:46 next step perhaps would be to ask for the schedule of construction work that will be ongoing 15:51:55 DLange: yeah 15:52:04 but they have been proactive to avoid that as you can see 15:52:17 that's great. Just if .... :) 15:52:53 that's all for the venue I think 15:52:59 any questions ? 15:53:22 #topic website 15:53:26 LeLutin: !!! 15:53:31 do you have a titanpad (while that still lasts) for additional items for the contract, so we don't forget things? 15:53:36 things have not moved for 2 months! 15:53:38 !!! 15:53:43 like parking spaces, 24x7, disabled support etc. 15:53:48 DLange: that list is in Kanboard 15:53:54 ok 15:53:55 oh yeah one thing 15:54:02 (anyway titanpad is dead or soon to be) 15:54:03 about the venue 15:54:35 if we wanbt people to be able to enter the venue between 22h and 7h 15:54:48 we need to provide volunteer to stand watch at the door 15:54:57 is this something that's doable? 15:54:59 valessio is currently in Mexico City, but I can give testimony he has been working on the DC17 website. I even saw it :) 15:55:10 lavamind: we can schedule a Mao session at the door 15:55:11 otherwise it's a 4k$ expense to hire an extra security guard 15:55:13 I think it's doable 15:55:13 we rented security for that in DC16 15:55:15 gwolf: sure, I meant actual results on dc17.dc.o 15:55:32 CCC does this via a shifts system 15:55:38 but the night shifts are not nice 15:55:43 pollo: right. Well, the first step is to get it made. I don't think there's anything yet on the real site 15:55:48 lavamind: I think it'd be doable between 22h and 3am 15:55:53 ...Until which time we can do volunteer? 15:55:55 "not nice" is putting it mildly 15:56:15 well, we give them Mate for free 15:56:25 nothing moved on the site 15:56:34 pollo: yup. But after 3AM it's clearly an issue. And I guess hiring a security ward between 3AM and 7AM, some union might say that's not right 15:56:44 gwolf: sure 15:56:52 well if we don't want 24x7 we can decide that 15:56:54 but if doable, I'd push for volunteer shifts until a given time 15:56:59 is putting a curfew between 3 and 7 not an option? 15:57:03 but >22:00 is probably what we want 15:57:18 DLange: we up all night inside 15:57:19 DLange: We do want 24x7. If people want to go out and party, we want to ensure there's a bed to come back to. 15:57:34 DLange: it's just getting in that's causing problems 15:57:38 well, party until 7am :D 15:57:58 There are always people arriving >3 and <6AM, but I would not like to give those odd hours as a volunteer penalty 15:58:17 yeah, arrival and departure is also an issue 15:58:23 an idea would be to setup a comfortable working space near the door with coffee, there is room for that 15:58:28 and during DebCamp any day is a arrival day basically 15:58:59 during debcamp finding someone to do that will definitely be a problem though 15:59:05 lavamind: yes. But, again, assigning the best-possible space to somebody... Volunteering for the 4-5AM shift... I don't think it's going to work very well 15:59:20 gwolf: I agree 15:59:42 I'll see what IO can work out with the manager 15:59:48 we can just leave the door open and say we (repeatedly) forgot to lock? :-] 16:00:02 gwolf: not without angering the venue people 16:00:07 maybe it will be fine for the security guard to let people in past 3 AM, since the venue itself should be very quiet 16:00:22 #action lavamind to talk about security between 22h and 7am with the venue people 16:00:27 pollo: as long as they don't find out... Can we talk with every thief in Montreal and ask them not to come near us :) 16:00:30 leave a tent at the entrance for those coming at 3-6? 16:00:42 medicalwei: ;) 16:00:53 tent and a sandwich 16:00:53 pollo: Anyway, try to shorten the hours... Say, 00:00- or 01:00 (for a 6hr security shift) 16:00:54 gwolf: sadly there are vidcams everywhere on the venue premises 16:01:09 anyway, back to the website! 16:01:13 website! 16:01:26 like I said nothing moved 16:01:30 https://github.com/RignonNoel/dc17.dc.o/commits/integration-design-17 16:01:32 I'd really like to see the work noel did on the real page 16:01:40 tumbleweed: ^^ 16:01:44 where is the hold-up on this ?? 16:01:58 tumbleweed wanted to review to code before merging 16:02:10 I think rignonnoel needs acess to the dc17.dc.o repository also 16:02:21 this needs to be done 16:02:23 agreed 16:02:28 tvaz gave him access iirc 16:02:35 LeLutin: to dc-data only 16:02:45 ah hmm 16:02:49 tvaz does not have access to the website part afaik 16:02:55 right 16:03:07 17:34 < pollo> highvoltage, abdelq: any news on the final report? 16:03:10 LeLutin: is dc17.dc.o an alioth project? 16:03:14 dc17.dc.o.git is in debconf-data 16:03:23 ooh, neat then 16:03:34 pollo: only news from me on that is that I put some thought into it today, sorry been insanely busy but things are at least easing up! 16:03:54 abdelq ^^ :D 16:03:59 03Daniel Lange commented on the task #9 Sign rental contract with Collège de Maisonneuve 10https://kanban.debian.net/t/9#event-765 16:04:14 ok so someone need to prod tumbleweed until he reviews the website work 16:04:23 LeLutin: what about the missing pages? 16:04:42 #action pollo to try to set up a wafer sprint 16:04:43 pollo: not there yet sorry 16:05:41 anything else on the website? 16:06:10 nothing more no 16:06:25 #topic accommodation 16:06:32 status quo 16:06:50 lavamind: nothing from the red cross lady? 16:06:54 I haven't had time to follow up on looking at our requirements 16:07:10 nope, I emailed her this morning 16:07:21 pouet pouer 16:07:34 #topic Fundraising 16:07:48 pollo: I need the dimensions of a class desk for the cloth 16:07:52 I think we contacted mostly everyone at least once 16:08:05 lavamind: cloth? 16:08:27 I may have a contact who can provide us some cloth to attach onthe desks we'll put between beds 16:08:35 lavamind: ohh, nice 16:08:35 but I need dimensions 16:08:50 nappe de table 16:08:53 lavamind: some cloth or shitload of cloth for all the rooms? 16:09:11 all the rooms I hope 16:09:23 #action pollo to mesure some class desks 16:10:04 so yeah, fundraising. I think we should now start contacting people we contacted a few months ago 16:10:09 what's the reason for the cloth? To make it look nicer or any other reason? 16:10:10 and did not reply to us 16:10:25 DLange: physical separation between beds 16:10:31 more privacy 16:10:47 aah, vertical not horizontal. Now I understand. 16:10:49 thanky 16:10:57 ah, right, makes sense now :) 16:11:19 so we can put extra people to sleep on the floor between the beds ;) 16:11:37 1 sqm of cloth ought to be enough 16:11:39 bunk beds Canadian style 16:12:10 pollo: we should have a regular sprint really 16:12:13 for fundraising 16:12:18 from now on 16:12:18 oh hi! was travelling… 16:13:01 soli: ping 16:13:19 aviau: ping 16:13:24 soli: do you think you'd have time to organise regular sprints for fundraising? 16:13:45 our fundraising team doesn't seem to be active these last weeks 16:13:48 mainly setting up a date, pinging people to remind them 16:14:02 pollo and I have been doing most of the work, it seems 16:14:27 anyway 16:14:46 #topic Conference program 16:14:50 tvaz: ping? 16:14:52 Fundraising will not move much in December, I guess 16:15:03 gwolf: yeah, bad month for that 16:15:05 ...I hope there's movement before everybody goes for end-year rest :( 16:15:10 we should ping the contacts once we have something to share 16:15:22 e.g. the web page, the layout for the job fair. Anything. 16:15:58 a "progess report" would do as well 16:16:13 DLange: good point 16:16:53 well I guess tvaz is swapped with university work (as I am) 16:17:02 s/swapped/swamped/ 16:17:26 #topic debconf-announce subscription policy 16:17:26 FWIW I am in the Content team 16:17:33 gwolf: oh! 16:17:33 and TTBOMK we have had no movement yet 16:17:41 :( 16:17:46 pollo: But as I said, I have been also swapped at the university 16:17:50 s/swapped/paginated out/ 16:18:01 so I might have dropped something 16:18:26 h01ger: debconf-announce subscription policy ? 16:19:26 I'd be in favour of making this subscribe-yourself-with-validation 16:19:35 just like most other Deb* mailing lists 16:19:37 it's not ? 16:19:53 as per h01ger's info it needs manual approval 16:19:54 I'd be in favour of making this subscribe-yourself-with-validation just like most other lists 16:20:06 yes, they need manual approval now 16:20:09 I also think it makes sense to lift moderation 16:20:16 according to ganneff due to a meeting decision in 2008 or so 16:20:27 I totally agree 16:20:28 so whats needed to change this is that this meeting makes a new decision 16:20:38 so please note an #agree and we're done 16:20:38 make it so 16:20:58 #agreed debconf-announce should be subscribe-yourself-with-validation 16:21:03 \o/ 16:21:08 Ganneff: ^FYI 16:21:14 #action h01ger to ping Ganneff about the debconf-announce list 16:21:31 #topic SPI and Canada 16:21:55 pollo: no 16:22:28 sorry, i'll take that task out in the summary 16:22:36 making me work just after i come home from traveling and hungry, doesnt work 16:22:45 we have had no news from SPI afaict 16:23:06 don't know if they are still planning to open an account in Canada 16:23:19 fortunately it has not been an issue so far 16:23:21 we kinda need that info soonish 16:23:32 Ganneff usually reads his highlights very reliably 16:23:35 since we'll have to start paying things 16:23:36 if not, I'll remind him 16:24:37 #action pollo to follow up with Jimmy about SPI 16:24:42 Can you ping Hydroxide? I think he was driving this. 16:24:59 ack 16:25:01 pollo: thanks 16:25:36 pollo: see https://kanban.debian.net/project/2/task/13#comment-54 16:26:17 lavamind: sure, we just need some confirmation SPI will open a canadian account 16:26:39 as long as we can get the money for the venue before feb it's fine 16:26:58 but if not, then we'll need some time to find another solution 16:27:23 any other topic we should have talked about? 16:27:53 3 .. 2 .. 1 .. 16:28:27 #topic misc 16:28:29 misc! 16:28:35 * gwolf is happy for actually having attended a meeting after a long time 16:28:37 videoteam sprinted in Paris last week 16:28:44 (not that I was too useful, but still...) 16:28:47 things are moving on that side 16:28:50 A question about the DC18 bid submission. 16:29:47 When should we submit the bid? Dec 1 or Dec 15? 16:29:51 *before 16:30:10 pollo: got a reply from Red Cross, they have the beds at the office in Verdun, we can pick them up 16:30:36 medicalwei: Work on the bid as you go along 16:30:41 lavamind: we should do something during the winter vacations of Maisonneuve 16:30:51 i.e. before jan 27 16:30:56 Despite many people wanting us to have clear-cut dates... We don't. And we don't commit to specific dates for the election 16:30:58 lavamind: oh sweet. we'll have to find out where to store them now though 16:31:12 madduck, need some help. For plenary session, can we just open that room when needed? 16:31:30 medicalwei: We will *try* to get the DC18 bid election process working in the early weeks of January. And we usually reach a decision by... March? 16:31:48 LeLutin: no it's just a handful of beds, like 10 16:31:50 But, we have never managed to keep promised dates on this bit of the process. 16:31:56 lavamind: ah ok 16:32:00 pollo: I think they mean for us to pick them up asap 16:32:09 want to come with me one morning this week ? 16:32:10 lavamind: oh really? 16:32:19 lavamind: how many beds? 16:32:39 I asked for ~10 16:32:39 anyway, I think we can end the meeting and continue talking :D 16:32:44 #endmeeting