20:00:36 #startmeeting 20:00:36 Meeting started Thu Nov 3 20:00:36 2016 UTC. The chair is pollo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:00:36 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:00:47 #topic role call 20:00:48 I'm here too o/ 20:00:59 please say something if you are here for the meeting! 20:01:05 hi 20:01:08 hi 20:01:17 i'm here-ish 20:01:29 not here 20:01:38 o/ 20:01:57 anyone has anything to add to the agenda? http://deb.li/il9wc 20:02:01 15% here, 85% babysitting 20:02:17 pollo: meeting time...? 20:02:25 38% here, 140% struggling with a node.js app 20:02:33 please put catering to the end 20:02:44 tvaz: ack 20:02:49 thlks 20:03:06 . 20:03:12 * h01ger is just watching 20:04:00 lavamind: we can _try_ but I can't promise anything 20:04:35 all right then 20:04:41 #topic DC16 finances & final report 20:04:59 I had taken the task to review the work indiebio did on the DC16 final report 20:05:11 great, thanks pollo 20:05:22 sadly I think I won't have time.... 20:05:31 It's due when? 20:05:33 if someone with some LaTex skills could, I'd be glad 20:05:44 abdelq: no deadline, asap though 20:06:05 abdelq: https://kanban.debian.net/project/2/task/22 20:06:16 same thing happened to me, I also have limited latex skills but if no one will beat me to it I will still get to it some time 20:06:45 Alright, I will take for this weekend 20:07:07 #action abdelq to review the DC16 final report 20:07:09 neat 20:07:12 abdelq: great 20:07:24 tumbleweed: anything to add for DC16 finances? 20:07:25 abdelq: you know latex ? 20:08:10 lavamind Yes. Even gave a workshop a few weeks ago ;) 20:08:16 If we have the text, we can use old template 20:08:45 abdelq: wow, that's awesome, let us know if you need anything regarding that task, eg. about content 20:08:48 Will not be so good as the other stuffs of tamo, but better then nothing [and we need only the numbers, for future debconfs] 20:08:48 cate: indiebio did a lot of work already and only neaded some advices/comments on her work 20:09:23 pollo: so just to finalize it? Fantastic! 20:09:36 Hello. sorry I was baffled by somebody else's work and missed the beginning of the meeting 20:09:40 cate: yes, indiebio did most of the work 20:09:57 well since tumbleweed seems not to be here, they were able to take a deal with UCT and we are waiting for minor details only 20:10:16 but dc16 finances seem close to be closed :D 20:10:16 o/ 20:10:40 ginggs: 0/ do you wish to add anything regarding DC16 finances? 20:10:41 pollo: I heard from tumbleweed that UCT should have been paid already 20:10:43 abdelq: please assign the kanboard task to yourself and update it as needed 20:11:14 good good. Anything else to add on this topic? 20:11:16 #info DC16 finances almost complete, UCT should have been paid by now 20:11:46 #topic Venue 20:12:11 lavamind: can you talk about the last draft we got from Maisonneuve? 20:12:14 status-quo from last meeting with the venue people 20:12:27 we never talked about it in details 20:12:42 so the draft contract doesn't contain much 20:12:49 03Abdelhakim Qbaich changed the assignee of the task #22 to Abdelhakim Qbaich Help with DC16 final report 10https://kanban.debian.net/t/22#event-715 20:12:59 it doesn't contain many of the details we discussed 20:13:15 lavamind: is there a reason for that? 20:13:22 Ì need to follow up to check if these details can be included or not 20:13:59 for example: access to showers & lockers, keys, 24hr acces etc 20:14:22 seems the insurance part is less bad than what thought too right? 20:14:57 like I said earlier, the insurance should set us back about 1k 20:15:08 I gtg afk, baby waking up 20:15:33 anyone else wants to add anything on this? 20:16:11 #topic Website 20:16:40 valessio did some nice css work 20:16:41 I haven't moved for creating the missing pages, sorry 20:16:59 we need to get this together 20:17:04 http://valessiobrito.com.br/dc17/ 20:17:09 I'll do this soon (in the next 5 to 7 days). the text won't be perfect but at least we shouldn't have 404's anymore 20:17:19 LeLutin: great 20:17:36 someone should also try to look how to port valessio's work to wafer 20:17:44 this ^ 20:17:53 shouldn't be too hard, it's both bootstrap 20:17:54 LeLutin: do you have time for this 20:17:56 the thing with the design is that we need to adapt it to the html structure that wafer uses so it's like a redo of the design 20:18:30 lavamind: not now, but maybe next week 20:18:31 Noel may be interested to help but hes not around irc 20:18:36 LeLutin: ok 20:19:12 LeLutin: we also need to write up a todo for wafer hacking 20:19:13 talking about wafer, we should really start working on it to have it working registration wise 20:19:30 #action pollo to poke Noel about stripe + wafer 20:19:37 pollo: first step would be a todo list 20:19:39 I'll also have to ask tumbleweed about what was done for having pages in files instead of the DB 20:19:46 lavamind: there is one from Dc16 20:20:02 yeah but its hidden away in gobby 20:20:07 o/ sorry came home late 20:20:08 The page is very clean, so I think it could be easily ported (lean = very short code and no much magica) 20:20:10 lavamind: but it's still there 20:20:11 it should be in kb 20:20:39 #action pollo to move the wafer todo from gobby to kanboard 20:20:51 #action pollo to poke tumbleweed about wafer todo list 20:20:56 voilà 20:21:10 anything to add on the website? 20:21:25 LeLutin: pages in db has the advantage: more people could change/update the text. With html this was very slow. nobody would loke to push changes from git 20:22:31 cate: right but as long as we're just a few ppl modifying pages we can use files... I'll just ask what was the change actually. istr that it wasn't about directly editing html 20:22:41 mostly because it required writing XHTML. if it had been markdown, I am not sure there'd been such a resistance. 20:23:34 #topic Accommodation 20:23:41 lavamind: news on this side? 20:24:27 o/ sorry, I'm between meetings 20:24:40 (IRL meetings, that is) 20:25:01 pollo: no progress since last meeting 20:25:16 #topic Fundraising 20:25:19 yeah, we're waiting for UCT to acknowledge DC16 payment receipt. 20:25:27 things are moving 20:25:31 LeLutin: re pages in files - that's already what I did for dc17 20:25:57 around 89 potential sponsors, ~35 to contact 20:26:10 pollo: I will do some tomorrow 20:26:22 we are starting to receive confirmation of interest from some sponsors, but it's still early in the year for some 20:26:27 lavamind: great! 20:26:38 pollo: ping me about it :p 20:26:53 tumbleweed: right, I just wanted to figure out technically how pages should be done. we can discuss this after meeting (or another time that suits better) 20:27:08 if anyone else wants to help with this, just drop in at #debconf-sponsors and we'll teach you how to help 20:28:02 anyone wants to add anything on this? 20:28:26 yes 20:28:46 it was mentioned last meeting in passing but the venue 20:28:55 wants to approve our sponsors 20:29:13 I also need to discuss this with them ... 20:29:45 lavamind: imho it's not a real problem. I'm sure they just want to check we are not sponsored by some white facists internation conglomerate 20:29:55 this is one weird place... 20:30:04 lavamind: Do you know who at Maisonneuve will gave a yes or no approval on a particuliar sponsor? 20:30:50 soli_: yeah, the same director who will sign the contract 20:31:02 DLange: agreed 20:31:27 anyway, next topic 20:31:29 I'd tell him we're a technical conference and all our sponsors are sane 20:31:34 #topic Non-profit status 20:31:35 pollo, lavamind: do we know the reason for sure? one-by-one, or the final list? how long will it take? 20:31:42 if they want to object one, they shall contact us 20:31:58 LeLutin: want to give a little summary of what you did in the last few days 20:32:34 ok so before I left for vacations pollo, lavamind and I signed papers for registering a non-for-profit 20:33:29 this morning I went to the gov office to submit it. I had to change the name somewhat because it was "not french enough" (québec laws...) so the org name submitted is now "Conférence DebConf17 Montréal" 20:33:47 thats perfectly fine 20:33:48 The submission is done and was paid: 164$CAD 20:33:52 back 20:34:24 so now I have to wait for about 2 weeks to get the gov's response about whether the org creation was completed successfully or not 20:34:48 great! 20:34:49 I'll send bills by email to pollo tonight 20:35:30 * lavamind level-up Babysitting skill +1, have both kids nap simultaneously during DC meeting 20:35:34 that's it for non-profit status I guess 20:35:40 #topic Budget 20:35:53 lavamind: we are so lame 20:36:31 well budget wise, things are pretty much the same 20:36:46 video and content seems to be OK with what we proposed 20:37:06 we'll know for sure for video after their november sprint in Paris 20:38:07 alright 20:38:10 anyone wanted to add anything on budget? 20:38:24 thanks for working on the budget pollo, and filling in :/ 20:39:20 #topic Conference program 20:39:44 lavamind, tvaz: want to talk about your visit at the Olympic Towe? 20:40:00 sure 20:40:03 lavamind, you can go ahead :) 20:40:22 so tvaz and me visited the Montreal Tower recently 20:40:33 the management there gave us a free tour 20:40:59 first of all it's a really nice place, the view is breathtaking 20:41:12 we both agreed it should be our 1st choice 20:41:21 (olympic tower == tallest inclined tower in the world) 20:41:45 lavamind: what about space and $$$ issues? 20:41:46 the main snag with it is that there's not enough space to sit down all of debconf for the dinner on top 20:42:05 the absolute maximum is 300 people and its non negotiable 20:42:12 can't fit 300 people with long dinner tables 20:42:30 tvaz: they supply round tables 20:42:35 and chairs 20:42:50 is it expensive or really, really expensive? 20:42:52 i meant that, we can't have a 'proper' dinner there 20:43:04 with dinner tables 20:43:05 right 20:43:09 sorry, go ahead :) 20:43:28 DLange: the price list is in ownCloud 20:43:48 for a 6 hr block iirc the fee is around 6k $CDN 20:44:25 but: they offer a discount for non profits, just need to give them our registration number to get the price list for that 20:44:56 o.k. a price incl. food & (some) drinks would be good 20:45:13 so since the sit-down capacity on top of the tower isn't enough for a formal dinner 20:45:19 lavamind: the docs in ownCloud lists 2 rooms at top. was that the whole 300 ppl? 20:45:41 pollo: yes 150 ppl per room, they are connected by a small staircase & elevator 20:45:52 finding a room for 400 ppl might be hard anyway. We could always to 2 sittings 20:45:55 to be clear: this is the sit-down capacity 20:46:01 an early one and a late one 20:46:18 since we are so close to the venue anyway 20:46:22 we could host an event with more people, and so this is where I think we should start focusing 20:46:33 can "the other shift" do something at or near the tower for 1-2 hrs? 20:46:45 for example, we could eat dinner at Maisonneuve and then host a soirée at the tower with drinks 20:47:08 sounds like a nice compromise 20:47:14 DLange: we could also go to the Botanical garden. It's right bellow the tower 20:47:14 the place is just perfect to have drink+livemusic+snacks 20:47:22 after a dinner somewhere else 20:47:36 probably people will want to look and take photos more than eat at the place anyways 20:47:48 this idea came out after our visit, so we need some input on this 20:47:58 there is also a bigger space at the bottom of the tower we could rent to have the dinner, and then everyone go up for the evening on top, but this is the most expensive option 20:48:04 won't that double our costs though? 20:48:14 pollo, not double, but still 20:48:36 I meant dinner at Maisonneuve. having dinner at Maisonneuve would mean renting another room right? 20:48:59 and I feels it will make the conference dinner less special if we have it at the venue 20:49:03 pollo: that option the dinner would be ordinary 20:49:18 it wouldnt be a "conference dinner" 20:49:48 it'd be an official conference after-dinner party 20:49:59 as tvaz mentioned we could also have dinner somewhere else entirely 20:50:13 at the hotel universel for example 20:50:14 conference soirée sounds nice too 20:50:20 but to me that sounds a bit complicated 20:50:34 lavamind: istr that renting space at the garden for organizing the dinner was not feasible. am I mistaken? 20:50:40 I like the idea of having an ordinary++ dinner + a conference soir� 20:50:50 LeLutin: right, the garden is closed for business 20:50:59 lavamind: just to be clear, we could fit everyone up for a soirée? 20:51:15 lavamind: ok I see 20:51:36 pollo: iirc the capacity for a soirée is 450 people 20:52:02 so the proposition is: normal dinner at the venue + fancy soirée at the top of the olympic tower after 20:52:02 tvaz: what is ordinary++ ? 20:52:09 I think it sounds good too 20:52:22 lavamind: we might spend a little more $$$ on dinner that night 20:52:35 pollo: right, eg. fancy dessert 20:52:48 lavamind: ordinary meal but with abstract objects 20:52:52 is anyone against pursuing this proposition? 20:52:54 lavamind, a normal dinner with maybe some special food options 20:52:59 tvaz: ack 20:53:20 it would be very reasonable budget wise yet quite spectacular 20:53:26 lavamind++ 20:53:28 sounds good to me. A nice Montreal-style idea. 20:53:43 with some nice music 20:53:47 yes 20:53:49 even better! 20:54:13 we could install some draperies on walls to make it look special :) 20:54:36 #agreed for the conference dinner, we will try to do "a normal dinner ++" at the venue + fancy soirée at the top of the olympic tower after 20:54:49 let's move on 20:55:01 tvaz: any news from content team? 20:55:08 anyone else's been contacted? 20:56:00 pollo, we've been focused on fixing some issues with main theme proposal, 20:56:11 one speaker was invited but can't make it 20:56:29 tvaz: so, did you agreed on something regarding a potential main theme? 20:56:42 we're contacting anther one in the queue, but no confirmation yet. I'll take the communication with him. 20:57:26 pollo, i'll ~copy/paste what we agreed 20:57:35 "it probably makes more sense to push tracks for DebConf17 20:57:35 while we still have some time left than to argue about a theme" 20:57:38 from a content member 20:57:48 acked by other members, so that's it for now 20:57:54 ok! 20:57:58 #topic Catering 20:58:51 I'm trying to fix a date for a meeting+tasting session with le diner 20:59:20 they've been perfect in terms of communication, and I'll check with locals a good datetime for that 20:59:38 tvaz: you also wanted us to talk about Chartwells right? Chartwells is a multinational corporation that has the cafeteria contract at maisonnueve 20:59:39 will be any weekday after 5pm, in the next two weeks, before the next meeting 21:00:00 we've been having trouble with them communication-wise 21:00:04 pollo, sure, the other option in our budget is chartwells (i call it CW) 21:00:14 tvaz: 18h00 and + usually works fo rme 21:00:26 they provided us a quote a few months ago 21:00:34 which fits in our budget 21:00:48 tvaz: can we arrange a tasting there too ? 21:01:03 but in the last communication I was told the prices should raise due to some requests they didn't consider before 21:01:27 so I'll ask a new quote while we check the other optin 'le diner' 21:01:28 lavamind: I think we should just drop them. We are not able to talk to them properly, be it by email or by phone 21:01:37 pollo: I disagree 21:01:41 imho communication is _very_ important 21:02:08 not being able to talk to them means we're going to have tons of trouble went time comes 21:02:23 s/went/when/ 21:02:34 I agree its not working in their favor but it's not disqualifying, fwiw it could the their IT peoples fault not our contacts 21:02:37 I left messages to their phonebox, created a gmail only for them, helped their helpdesk fixing their mailserver, sent dozen of emails and got some unfriendly comments from them 21:02:42 so I'm not happy with CW 21:02:54 lavamind: dude, it's not an IT problem, it's a people problem 100% 21:02:56 but I'd ask them a new quote anyway 21:03:10 tvaz: what would change ? 21:03:32 lavamind, wait a minute, will check details here 21:03:32 I thought about it and I disagree about the buffet during DC 21:04:17 lavamind: why? people don't all eat the same amount. Having fixed portions is meh 21:04:21 The reason being? 21:04:24 some less, some more 21:04:31 I think she is right about that one: with the number of people, it will just be too long and there may food missing before everyone got their share 21:04:55 lavamind: we can do A-B groups like in Dc15 21:05:07 and if there is food missing, then we need some more, that's all 21:05:25 lavamind, we've had many DCs in that format, there's no issue once everybody eats their first meal before others repeating 21:05:29 you cant ask the kitchens to cook for 30 people at 7PM :/ 21:05:46 anyway 21:05:54 tvaz: if you say so 21:05:59 lavamind, for instance, in nicaragua, a very small family business was that way 21:06:28 some people couldn't repeat, but everyone got at least one meal 21:07:01 repeat are nice, but I don't think it is a big issue if there are none 21:07:02 a good service will re-use the leftovers 21:07:27 Just it need to be enough vegetarian and vegan 21:07:28 won't trash it, so there's no problem cooking a little more than expected 21:08:07 tvaz, pollo so do you want me to start discussions about switching to a non-CW option with the venue right away ? 21:08:09 but I think we should discuss all that logistic things with 'le diner' people and check what they think 21:08:23 lavamind: I think we should prepare for it slowly yes 21:08:36 ack. What both caterers recommend should work for sure. 21:08:39 things are not looking good for CW anyway 21:09:00 lavamind, pollo I'm feeling like removing CW as well, but I'd take that decision for next meeting, after our meeting with le diner 21:09:17 imho at the current state of things I'm of going with le diner for camp and cw conf, but whatever 21:09:35 great. can we move on? 21:09:54 lavamind, let's check le diner, if they inspire us confidence we may want to take them for the whole event 21:10:02 we can take our time with this anyway, the only deadline re: food is the contract with the venur which is february 21:10:21 lavamind, ah 21:10:27 if it was only the catering, we could sign a contract with the 30 days before 21:10:32 them* 21:10:37 actually CW is making some pressure already 21:10:52 because they need start negotiation with employees 21:11:02 for vacations in the summer 21:11:12 so she needs an ansewr very soon 21:11:20 ok 21:11:43 so let's meet le diner and ask for a new quote for CW, agreed? 21:11:56 then next meeting we come back with more info to make a decision 21:12:13 tvaz: agreed 21:12:34 tvaz: we're abandoning a 3rd option ? 21:12:43 #agreed we will meet with Le Diner and get some more infos to be able to take a decision during the next meeting 21:12:49 lavamind, if both fails we'll need a 3rd one 21:13:08 but for now I prefer to save some effort of searching new ones 21:13:08 #topic Next meeting 21:13:23 some people have again raised the issue of meeting time 21:13:37 o/ 21:13:51 so let's drop some days+time and see what people think about it 21:13:56 so instead of doodling let's try to make a new date now 21:14:09 well for me I'd like a morning meetin 21:14:13 monday morning? 21:14:17 but: doesn,t mean we have to drop this one 21:14:17 lol 21:14:23 that's my only morning 21:14:24 monday morning works for me 21:14:29 good for me also 21:14:38 depends on the exact time for me 21:14:42 anyone ? 21:14:45 what about non local people? 21:14:54 (morning in NA eastern time) 21:14:57 mondays 21:14:58 monday morning works for me too 21:14:59 20 UTC is quite good 21:15:05 we could add it in between the biweekly meetings 21:15:08 the day ... I don't care much 21:15:19 we could try aiming for lunch time UTC 21:15:23 I think at this stage the pace is picking up anyway 21:15:27 late morning? 21:15:27 so 8 in Quebec 21:15:43 no, 8 is no good for me though :/ 21:15:45 I meant early morning :) 21:15:53 5am 21:15:59 LeLutin: lol 21:16:02 woot 5am 21:16:05 10 am? 21:16:06 * LeLutin will be sleeping 21:16:07 earliest for me would be 9h30 21:16:14 10am would be good 21:16:16 anytime is good for me 21:16:18 10am == 14 UTC 21:16:21 on mondays morning 21:16:22 10 AM works for me too! 21:16:24 9:30/10:00 is ok 21:16:52 9:30 is better though 21:16:53 mondays 10AM EST every other week ? 21:17:18 so 14:00 utc 21:17:23 yeah 21:17:27 fine 21:17:40 let's try this 21:17:46 #agreed we'll hold our meetings on 14:00 UTC on mondays every other week 21:17:51 h01ger, ^ 21:17:52 pollo: wait 21:18:04 are we replacing this slot or adding one 21:18:05 if none of the non-Canadian people show up, you'll need to reconcider :) 21:18:11 lavamind: replacing 21:18:19 I was suggesting to add 21:18:20 DLange: why? 21:18:33 lavamind: I think that'll be too much 21:18:35 add until furthe notice at least 21:18:42 because 2pm is work time and not everybody can do private stuff during work 21:18:47 we won't have time to do stuff between meetins 21:18:54 i'd replace and reconsider if we have trouble if this new time 21:19:08 pollo: I prefer shorter meetings 21:19:18 and some time to do stuff right after 21:19:27 DLange: it was more: why there is *need* of non-canadian? 21:19:30 i'm with tvaz, let's try and see 21:19:36 +1 21:19:38 ok 21:19:56 great! anything to add on this? 21:20:05 next meeting: monday 14 nov 14:00 UTC 21:20:10 #info next meeting: monday 14 nov 14:00 UTC 21:20:13 cool 21:20:30 #action pollo to write a meeting summary on the wiki + ML 21:20:37 #topic misc 21:20:40 MISC! 21:20:47 please misc if you wish to 21:20:54 misc 21:21:23 #endmeeting