18:30:11 #startmeeting 18:30:11 Meeting started Wed Apr 13 18:30:11 2016 UTC. The chair is tumbleweed. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:30:11 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:30:19 * tumbleweed looks for the agenda 18:30:20 * bremner flees 18:30:44 bremner, you have fleas? 18:30:45 agenda is hidden 18:30:46 tumbleweed: I've jotted down stuff, but I would suggest people take a minute or two and list their things 18:30:47 * tumbleweed twiddles thumbs while stom loads 18:31:01 Agenda: http://deb.li/DC16meet1 18:31:09 ginggs: agenda is a social construct! 18:32:54 agenda needs javascript :/ 18:33:01 yeah, slow javascript 18:33:55 hang on 18:34:00 our agenda is split in two 18:34:03 there's a wiki agenda 18:34:07 oy 18:34:09 * tumbleweed is confused 18:34:15 erm, the wiki is in draft 18:34:30 hmm so two meetings in parallel 18:34:32 this one, tumbleweed: http://deb.li/DC16meet1 18:34:35 what draft? 18:34:54 how is there a summary of the meeting already? 18:34:57 I've created the wiki minutes page to write up my feedback on the transport stuff 18:35:25 and the 6th has a meeting summary of last week: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Meetings/2016-04-06 18:35:31 it's not really that complicated, is it? 18:35:31 * larjona is here (mobile) 18:36:04 indiebio: no, that makes sense 18:36:21 we just don't actuually have an agenda :P 18:36:55 while we wait, let's do a quick roll call? 18:37:00 howdy o/ 18:37:01 * h01ger sees an agenda being edited 18:37:06 (sorry I was literally running late) 18:37:11 o/ 18:37:18 Hi 18:37:19 o/ 18:37:27 hola! 18:37:28 \o 18:37:30 O/ 18:37:32 we didn't have numbers. we do have an agenda :P 18:37:33 o/ 18:37:53 o/ 18:38:03 booyakasha! 18:38:30 everybody has the agenda open? 18:38:42 indiebio: sorry, I'm tired. figuring out what was feedback, and what was actually topics for discussion was taxing my brain :P 18:39:12 sorry tumbleweed, it was a bit messy, I didn't get round to last week's meeting until tonight. 18:39:13 # Topic weekly stats to CMC 18:39:27 #topic weekly stats to CMC 18:39:40 indiebio: and I didn't geat around to my action items at all :P 18:39:52 so, I'm working on doing one better here, and giving them a dashboard in wafer 18:40:05 this stalled since the weekend, so I am intending to ignore work today, and get that done 18:40:17 we need to figure out how to communicate well, so I'm taking your dashboard as a move in that direction 18:40:27 my planned data model is a separate table, one row per payment 18:40:28 well with CMC, that is, the poor people 18:40:37 indiebio: yep 18:40:56 can we pop stats in to the minutes somewhere for posterity? would that be doable or too much effort? 18:41:23 tumbleweed: can we start the meeting? Not able to stay for the whole meeting 18:41:30 tumbleweed: is there a way I can pull stats from wafer? can you show me what to do? I should be able to help? 18:41:30 tamo: we started a while ago 18:41:43 tumbleweed: oh doesn't seem like it 18:41:45 tamo: we're at "weekly stats to CMC" 18:41:50 iirc you can say #info and then add more info in that line so that it's easier to find 18:41:52 superfly: I'd love someone to help. It's demotivinting doing this on ones own 18:42:13 tumbleweed: h01ger ok thanks 18:42:25 tumbleweed: I can't promise the world, but I can try to lend a hand 18:42:29 tamo: agenda is at https://storm.debian.net/shared/pg75HcKvGVql2SS_PdlitmnPFMUTTYz4_A6mqT_LeDr 18:42:40 superfly: if nothing else, that'll keep me working on it :P 18:42:59 so the summary here is "tumbleweed is on it" but too busy to give us numbers now? :) 18:43:14 it'd take me 5 mins to get numbers 18:43:22 so maybe at the end of the meeting 18:43:23 h01ger: thanks! 18:43:23 I can have them by the end of the meeting, but I wouldn't want to stall on them now 18:43:32 *nods* 18:43:33 we have HUGE agenda 18:43:40 #topic trasport report back 18:43:50 summarised: 18:43:52 https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Meetings/2016-04-13#Transport_feedback 18:43:53 ok, the bottom line here is yay! 18:44:06 transport on the shuttles is free, we just hop on 18:44:15 show your badger 18:44:18 we need the special trips finalised to have them give us prices 18:44:40 indiebio: will they run in evenings? 18:44:45 tumbleweed: can you do #save please and maybe #chair h01ger so i can help with sharing and free some thinking capacity on your side :) 18:44:53 I wrote the meeting up, the only thing to note is, we should have an emergency number on the badges 18:45:00 oh that's awesome 18:45:01 h01ger: you never answered last time. What's the point of #save? 18:45:02 tumbleweed: they do, but not through the night 18:45:02 #save 18:45:16 so I think there we may need other alternatives. Uber is popular. 18:45:19 it updates the logs and summaries on meetbot.d.n 18:45:20 you keep asking for it, but I have no idea why 18:45:28 Cape Town is a bit shit on public transport after dark, TBH 18:45:47 h01ger: ah, so just for a half-way log. you're not worried about meetbot falling over. I get that. 18:45:48 so that's all I want to say there, we can chat about it after the meeting? 18:46:17 indiebio: does that mean the answer to my question is no? 18:46:44 tumbleweed: I think the service reduces after 18:00, and last one may be around 22:00 18:46:52 OK 18:46:53 tumbleweed: i constantly forget whether just naming an url is enough to get it in the summary. checking http://meetbot.debian.net/debconf-team/2016/debconf-team.2016-04-13-18.30.html after #save to confirm :) 18:46:55 they don't have their long vac schedules on the website at the moment 18:47:09 h01ger: I think the magic is #link 18:47:10 can someone get this information up on our site? or do we wait for them, here? 18:47:17 indiebio: #link isn't necessary 18:47:45 if the URL is on its own line 18:47:48 tumbleweed: I can keep checking and post the link on to the wiki FAQ. Would you need the data actually manually copied over? 18:47:49 my agenda URL got missed 18:48:13 indiebio: That sounds fine 18:48:27 #topic accessibility report back 18:48:31 my bottom line would be: Jammies are great for getting around. going partying needs a back up plan. 18:48:36 on the topic of transport, who's doing the transport guides?... oh damn I missed the topic 18:48:41 https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Meetings/2016-04-13#Accessibility_feedback 18:48:52 (nkukard wanted to and I said I'd help but it went quiet) 18:48:53 indiebio: Uber works very well 18:49:16 many debian people are not uber fans, and won't like us promoting it 18:49:19 Accessibility: we've dealt with the queries, not doing sign language people, all good. 18:49:22 (a few of them are in this channel) 18:49:28 sorry to be late: but for what do we need "transport"? for daytrip? arrival/departure? every day? 18:49:47 h01ger: day trip, which needs specific venue for a quote 18:49:56 arrival departure I would recommend the myciti 18:50:06 whoah 18:50:14 most of the feedback here is about jammie shuttels 18:50:18 regarding uber uber uber: are taxis worse (than uber)? or why is everybody uber? 18:50:21 which are just regularly run bus services by the university 18:50:29 every day hobnobbing: jammies are free, but getting from accomodation to conference venue is very close, walkable. 18:50:35 they won't be that useful for social or daytrip or arrival/departure 18:50:37 h01ger: taxis are better, uber is cheaper 18:50:47 myciti is useless for the airport, because it doesn't get to UCT 18:51:00 it does get you closer, but I would say ... 18:51:07 * h01ger nods… so its mostly about daytrip… anyhow… accessibility topic ;) 18:51:15 #action indiebio (and help!) to investigate airport transport options 18:51:24 yes 18:51:26 accessibility 18:51:30 thanks indiebio 18:51:41 as I said, not much to say on accessibility, but it's all good. VERY helpful people at the Accessibility Centre. 18:51:48 cool 18:51:54 the write up is there, and I've updated the FAQ 18:51:59 so, next topic? 18:52:08 hang on, we have to read the write-up 18:52:15 so we can ask you any necessary estions 18:52:18 #info indiebio> as I said, not much to say on accessibility, but it's all good. VERY helpful people at the Accessibility Centre. the write up is there, and I've updated the FAQ. 18:52:24 ok, sorry 18:52:34 h01ger: is that *that* useful for the logs? we already have the link 18:52:50 https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Meetings/2016-04-13#Accessibility_feedback 18:53:40 nattie: based on this, do we need to persue graca machel? 18:53:46 tumbleweed: when i miss meetings i very often only read http://meetbot.debian.net/debconf-team/2016/debconf-team.2016-04-13-18.30.html (=the summary, not the full log) - here i just noted: all fine with a18n, in indiebio's word 18:53:59 h01ger: yes, and I pasted the link after #topic 18:54:22 tumbleweed: not currently - the one wheelchair user who has been in touch can get on well enough in the room available in Fuller 18:54:27 hah. sorry for the noise then 18:54:32 anyways, moving on? 18:54:37 indiebio: Please add Debconf Dinner to the Agenda 18:54:52 however, if someone with a more acute / higher need gets in touch, we might have to open that up again 18:55:03 nattie: excellent 18:55:13 tamo: go to http://deb.li/DC16meet1, please add it yourself? 18:55:39 #info the one fuller accessible room meets the current needs 18:55:44 indiebio: done didn't wnat to just add 18:55:47 nattie: we have already passed the "guaranteed accom" deadline 18:55:59 #topic Dining options and DebConf dinner 18:56:12 tamo: the agenda is for anyone to add what they feel is important. 18:56:21 indiebio: ok 18:56:24 so, there was no feedback to tamo's post on the list 18:56:44 tumbleweed: nope nothing 18:56:48 the first question that comes to mind for me is: do we need some low-budget, simple options? 18:56:51 link please? or ultra short summary? 18:57:10 tumbleweed: like what tumbleweed 18:57:15 http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20160406.204501.65f15813.en.html 18:57:22 My question is, do we need dining options that requires everyone to dine all at once? Seeing that we do have cultural differences on when people want to eat and all that? 18:57:35 indiebio: that's usually the aim at the conference dinner 18:57:48 If e.g. UCT Sports Club is willing to have a long window for lunch, dinner, then people can eat when they want? 18:57:57 tumbleweed: sure, but that is a separate, special event 18:58:06 indiebio: Sports Centre? 18:58:18 indiebio: ah, we're talking cross purposes, then 18:58:25 sorry, i picked up the dinner - the second half of the topic 18:58:28 * h01ger giggles at the last two paragraphs of that mail 18:58:51 tumbleweed: are we talking dinner or catering? 18:59:00 yeah, my experience is that cape town generally doesn't care about dress code. Although I can imagine shimmy club would 18:59:07 tamo: catering i think 18:59:07 tamo 18:59:10 tamo: they were lumped into one agenda item 18:59:15 let's break it up 18:59:18 tamo: you clearly don't hang out in the same places I do! 18:59:19 #topic catering 18:59:21 breaking++ 18:59:22 tumbleweed: They do for the places liste but not Qay 4 18:59:33 I will definitely object to Shimmy Club 18:59:39 guys 18:59:44 let's come back to dinner 18:59:45 let's get on with it 18:59:48 hte topic 18:59:52 Catering: Do people have to eat all at the same time? 18:59:57 is catering now 18:59:57 nice disambiguation there 19:00:08 because if not, then UCT Sports Club is my best option. 19:00:09 indiebio: i don't think they do 19:00:24 indiebio: they don't but it keeps queues down, and meals shorter 19:00:26 indiebio: no 19:00:27 I was annoyed at DC15 to have to eat lunch in a set time. 19:00:28 but a long window would be ideal. i have a tendency to leave eating until the last possible moment, myself 19:00:41 DC15 had a tighter schedule than your average DC 19:00:51 .oO( this is actually why its a good idea to let the chair(s) edit the agenda once the meeting has started ;) 19:00:56 If I know there is a long window, then if there's a queue, I'll just come back later 19:00:57 indiebio: Lunch or dinner should be at a set time 12pm - 2pm or 6-8pm and people come and go as they please 19:01:12 lunchbreak in the schedule is 2h? or more? 19:01:13 h01ger: :) 19:01:32 Lunch or dinner should be at a set time 12pm - 2pm or 6-8pm and people come and go as they please 19:01:39 does dinner start when the last events end or 30min earlier/later? 19:01:40 2h is very optimal 19:01:47 h01ger: we could get around the schedule by allowing meetings, and strongly advising people to only attend one meeting in lunch time, if that makes sense 19:02:02 indiebio: "meetings" ? 19:02:04 meetings = BoF 19:02:11 * h01ger advises against shceduling things during lunch 19:02:17 indiebio: but why that doesn't amke sense keep it simple? 19:02:18 yeah, I'm with h01ger here 19:02:19 Beer of Freedom? 19:02:23 * h01ger advises against shceduling things during lunch - because this will happen anyway and people need rest too 19:02:28 'k 19:02:38 people have BoFs around food, during mealtimes :) 19:02:39 * nattie thirds or fourths not scheduling stuff in lunchtime 19:02:42 (i.e. dining bofs) 19:02:47 leave breaks so things can develop… 19:03:02 but we're OK with 2 hours for lunch, dinner, which would allow UCT sports club to accommodate everyone? 19:03:03 so what are the catering questions to discuss now? 19:03:09 * highvoltage fifths and/or sixes 19:03:20 tumbleweed: why have anything during lunch people need the break to focus on the talks etc 19:03:23 h01ger: so, where we dine defines catering questions 19:03:37 we don't have a kitchen, so UCT sports club (which is smaller) is looking like the way to go 19:03:51 tamo: exactly 19:03:53 UCT Sports Club indiebio is this now an option did you talk to them? 19:03:58 indiebio: we usually need to 2h, some people can only come late, some need to leave early… the question is because UCT doesnt work if its only 90min or why? 19:04:02 tamo: I found 2 food carts, not sure if that's still something up for consideration 19:04:09 That's the pub, tamo. 19:04:10 how far is that club? 19:04:19 h01ger: bottom right of the map 19:04:25 2 mins walk from the residence, and no hill 19:04:26 in meters? 19:04:27 thanks 19:04:32 some metres :P 19:04:33 about 100m, I'd say 19:04:41 so that not more than 23min, even with chatting on irc 19:04:50 sprinters can cover that distance in 10 seconds ;) 19:04:51 and it has wifi 19:04:54 accessable? 19:04:57 and a fire place and beer on tap 19:04:58 yep 19:05:01 a map of the place is available somewhere? 19:05:10 yes, there is 19:05:26 * indiebio goes looking for her new venue wiki page 19:05:27 i would appreciate a link :) 19:05:28 https://debconf16.debconf.org/about/debconf/ 19:05:31 I'm finding the link 19:05:32 * nattie waves at Sicelo 19:05:35 tumbleweed: indiebio I am confused we are still deciding on Caterers and nothing has been talked about the Pub indiebio did you speak to the Engineering faculty 19:05:36 but they need 2h because the place is small? 19:05:41 will link you to https://www.uct.ac.za/images/uct.ac.za/contact/campusmaps/big/uctuppercampus.jpg 19:05:53 thanks 19:05:59 Matt Fox, tamo 19:06:08 h01ger: yes, only 140 seats 19:06:10 indiebio: seems more like 250m :) 19:06:22 with beer, everything is shorter 19:06:25 or 150 19:06:31 guessing from openstreetmap 19:06:39 indiebio: YES but still not understanding that, that is if we can't find a venue for teh Caterers Matt Fox in second option 19:06:59 this map is mostly only useful if you have seen the place for real… 19:07:00 well, matt fox is my first option, as I said. 19:07:20 Sicelo: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Venue#DebCamp_at_the_Club 19:07:21 indiebio: well not what we have been discussing he is doing DebCamp 19:07:34 * h01ger is also a bit concerned about meeting speed. we're at 40 mins and one the first half of the fourth agenda topic 19:07:42 tamo. What I am asking is if they could be an option for DebConf. 19:07:47 indiebio: ty 19:07:54 h01ger: this is the hairiest item though... 19:08:02 h01ger: if I go faster, people drag topic items through the next topic 19:08:05 yeah, this is a big one 19:08:13 ic. i dont get this hairyness from far away… 19:08:18 but also, it's a big agenda. I don't exxpect us to finish this in an hour 19:08:33 what are the options? pit falls? 19:08:40 tumbleweed did take random notes and put them in the agenda :) Can I take some out again? 19:08:44 indiebio: we have had this discussion weeks ago and decided on Matt Fox for Debcamp and TBC for DEbconf if the Engineering faculty can't accomodate us then we move to another option 19:08:52 do we need to decide now or can we delegate to a team to decide or prepare a decision? 19:08:54 indiebio: I'm confused 19:09:22 tamo: it sounds very likely that the engineering faculty can't accommodate us 19:10:01 so I'm saying, matt fox is my 'another option' 19:10:08 indiebio: you said you were finding out did you? 19:10:19 indiebio: otherwise I can send them a mail 19:10:25 and ginggs answered you 19:10:40 indiebio: nope he said you were onto it 19:10:51 does it matter? 19:10:56 what are our options? 19:10:59 OMG, he said they won't like the noise. He works there. He should know. 19:11:11 h01ger: let me try to explain 19:11:27 h01ger: we thought we'd get dining in fuller, and so we were exploring external caterers 19:11:37 they pulled the plug on that, and said they won't give us kitchen or dining space 19:11:40 indiebio: that was his opinion but we need to see what the Faculty says who knows they might agree 19:11:43 dining means breakfast, lunch + dinner? 19:11:48 (because they want us to use their caterer, who can't cater to our needs) 19:11:51 no, just lunch + dinner 19:11:55 * h01ger nods 19:11:56 we're using the venue caterer for breakfast 19:12:08 tamo: I'll follow up, but that was their concerns from the beginning. 19:12:18 indiebio: i will not to worry 19:12:20 h01ger: so, we've been looking for other places on campus that we could eat 19:12:35 I'd prefer if you don't tamo, not to duplicate communications 19:12:36 h01ger: nothing great is really appearing 19:12:42 * h01ger nods 19:12:45 they already forwarded your email to me. 19:12:57 however, the UCT Pub (who are catering our lunch + dinner during debcamp) could also do debconf 19:13:00 and the status is: "the search continues, indiebio is on it"? 19:13:01 they're just small 19:13:10 indiebio: well I have been taking this on so I would like to see it finished and talk to them eprsonally not going on opnions 19:13:11 or we could use the shitty venue caterer, and send people with special needs to the pub 19:13:14 can solving this wait for next week? 19:13:34 fine. 19:13:44 "send people with special needs" translates to those who eat meat or other strange food? 19:13:53 yeah 19:13:58 in SA, people who don't eat meat are strangew 19:14:03 well, who eat anything except what they provide 19:14:06 * h01ger likes if everybody eats together 19:14:15 yes, that is the best 19:14:24 but it sounds like "together" is going to be two shifts of together 19:14:25 let's get back onto this next week. 19:14:31 * highvoltage knows many local vegeterians and they are well accepted 19:14:34 indiebio, tamo: take it back to e-mail? 19:14:38 I'll try to compile a wiki like we did for the venues during the bid 19:14:39 #info "the search continues, indiebio is on it" 19:14:46 highvoltage: I don't think they cater to vegitarians in the res, even 19:14:53 tumbleweed: but people can select the shift and go with friends 19:14:57 *boggle* 19:14:58 indiebio: thanks for working on the most important part! f000d! :) 19:14:59 #topic DebConf dinner 19:15:01 tumbleweed: then it's they who are weird. 19:15:02 #action indiebio to make a comparison wiki for catering. all to contribute 19:15:09 h01ger: that's tamo, actually 19:15:14 h01ger: the pub can only accomodate 180 at a time so we need to eat in intervals 12-1pm and 1pm - 2pm etc 19:15:19 highvoltage: quite. But the university treats undergrads as dirt, so ... :P 19:15:20 next topic please 19:15:38 I vote Aquarium 19:15:41 back to conference dinner options 19:15:49 yeah, of the options, I like it the most 19:15:50 indiebio: tamo: thank you both then. 19:15:52 that's the frontrunner, isn't it? 19:16:03 tamo: would you consider a wine farm? (e.g. simons at groote constantia) 19:16:24 * highvoltage just came from simons 19:16:30 the people at the Aquarium are also very helpful, and all sorts of strange eating is encouraged ;) (they're hippies, there's raw, vegan ....) 19:16:33 but the aquarium is probably better for dispersing to pubs 19:16:41 (doesn't look like they could quite take debconf's numbers, depending on how many people will end up attending) 19:16:44 h01ger: I've been dealing with all this 19:17:24 tumbleweed: sure but no view in Winter so you'd be driving in the dark and leaving in the dark 19:17:30 that's true 19:17:36 tumbleweed: unless we get there earlier 19:17:37 aquarium++ :) 19:18:14 tumbleweed: or ther is Constantia Glen if we left at 3pm we'd get a good view 19:18:20 In summer I would push for the farms but in winter I think the aquarium is just so much more interesting and easier 19:18:44 sounds like we have an agreement then :) 19:18:49 highvoltage: Yup Aquarium is awesome 19:19:04 * cate votes Moyo, just to be different ;-) 19:19:34 [really bacause a botanical garten wins in any case ;-) ] 19:19:43 My vote is for Aquarium 19:19:44 oh, the botanical garden is spectacular 19:19:49 but also, a day, not evening thing 19:19:58 cate: yup but dark in Winter can't see anything :( 19:20:00 and moyo's food isn't as good as it used to be :/ 19:20:05 cate: the botanical garden *is* spectacular, but you don't get to see that much from Moyo... 19:20:10 I'd rather make it a day-trip 19:20:21 where-as the aquarium is right there! 19:20:21 imho moyo at kirstenbosch was never good 19:20:35 ok. capetown in winter is probably similar to northern egypt in winter. works for me :) 19:20:36 #agreed conference dinner at the aquarium is the favourite 19:20:42 tumbleweed: ok so are we decided on teh Aquarium? 19:20:47 tamo: I think so 19:20:52 +1 19:21:01 tumbleweed: cool I will contact her and book it 19:21:10 super :) 19:21:17 #action tamo to book the aquarium 19:21:24 #topic preferred hotel 19:21:24 +1 (and I will day a trip to botanical garden some non-busy day) 19:21:29 tumbleweed: we may need a deposit but lets get a final quote/invoice 19:21:30 do we even have to talk about this? 19:21:35 isn't there something on the wiki? 19:21:45 tamo: yeah, hopefully we'll have some money by then :P 19:21:45 well, in that case we know the budget for the buses: R2530 per 60-seater bus, nkukard 19:21:59 indiebio: err, what are we talking about? 19:22:05 dunno, but I'm hoping for Protea Hotel Mowbray 19:22:16 no, I mean, bus-wise? 19:22:19 was just wondering if there is something somewhere, think highvoltage was on it? 19:22:36 so, if we direct people (e.g. families) to a hotel, surely we want them all in the same one? 19:22:38 https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Accomodation/External 19:22:59 I don't know if we link to that prominently enough? 19:23:02 tumbleweed: sorry, the Jammie guy just gave an example price for a bus, but the one he used was for the V&A. 19:23:11 so we have that quote for the budget then :) 19:23:14 highvoltage: didn't you put a nice list together of B&B's and Hotels in the area 19:23:19 indiebio: oh, is that in reference to the dinner? 19:23:22 * h01ger off-topicly wows at https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16 - nice work! (the look!) 19:23:24 yes, tumbleweed 19:23:42 h01ger: highvoltage is a wow-machine :) 19:23:43 h01ger: thanks :) 19:23:52 we probably just need to give recommendations, people can make up their own minds and book their guesthouses / hotels themselves (or coordinated with friends) 19:24:09 we could ask for a group discount from one of them 19:24:16 do we care? is it too late for that, even? 19:24:17 highvoltage: nice! 19:24:27 'K, that's fine then. move on. 19:24:40 its also nicer is debconf people stay with other debconf people… 19:24:43 tumbleweed: if you feel you can get that. Ask for 10 rooms and as long as we have no obligation...all fine. 19:24:44 tumbleweed: not too late and can be done 19:24:46 can we recommend 1-3? 19:25:05 can we recommend 1-3 hotels? 19:25:07 I'm guessing if we recommend a hotel, it's the protea? 19:25:48 ah, I see the guest houses already offered discounts 19:26:12 we could do it like fosdem, provide the information but say it's strictly third-party? 19:26:14 guest houses were more willing to accomodate special requests and discounts 19:26:17 except that apparently debconfers will hate the corporate-ness of it. Those guesthouses are really close, so I'm happy with just sharing that link 19:26:23 yeah 19:26:24 let's move on? 19:26:29 yup 19:26:30 #topic final accomm numbers 19:26:41 so, sunday was the deadline we set for people to be guaranteed accom 19:26:44 highvoltage: we have also corporate people, who like coorporate hotels 19:26:44 i think it would be nice if someone adds 1-2 recommendations 19:27:00 I hated dealing with the hotels. they forwarded my mail to a whole chain of people who just wanted to dodge the questions like a hot potato 19:27:09 Yes, one for families and one typical for corporations 19:27:10 #info i think it would be nice if someone adds 1-2 recommendations 19:27:17 for you in the know its easy to say "protea" or "guesthouse accross the street" but will people find those via the net? 19:27:19 cate: No problem, tell their people to get in touch with my people and we'll sort something out. 19:27:22 indiebio: thanks 19:27:22 I'll try my corporatey friends for recommendations :) 19:27:29