18:33:57 #startmeeting 18:33:57 Meeting started Wed Mar 9 18:33:57 2016 UTC. The chair is tumbleweed. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:33:57 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:34:00 #agenda https://storm.debian.net/shared/pg75HcKvGVql2SS_PdlitmnPFMUTTYz4_A6mqT_LeDr 18:34:04 tumbleweed: could we make it a set meeting if everyone can attend, it is worth a good discussion and we will need to secure someone soon 18:34:44 #topic food meeting 18:34:48 same time, tomorrow? 18:34:53 objections? 18:35:03 Nope not from me 18:35:28 I can't, but sure tamo can speak on my behalf 18:35:35 dumbassman: what works for you? 18:35:38 nkukard would probably be good to attend that one as well 18:35:47 is that for a food meeting? 18:35:53 as food is one of the cost drivers. Possibly :) 18:35:53 highvoltage: yes 18:35:58 DLange: yeah 18:35:59 dumbassman: yebo! 18:35:59 ah, +1 18:36:43 DLange: yes def, mostly about cost 18:38:17 tumbleweed: The bottom line is we have spoken to 3 Caterers and Food Trucks, each have given their price per head for Lunch and Dinner as well as Catering options 18:38:18 well, he doesn't seem to be around, so let's circle back to that 18:38:56 tamo: can you upload that info to the git please? 18:38:58 tamo: we may have to coordinate this by e-mail. (or, worst case, deal with it, this time next week) 18:39:12 tumbleweed: Debcamp we have Matt Fox lined up 18:39:32 tamo: do they need a quick answer? 18:39:43 tumbleweed: :( ok maybe email then yes most bu next week 18:40:03 I need another Hour and I can upload all 18:40:12 that's fine 18:40:33 cate: yes by next week we can't linger otherwise we will miss out 18:41:46 tamo: can you mail the list, (CC nkukard) about a meeting this time tomorrow, and if we haven't heard from him, we do it anyway? 18:42:50 I have done an overview of what our requiremets are, what their requirements are, venue options, catering options, price per head, and I need to find a way to put all the menu's on wiki? Or should I add all the Dropbox? 18:43:08 tumbleweed: PERFECT! will do 18:43:20 menus in dropbox are fine, we can hustle them into git 18:43:59 tumbleweed: ok great will do. ginggs and I had a great meeting with Fuller Hall today!! If we have time we can chat about that! 18:44:41 I've been burning to hear about that since I saw you went :) 18:44:44 OK, added to the agenda 18:44:50 highvoltage: :) 18:44:55 #topic Registration 18:45:01 sorry, this was item 1, we got sidetracked 18:46:01 the wafer support for registration is basically ready to roll 18:46:06 BTW registration@ is starting to get questions about registration. 18:46:14 yeah 18:46:15 we all are :) 18:46:36 but my comment is more: we also need someone who answer 18:46:53 I do it now, but we need nattie and her team 18:47:21 this isn't the only dormant team we have to revive... 18:48:12 I'll prod her. I don't know what else we should be doing? 18:48:54 fix a date for opening registration? 18:48:59 bursaries. Fortunatelly it seems that somebody is already working on diversity for debconf16 18:49:20 we have one month left before we need to commit financially to the venue 18:49:43 (and lucky us they aren't the quickest so we may be able to squeeze out another week or two) 18:49:55 DLange: of course 18:50:25 cate: yep 18:50:38 DLange: why a month? Shouldn't we secure it now? 18:51:06 tamo: what he means is that we have a month until we can get our last bit of deposit back, if we change numbers 18:51:19 they start getting more inflexible, closer to the start 18:51:24 tumbleweed: aaah ok :) 18:51:29 tamo: it is secured but we need to tell them the number of attendees in middle of April or pay for empty beds 18:51:53 DLange: ok I see 18:52:25 DLange: would pre-reg give us the numbers? 18:52:25 can we fix a registration opening date? 18:52:34 tamo: no, it's too late for pre-reg 18:52:56 (and tumbleweed is not yet fully convinced of that but time plays into my hands :)) 18:53:12 DLange: no, my argument was about expedience, too 18:53:21 DLange: ok so moving straight to registration then, and get the numbers from there 18:53:40 DLange: :) 18:53:41 DLange: this time next week? 18:54:07 I think that's quite doable. And a simple pre-reg form could be up today 18:54:08 tumbleweed: you need to say. You're the one that needs to do the work. And the only one unfortunately. 18:54:27 DLange: no, the bits I wanted to do, I've done :) 18:54:44 it's hackable by others now 18:54:47 well, we need the form as laid out in the storm thingie 18:54:50 but I'm committed to getting it up in a week, anyway 18:55:07 the storm thingie: https://storm.debian.net/shared/qKjZNbELKum3K5TOMcNAJmdkBDCDsN0qwMWAl2_4QkX 18:55:14 I've just been eyeing over that, again 18:55:31 so shall we communicate registration is open 17.03. - 05.04.2016? 18:55:52 (we can re-open after that but not with sponsoring etc. yadda, yadda) 18:55:55 yeah 18:55:58 was about to say 18:57:06 . #agreed DC16 registration is open 17.03. - 05.04.2016. Communication can start now.? 18:57:13 I'm OK with that 18:57:28 cate, larjona? 18:57:41 I'll need help from others, reviewing the form, of course 18:57:48 * DLange is all yours 18:58:12 for me it is ok, but I would like to have a working version few days before, so that all team could check 18:58:22 (mainly bursaries) 18:58:22 cate: me too 18:58:40 Nothing definitive, but with some structure 18:58:47 o.k. so internal deadline 13.03.2016? 18:58:52 (next Sunday) 18:58:57 DLange: yep 18:59:09 ok 18:59:34 you need to do the #agreed then as you are the chair :) 18:59:41 I think anyone can say it 18:59:50 #agreed DC16 registration is open 17.03. - 05.04.2016. Communication can start now. 19:00:16 OK, moving on 19:00:21 #agreed internal deadline for registration form 13.03.2016 (for internal testing Mo. & Tue.) 19:00:31 oh, we're going to need more background information up on the website, too 19:00:36 let's see what ends up in the protocol :) 19:00:51 highvoltage, superfly: I'm guessing you'll be helping, there 19:01:01 do we do this as Django pages? 19:01:02 tumbleweed: yep 19:01:03 information about the venue, accom, etc 19:01:06 DLange: wafer pages :) 19:01:28 you in marketing? :) 19:01:29 wafer is a Django app ... 19:01:36 tumbleweed: who/where is the best place to get the content from? 19:01:53 DLange: there isn't a "django page", as such. The pages we're using are a wafer concept 19:01:55 superfly: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/ 19:02:18 I guess all is there. Prices for accom and food are in the storm thingie tumbleweed pasted above 19:02:31 tumbleweed: yeah! 19:02:36 we must get nkukard to ack those prices, too 19:02:37 BTW wiki has a probably wrong data for debcamp 19:02:55 #action superfly, highvoltage to get some background up on the website 19:03:14 highvoltage, superfly: it doesn't actually matter if content is on the wiki / website. It just needs to exist 19:03:17 superfly: if you need content generated, please shout. larjona and tamo and a whole bunch of us are eager to write stuff 19:03:24 and be linked to from the website, in the expected places 19:03:31 cate: many have booked flights and we have the same dates booked at UCT, so I guess DebCamp timing *looks very fine* :) 19:03:40 highvoltage: please do, if you send me pages, I can make them look nice 19:03:54 great 19:03:57 * superfly is not really a writer 19:04:01 DLange: but I think there is a typo. Thu 23 19:04:25 the website has the canonical debcamp date, IIRC 19:04:28 highvoltage: not sure if I will be of help as writer :) but I can pull from the prvious website and tweak? 19:04:45 * tumbleweed likes writing, but I also have code to write :P 19:04:55 tamo: ok let's see how it works out 19:04:58 anyway, next topic 19:05:07 highvoltage: okidoke :) 19:05:07 #topic UCT contract 19:05:15 CMC has submitted forms to accommadation, again 19:05:54 we must still get back to belinda about money collection, too 19:06:11 as said earlier this week, somebody from CT has to go to Belinda and explain the concept of sponsored vs. non-sponsored people 19:06:28 that is essential so she knows that only the latter she needs to collect from 19:06:30 I can try to schedule a call with her 19:06:41 and the former should be the deposit more or less :) 19:06:42 DLange: i don't know why this can't be said in an email 19:07:01 we can try via e-mail, and see what happens 19:07:02 ginggs: to complicated for somebody not knowing Debconf 19:07:06 too, too 19:07:41 imo it should be at least said in an email, it leaves a paper trail and it's something she can show to her team rather than sounding like some 3rd hand information she's passing on 19:07:56 yeah, e-mail, and a call explaining it if necessary 19:07:58 sounds reasonable 19:08:11 tumbleweed: agreed 19:08:18 so who does this? 19:08:42 I was intending to, but I am taking on too much, here 19:08:51 ginggs: I thought that would be super easy for you? otherwise I could go to UCT on Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday next week 19:08:52 i'm happy to make the call or see her in person if needed 19:08:57 still, I'm happy to have a shot at the e-mail, now 19:09:45 #action tumbleweed and ginggs to talk to CMC about money collection 19:09:48 #topic Fuller visit 19:09:52 tamo: Talk to us! 19:09:55 any pictures? 19:10:34 tumbleweed: oooh nooo Dam!! Sorry i totally forgot :( I can maybe arrange with her on Friday to do that? 19:11:23 tumbleweed: ginggs and I met with Kristen who is the lady that supervises everything at Fuller she answers to Peter 19:12:14 So one of the big requirements for catering is storage, a kitchen, catering own crockery etc and that is what we needed to see at Fuller 19:12:40 so as one option we can have lunch and dinner all at one venue and it is where the accomodation is 19:13:19 She said that if we were using all 200 rooms then the Res is ours and we can double up rooms by taking out a desk and adding abed 19:14:00 or for couples etc we can do 2beds in one room so gives us a few extra rooms 19:14:05 neat! 19:14:14 * tumbleweed wonders about the pricing for that 19:14:30 of course, if we do that, we're less likely to use all 200 rooms 19:14:54 why do we just hear about this now :( grr@UCT 19:14:58 YUP! These are options: please bare with me (a slow typist) 19:15:05 Peter? 19:15:15 you said Kristen answers to Peter 19:15:18 will tell you about him in a minute 19:16:40 1) We could have 2 common rooms, with 4 or so rooms for hacking, which we can book as normal rooms, they will also give us part of the kitchen for washing up and a storage room to store all the catering equipment 19:17:43 The main common room can hold 250 people with a balcony (covered) that looks out over CT, with toilets on either side 19:17:53 maybe more? 19:18:34 is that the food hall? 19:19:12 This is where we could set up for dinner and lunch then have a small use of the kitchen - the main eating area can house numbers too but if other people are staying then it limits the numbers 19:20:16 tumbleweed: the one with the balcony is one of the large common rooms 19:20:40 i think we should check on those numbers, the dining hall down stairs could seat 200 in its current configuration (we could bring in more tables, if needed), the upstairs common room with the balcony looked smaller to me 19:21:44 ginggs: sure we could def, to me the common room looked bigger - but we would need to measure etc. 19:22:24 Option 2: we hire out all 200 rooms she gives us 14 extra we can use for hack rooms and we have full use of everything 19:23:28 This all needs to be put into an email and sent to Peter for approval. But Kirsten says that due to it being Holidays he wouldn't have a problem. 19:23:37 if we don't take the whole of Fuller, the kitchen will be operational for other guests and that makes it tricky to share the kitchen with other caterers 19:24:09 This email we can send to him tomorrow and hear what he has to say, tumbleweed we can also find out cost 19:24:12 do we have the Breakwater location or another lecture area as well? Like not only Fuller (or Fuller and Smuts)? 19:24:16 see https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Bids/Cape_Town/Venues/UCT_Breakwater 19:24:29 DLange: breakwater is another campus - it's 10 mins drive away 19:24:38 DLange: and no, we don't have it 19:24:54 tumbleweed: so the is what we found out today 19:25:01 DLange: however, this is the main campus, there are lecture theatres *everywhere* 19:25:09 DLange: Fuller is for accommodation, but we could use it for meals during the conference proper as well 19:25:12 Just not in Fuller, because fuller is a residence 19:25:34 tumbleweed: what do you mean? 19:25:39 tumbleweed: we just need to make sure we have a sufficient space of that main campus reserved for us as well 19:26:03 ... and then that is probably where people eat lunch and dinner, not at Fuller 19:26:24 no, it sounds like eating in fuller is the way to go 19:26:44 The other option is Leslie but then we would need to ask one of teh Restaurants if we can hire their kitchen as there is no kitchen or water supply 19:27:06 or the UCT club, but they can't fit us all in, in one go 19:27:48 tumbleweed: no Matt would get caterers or everyone does it in rotation, 12-1pm, 1pm-2pm etc 19:28:25 DLange: https://www.uct.ac.za/usr/downloads/uct.ac.za/contact/campusmaps/uctuppercampus.jpg fuller and smuts are the buildings at the bottom - the residences. Just about everything else is departments, with offices and lecture theatres 19:28:36 CON: people would walk far in the "elements" to get food, we would need to also time it well to get everyone back for lectures/talks 19:28:39 DLange: the uct club is in the sports centre, bottom right 19:29:26 tumbleweed: great overview. Thank you. Please make sure we get lecture halls close by to Fuller if possible. 19:30:09 tamo: our quote from UCT residences says that their caterers don't cater to special dietry requirements. We'll need a breakfast caterer too 19:30:12 tumbleweed: Matt can only fit 180 that is why we would need to rotate therefore Fuller or catering at Leslie would be the better option 19:30:39 DLange: the lecture theaters we are planning are in snape / leslie (4-B,4-C area) 19:30:42 tumbleweed: ?? Oh I thought breakfast was part of teh deal? But we can sort this out 19:31:08 tamo: I just noticed this yesterday 19:31:17 I can't recall if indiebio raised this, before? 19:31:22 tumbleweed: aah ok 19:31:49 tumbleweed: would that be a full on breakfast or just to cater for the special diets? 19:31:54 tumbleweed: so then still catering near Leslie, Snape is better than at Fuller. That's quite a walk. 19:32:09 Breakfast at Fuller seems a great idea though 19:32:23 could interleave nice for long sleepers etc. 19:32:24 DLange: yes, but then it'll be out in an open foyer, without a kitchen :) 19:32:40 5 min walk from Snape to Fuller (down a hill) 19:32:51 and 15min back :) 19:32:54 :heh 19:32:57 if you're full, yes :) 19:33:02 DC14 was way further to go for food 19:33:12 actually, maybe about the same 19:33:27 DLange: Lunch at Leslie would be ideal but then we need to organise with a Restaurant to help with Kitchen and storage and rental of that 19:34:08 tamo: how and where does UCT feed people that usually work at Leslie / Snape? 19:34:23 DLange: there are cafeterias around campus 19:34:27 (the knife and fork symbols) 19:34:29 tumbleweed: ginggs not sure if teh Engineering faculty can accomodate the kitchen option or seating? ginggs what dd you say about this? 19:34:54 people feed themselves 19:35:08 DLange: not quite sure of that but think Leslie?? and the Pub for a buffet 19:35:16 tumbleweed: so let's eat at 3 or so of the "folks and knives" which are *right around* Leslie 19:35:20 too easy? 19:35:37 DLange: they are restuarants, only open for lunch 19:35:44 DLange: could be out of our budget 19:35:55 and probably don't cater to all our needs 19:36:03 worth asking 19:36:10 lots of them shut down during the holidays 19:36:19 usually one or two open in cissie gool, and leslie 19:36:29 no kitchen in New Engineering, and I don't think the open space is big enough, also too open, so would create a lot of noise 19:36:33 tumbleweed: in the Food options I have done Pro's and Cons for each as well as the Catering and areas we have looked at for now 19:36:54 tamo: great 19:36:55 ginggs: ah ok, thanks couldn't remember 19:37:02 The restaurants are also privately owned 19:37:38 ginggs: Yup therefore we might have to offer rent, over the Conference 19:37:50 tamo, ginggs: Back to Fuller 19:37:51 so even though they might be closed, it doesn't mean we can use the space 19:38:06 there was talk about doubling beds in some rooms. Is that doable if we don't book the entire building? 19:38:20 tumbleweed: yes, i understood so 19:38:26 OK 19:38:27 ginggs: true! serious negotiation haha 19:38:45 tumbleweed: yes! 19:38:50 DLange, nkukard: We're going to have to come up with prices for individual beds & pp/sharing 19:39:01 they will take the desks out and add and extra bed 19:39:11 or we just do a flat rate per-person, and couples can share 19:39:14 *an 19:39:18 but presumably we could save money by putting 2 people in a room... 19:39:21 Kristen said even the single rooms are quite big, but she couldn't show us around, being term time 19:39:22 tumbleweed: the latter 19:39:38 best not to overshare, otherwise the supporting infrastructure (like the shared bathrooms etc) won't cope 19:39:49 that's true 19:39:57 I bet those will already bottleneck :( 19:40:01 and also where will they store 200 desks etc. 19:40:14 it's probably a good offer for some of the rooms but not all of them 19:40:15 in the rooms we don't take, ideally :P 19:40:16 DLange: not our problem :) she has a plan 19:40:19 DLange: in the dining hall :) 19:40:39 ginggs: haha yes cut catering costs down 19:41:01 so, you say we need to mail Peter about this ASAP? 19:41:02 but everybody had a table for themselves then... 19:41:37 tumbleweed: yes we wanted to chat about all with you and then ginggs and I will send the email to Peter and cc Kirsten 19:41:40 so i think keep them mostly single rooms, and using the few double rooms or single rooms + extra bed for couples 19:42:08 another option is to use the larger double rooms for quiet hack spaces 19:42:22 is that what tamo meant earlier, I meant to ask 19:42:42 "with 4 or so rooms for hacking, which we can book as normal rooms" 19:43:16 tumbleweed: yes more or less, ginggs made a comment today that in the eveing people would need space to get together in groups and chat and hack etc 19:43:56 so we would book rooms, as if it were accomodation and they would take beds out and put desks in there 19:44:05 but not near rooms for sleeping 19:44:33 cate: it is right next to the rooms which makes it ideal 19:44:52 he wants to sleep well so no hackspace next door 19:44:55 as long as they hack quietly 19:45:08 getting a floorplan would be great 19:45:09 we get classrooms for free, I'm hesitant to pay for hacks pace 19:45:13 she can also give us another common space with tables and chairs for people to meet or play games etc 19:45:20 quiet hacklab is ok, a evning mao hack it is not ideal 19:45:24 but the advante of hackspace in fuller is that it's secure 19:45:41 tumbleweed: yes def! 19:45:49 we may also want one for front desk, if they aren't too out of the way 19:46:21 yeah, please try get us a floorplan 19:46:27 * tumbleweed looks at ICTS's wifi floorplans 19:46:32 tumbleweed: she is also happy if we need to put signage up on walls or banners etc at Fuller 19:46:53 http://www.icts.uct.ac.za/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=3363 Search "Fuller Hall" 19:47:09 tumbleweed: what do you mena about the front desk? 19:47:17 8mean 19:47:22 sorry! 19:47:25 tamo: awesome! I've been fantasizing about DC capetown posters since DC12 19:47:37 highvoltage: haha 19:48:31 tamo: nattie and her registration team. A lockable room for registration / front desk is ideal 19:48:47 common room with balcony on first floor (fuller-ap-21) 19:48:57 but it needs to be somewhere that people can easily find, but also close to the action 19:49:19 dining room on ground floor (fuller ap-25/26/27) 19:49:21 ginggs: and the main dining call is crossing the middle? 19:49:27 yep 19:49:32 tumbleweed: I added the double room stuff to the storm thingie for registration. Just FYI. 19:49:42 it looks like double rooms are kind of scattered around? 19:49:44 and orga 19:49:45 tumbleweed: ah ok 19:50:03 DLange: ta 19:50:12 i don't know where the double rooms are 19:50:29 tumbleweed: maybe if we secure the reception and the space at teh engineering area where all the lecture rooms are it could work?? 19:50:53 tamo: yeah, that's one of the options I was hoping for 19:50:55 tumbleweed: maybe do the job fair there too the space is quite large 19:51:20 tumbleweed: do you need ginggs or I to find out? 19:51:58 ginggs: I think Kirsten mentioned that they are right on top? 19:52:21 tamo: let's get lecture theatres booked, first 19:52:27 ginggs: we did that ages, ago, right? 19:52:30 tumbleweed: ok sure! 19:52:57 tamo, ginggs: Any decisions you need from us? 19:53:01 tumbleweed: i don't think anything has been booked 19:53:18 not yet, just if we can go ahead with contacting Peter 19:53:21 ginggs: we must do, that, then? 19:53:49 tumbleweed: then tomorrow with the catering then we need decisions 19:53:57 tumbleweed: we got approval from the dean of engineering and senate, that is about it 19:54:29 tamo: what are we contacting peter about? common space & some room doubling? 19:55:05 ginggs: when do you think we should book, then? Any reason not to do it now? 19:55:13 tumbleweed: Yes all the info we spoke about re: Fuller he needs to give us permission and then we need to book it 19:55:28 tamo: does that mean we need to modify our booking request? 19:55:43 tumbleweed: kitchen use, eating area, common rooms, hacking rooms all that 19:56:02 tumbleweed: the sooner we book, the better - for lecture venues and accommodation 19:56:25 tumbleweed: not sure just yet, Peter is the one who makes the decsions and gives the go-ahaed at Fuller 19:56:51 ginggs: definately we don't wnat to be beaten by others and loose out 19:57:16 #action tamo to contact Peter and get permission to use kitchen use, eating area, common rooms, hacking rooms, and double up beds in some rooms 19:57:32 ginggs: Can you get on booking, then? Can I help pick venues? 19:57:35 tumbleweed: :) 19:57:46 let me rephrase that: Do you need help picking venues? 19:57:55 tumbleweed: please pick venues, i'll arrange the booking 19:59:15 ginggs: I guess this is going to involve some back and forth between me, you, and the contet team 19:59:38 ginggs: was I right in thinking we want to primarily base in Snape? 19:59:45 tumbleweed: btw who's the content team? 19:59:47 ginggs: and use some NEB classrooms 19:59:56 highvoltage: wendar 20:00:15 speed up offer: 3 lecture halls, 5 hackspaces, 2 spaces for social get together and chatter. Sufficient place(s) for all to eat. 20:00:23 tumbleweed: :) 20:00:36 highvoltage: yup, I volunteered to lead content 20:00:52 highvoltage: several folks who have been around content for a while will be helping out too 20:01:04 that's great. superfly ^^^ there's your content lead too 20:01:14 DLange: network NOC, video NOC, storage, front desk 20:01:26 ginggs: Snape/Engineering (apart from food/dining) ticks DLange "speed up offer" 20:01:49 tumbleweed: ack 20:02:06 and I guess, one big lecture theatre in Leslie, as a backup in case we get too many attendees 20:02:07 wendar, highvoltage: awesome 20:02:24 tumbleweed: kids area possibly, too 20:02:26 DLange: oh, and at least 3 BoF rooms 20:02:43 yeah, UCT has some child care, we haven't done anything about that 20:02:49 anyone want to take on child care? :) 20:02:54 tumbleweed: would be nice but we won't have two weeks of 3 lectures in parallel 20:03:23 tumbleweed: I can .... but nearer to teh conference perhaps? 20:03:46 tamo: we have to put out feelers to the child care people, at some point. But yes, no urgency for that 20:03:51 yes, too early until we know how many kids are coming (roughly) 20:04:15 OK, this exhausting meeting has been going on for a while 20:04:16 tumbleweed, DLange cool I have contacts so should be an easy task 20:04:31 #action tumbleweed to have a first pass through lecture venue selection 20:05:01 are we about done? 20:05:07 just a quick one 20:05:19 tumbleweed: for me yes 20:05:26 ginggs: go ahead 20:06:07 are we thinking of spending debcamp in the vicinity of fuller and the uct club, or would we want lecture theatres and classrooms for that time as well? 20:06:32 ginggs: if we get enough hackspace in fuller, that could work 20:06:41 however, video team will need to be setting up in lecture theatres 20:06:55 ginggs: we want them during debcamp to build up video (and network, power distribution if we have to) 20:07:05 ok 20:07:06 yeah, all that stuff too 20:07:15 at least - say - the last 3-4 days of DebCamp 20:07:27 debcamp tends to slowly grow into debconf 20:08:44 last call before #endmeeting? 20:09:00 call it done and get coding please :) 20:09:05 #endmeeting