18:31:31 #startmeeting 18:31:31 Meeting started Wed Nov 25 18:31:31 2015 UTC. The chair is tumbleweed. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:31:31 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:31:39 #link http://deb.li/DC16meet1 18:31:40 agenda 18:32:04 \hello, sorry slightly late 18:32:13 you missed nothing :) 18:32:17 #topic flyer 18:32:21 tamo: flyer is final, right? 18:32:51 ohi 18:36:36 erm, let's come back to this :P 18:36:38 maybe move on and return to this later? 18:36:41 right 18:36:49 if the flyer is done, then there's nothing to be said anyway, right? 18:37:02 I think the final version isn't in git 18:37:06 that's the thing we need to do 18:37:12 can talk about that out of band 18:37:17 #topic CMC and venue contracts 18:37:29 so, CMC contracts are signed and in git already 18:37:36 \o/ 18:37:39 venue contract is trying to be worked out 18:37:47 * DLange late 18:37:56 and it sounds like we're not going to be able to avoid the early large deposit 18:38:11 which means it's now in their hands, really, and we can only pester them periodically, and make sure that we stay on top of what they are fanangling 18:38:27 they won't consider it confirmed until the deposit is paid 18:38:33 tumbleweed: is the deposit lost if we fail to fill the accomodation? 18:38:42 we have the funds to pay it 18:38:46 it's really a risk question 18:38:48 madduck: no, they'll refund it 18:38:51 risk from UCT is low 18:38:54 oh then let's do it. 18:38:59 cost of moving money around is less low :P 18:39:02 tumbleweed: sorry my comp was playing up so had to restart it. Yes aas far as I know 18:39:07 but the exchange rate is in our favour right now 18:39:24 tumbleweed: okay, do we already have account info? Then I could get onto that right away. 18:39:47 what about this big-sums-of-money-incoming problem with ZA? 18:39:58 they don't think it's a problem 18:40:02 I mean, it mighht just take time 18:40:22 right. Do you want me to just take this on with Belinda? 18:40:44 or do we have all the details already? 18:40:49 I don't think we're there yet 18:41:33 but I'll ask her to go ahead on getting that contract done 18:41:41 and ask for payment details 18:42:08 (apparently they're rather busy with students making bookings for the summer (december) holidays right now) 18:42:08 okay, want to action that? 18:42:21 #action tumbleweed to prod CMC to get that contract done 18:42:43 #topic flyer 18:42:48 tamo: can we get it into git? 18:43:03 Hi yes I'll do taht tonight 18:43:17 svg too 18:43:24 for front and back 18:43:33 #action tamo to get the final flyer svgs into git 18:43:37 #topic wafer 18:43:43 I am going to add it to Dropbox because Git is still not playing ball 18:43:51 Yup and svg 18:43:54 tamo: that's fine. Tell me when it's there, and I can get it into git 18:43:57 i can import it to git then 18:44:01 or yo 18:44:02 or anyone, yes 18:44:03 you 18:44:19 right now I'm waiting for Ganneff to set up some debian-sso stuff on scratchy 18:44:21 I'll put it in git then. 18:44:30 Already said so in an email to Tammy. 18:44:30 and then we can bump that install to the latest wafer 18:44:33 tumbleweed: sure wil do 18:44:52 current development head of wafer has the drag-and-drop schedules 18:45:01 DLange: yes thanks 18:45:09 Hodgestar: around? 18:45:47 still waiting on superfly and/or highvoltage to hack at the CSS side 18:46:20 ftr, I have most of today set aside to learn wafer and get started on it. 18:46:59 I hope you have drinks ready :) 18:47:00 \o/ I have an empty office today (everyone is working from home before thanksgiving, so my distraction levels should be low, I can probably help) 18:47:01 I'm back in SA, and I actually have DSL again, so I'm hoping to get together with tamo either later this week, or next week, and then hopefully get the design done. 18:47:08 superfly: :) 18:47:26 good news! 18:47:57 tamo: I'm free most evenings, let's get together. 18:48:07 superfly: awesome let me now when will be nice to have all by the end of the year 18:48:24 superfly: if we can :) 18:48:36 I suppose the next things on our priority list are the necessary features for registration? 18:48:57 that and the key-value tags, which I know we'll need 18:49:06 superfly: sure maybe on the weekend or my next free night is Mon 18:49:21 tamo: Monday sounds good. 18:49:31 madduck: what are key-value tags? 18:49:40 #info priortity features: registration, key-value tags, APIs 18:49:44 superfly: perfect let do it 18:50:16 tamo: in the past, we've kept growing the database to accomodate more and more data and that became unmanageable, so the idea is to create a fr amework whereby everyone (front desk, accounting, whoever) can just create key-value pairs and attach them to attendees 18:50:44 e.g. nkukard as treasurer could create a field "paid" and set it to true for those who paid without needing database access or influencing anyone else. 18:50:45 madduck: ah ok I see 18:51:03 madduck: yes that sounds good 18:51:08 shouldn't be too hard to implement until we get to the UI 18:51:18 even that should be simple 18:51:28 let's move forward 18:51:32 #topic budget 18:52:00 nkukard has received some budget requests in anonscm.debian.org/cgit/debconf-data/dc16.git/tree/budget/budget.ledger 18:52:08 but we should probably all look over that again 18:52:11 and send him some patches 18:52:18 and we need a number everywhere where it still says "0" (zero) 18:52:26 at least a guesstimate 18:52:45 yeah, anything is better than 0 18:53:08 yes and neither T-Shirts nor Video team is "0" budgeting, so... 18:53:32 #action tumbleweed to get the videoteam budget in 18:53:34 so nkukard just wants us to commit? 18:53:56 nah, I'd send him patches so he can stay on top of things 18:54:31 or just an email to -team for those that do not want to learn ledger (so not you madduck :)) 18:54:44 patches to the ML might be a good way to go 18:55:02 we're a software project, right? :) 18:55:05 Dt-shirts i can get a genral idea at mid-December 18:55:05 anyway, let's move on again 18:55:21 #action tamo to get t-shirt pricing by mid-december 18:55:26 tamo: thanks! 18:55:44 #topic timeline 18:55:53 #link https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Timeline 18:56:02 tumbleweed: sure do you want me to do the badges and banners too so we can get an idea? 18:56:14 tamo: please! 18:56:21 sure :) 18:56:23 #action tamo to look at badges and banners too 18:56:36 nkukard: do you keep track of how you arrive at the numbers in the budget? 18:57:01 madduck: he said he wouldn't make the meeting, so I guess you'll only get a reply later 18:57:06 Our timeline wiki pages ays registration open, and CfP in January 18:57:09 still happy wtih that? 18:57:24 tumbleweed: if we can make that, that would be great. 18:57:38 we can certainly push a CfP out 18:57:52 the question is a bit about how we'll handle the two-phase registration 18:57:58 yeah 18:58:14 i really liked marga's idea 18:58:18 I think two-phase registration means we don't actually need anything in wafer that we don't have, yet 18:58:27 madduck: remind me what marga's idea was? 18:58:43 whereby phase 1 was just interested / require sponsorship / here's a proposal 18:58:47 which means we could do this today. Just the wafer install looks ugly (and there isn't a prod one yet) 18:58:49 name, email, and that's about it 18:58:54 * fil notices the time 18:58:57 madduck: right 18:59:11 fil: I know. we're almost done within half an hour. A new record \o/ 18:59:12 oh, I should mention I never got the bursaries schedule 18:59:25 +proposed 18:59:26 and then we formally open registrations in may or so and require the real data 18:59:43 bremner: who was supposed to provide that? 18:59:49 tumbleweed: ah -- I only just realised I was missing it 18:59:49 indiebio: 19:00:07 bremner: can we have some more background on it? 19:00:20 is this how much we allocate at which month? 19:00:27 I don't think our budget is anywhere near that,yet 19:00:31 there is a rough one in https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Timeline (basically Jan -> March 2016) 19:00:32 tumbleweed: there was a meeting, which I missed, that proposed a timeline. 19:00:41 but I doubt there is anything more detailled yet 19:01:01 *shrug*. Well, at some point one was promised me. 19:01:31 we should keep the promise and have that before we communicate any registration dates etc. publically 19:01:45 bremner: is the rough schedule in the timeline wiki page enough for now? what else do you need? 19:02:12 madduck: on the website we proposed that they fill out a form which would help to know waht is needed people wise which could support Marga's suggestion 19:02:52 tamo: yeah, exactly. name, email, family members, maybe dietary preferences 19:03:03 bremner: how long do you need/want to make bursaries decisions? 19:03:13 at least two months 19:03:25 I thought I could do it in one last year, but I was wrong 19:03:29 if we close registrations for sponsoring in february, end of april would be okay for you then? 19:03:32 madduck: yes so we know ahead of time, and might make registration easier 19:03:42 madduck: yeah. 19:03:52 madduck: that schedule sounds reasonable 19:04:15 tumbleweed: we could/should aim for 2016-01-15 for opening, and 2015-02-15 for closing sponsored reg, then we can pussobly have decisions by mid-april 19:04:32 end of april is just 2 months before and the flight prices will already be on the rise 19:04:38 #info could/should aim for 2016-01-15 for opening, and 2015-02-15 for closing sponsored reg then we can pussobly have decisions by mid-april 19:04:54 maybe even just a 2 week window 19:05:06 i feel like having a longer window doesn't actually help 19:05:11 as people postpone and forget 19:05:23 but people may be on holiday or so 19:05:29 I think that's fine, if announced long enough in advance 19:05:37 two weeks is a bit short for those that hike in their holidays :) 19:05:37 not "starting now, you have 2 weeks" 19:05:44 ack 19:05:48 so we should send a general info mail before christmas and already alert people to the timeline? 19:06:00 that would be awesome 19:06:07 yeah. "if you're going on a two week hike then, send us an email" :P 19:06:14 madduck: but just remember Visa might need longer especially with children, so 2 months sounds decent 19:06:17 we need a mail/blog post anyway about final datges 19:06:23 and means we need a webpage that tells people where Cape Town is and stuff 19:06:57 we need a webpage :P 19:07:00 anyway 19:07:03 are we done? 19:07:07 #topic any other business 19:07:12 https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Timeline#November_2015_.28-8.29 -> "Form visa team ..." 19:07:20 who's on the VISA team this year? 19:07:25 who's leading it? 19:07:38 DLange: mail the ML? 19:07:48 tumbleweed: still waiting for Brian to give me numbers should I stick with 50 for now 19:08:07 DLange: that's part of participant assistance, right? so nattie/cate 19:08:09 Re: brochures that will be printed on Mon 19:08:26 tumbleweed: visa team is usually someone local 19:08:32 tumbleweed: it was a seperate one-person team for DC15 (with changing one persons :)) 19:08:38 tamo: who are these printed brochures for, sorry I missed that. 19:08:43 madduck: yeah, makes sense 19:08:54 yes and it needs to be local (sign invitation letters etc.) 19:08:55 madduck: sponsorship team 19:08:56 madduck: for SA 19:09:04 tamo: you really want someone on the sponsorship team to answer that, and probably indiebio 19:09:11 ok 19:09:16 wendar: ^^ 19:09:59 DLange: can you take an action to canvas the ML for a visa person? 19:10:02 bgupta and me just need the .pdfs, no need for printed brochures or flyers from ZA. We already said so a few times. 19:10:05 canvass even 19:10:13 tumbleweed: can do 19:10:32 tumbleweed: well nkukard and all of us suggested 50 and that is what I received quotes for, but I'll just go with what was decided then, thought it best to check after last weeks meeting 19:10:46 #action DLange to mail the list about finding a visa assistance person 19:11:08 tamo: I never really understood what we'd be doing with printed flyers, which is why I can't give you a good answer 19:11:25 DLange: we do need a brochure here for the sponsors to be handed one 19:11:50 is anyone actually seeing any potential sponsors in person? 19:12:00 madduck: yes 19:12:04 AFAIK indiebio wanted to contact local businesses in person 19:12:18 that is where that physical brochure thing comes from 19:12:28 nkukard: also mentioned it 19:12:29 but I'd advise to check that with her again 19:12:34 OK, then how ever many she OKed 19:12:46 are we done? 19:13:01 fine from my side 19:13:03 ok cool Iam just going ahead with 50 no worries 19:13:15 tamo: great :) 19:13:19 #endmeeting