18:59:34 #startmeeting 18:59:34 Meeting started Mon Aug 3 18:59:34 2015 UTC. The chair is marga. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:59:34 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:59:39 #topic Roll Call 18:59:42 . 18:59:43 . 18:59:45 hi 18:59:45 . 18:59:47 hola 18:59:47 hi 18:59:49 o/ 18:59:50 Hello everyone to our last meeting before DebCamp! 18:59:53 Hi 18:59:58 . 18:59:59 Hi 19:00:01 o/ 19:00:02 <_rene_> hi 19:00:05 o/ 19:00:05 o/ 19:00:06 * larjona may be afk some time, expecting a phone call 19:00:08 o/ 19:00:11 0-' 19:00:12 #link Agenda at https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf15/Germany/Minutes/2015-08-03 19:00:15 * Zugschlus 19:00:41 . 19:00:45 Wow, we have a lot of people around today :) 19:00:52 #topic Registration / numbers 19:01:00 03Laura Arjona Reina 05master 5090515 06debconf-data/dc15 10website/openweekend.xhtml One more line for the job fair 19:01:03 #info We've reached 560 registered attendees 19:01:21 these are unique attendees, i.e. not all at once. 19:01:32 that is quite a number 19:01:33 #info With a peak of 527 attendees at once, on Monday 19:01:40 uff 19:02:00 This is way more than we had planned and it's really more than the premises will hold in a comfortable way 19:02:26 is there a limit with regards to fire hazard, etc? 19:02:41 #info We'll definitely need lunch/dinner logistics 19:02:42 * jmux just had the same question 19:02:46 can we ask a sponsor to bring deodorant for the goodie bag? 19:02:52 Main talk room: 250 ppl, second talk room: 120 ppl, big bof room: 45 ppl... This means that during the peak days there will be more than 100 people that will not fit in these rooms. 19:03:19 And we don't have that much hacking space either 19:03:21 I don't think that 530 is a fire hazard, but if the weather is bad, it'll be tight. 19:03:23 half of people will be in any case on hacklabs, bur for few plenaries 19:03:39 cate, we don't have hacklabs for these many people either. 19:03:47 hmmm 19:03:54 marga: we do have a lot of the small rooms that simply won't be available for ad-hoc then 19:03:59 So, my proposal is to add a tent for 50 additional hacking places, in the hostel's parking lot 19:04:06 This would be EUR 1000 per day 19:04:11 Can we convert the disco to a lab during the day? 19:04:15 each takes 20 people, and there are spaces after the weekend we can set up in the public areas 19:04:33 marga: are we allowed to put up a tent? 19:04:34 jmux: not a nice space, really. Might be a thing of last resort though 19:04:35 marga: not per day 19:04:40 that was a weekend rate 19:04:43 madduck, I know, but the small rooms also hosts bofs, workshops etc. 19:04:44 #info A last-resort solution for hacklab space might be the disco 19:04:47 marga: 1000 per day only the tend? How much for equipment? 19:04:48 did we get some additional revenue due to more pro/corp registrations than anticipated? 19:04:49 I guesstimated 2000€ per week 19:04:53 Ah, even better EUR 1000 for the weekend. 19:04:55 do i remember correctly that there is a large protected space under the balcony of the main room? 19:04:59 o/ 19:05:07 we could (relatively) put up a beamer and speakers thetre 19:05:12 RichiH: correct, under Heidelberg I-III 19:05:15 madduck: Yeah I know - it' a long ways from the other rooms and underground, but we want the people to sit at least 19:05:15 RichiH: yes, usable as hack space just like at dc14, but maybe noise is an issue 19:05:24 RichiH, correct, we are also planning in using this space underneath main talk room, but it's inaccessible if it rains. 19:05:39 protected = smaker place 19:05:41 I am not really worried about hack space on Monday as we can convert the areas of job fair and exhibitions to hack space. 19:05:44 RichiH: next to the air conditionate equipment. 19:05:47 cate: other side of the river == smoker place 19:05:48 cate: no, smoking won't be allowed there 19:05:52 * Tincho wonders if the mains supply will be enough for that many laptops :) 19:06:08 madduck: smoking will be forbidden in the river?? 19:06:33 azeem, we did get more revenue than generally anticipated, as we got many more sponsors than anticipated, plus a lot of corp/prof 19:06:38 not if you keep your head under water, Tincho 19:06:49 Please... 19:06:51 next homes are across neckar and neckar channel in wieblingen, that might be an issue, yes 19:06:58 * RichiH seconds marga 19:07:15 We have a lot of topics, and this is an important topic, please do not derail 19:07:26 marga: inaccessible not quit, you'll get a bit wet though 19:07:31 Tincho: for power, i have an idea or two, but may need to scout the venue 19:07:39 rain doesnt mean that it'll rain cats and dogs 19:07:42 The venue has a total of ~430 chairs btw... 19:07:54 (not to spoil the party, but...) 19:08:06 there will be beer benches in the beergarden which will double as a great hack lab if weather is nice 19:08:10 DLange: if it's sunny, we can sit outside. if it's not, that is a valid point 19:08:13 marga: will the proposed tent have power and (at least wireless) net? 19:08:15 We have two options: 1) make do with the spaces we have, hoping for nice weather 2) add an additional tent during the weekend + Mon/Tue that would add hack space for 50 people. 19:08:19 #link https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf15/Germany/Venue#Venue_furniture_.2F_equipment 19:08:20 standing hacklab tent? 19:08:23 bremner, it needs to yes. 19:08:25 DLange: Hmm - so we already need to get something to sit on 19:08:29 madduck, which beergarden? 19:08:46 they are making one for us by the table tennis tables 19:08:51 just some beer benches really, no chestnut trees 19:09:05 Will it have any kind of cover? 19:09:07 with a fueling station (i.e. drinks counter) 19:09:09 DLange: cheapest ikea chair is ~5 euro 19:09:10 no cover 19:09:19 Not even from the sun? 19:09:20 but I suppose we could try to organise a cover for that, yes. 19:09:23 bremner: it will have wireless 19:09:32 RichiH: not with my (or yours for that matter) weight 19:09:37 the main problem we have is that the main contact of the venue is on holidays 19:09:39 for power, let me talk to my current company tomorrow 19:09:50 madduck: didnt he return today? 19:10:01 no, sunday 19:10:28 Zugschlus: another full week 19:10:29 IMHO, this is something to discuss on site and then figure out a solution short-term 19:10:34 RichiH: ouch. 19:10:36 madduck: agreed 19:10:54 another thing we do need to keep in our heads is what we do iff too many people show up. Are we ready to close the doors? 19:10:58 Do you think we can hire the tent one week in advance? 19:11:02 probably 19:11:05 Ok. 19:11:08 but this is also something to discuss with the venue. 19:11:14 probably meaning it might not be the cheapest offer 19:11:28 do we need to speak only with main contact? 19:11:37 THW for the tent maybe? 19:11:41 he's the best to talk to, cate. 19:11:42 ? #agreed We will discuss this at the venue next Sunday/Monday, we might still be able to rent tent/furniture if we find a solution. 19:11:45 madduck: no, closing door is the very last option 19:11:57 madduck: but we don't have time to wait 19:12:07 cate: what is your counter-proposal if the venue is packed and the conference impeeded? 19:12:08 also for a non definitive answer 19:12:22 madduck: if we need to close the venue, we may need to think about professional security 19:12:27 I want to discuss that next, but do you agree on my proposal about the additional space? Or does anyone have any other proposal? 19:12:32 marga: +1 19:12:37 marga: +1 19:12:47 marga: ok for me 19:12:50 mention of ikea reminds me that they will give you your money back if you return things, so we could "rent" chairs from them 19:12:50 marga, +1 19:12:59 naughty fil 19:13:00 marga: +1 if there is no other space in the venue [disco, lunch room as hackalb, etc.] 19:13:03 fil: unused. 19:13:07 #agreed We will discuss this at the venue next Sunday/Monday, we might still be able to rent tent/furniture if we consider that a valid solution. 19:13:26 Zugschlus: nope -- as long as it weighs about the same, they're fine 19:13:35 <_rene_> and probably not if we buy and return dozens :) 19:13:38 fil: depends. 19:14:00 On the closing part. We are WAY over the number that we expected and that we can manage. I think it's time to close down registrations. I know this has not been done before, but we should consider that we have basically "sold out". 19:14:17 * _rene_ agrees 19:14:21 heh, registration are still open!? :) 19:14:24 meh :( 19:14:25 If we want to still be able to make exceptions for certain people, that's fine. But we shouldn't keep adding people. 19:14:30 might be something to include in the press release actually 19:14:31 marga: +1 19:14:38 can we overflow to some place nearby and stream stuff? 19:14:40 Can we close registration per day? 19:14:41 marga: +1 19:14:42 madduck: +1 as well 19:14:55 jmux: if someone organises it with the university… 19:15:00 It doesn't solve the problem. People will join in any case. 19:15:06 With of without registration. 19:15:07 right, we could accomodate probably some more people on the closing days? 19:15:11 RichiH: university but contacts there are ... on holiday ... 19:15:12 marga: what about people showing up at the door? 19:15:25 Tincho, I don't know, we probably won't turn them away 19:15:30 This is debconf, we also wrote the same thing few days ago, in this channel to one attendee [gwolf answer IIRC] 19:15:37 unless we run into seucrity issues, marga 19:15:44 Tincho: DD in. Everybody else: out *if* the venue is too full 19:15:51 DLange: i can try and access via belwue 19:15:52 madduck: like what? fire hazards? 19:16:05 yes, or it's just too full for the hostel staff 19:16:10 RichiH: please do. Esp. for Citizen4 screening etc. 19:16:11 * jmux just saw that almost all days are ~500 19:16:14 i'll talk to them and I don't think we have a problem. 19:16:17 madduck: do we have hard numbers for that? 19:16:19 yes 19:16:22 uh 19:16:23 no 19:16:26 yet i meant to say 19:16:44 but we will need to consider the possibility, Tincho 19:16:58 How many of such attendees are children and accompanying persons [which some year were not counted] ? 19:16:58 and I think security staff (2 will do) for the open weekend might be wise 19:17:17 cate: a handful. not more than 50 I'd say 19:17:30 madduck: yes, we need to consider these things now, but we need to know in advance what are our limits 19:17:42 Please understand that it's not like I *want* to turn people away. But at this point we are really completely above the limits of what we had planned for and the more people that come, the more problematic it becomes. 19:17:47 I will tell you at DebCamp, Tincho 19:18:15 DLange: i sent email 19:18:16 marga: I understand, I already feel pretty uneasy about the idea of a 500+ people debconf 19:18:21 RichiH: thy 19:18:50 I'm not sure how much difference it will make. It's not like we have 20 new people per day, it's usually between 1 and 4, but still... 19:19:04 madduck: a bit off-topic, but surely important: what happens with daytrip and conf dinner and C&W with this many people? 19:19:41 (and bbq, bday party..) 19:19:48 Tincho: many such option has a limit, but it was clear that new registration will not have all "perks" 19:19:49 Tincho: day trip has limits and overflow already has to hike or do other things 19:19:51 marga: but we do not want more influx once the PR hits, so I'm strongly in favor of closing registration for now 19:19:57 is the hostel aware that we might have day guests? 19:20:00 Tincho: parties should not be more of a problem than the days. 19:20:06 conf dinner is limited to 450, so yes… 19:20:12 Zugschlus: yes 19:20:16 madduck: good. 19:20:42 DLange: until we don't speak with the venue, I don't think we need to close 19:20:48 i think we do 19:21:01 marga: Well 2*14 is still +30 people 19:21:10 if it is urgent, we speak quickly with venue, if it is not urgent we wait 19:21:11 Well, it seems some of us think we do, and some don't 19:21:16 How do we find an agreement? 19:21:25 cate: We don't want to ask the venue and have the limit in 400 19:21:42 maxy: is that a possibility?? 19:21:44 and we don't want to have to tell them that we sent a PR without closing. 19:22:01 Tincho: no, they have 436 beds… 19:22:10 maxy: we need to be proactive, not act later 19:22:11 can summit manage some waitinglist? 19:22:27 madduck, Cate: re parties/trips, the problem is that now we need to somehow decide and manage how gets in these.. the conf dinner might be easy, but for the rest... 19:22:44 Tincho: day trip will be sign-up like last year 19:22:55 conference dinner can be managed with the stickers 19:23:09 Tincho: we have waitlist, and during DebCamp we will decide where to put the limit for every event 19:23:10 i.e. we have stickers for registered people and at most a few more until we are at 450 19:23:38 so who will receive t-shirt, bag and so on 19:23:55 cate, I have the feeling that the majority here in this meeting thinks that the right thing to do is to close down registration 19:24:14 cate, but you are the only one that can do it, so what would convince you to do this? 19:24:48 marga: discuss with the venue, and being sure we cannot accommodate them. 19:25:05 cate: our contact person is gone for 6 more days, so this is not an option now. 19:25:12 Really waiting until sunday to tell them that we have a problem, is not professional 19:25:19 cate, it's not about accomodation. It's about hack space, food queues, talk room space, etc. 19:25:40 "accommodate" in such meaning... 19:25:45 beds 19:25:47 There are not even enough chairs... 19:25:52 <_rene_> cate: it's not professional either to let it come to a bigger problem then we could avoid... 19:26:28 Should we close down registrations? Those in favor, please say "yes", those against it, please say "no" 19:26:32 yes 19:26:33 yes 19:26:34 not sure 19:26:36 abstain 19:26:39 yes 19:26:42 +1 19:26:45 yes 19:26:46 yes 19:26:47 abstain 19:26:55 abstain 19:26:56 yes 19:27:05 no 19:27:21 6/1/4 19:27:23 I support cate in knowing for real how many we can accommodate.. 19:27:28 yes 19:27:31 hm 19:27:37 are we getting too old to sit on the floor these days? (I have a folding stool that I'll be bringing -- others could do the same) 19:27:46 7/2/3 19:27:47 I am pretty sure that the hostel has a total limit of people allowed in the house and each room 19:27:48 It's actually 8 yes, 1 no, 4 abstain 19:27:57 Tincho: so do I, we can open again during DebConf if we find we will manage 19:28:03 Really we need to discuss with them. Then final decision when our contact come back, but surelly the staff know more then us about the venue 19:28:09 and iirc not adhering to those limits would be a felony 19:28:11 Tincho: *DebCamp, sorry 19:28:12 fil: filling the floors can get you into trouble with fire regulations. 19:28:28 and this is germany, I would be careful with such things. 19:28:29 cate: as maxy says, this will run the risk of opening a can of worms, big bad worms. 19:28:30 <_rene_> +1 19:28:32 The venue has a limited size. Even if they can somehow get more chairs from somewhere else, they will not grow more space 19:28:33 <_rene_> (sorry, late) 19:28:41 Zugschlus: and what are such limit? 19:28:48 Why we should wait to react? 19:28:59 that wouldn't be the first event closed by public authorities for such reasons 19:29:04 why do we need to wait for rodine, though? 19:29:11 we should not wait, cate, we should prevent now and close. 19:29:16 Indeed 19:29:18 anyway, I think we have majority decision, marga? 19:29:19 madduck: we need to open the can, quicker we open it, quicker we can react 19:29:20 Yup formorer and Zugschlus 19:29:26 Martina Rihm is available and has his contact info 19:29:27 Yeah, the majority has the decision 19:29:37 But the one person that has the ability to implement it is against it 19:29:37 as is Frau Linnemann 19:29:37 I also have his cell phone 19:29:52 can we postpone this by one day, then? 19:29:53 madduck: I'll close today only if someone will contact the venue tomorrow 19:29:56 and just _ask_? 19:29:57 I guess I can call, even though I really don't want to. I don't think speaking with anyone else is a good idea. 19:30:08 Ask what, exactly? 19:30:19 marga: max capa 19:30:20 his advice 19:30:27 and that 19:30:28 We know the venue, we know the spaces. We *already* need additional hacking space 19:30:28 what we can do 19:30:39 We are allready 20%+ then the maximum beds in the hostel! 19:30:42 I will get his advice but please close registration for now 19:30:53 jmux: no, beds are under control 19:31:04 give me a text 19:31:11 Tomorrow the PR will be released, I think you should close registrations otherwise you may get a lot more 19:31:24 madduck: what do you mean by that can of worms? I am confused 19:31:28 and add something to the pr about being closed. 19:31:29 madduck: I know, but normally a hostel fits people for the amount odf beds 19:31:32 ? #agreed we will close registration today, madduck to discussed options regarding capacity with the hostel during this week ? 19:31:37 someone will remove unregistered people from the premises? 19:31:42 cate: "due to the overwhelming amout of registrations, we have been forced to close registrations for now. please subscribe to for updates" 19:32:01 bremner: this being germany, i would not expect too many walk-ins 19:32:06 Tincho: if they tell us 500 is the limit, we have a problem we don't want to have. 19:32:23 madduck: how is that different if they notice one day that there are 550 people? 19:32:29 madduck: if he tells us during the day, the problem is arguable worse 19:32:32 hard to count 550 19:32:35 madduck: you can't have it both ways. Either there are strict limits or there are not. 19:32:43 if they say 500 and we exceed we may have much much bigger problems 19:32:46 that is really not acceptable 19:32:50 Tincho: it's always different to face a status quo together than to discuss something beforehand. 19:32:51 it is vital we know these limits for legal reasons 19:33:20 madduck: if anything actually happens, they will roast us alive 19:33:24 ie. fire and safety and risk of being shut down by authorities? 19:33:29 * fil mutters that it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission 19:33:35 and actual liability risks!! 19:33:36 fil: exactly 19:33:36 if they notice that we're overbooked during the keynote an impose a counting limite for the rest of the conference we're fucke 19:33:39 d 19:33:43 there are hard limits. you can't get planning permission for a commercial building without such calculations 19:33:44 <_rene_> fil: for the hostel, maybe 19:33:45 RichiH: aren't you buying insurance? 19:33:50 <_rene_> fil: not for german authorities 19:33:59 madduck: against willful neglicience? 19:34:05 The sum of the rooms capacities is 550. 19:34:12 madduck: insurance will tell you to fuck off if you do this 19:34:19 Guys, this is getting too ugly 19:34:30 Please refrain from using this kind of language, it is not helpful 19:34:43 Let's all take a deep breath 19:34:45 03Giacomo Catenazzi 05master 359e3c7 06debconf-data/summit 10summit/debconf_website/views.py registration close: no new attendees (user_profile) 19:34:55 and you should expect some kind of instructor to show up during debconf. 19:35:06 RichiH: no. So far we are not being negligent. 19:35:20 marga: it was not meant in an aggressive way, I mean that really insurance companies would not cover you AT ALL in a case of willful negligence 19:35:22 you have "registration_closed.html" to put the messages 19:35:23 maxy: valid point, thanks for that. 19:35:49 #info Registrations have been closed 19:35:55 okay, and we make a wiki page as waiting list? 19:36:03 ? #action madduck to discuss max capacity with the hostel tomorrow ? 19:36:06 #todo http://debconf15.debconf.org/registration.xhtml needs to be updated, too. 19:36:41 until today I thought that the hostel had way too much capacity for this ever being a problem... 19:36:56 I really don't like this now 19:36:59 marga: I sent a text to Stefan asking him to get in touch. I'll see what happenes. I don't think we want the hostel to tell us a max ccapacity, although maxy's info on meeting room capacities is helpful! 19:37:11 people would have to sign-up twice then 19:37:12 maybe "mail registration@" is better? 19:37:34 #action madduck to discuss max capacity with the hostel ASAP. 19:37:39 madduck: please, share what knowledge you have about this. why you are afraid of the answer? 19:38:00 i have shared everything that I have. I am just telling you about my gut feeling. 19:38:38 the fact of the matter is we know of high numbers, any liability cover knowing this is more than likey going to be void if there is a problem concerning numbers and we did not do our homework (from a legal point of view) 19:39:07 "Unwissenheit schuetzt vor Strafe nicht" 19:39:14 if we tell the insurance company 550 and I get that signed off by the venue, we're fine 19:39:23 RichiH: insurance is under control? 19:39:34 formorer, yep 19:39:45 madduck: yes, but i still do not see how we can really guard against this 19:39:49 what about the openweekend, you will probably add some estimates of the visitors to the insurance 19:40:13 RichiH: closing registration is a good step, and playing it openly with them. 19:40:17 madduck: but what is your gut feeling then? 19:40:36 it is a conference venue with 550 spaces in meeting rooms and 436 beds. I don't think 550 will be a problem. 600 might be starting to be a problem. 19:40:37 formorer: yeah, we should expect much more than 550 on the OW 19:40:50 Tincho: that we are best to wait until we speak with them and not try to get a max number from them now 19:40:54 03Giacomo Catenazzi 05master f80883b 06debconf-data/summit 10summit/debconf_website/views.py fix previous patch: really close registration [not sponsorship] and give context 19:41:13 Alright, I think we can move on now 19:41:14 there might also be limits for individual talk rooms 19:41:20 marga: attendee info email. 19:41:21 http://www.jugendherberge.de/de-de/jugendherbergen/heidelberg%20international10/ausstattung says it's even 565 (if I count correctly), but these are rooms just filled with chairs 19:41:25 we should really know and follow those numbers, otherwise we will get into real trouble 19:41:30 this topic was too loaded :-/ 19:41:37 #topic Attendee info mail 19:41:41 jmux: that does not mean that the fire exits, etc have that capacity 19:41:44 given that we have a total of 550 "seats" in all halls, they should easily hold 600 people yes 19:41:49 _rene_, larjona: What's the status of this? 19:41:54 fire codes mandate that you can avacuate a _full_ building 19:42:04 <_rene_> larjona has the PDF done, hasn't she? 19:42:12 presumably, when the peak happens, if things get a bit too tight, we can encourage people to choose then as a good time to pop out for a bit of sight-seeing, or meetings in nearby cafes, and solve the problem 19:42:19 <_rene_> so I need a script to get the attendees and send it out? 19:42:28 _rene_: maybe cate can help? 19:42:29 fil: and then put guards with people counters at the door? 19:42:32 What info is personalized? 19:42:37 it's more or less done, there's space for more info (now, only how to go from station to the venue and phones) but I don't know what else to write there 19:42:54 Cheese & Wine party is there? 19:43:02 i can help, but I lost all context on that mail 19:43:06 Check in procedure at the hostel? 19:43:11 I'm lost 19:43:12 larjona: payment options, contact numbers, check-in procedure 19:43:17 The fact that people should bring towels? 19:43:18 Tincho: no -- we're all volunteers, it doesn't take much to encourage people to do the right thing if explanation is given 19:43:50 I mean, the wiki is full of info, I'm not sure if we want to mirror that in the PDF 19:44:15 _rene_: the email should definitely include links to the wiki, please. 19:44:17 <_rene_> we at least should link there so that people know before arriving :) 19:44:24 payment options and contact numbers are in the PDF (well, no mobile phone...) 19:44:25 larjona: we can work on this after the meeting if you want. 19:44:27 it should have vital info for arrival in case attendees are offline 19:44:28 larjona, we want the what to bring / not to bring highlights 19:44:32 ok madduck 19:44:53 right marga 19:44:55 <_rene_> cate: again, I said a few times that I need a *script* for sending the stuff out. 19:45:01 * larjona is expecting not to sleep tonight, so... 19:45:04 Alright, we need for this to be sent ASAP. Please ask for help. 19:45:07 _rene_, I have a script 19:45:10 <_rene_> cate: I haven't talked about the content 19:45:15 <_rene_> marga: ah, good :) 19:45:17 we can't count on them checking the wiki 19:45:20 A deadline for the PDF is appreciated 19:45:30 larjona: we'll finish it tonight. 19:45:33 _rene_, we may need to add attachment capabilities, but it shouldn't be too hard 19:45:50 Will any of the content be personalized? 19:46:13 only the amount of money payable 19:46:18 but we need not include tis 19:46:22 people kinda know… 19:46:24 ok. 19:46:44 marga: attachment better than link though; mime-construct ftw 19:46:59 or hardcode the base64 content ;) 19:47:03 _rene_: ask me after the meeting 19:47:09 The PDF should probably not be personalized, but the content of the mail can have some personalized data, like date of arrival and so on. 19:47:30 when can we realistically send this? 19:47:33 Anyway, yeah, let's work on this together, I'll send my script to _rene_. It's quite nice by now. 19:47:38 Tomorrow? 19:47:44 <_rene_> yeah 19:48:13 _rene_: but we sent usually from nelson [pentaread], where you find my scripts. Having a DebConf mail server bring less problem. 19:48:41 I only worked in the PDF, no idea about the mail subject/body; I expect other person to write that... 19:48:45 <_rene_> ok, so I need an account there I guess 19:48:46 So you should ask probably Ganneff access [send him a signed mail with your GPG key id 19:48:54 I disagree there, but it's quite irrelevant, so let's move on.... We have only 10 minutes left :-/ 19:49:11 marga: the rest of the topics aren't really that important I think. 19:49:18 Really? 19:49:25 we can do them really quickly, I think. 19:49:26 <_rene_> should we do a "meeting" tomorrow (maybe earlier?) to finish it? 19:49:47 How early? 19:50:06 can't people decide this with the PA team? I don't think it is worht discussing here the details 19:50:14 I'd prefer to see a draft of the email in a titanpad or similar, that I can comment on asynchronously 19:50:20 <_rene_> anything 19 CEST onwards is completely fine with me 19:50:29 <_rene_> but I can mis-use work time anyway to do stuff 19:50:42 * Zugschlus won't be at home until 1930 19:50:44 for me ok 19:50:53 my first full five-day work week since 2007 19:50:54 I am certainly more worried about how we will handle the influx of people 19:51:27 Ok... So 19:51:49 #agreed The email should get sent by tomorrow, we will try to coordinate work on the channel as possible. 19:51:56 #topic Miscellaneous stuff 19:52:06 RichiH, status update on video coverage? 19:52:22 so we won't finish the first item then? 19:52:25 RichiH, Zugschlus: status update on infrastructure / networking ? 19:52:49 Tincho, we already did. cate closed down registrations, madduck will talk to the hostel ASAP 19:53:05 netowrk was built up by Zugschlus last friday 19:53:10