18:59:35 #startmeeting 18:59:35 Meeting started Mon Jun 29 18:59:35 2015 UTC. The chair is marga. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:59:35 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:59:41 #topic Roll call 18:59:47 Is anybody around? 18:59:48 o/ hello 18:59:51 marga: i am lurking 18:59:52 o/ 18:59:55 Hi 19:00:00 o/ 19:00:02 \o 19:00:04 #link https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf15/Germany/Minutes/2015-06-29 19:00:24 <_rene_> here 19:00:45 *lurk* 19:00:53 lurking. 19:01:30 #topic DayTrip 19:01:32 Thomas has been away due to his accident. I personally haven't followed up on anything. hvhaugwitz, do you have any updates here? 19:02:28 I asked again the tourist info about the way from the peer to Dilsberg castle and back to the youth hostel 19:02:44 and added the information to the wiki page 19:03:03 What do we need to do next? 19:03:20 It's only a month and a half till the conference, we need to make sure that we finalize any details 19:04:02 there are two options for the way there: neckargemuend by foot or by bus or neckarsteinach only by foot 19:04:28 way back is possible via public transport and last about 50 minutes 19:04:49 #link https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf15/Germany/DayTripIdeas 19:04:50 i think it is ok (but this is my first debconf so I dont know) 19:05:41 the way to the pier is not possible by public transport? 19:05:57 Every daytrip were dfferent. Just that 400 people on public transport could be difficult 19:06:08 apart from that we should decide which options to offer 19:06:11 It's not for 400 people anyway 19:06:26 cate: we plan to offer multiple options (see wiki) 19:06:45 i think the Dilsberg castle is limited to 60 maybe 90 persons 19:07:09 Right 19:07:31 I'm afraid that many of the options suggest walking distances that normal DebConf attendees are not willing to walk 19:07:39 (e.g. 7km for the beer brewery) 19:08:29 And if we go by public transportation we need to take into account the maximum capacity of the bus 19:08:38 We have walked a lot more in the dc13 hike trip 19:09:00 there is no need for all to take the same bus 19:09:02 7km to get beer.. hrmm 19:09:15 it's the coming back that's the problem ;) 19:09:24 ? 19:09:32 (after the beer) 19:09:33 yea luca 19:09:40 I can't walk 7km after beer :) 19:10:01 hvhaugwitz, well, if we are going to have a tour or something... But I guess it might make sense to organize groups of 20 or so 19:10:52 marga: so? 19:11:01 I'm just trying to make this work. 19:11:31 So, we could organize groups of 20 people that leave with different buses, and so start their tour at different times, but meet for lunch somewhere 19:11:38 That's for the brewery 19:12:42 I think someone needs to finalize the details for each option and then reduce the amount of options to 4 or so 19:13:01 any preferences? 19:13:22 hvhaugwitz: look what it is easier to organize and more flexible 19:14:46 I'd say we need at least one that is accessible and at least one that is free or very cheap 19:15:07 okay i will look at the other options till next meeting 19:15:14 I don't have any particular preferences 19:15:19 Thanks hvhaugwitz !!! 19:15:30 regarding the busses 19:16:04 #action hvhaugwitz to try to finalize details for remaining offers 19:16:07 hvhaugwitz, what about them? 19:16:21 madduck had something about busses, but he said he might not make it to this meeting. 19:16:45 as far as I remember thomas said that his options didnt need any bus, if the public transport way back for Dilsberg is Ok, my options dont need it as well 19:16:58 so ... no busses needed? ;-) 19:17:27 probably one for the most lazy people 19:17:56 * RichiH is here now 19:18:05 (sorry) 19:18:36 I think we could probably use some buses for one option 19:18:52 ok, lets finalize this question in the next meeting, when the othter options are more completed 19:19:28 ok. 19:19:31 Thanks again! 19:19:38 #topic Insurance 19:19:56 in-sewer-ants 19:19:58 This was a topic requested by madduck last time, but now he's not here. 19:20:15 * hvhaugwitz is away now 19:20:16 I'm not sure exactly what he wanted to discuss, but I guess, which insurance we need to get? 19:20:28 there is an open insurance sheet for the D&A for ganneff and me 19:20:35 else, i am not sure what madduck collected, info-wise 19:21:31 RichiH, is there anything that needs to be discussed from your point of view? 19:21:41 no 19:21:48 so let's skip the topic and reschedule for next meeting 19:21:53 +1 19:21:55 #info postponed until we know what madduck wanted to discuss 19:22:00 #topic Teckids 19:22:13 RichiH, you had said you would announce this somewhere... Has that happened? 19:22:20 i didn't get to announce it, but i talked to nattie about contacts to schools 19:22:21 no :( 19:22:47 Where were you planning on announcing it? 19:22:58 i will do so at the latest on wed; i can do a quick announcement on the DC list tonight, but we need to spread it further 19:23:59 Right, I think at least we need to send it to debconf-announce 19:24:04 marga: the dc list, maybe d-a (to get some news coverage), bits 19:24:06 aye 19:24:19 what is d-a, debian-announce? 19:24:28 For that you need better wording 19:24:33 I mean press stuff 19:24:46 i will poke the publicity team about it 19:24:47 And we had agreed to blog on the debconf15 blog, not on bits 19:24:54 true 19:25:13 So, at least lets start with debconf-announce + debconf15 blog. Then we can try to spread it further 19:25:23 kk 19:25:54 #action RichiH will send email to debconf-announce and post it on the debconf15 blog. Further posts to happen later. 19:25:58 #action richih will make sure news of teckids go to at least dc-a and dc15 blog by wednesday 19:26:01 For the record, that is so it appears on the debconf website. 19:26:02 :) 19:26:08 go team! 19:26:09 Anything else on this matter? 19:26:17 Do we need to do anything for them? 19:26:39 they need to register within summit and don't really want to, but i will handle that as well 19:26:46 else, no 19:26:57 ok 19:27:06 (next topic, imo) 19:27:07 #topic Conference Dinner 19:27:07 <_rene_> did we solve the room issue? 19:27:27 _rene_: i reserved two rooms, but was told they should still register 19:27:34 <_rene_> k 19:27:45 RichiH, do you happen to know if there are any news on the conference dinner? Last time madduck said that the contract wasn't yet signed 19:27:53 conference dinner is de facto done; madduck has a contract to sign and had no substantial objections 19:28:12 afaik, it's not signed, but he has the ok from ganneff and me 19:28:15 and loni 19:28:29 ok 19:28:38 no blockers, no red flags? 19:28:52 Any pending details that need to be worked out? 19:28:56 \o/ 19:29:16 ganneff wants more power outlets for laptops, but madduck and me think people should not bring any laptops, anyway 19:29:35 so... no :) 19:29:58 heh, I agree on that. Let's have dinner without laptops :) 19:30:31 * RichiH pointed out that they better fix a critical kernel bug if they break the laptop out during that time 19:30:37 #info The contract is ready to be signed and this should happen soon, everything else is fine. 19:30:51 #topic T-shirts / Conf bags 19:31:03 #link https://dc.hosting.faster-it.de/881272 19:31:08 Vote if you havent... 19:31:19 yes please 19:31:26 i am not sure if that voting mechanism is the best, but that's a tad bikesheddy 19:31:27 DLange, do we have final numbers? 19:31:47 Yeah, I'm also unsure about the voting, but whatever, let's see what comes out of it. 19:32:17 Budget has 693 T-Shirts, we always talk about ~500. We need to sort that out and then I need to negotiate. 19:32:17 as long as attendee is black, staff is khaki, and video is burgundy, everything is fine ;) 19:32:37 * marga is tired of black t-shirts 19:32:40 that'll be next week, hence the survey can run until Sunday :) 19:32:55 marga: get your friends to vote :) 19:33:09 DLange, the entry in the wiki from last week says 500 t-shirts, 400 conf bags 19:33:39 you have that in the agenda too but we need 500 bags if we expect 500 unique people 19:33:46 so that number is most likely wrong 19:33:49 Right, I agree 19:34:00 I copied it from last week, but I don't know where those numbers came from 19:34:04 i was told 500 bags and have communicated that to sipgate 19:34:25 yes, me too on various occasions 19:34:32 404 reconrimed, by now 19:34:35 this is what I currently plan for 19:34:42 and on T-Shirts we have 500, 500+10% and 693 from various sources 19:34:42 #info We currently have 484 registered attendees, 404 reconfirmed 19:34:51 we just need to agree on something by end of the week 19:35:12 ? #agreed There should be 500 t-shirts and 500 conference bags 19:35:26 Those are attendee t-shirts 19:35:36 On top of that, you have orga t-shirts and video-team t-shirts 19:35:55 I'd probaby do 600 T-Shirts as people say we can sell them easily and some people would like second ones for changing 19:36:13 if they are pretty, i will get a second one 19:36:17 but that's just an opinion. The budget has 693 so that is less than the budget assumption still. 19:36:20 not that anyone expected anything else from me 19:36:25 If there is some overflow it can be sold. So, round ask for more than be need 19:36:38 I think 600 is a bit too much 19:36:58 DLange, remember that the budget includes orga and video 19:37:04 How many orga and video will you do? 19:37:05 What's the price difference between 500 and 600? 19:37:07 yes, so does that number 19:37:24 500, 600 or 693 is *all* T-Shirts 19:37:39 incl. orga and video (so three colors in total) 19:37:46 Where does 693 comes from? 19:37:51 DLange: sometimes, weird numbers can be cheaper 19:37:52 Ah, ok. My thought was more along the lines of 500 attendee t-shirts + 40 orga + 40 video 19:37:55 marga: budget.ods 19:38:02 sorry, maxy ^ 19:38:08 (stays in the family :)) 19:38:11 if one box has e.g. 65 shirts of one size in a colour which they don't sell often, etc 19:38:23 maybe ask them if there are magic cut-offs 19:38:36 fosdem optimizes for that and saves some money that way 19:38:55 I have a size distribution from summit so statistics will be o.k. but obviously that doesn't help for the "last dozen or so" 19:39:22 Can we agree on 500 attendee t-shirts? 19:39:51 Or how many attendee t-shirts do you want to print? 19:39:54 I think that makes sense 19:40:02 so 500 + video + staff 19:40:05 Ok. 19:40:20 ack from me 19:40:32 I think 500 should be enough, for attendees, sponsors and ev. few for hostel staffs 19:40:35 #agreed There should be 500 attendee t-shirts and 500 conference bags, plus some video and some orga t-shirts 19:41:04 and then 500 lanyards to go with the number of bags 19:41:16 ... sure 19:41:24 I'm leaning towards generic Debian lanyards 19:41:31 #info and then also 500 additional lanyards 19:41:32 dunno 19:41:34 +1 19:41:41 http://roma.faster-it.de/temp/Debian_DC15_Lanyards_0615_Freigabe_change1.pdf 19:41:46 if we have the same number of bags and lanyards... 19:41:57 these would be woven ones so I think they'd have very good "token" value 19:42:52 DLange: an even better argument for making it dc-specific, imo 19:43:28 madduck also argued around that line but you get one for free so for a friend, wouldn't you take a generic Debian one? 19:43:32 I don't know if we'll manage to agree on this. I don't personally have a very strong opinion either way, as I'm anti-lanyard 19:44:00 I prefer generic lanyard 19:44:19 * _rene_ too 19:44:25 I do too as we have bags and T-Shirts already DC15 branded 19:44:53 * RichiH disagrees, but it's no use arguing endlessly 19:45:02 maybe also toss it onto the list and vote 19:45:11 or you decide as you drive it 19:45:18 Can we please avoid discussing about the lanyards? 19:45:21 nah, enough bikeshedding with the T-Shirts :) 19:45:24 Yeah, let's move on. 19:45:31 #topic Visa letter status 19:45:35 if people feel the need to bikeshed lanyards, they can do so outside meeting time :) 19:45:42 nattie++ 19:45:54 * DLange is available in PM for bikeshedding :o) 19:45:59 _rene_, I know that azeem_ has taken over this, but maybe you can give a status update since he's not here? 19:46:36 <_rene_> I don't know the status of after I gave it to him except that I saw some commits with people going by 19:46:49 nattie: Is "bikesheed lanyard" a real stuff? 19:46:50 <_rene_> no idea whether they got sent, but I believe so 19:47:16 <_rene_> (people/xx.txt that is) 19:47:31 _rene_, alright. 19:47:49 cate: no, as per above, there was no bikeshedding, only a short and concise disagreement :) 19:47:50 #topic Job Fair / Sponsor Exhibition 19:48:12 This is mostly FYI 19:48:37 #info Most sponsors seem not to be interested. We will be able to offer more space per sponsor, both in the exhibition and the job fair 19:48:47 do we have HP feedback on the booth/no booth now? 19:48:57 We don't 19:49:15 They are figuring out 19:49:18 <_rene_> not interested in job stuff, other exhibition stuff or both? 19:49:23 and ETA? 19:49:27 any * 19:49:32 I think the plan was, if the don't bring their stuff, we buy something on IKEA? 19:49:59 we probably have to as the Messebauer will jump ship next week if we don't wave more money at him 19:50:22 Heidelberg is a bit the end of the world when it comes to commercial services like that 19:50:28 Yeah, and it's probably not necessary 19:50:51 yeah, 1000€ + a few strong hands buy a lot at IKEA 19:51:05 is FSFE provviding us some extra stuffs for boths? 19:51:16 they bring extra tables nothing else 19:51:30 not very usefull 19:51:33 and these are the "hang wallpaper" type so nothing fancy at all 19:51:38 yep 19:51:39 _rene_, it's both. There are between 3 and 6 sponsored interested in the Job Fair and between 2 and 3 in the exhibition 19:51:40 DLange: if we buy for €1000, ikea will deliver for free afaik 19:51:50 RichiH: but not build up 19:52:04 We wil not buy 1000 eur 19:52:19 We only need a stand up table and a couple of chairs, and maybe not even the chairs 19:52:40 only if we need to buy Köttbular because the food at the venue sucks :) 19:52:41 Hello to all. Sorry for be absent today and can not attend with more attention the meeting due to work. 19:52:42 DLange, I'll ping HP later this week. 19:52:47 Regards. 19:52:53 thank you marga 19:53:08 #action marga to ping HP regarding they bringing their own furniture or not. 19:53:24 #topic Press / Publicity 19:53:39 This is also azeem_'s topic and he's not around, so probably nothing to comment 19:53:58 Last meeting we had said that we would wait until there is a page for the open weekend and a list of announced talks 19:54:25 So I guess this would need to happen in a week or so, after content has finished doing talk selection. 19:54:34 And someone needs to tackle the page 19:55:15 madduck wanted to do something during his endless train rides. May be he has something when he gets back into connected land? 19:55:28 There was some work done on the page, the idea is to replace one of the main options with another. 19:55:43 And avoid doing a redesign 19:55:58 Note for next year: make sure you have a web design that allows adding more options in the navbar 19:56:43 <_rene_> the design was copied from dc14 which was copied from dc12 afaicr 19:56:48 <_rene_> ;) 19:56:58 and dc16 will be copied ... :) 19:57:23 #info Note for DC16: you probably want to do a new web design that doesn't limit you when adding more items. 19:57:36 #topic Bistro Selection 19:57:40 DLange, any progress here? 19:57:49 sausages. 19:58:24 well, we have https://public.pad.fsfe.org/p/food_options and madduck has taken over from that to negotiate with Mr. Rodine 19:58:42 the drinks seem to be o.k., I have no status on the food wishes 19:59:55 ok 20:00:06 #topic Anything else? 20:00:10 Anything else before we close? 20:00:34 when is printer's deadline for sponsor stuff? 20:00:43 what do you mean? 20:00:47 t-shirts and bags? 20:00:50 yes 20:00:57 and stand-up banners, etc 20:01:08 We are basically past the deadline 20:01:24 RichiH: T-Shirts next week, bags the week after. Banners can be done within two weeks. 20:01:39 but as marga said, that's the last deadlines 20:01:44 no extensions possible anymore 20:01:57 #info t-shirts will be requested to the printers next week, bags the week after, banners within two weeks 20:02:50 http://roma.faster-it.de/temp/Enhanced-Viz%20Gymsac_QD18.pdf in case you want to have a look at the most probably bag :) 20:03:11 yellow? ;) 20:03:15 yes! 20:03:16 Anyway, I think we can end 20:03:23 #endmeeting