18:32:19 <moray> #startmeeting 18:32:19 <MeetBot> Meeting started Tue May 13 18:32:19 2014 UTC. The chair is moray. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:32:19 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:32:24 <moray> #topic Roll call 18:32:26 <moray> Hello 18:32:31 <vorlon> Steve Langasek 18:32:31 <moray> #chair vorlon 18:32:31 <MeetBot> Current chairs: moray vorlon 18:32:33 <gwolf> I will most likely not be here for a good part of the meeting... But consider my call rolling 18:32:36 <kees> good morning 18:32:44 <moray> #chair harmoney 18:32:44 <MeetBot> Current chairs: harmoney moray vorlon 18:32:56 <vorlon> harmoney is running a little late 18:32:59 <vorlon> but will be here 18:33:57 <vorlon> hmm, there were a lot more people here before we started the meeting, then they suddenly disappeared :P 18:33:58 <rmayorga> hi again 18:34:00 <vorlon> :) 18:34:45 <moray> vorlon: apparently! 18:34:52 <moray> #topic Sponsorship update 18:34:52 <vorlon> MeetBot: pingall roll call 18:34:52 <MeetBot> roll call 18:34:52 <MeetBot> _rene_ amaya AndrewLee anibal azeem babilen bdale bgupta bkerensa blarson bubulle CarlFK carnil cate Clint cpt_nemo cworth dam darst dondelelcaro edrz faw FBI fil formorer Ganneff gaudenz gnugr gregoa gturner gwolf harmoney heiserhorn hug hvhaugwitz ivodd jcristau 18:34:52 <MeetBot> jelmer jeremyb jimbodoors jvw Kaare kees KGB-0 KGB-1 KGB-2 lucas madduck marga MeetBot moray n0rman nattie OdyX olasd pocock_ rhalina RichiH rmayorga santiago schultmc schultmc_ sgran sSNS taffit_sud tiago Tincho tokkee vorlon wendar wouter xamanu xamanu_ xnox 18:34:52 <MeetBot> zobel zumbi 18:34:52 <MeetBot> roll call 18:34:57 <moray> bgupta: ?? 18:35:36 <vorlon> fyi harmoney added most of these items to the agenda and AIUI the people whose names are next to them didn't confirm they'd be available for the meeting 18:35:36 <gwolf> (is no news good news?) 18:36:08 <vorlon> I can try to give a brief update in his stead 18:36:19 <bkerensa> =o 18:36:23 <vorlon> we have $121k in committed sponsorship 18:36:31 <vorlon> which fully funds our budget 18:36:40 <bkerensa> \o/ 18:36:41 <moray> yes, the current status looks good 18:36:50 <moray> kudos to the sponsorship team :) 18:36:53 <vorlon> (the debian-sponsors git and the budget don't actually reflect this currently, we had a silver committment come in that I haven't recorded yet) 18:37:25 <vorlon> so obviously we would love more sponsors, to reduce the impact of DebConf on Debian's existing accounst 18:37:43 <vorlon> and there's still work for the sponsorship team to do, following through on these sponsors to make sure we get the money 18:37:55 <vorlon> but there's nothing dire here 18:37:59 <moray> yes, and it gets harder as the work goes on 18:38:44 <gwolf> \o/ 18:38:56 <moray> anything else on this topic then? 18:39:06 <vorlon> not from me 18:40:05 <vorlon> I guess we should also be thinking soon about how to incorporate the DC15 folks into the team 18:40:12 <vorlon> and pass the baton 18:40:13 <moray> right 18:40:28 <moray> time for the start of the reeducation programme :) 18:40:29 <vorlon> maybe someone on the sponsorship team other than me will have time to drive that :) 18:42:11 <moray> #topic Bursaries update 18:42:35 <vorlon> I didn't see faw put his hand up during roll call 18:42:48 <vorlon> so the status is probably just what you see on the list 18:43:09 <moray> Should we be concerned or happy? ;) 18:43:22 <gaudenz> hi 18:43:58 <gaudenz> I would be OK with doing bursaries again this year if you need more people 18:44:09 <vorlon> moray: we have a timeline which seems workable, and as soon as I have the list of bursars, I can get them added to summit with access to do all the sponsorship reviews there 18:44:15 <moray> great 18:44:29 <vorlon> so provided that the volunteers make themselves available to do the work, we should be on track 18:44:37 <gaudenz> but if I'm not needed, I don't mind doing other stuff. 18:44:45 <bkerensa> I would be happy to help with bursaries 18:44:59 <moray> Yes, there was a question here for more volunteers 18:45:02 <vorlon> and I padded the schedule a bit, volunteers were told to get their work done by May 23 and attendees were told they would be informed of decisions by June 1 ;P 18:45:05 <moray> please reply to the email if you think you are appropriate 18:45:06 <gwolf> IIRC on the list there was a similar offer by bremner 18:45:10 <moray> or prod your friends :) 18:45:13 <gwolf> and... one other person 18:45:31 <vorlon> yes, I've seen a fair number of volunteers reply by now 18:45:41 <moray> ok 18:45:59 <vorlon> do we care here to talk about numbers of requests, etc? 18:46:11 <moray> Not unless there is an active problem. 18:46:14 <vorlon> ok 18:46:20 <vorlon> (there isn't) 18:46:30 <moray> Though nice things are also good if you have numbers ready.... 18:46:59 <vorlon> total requested travel sponsorship to date: $50k 18:47:15 <vorlon> total registered attendees: 143 18:48:19 <kees> is that a lot or a a little at this point in the conference timeframe? 18:48:59 <vorlon> total sponsorship requests (of all kinds): 92 18:49:06 <vorlon> (end of statS) 18:49:14 <vorlon> kees: I'm afraid I have no idea 18:49:19 <harmoney> Seems awfully small to me at this point, but we haven't really kept track of stats on leadup to previous conferences. 18:49:33 <gwolf> I would say it seems (off the top of my mind) regular... 18:49:46 <vorlon> the only graphs we have for this stuff is munin data, which only go back a year and so don't provide particularly good info about rate of signup 18:49:47 <gwolf> also, many things are different 18:49:57 <vorlon> http://munin.debconf.org/debconf.org/skinner.debconf.org.html#Pentabarf fwiw 18:49:58 <harmoney> vorlon: I see 146 registered attendees 18:50:08 <moray> vorlon: plus munin archive 18:50:08 <gwolf> i.e. we haven't had a CfP (and therefore, no interesting talks to draw local interested people to register) 18:50:21 <vorlon> moray: hmm, url? 18:50:31 <moray> vorlon: http://munin.debconf.org/archive/ 18:50:56 <moray> 13 seems to be missing 18:51:02 <moray> Ganneff: ^^^ 18:51:31 <Ganneff> send me a mail please, im not home and wont be before tomorrow evening 18:51:42 <vorlon> harmoney: we have three people in the system who have created registration records, but have unticked the box saying they're attending ;) 18:52:29 * harmoney glowers. 18:52:37 <harmoney> Oh. OH. Right. 18:52:38 <moray> harmoney: hiya! 18:52:38 <harmoney> Ok. 18:52:49 <vorlon> it's allowed for someone to change their mind 18:52:51 <harmoney> moray: Morning. :) 18:52:59 <gwolf> vorlon: although that could be changed... 18:53:02 <gwolf> harmoney: o/ 18:53:20 <moray> #topic Talks team/CfP 18:53:55 <gwolf> I would say there's been progress and discussion... although quite too little (and I'm much at fault for that, for disappearing) 18:54:05 <gwolf> we have been starting the discussion on the tracks 18:54:12 <gwolf> but we don't yet have a CfP to send out 18:54:13 <rmayorga> gwolf: I was thinking we probably need more people 18:54:27 <gwolf> I believe rmayorga was checking the Summit part. Oh, here you are :) 18:54:34 <moray> Well, there's time still. 18:54:39 <gwolf> rmayorga: well, I did send two sets of pings to gather volunteers 18:54:47 <moray> Except for the people who want the schedule published 8 months before the conference. 18:54:52 <vorlon> from the summit side, I need some guidance on what the talks team needs in the talk submission interface 18:54:58 <gwolf> first to the previous team, and then to DebConf regulars (debconf-discuss) 18:55:17 <vorlon> the existing summit interface is significantly different from what penta had; and I don't want to reimplement what penta had, I want to provide what we actually need 18:55:20 <gwolf> vorlon: what do we have (other than "go play with the interface")? 18:55:33 <rmayorga> on the summit part, I still did not check for the admin part, vorlon pointed me to the wiki, but I did not have time to check yet 18:56:27 <vorlon> gwolf: you should be able to see this page on the test site: http://dc14-summit-test.dodds.net/debconf14/propose_meeting 18:56:56 <vorlon> and if anyone needs their memory refreshed, the penta interface is https://penta.debconf.org/penta/submission/dc13/event/new 18:57:21 <gwolf> oh, I get a beautiful AuthFailed :-| 18:57:38 <vorlon> hmph 18:58:31 <vorlon> gwolf: I'm available to debug with you after the meeting if you like 18:58:46 <rmayorga> vorlon: regarding the interface, the only comment I have is for the list of participants, this have not being disscussed on the team yet 18:58:54 <gwolf> vorlon: no, I cannot :( 18:59:12 <moray> More on this topic? 18:59:31 <harmoney> #action vorlon to fix Summit for gwolf. 18:59:31 <CarlFK> were should additional fields be discussed? (guessing a list) 18:59:41 <vorlon> harmoney: no, that is not the action! 18:59:48 <moray> haha 18:59:53 <gwolf> :) works for me 18:59:54 <rmayorga> summit to fix vorlon for gwolf ? 18:59:58 <rmayorga> :) 19:00:01 <vorlon> :-P 19:00:16 <vorlon> #action talks team to tell vorlon what fields they want on http://dc14-summit-test.dodds.net/debconf14/propose_meeting 19:00:19 <vorlon> there :) 19:00:28 <CarlFK> thanks 19:00:38 <gwolf> vorlon: Besides the talks submission fields, how are we re: the rating interface? 19:00:42 <vorlon> CarlFK: please discuss on the mailing list 19:00:45 <vorlon> gwolf: rating interface for talks? 19:00:51 <CarlFK> vorlon: which list? 19:00:52 <gwolf> I certainly don't think we need the full Pentastuff 19:00:55 <vorlon> CarlFK: debconf-team 19:01:02 <CarlFK> k 19:01:07 <gwolf> but yes, we need to rate the talk proposals... 19:01:09 <vorlon> gwolf: I don't know anything about the talks rating interface, not having been on the talks team 19:01:16 <gwolf> or at least, we usually do that 19:01:51 <gwolf> OK... so it seems we will do the talk-rating out-of-band? 19:01:57 <vorlon> gwolf: best would be if someone could write up a mail for me telling me what the requirements are, and then I can work on the UI at the next local meeting (May 20) 19:02:08 <vorlon> well, it's up to the talks team 19:02:11 * gwolf eyes rmayorga 19:02:13 <vorlon> I'm happy to extend the UI 19:02:24 * gwolf _strongly_ eyes rmayorga 19:02:59 <rmayorga> I will send some emails to gather more info from the other people 19:03:12 <rmayorga> and contact vorlon before the meeting 19:03:18 <vorlon> rmayorga: thanks 19:03:21 <moray> #topic Code of conduct 19:03:22 <moray> harmoney: ? 19:03:37 <vorlon> so harmoney is feeling a bit ill today and has unceremoniously left the meeting 19:03:41 <moray> ah ok 19:03:46 <moray> delay for next time? 19:03:52 <vorlon> I think so, yeah 19:03:58 <moray> #topic Conference dinner 19:04:10 <moray> (and I hope harmoney recovers quickly) 19:04:15 <bkerensa> +1 19:04:20 <vorlon> I added this one to the agenda for harmoney as well 19:04:20 <vorlon> so 19:04:30 <moray> Anything to tell us? 19:04:35 <moray> or just what has been on the list/irc before? 19:04:46 <vorlon> just that, AFAIK 19:04:49 <moray> ok 19:04:52 <moray> which sounded good, btw 19:05:01 <vorlon> well, the venue we had been looking at turned out to have been reserved for a film festival 19:05:05 <moray> oh 19:05:07 <vorlon> (I think that info made it onto IRC?) 19:05:31 <vorlon> so harmoney is now looking for other options, possibly grilling in the park behind the hacklab 19:05:58 <vorlon> anyway, it's still up in the air 19:06:06 <gaudenz> The proposed budget juggling looked fine for me. Similar to what we did for DC13 19:06:11 * vorlon nods 19:06:25 <gaudenz> As long as the overall budget for daytrip/dinner is met, I think it's fine. 19:07:12 <moray> #topic Delegatations 19:07:24 <moray> This is ongoing, not sure what madduck wanted here if anything 19:08:02 <vorlon> yeah, harmoney said madduck wanted to talk about this, but madduck wasn't the one that added it to the agenda and he said he wasn't necessarily available for this meeting, so 19:08:24 <moray> ok, so we can continue to... 19:08:27 <moray> #topic AOB 19:08:36 <moray> What else do we need to discuss today? 19:08:46 <moray> Besides thanking the DC14 team for their continued hard work :) 19:09:20 <gwolf> (absolutely, DC14 team rocks) 19:09:28 <vorlon> I'm not sure we have a next meeting date/time set, the repeating event on the calendar runs out this month 19:10:12 <vorlon> so maybe we want to discuss, and see if this is still the right meeting time for folks? 19:10:16 <vorlon> second Tuesday in June probably doesn't work for me fwiw 19:10:32 <moray> vorlon: discussing meeting times in meetings doesn't work so well 19:10:41 <moray> as people who attend are those who like the current imte 19:10:42 <moray> time 19:10:51 <kees> nothing new from me. network hasn't moved forward any more. will start leaning more heavily on PSU when I'm back in PDX. 19:11:20 <n0rman> registration is fine? vorlon we have some requests pending in registration@ and I'd like to help with this, just need permissiones in summit I think 19:11:23 <vorlon> moray: sure; but last time we did so we actually had a consensus to /move/ the meeting time, which was useful 19:11:33 <moray> sure 19:11:51 <vorlon> moray: and if we just do a poll, the results are often dictated by people who only sporadically attend meetings regardless of time :) 19:11:58 <moray> that's true too, yes 19:12:14 <gwolf> vorlon: You are a very importnt component to the meeting 19:12:19 <vorlon> anyway, we can certainly take that to list to discuss if you'd prefer 19:12:30 <gwolf> vorlon: So, in this case, I'd say pull it by a week time 19:12:32 <gaudenz> Do a poll and put more weight on those that actually frequently attend meetings (ie not me) 19:12:51 <gwolf> vorlon: ...after all, we have meddled quite a bit with meeting times. We don't have perfect meeting times. 19:12:55 <vorlon> gaudenz: doodle polls don't facilitate this very well 19:13:17 <gaudenz> vorlon: it nees human judgement anyway. 19:13:23 <vorlon> gwolf: well, I wonder if we should be thinking about increasing the frequency of the meetings as we approach? 19:13:45 <vorlon> or if they're really just a safety net anyway and most business should be organized via list etc. 19:13:55 <gwolf> vorlon: yes, that would increase the frequency 19:14:05 <gwolf> and yes, I think it's time to (a bit at least) increase them 19:14:14 <moray> vorlon: normally it increase gradually, sure 19:14:16 <gwolf> even more if meetings are short and swift :) 19:14:26 <moray> 4 weeks -> 2 weeks -> 1 week -> PANIC 19:14:41 <vorlon> ok, so maybe once every 3 weeks? Starting perhaps June 3? 19:14:47 <vorlon> I can't do a meeting in two weeks either 19:14:52 <vorlon> I'll be sunning myself in Malta 19:14:54 <gwolf> then June 3 19:14:56 <vorlon> er, I mean working 19:15:06 <gwolf> your call, I'd say 19:15:10 <moray> vorlon: oh, you're off to Malta? I was there earlier this year for a holiday :) 19:15:22 <gwolf> Or if you prefer to test your laptop's display under the sun rays...? 19:15:31 <vorlon> #agreed next IRC meeting, Tuesday June 3 @ 1830 UTC 19:15:54 <vorlon> moray: it is horribly inconvenient to actually get to Malta from Portland :) 19:16:10 <moray> haha, sure 19:16:27 <moray> Well, you could move to a more sensible location, but preferably after DC14 :) 19:16:49 <vorlon> psh 19:17:13 <gwolf> I guess Portland is among the best connected places to East Asia... 19:17:20 <vorlon> n0rman: sorry, as to your question: what kind of summit access do you need? 19:18:47 <vorlon> n0rman: I've added you now to the 'FrontDesk' group in summit, hopefully that gives you what you needed 19:19:01 <vorlon> but if it doesn't (since I don't know what kinds of requests are coming in), please let me know 19:19:31 <n0rman> vorlon: there are some people asking for an email change, people can do that? or just admins? 19:19:46 <vorlon> n0rman: they can do that directly 19:20:55 <vorlon> anything else, or shall we call the meeting? 19:20:57 <moray> #topic Next meeting 19:21:02 <moray> Did we have a conclusion on a time/date? 19:21:08 <vorlon> 12:17 < vorlon> #agreed next IRC meeting, Tuesday June 3 @ 1830 UTC 19:21:11 <vorlon> apparently :) 19:21:16 <moray> great 19:21:23 <moray> So I think we're done 19:21:40 <faw> moray, vorlon, we don't have a lot of volunteers so far (Bursaries), I'm planning on doing a call for "last year volunteers", to get some more people on-board. 19:21:58 <faw> Sorry, I couldn't stop earlier, was in a meeting :-( 19:22:02 <vorlon> faw: oh? I saw quite a few volunteers, but maybe some of those mails didn't go to the right list 19:22:03 <moray> faw: ok. some others (maybe even me...) would volunteer if you really are short of people 19:22:29 <vorlon> there seem to be 8 volunteers as of right now 19:22:35 <vorlon> (http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/thread/20140513.112009.7598a1df.en.html) 19:22:38 <moray> that already sounds a reasonable number 19:23:19 <faw> vorlon, hmmmm... oh, emails I didn't saw in the last few hours... it seems we are on track :) 19:23:37 <moray> ah, ok :) 19:23:42 <vorlon> ok cool 19:24:34 <moray> ok, so thanks everyone 19:24:44 <moray> (well, more those who attended than others reading the log :p ) 19:24:54 * gwolf flees 19:24:56 <moray> #endmeeting