17:59:37 #startmeeting 17:59:37 Meeting started Tue Jul 16 17:59:37 2013 UTC. The chair is nattie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:59:37 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 17:59:53 #topic team roundtable 18:00:06 * h01ger bows to nattie 18:00:11 #topic team roundtable - Finance and Sponsorship status 18:00:26 only on mobile. so i'm a bit slow. 18:00:29 Sponsorship is stable at CHF 161k. 18:00:30 hug, rafw ^^ 18:01:01 All sponsors invoiced. Last sponsors paying last bills. 18:01:07 invoices for accom/food for 70k sent 18:01:14 40k already paid 18:01:33 which is more than planned 18:01:49 hi 18:01:51 and the volunteet budget is also not used up yet 18:02:08 hug: planed the tototal or that people paid so early? 18:02:21 actually both 18:02:38 :-) 18:02:52 anything more for sponsorship? 18:03:03 this means we currently have a big surplus. 18:03:04 nattie: not yet. 18:03:07 #topic team roundtable - Registration 18:03:15 We have https://penta.debconf.org/stats/only-reconfirmed/registration-data.txt 18:03:20 hug: how much surplus do we have? 18:03:22 one volunteer costs us around chf 600 18:03:35 we also have late coming sponsorship requests, eg one video team member, who did lots of work in last years 18:03:46 (will give name via /msg on request) 18:03:50 if we don't calculate the volunteers we have 30k 18:03:51 Mails are comming to registration@. We have few beds free 18:04:26 cate: Isn't that a problem if we get more volunteers? 18:04:31 cate: we still have quite some communal accomodation, don't we? 18:04:37 questions? 18:04:38 we're offering upgrades, and people generally seem to be either "yes, please!" or "actually, can i bring my tent?" 18:04:41 hug: 30k surplus that is, right? 18:04:46 XTaran: on communal accomodation no 18:04:51 cate: Ah, good. 18:05:06 yes, if we don't add more sponsored people. 18:05:07 DebCamp: the communal accomodation is nearly empty 18:05:24 cate, so its single rooms after all? ;) 18:05:39 * h01ger hides a bit 18:05:55 * nattie spots h01ger because of his hair 18:06:02 h01ger: not rally, but less people than some other rooms ;-) 18:06:03 anything else for registration for the moment? 18:06:18 Should DebCamp be more prominently promoted? 18:06:32 cate: So the communal accomodation is the new single room? ;-) 18:06:36 If we will end up with a mostly-empty DebCamp, it will become an expensive set of days 18:06:43 nattie, pfft 18:06:44 (then again, it's quite late to do travel plans) 18:06:45 folks, stay focused, please 18:06:49 I think we have 40 people in DC 18:07:03 https://penta.debconf.org/stats/only-reconfirmed/rooms-by-date-2.txt 18:07:04 cate: Do you remember +- how many of them are orga? 18:07:15 cate: just an idea, I'd like to offer a free night from friday to saturday for those volunteers that can help with talk room setup. How much space do we have? 18:07:29 only, cool. so the fears of DC going overboard have not become true.. 18:07:43 h01ger: to many campers! 18:07:50 * h01ger likes gaudenz idea 18:07:53 Because I fear a bit that we don't have enough people to help on saturday to setup everything. 18:08:10 because people arriving on saturday will mostly arrive too late. 18:08:17 gaudenz: is that something penta has to deal with, or more in the realm of front desk? 18:08:18 gaudenz: for me it is ok 18:08:40 if we're offering people free nights, do we just adjust their dates manually, i mean? 18:08:47 It's more that we have to fit these people into debcamp accommodation as we don't have the full le camp for that night. 18:09:08 nattie: I think that's the way to do it technically in penta. 18:09:17 can we agree we generally want to do this and leave the details for after/outside the meeting?! 18:09:20 what kind of numbers are we talking, anyway? 10, 20? 18:09:29 fair enough 18:09:31 <10 i guess, rather 5 18:09:36 last call for registration questions 18:09:45 I'd be surprised by more than 10, certainly not more than 20. 18:10:05 we can have 30-40 people more 18:10:09 #topic team roundtable - talks 18:10:10 #agreed offer a free night from friday to saturday for those volunteers that can help with setup. 18:10:28 (not sure if my #agreed worked. nattie,please do "#save" so we can check...) 18:10:33 #save 18:10:37 thx 18:10:54 #agreed offer a free night from friday to saturday for those volunteers that can help with setup. 18:11:00 i'll put it in for good measure 18:11:05 right. talks. tiago? 18:11:10 #info #agreed offer a free night from friday to saturday for those volunteers that can help with setup. 18:11:12 talks: https://penta.debconf.org/stats/dc13-talks-data.txt 18:11:25 * gwolf has been mostly missing (well, after all, I *did* say I would be on VAC... And you know, network access in Canada is not as good as at home ;-) ) 18:11:32 but tiago has put up a *LOT* of work in this regard 18:11:41 (and pressured me during my brief connection times) 18:11:44 not much to say about talks, everything is ok 18:11:49 ...So there is a published pre-schedule 18:11:53 oh, there he is :) 18:11:58 * h01ger cheers tiago - indeed, happy to see a schedule a month in advance. wh00t. 18:12:11 we see, we appreciate! yay 18:12:18 tiago just sent a preliminary program to speakers 18:12:19 tiago: Did you get Ganneff to publish the non-authenticated scheudle which was b0rken? 18:12:22 Ganneff has setup the static html pages auto-generating.... 18:12:29 perfect! 18:12:56 https://penta.debconf.org/penta/schedule/dc13 18:13:03 three cheers for tiago's hard work! anything else for talks? 18:13:14 ah 18:13:17 we need an announcement 18:13:18 tiago: is that ready to be linked from the website? 18:13:21 blog post? 18:13:26 Or would you prefer to wait a bit? 18:13:39 aren't there a few last-minute tweaks going on? 18:13:44 gaudenz, i'll ping you in the right time 18:13:53 we're doing last adjustments based in requests 18:13:56 a few 18:14:00 #agreed schedule will be announced shortly 18:14:07 one or two days we have it ready to be announced 18:14:08 #info preliminary schedule is already up 18:14:17 that's all i think 18:14:18 last call for talks 18:14:19 cool 18:14:26 #topic team roundtable - network 18:14:28 Less from the network and more from our local server infrastructure during DC13 18:14:31 TK won't sponsor hardware this year, and they told one of us 4 months after the request while the recipient was on holidays. So we actually noticed it just last week... 18:14:39 #topic team roundtable - network and servers 18:15:03 Luckily our ($WORK) local hardware supplier offered us two big servers for DC13. 18:15:23 I'll add them to the infrastructure sponsors on the website after the meeting. 18:15:36 Work on network will continue afterwards. :) 18:16:05 any other news? 18:16:10 Details how we use them will be discussed by h01ger and me in the week before DebCamp 18:16:14 nattie: Nope. That's it for today. 18:16:18 thanks :) 18:16:23 #topic team roundtable - video 18:16:38 * h01ger thanks XTaran for all his work 18:16:56 as he said, we will meet before debcamp and prepare and discuss stuff in person 18:17:11 video team still planing for 2 rooms. 18:17:20 no further news. next, please 18:17:25 I reserved the two audiosystems Le Camp has, both are with XLR, one has a mixer, the other has portable microphones, so audio should be good for 2 rooms too. 18:17:30 #info two rooms with video 18:17:37 cool, thanks, gaudenz! 18:17:51 #info sound will also be good in these rooms 18:17:55 I also reserved their two projectors, so we have projectors for the talk rooms, 2 more would be cool for the bof rooms. 18:18:28 ok. is that all? 18:18:29 neato 18:18:46 gaudenz, else ask on debconf-discuss@ for people to bring projectors? 18:19:06 #topic team roundtable - bar 18:19:10 I sent an update on the list today 18:19:15 any news on the bar? 18:19:20 heiserhorn: *nods* saw it 18:19:27 I think we need an announcement for volounteers 18:19:39 #info heiserhorn sent an update about the bar to the -team list 18:19:40 for the moment we are only 4 ppl 18:19:47 #info more bar volunteers are needed 18:19:48 heiserhorn, combine this with the inventory/price announcement next week? 18:19:49 heiserhorn: yes now that camping is sorted this is next on my todo list. 18:20:08 (the call for volunteers) 18:20:11 h01ger: yes that is my idea 18:20:15 h01ger: yes 18:20:16 :) 18:20:24 #agreed call for bar volunteers to be combined with inventory/price announcement 18:20:25 and set up a wiki page to subscribe 18:20:35 #save 18:20:46 heiserhorn: I'd prefer to look for volunteers for all areas, not just the bar. 18:20:58 I'd avoid that different teams compete for volunteers. 18:21:15 gaudenz: oh, i'm sure various teams will put out announcements, and people can choose as they wish 18:21:22 gaudenz: fine for me, we will need a coordinated call 18:21:28 We also need volunteers for evening dishwashing, front-desk, talkmeister, .. 18:21:47 it won't hurt to mention it in the announcement that volunteers are needed 18:21:57 anything else for the bar? 18:21:59 nattie: If possible I'd like to avoid exactly that. 18:22:08 nattie: nope 18:22:09 ok 18:22:14 #topic debian day 18:22:15 voluneets for all areas is better indeed. this video team also still needs helping hands... (will still do an extra call for those hands, but there should be a notion that any volunteer can+should help everywhere where needed) 18:22:19 I suggested to cancel debian day because I have no time to allocate to this project. Also I think that debian day is different for gaudenz h01ger or me. I am not sure we talk about the same think. 18:22:57 FWIW after private discussions I share rafw's opinion 18:23:10 * h01ger thinks we must not let this opportunity pass. which means: somehow combinding debianday, party + 20th birthday 18:23:25 I already said I agreed with cancelling a separate Debian Day. 18:23:28 rafw, gismo: can you explain reasons? 18:23:41 we could do a big party in Le Camp and invit people. 18:23:42 On the other hand, I have said for a long time I think we should try to combine something with the birthday. 18:23:54 h01ger: sure 18:23:55 h01ger: Debian Day, as far as I witnessed them, is not the Debian Day we are organizing 18:24:12 rafw, yeah. and call that and some talks "debian day" 18:24:15 The ocassion is very good, but we must focus it quite differently from "historic" DebianDays 18:24:20 we could do a big party in Le Camp and invit people. 18:24:25 as they have never been a huge success (and that'd be an overstatement) 18:24:37 A DebParty would be very nice to have 18:24:56 moray_: we actually discussed that in the last F2F meeting 18:25:01 gwolf: what, you claim that a giant roomful of RS officials isn't a huge success?! ;) 18:25:02 h01ger: Debian Day, as far as I witnessed them, is not the Debian Day we are organizing - häh? you ment: is not the day you want to organize? i'd agree with that, we shoudl do things differently 18:25:15 * gaudenz prefers the party at le camp over a debian day somewhere else with our current resources. 18:25:17 h01ger: is it possible to organize a party connected to other debian parties? 18:25:22 so do we agree that we are changing the format of debian day? 18:25:24 h01ger: no, it is not what I would call "Debian Day as part of DebConf" 18:25:43 well, first we targeted general people, second we have been told to target IT professional. Now, I suggested to cancel the event in Neuchâtel. 18:25:57 h01ger: then, effectively, I am no interest in organizing a party (and I stated that in the last F2F meeting, and there is already another team for that) 18:26:18 h01ger: s/I am no/I have no/ ;-) 18:26:40 * h01ger thinks of "a trick" if you want to call it that: select some "better talks" and/or ones better suited for a broad audience (during a day) _and_ have a party. _label_ both, together as "debianday celebrating debians 20th birthday" (plus party) 18:26:53 I'd prefer to keep debian day (if held) separate from a party. 18:27:00 tl;dr;: put party + talks for everyone under _one label_ 18:27:03 h01ger: yes 18:27:04 h01ger: yes, I think we need also to invite SI people to talks 18:27:05 and let rafw organize a great party :-) 18:27:16 h01ger: also in this case it is not a problem if we don't get many additional people coming to it 18:27:27 * gaudenz is not sure if we should put even more load on rafw 18:27:28 h01ger: whereas a separate debian day can be a big waste of effort 18:27:28 * h01ger thinks we should really mostly let other people organize the party, so that we can focus on all the rest. better for us and the party :) 18:27:29 JFTR: are we sure we can organize *public* events in LeCamp? 18:27:41 hug: :) 18:27:44 so, just before i put this in - we are planning to cancel the even in neuchatel, and putting talks and a celebration on as "debian day" at le camp? 18:27:49 cate: "SI"? 18:27:51 well, it could all be on friday the 16th IMO 18:28:04 or party on friday, public talks on saturday, due to weekend 18:28:07 nattie: yes 18:28:14 XTaran: one sponsor, AFAI understood from previous discussion. Not sure how it spells 18:28:27 cate: Ah, ok 18:28:48 #agreed the proposed "debian day" even in neuchatel is cancelled 18:29:02 #agreed a new proposal for debian day is to combine talks and a celebration at le camp 18:29:05 XTaran: schweizerische informatik gesellschaft www.s-i.ch 18:29:06 good? 18:29:07 moray_, yes, we need to make a plan which will also work if only 10-20 external people come - which i think is on the realistic lower end, with the realistic high end maybe being 42 extra people 18:29:22 gaudenz: Ah, like GI in Germany. :) 18:29:25 nattie, looks right to me :) 18:29:33 anything else about debian day for the moment? 18:29:37 yes 18:29:42 ok, proceed 18:29:51 16 or 17th 18:29:58 the actual birthday is 16th 18:29:59 * gaudenz fears that the party will also not magically happen, who is interested in helping organize the party? 18:30:04 the official birthday is the 16th, but that doesnt mean we have to celebrate on that day 18:30:07 i think the 17th will be stressful as that's the last day 18:30:20 we could easily move the offfical party to the 17th, hoping for more external people 18:30:22 * gaudenz prefers the friday for the party 18:30:29 I think madduck was interested in organizing it. 18:30:34 h01ger: if party is on friday, people that stay for the party won't come on Saturday 18:30:35 h01ger: after the closing ceremony? 18:30:36 yeah, 16th sounds better than 17th I think 18:30:37 I think friday evening is fine for external people. 18:30:38 * XTaran prefers Friday evening, too. 18:30:41 * cate too. I would also help organizing the party 18:30:45 gaudenz, as said: i think we should ask for party organizers on -discuss and -project 18:30:50 I prefere friday. is less close to the end of dc13 18:30:52 i also prefer friday evening 18:30:55 I think we will get party volunteers a lot more easily than dishwashing ones :) 18:30:56 h01ger: IMO the party should close the public-minded talks if at all 18:31:03 * XTaran thinks more people would come on Friday evening, thinking of it as "Usgang" 18:31:06 friday evening is fine for external people for party 18:31:11 but for attending takls in the day? 18:31:12 But I'm not sure if a set of talks is... really interesting for $world 18:31:26 depending on what kind of party we want, we have to organize this before debconf. 18:31:38 h01ger: as you said, we shouldn't expect/plan for a huge number. Friday is better for some people anyway 18:31:45 and if we want external people, we have to advertize it soon. 18:31:56 (even for the day I mean: some people are busy with family commitments on a Saturday, etc.) 18:32:01 Shall we invite our sponsors as well ? 18:32:19 gaudenz: We should at least announce it on community@l.d.c 18:32:26 gwolf, i believe the systemd talk is interesting for quite some people. freedombox too. blah. 18:32:28 rafw: I think this depends on the event. 18:32:41 rafw: good idea (inviting sponsors) 18:32:51 h01ger: Yes. Blah. But that's not DebianDay-like 18:32:54 i prefer friday strongly - by saturday evening we'll be busy thinking about teardown 18:33:07 those are DebConf talks by people outside the project 18:33:08 rafw: would you organize the party? 18:33:20 h01ger: systemd could end in a mud battle. ;-) 18:33:23 Also... I don't like the idea of telling tiago, "nice schedule, now redo it from scratch" 18:33:29 nope, i cannot, Must focus on daytrip. 18:33:32 h01ger: freedombox is definitely a very good target 18:33:39 +1 18:33:47 gwolf, /me cries. really, i'm so saddened by your (plural) lack of immagination esp. about changing debianday for the better... lets just say it makes me wanna cry 18:34:02 h01ger: I have long advocated disappearing DebianDay 18:34:09 h01ger: would you help me organizing the party? 18:34:12 h01ger: I see it as a time sink 18:34:19 gwolf, yeah. that saddens me 18:34:21 A party is due and am sure that can be important 18:34:28 But I would not tie it to a set of talks 18:34:37 and even less on the *next* day 18:34:41 party = party plus talks if we want, how exactly would be up to us. 18:34:52 If at all... I'd put some nice, general-minded talks on the evening before the party 18:35:03 gaudenz, yes, i would send a mail to -discuss and -project and ask for people to do it as i'm too busy to play a key role in that. and i'd happily do stuff *at* the party. 18:35:08 gwolf: I thought that was what was suggested above. 18:35:13 should we maybe hold off on this for a moment, discuss more out of the meeting, and bring the results to the next meeting? 18:35:24 moray_: what was suggested as I read was to have the party on Friday and the talks on Saturday 18:35:24 Friday afternoon talks, then eat something and party! 18:35:26 I wouldn't touch the debconf talks schedule .... 18:35:29 gwolf, i think the idea is to have these "debianday"like talks on friday, not saturday 18:35:40 gwolf: I didn't understand that anyone wanted that. 18:35:43 so people can come early to the party and get some talks 18:35:50 h01ger: ok, that's a bit better, so I read wrong the Saturday thing 18:35:55 * gaudenz is not sure if organizing this completely outside of debconf-team will not end in more work for us in the end. 18:36:03 though there is dinner in between, which probably then should open to outside people 18:36:06 But anyway, please listen to tiago 18:36:11 gaudenz: outsourcing organisation is a bad idea. 18:36:35 I don't think it's fair to change their work so deeply after they put so much time in it 18:36:38 at least in certain instances 18:37:01 *and* there are some time constraints (i.e. h01ger says about the systemd talk - The author will only be some days with us) 18:37:02 we can even have a full room schedule on friday for debian day, and ask Debian people to add NEW talks, not to move the current ones 18:37:03 nattie: isn't that what I said? 18:37:09 gaudenz: IIRC on the first meeting of local team, there was a huge interest organizing parties ;-) 18:37:26 gaudenz: i was just agreeing with you 18:37:37 cate: I'm completely fine if less active people in the local team organize the party. 18:37:56 BoF room 1 is completely free on friday 18:38:13 I just think that looking for the main organizers on debconf-discuss won't work as expected. 18:38:20 gaudenz: so let one week to find extra volunteers for party (and a first program) ot be discussed next week 18:38:25 (sorry, on satuday, or friday afternoon) 18:38:38 Anyway... /me goes for lunch 18:38:42 o/ 18:38:45 I don't think talks are strictly necessary for a Debian Day, but at least one or two generic ones would be nice 18:38:50 sorry to leave the meeting midway through:( 18:39:09 there's already a community outreach track talk on friday late afternoon 18:39:11 gwolf, arepas! 18:39:19 I propose we find someone interested in working on this and delegate the task how to do party/debianday exactly. 18:39:24 yes 18:39:27 I'm willing to help, but not alone. 18:39:32 hopefully there will be more to report next week 18:39:32 tiago: nah, that requires me to go 3000Km further South :) 18:39:37 any more comments before i change the topic? 18:40:14 nattie: next topic 18:40:15 nattie, anything decided about debian day? 18:40:39 gaudenz, debconf-discuss is not where the main organizers hang out. these are on debconf-team. -discuss is this place for everybody. 18:40:41 gwolf, ah, what a great vacation 18:40:49 tiago: er... tbd. i'll wait out more details at the next meeting 18:41:10 nattie: can you summarize what we agree upon (=party on friday, maybe talks) 18:41:11 gaudenz, oh, you probably ment "main party organizers"... (not "main organizers"...) 18:41:30 :) o/ 18:41:31 h01ger: exactly 18:41:31 could we decide about touching or not schedule? 18:41:40 #agreed debian day will be held friday 16 august, with a party in the evening possibly preceded by some talks 18:41:43 right 18:41:48 #topic banners 18:41:51 tiago: how bad would it be to change the schedule from your pov? 18:41:54 who's dealing with banners? 18:41:55 I'm still working on it and can't keep working if it risks to be changed 18:42:01 nattie: OdyX IIRC 18:42:18 nattie: Or wait, what kind of banners? 18:42:19 XTaran: OdyX's not here, man 18:42:20 how many banners do we need? 18:42:25 tiago: we can discuss that after the meeting. 18:42:30 we don't need many. two at most? 18:42:37 no, three 18:42:38 gaudenz, too bad, it's a lof of work, too many variable, requests etc etc, each change implies in many changes 18:42:39 nattie: more i think 18:42:46 gaudenz, ok 18:42:49 nattie: For the talk stages? 18:42:50 I propose to skip banners 18:42:58 we promised them to sponsors, surely? 18:42:59 * h01ger notes we havent discussed about the dinner constraints on the 16th, but i guess thats fine for next week when some more people have realized ;-p 18:43:07 ok, one at le camp entrance, one at fd, one at each of the stages? 18:43:20 the stages are the only ones that matter 18:43:27 moray_: +1 18:43:34 others aren't really that helpful/necessary, unless we now promised those too 18:43:36 ok, we're fluctuating between 2 and 4 18:43:37 gaudenz: +1 18:43:46 on the other places, a generic Debian flags is enought 18:43:49 ok. two are absolutely necessary 18:43:50 yeah 18:43:57 cate: well, the whole site is Debian anyway 18:44:00 cate: OdyX is caring about flags. 18:44:10 nattie: We have flags for visibility from the outside. 18:44:13 +will 18:44:22 e)Logo on banner in conference lobby (G/P) 18:44:56 so minimum is 4 banners (2 talks room + 2 in conferenc lobby) 18:45:15 nattie: So forget the thing about banners and OdyX. I mixed it up with the flags he plans to order or has ordered 18:45:16 rafw: why 2 for the lobby? 18:45:16 DO we have a conference lobby? 18:45:29 i didn't realise we had one 18:45:35 cate: not really, but we can just define that the server room is the conference lobby ;-) 18:45:40 cate: Maybe "vielle poste"? 18:45:45 hey, front desk likes banners 18:46:20 nattie: you get only the piraten flags of h01ger 18:46:33 next topic? 18:46:43 I propose to have 3 banners, 1 for each talk room and 1 in a central location (like front desk, or outside in the middle of le camp. 18:46:46 gaudenz: I think we should put a few banners arround as described in our sponsorship brochure. One is ok. 18:47:10 rafw: banners or posters? 18:47:13 Front desk would be good for a banner, yes. 18:47:14 nattie: can you info or agreed 3 banners? 18:47:27 #agreed we will have 3 banners 18:47:44 cate: banner. 18:48:11 anything else about banners? small details should be discussed outside and summarised next week 18:48:16 we also have one nice wheezy banner from the events team (but we surely need dc13 banners too) 18:48:30 nattie: We don't have someone ordering them yet, right? 18:48:33 next please 18:48:38 XTaran, seems right, bah 18:48:42 i thought we said that was OdyX 18:48:49 I'm sure we'll have the regular "Debian" banner etc. brought too 18:48:54 he's not here today, we can volunteer him ;) 18:48:55 nattie: Sorry, my fault. I mixed it up with flags 18:48:59 ok 18:49:00 h01ger: two wheezy/inksplat if don brings his 18:49:03 moray_, but we need ones with dc13+logos 18:49:03 #topic daytrip 18:49:18 gismo, did you ask him? for optics it would be great :) 18:49:19 moray_: the Events team has two of them and Debian France 3 more IIRC 18:49:21 h01ger: yes, as above we need the ones we promised to sponsors. but not lots of extra ones printed for dc13 18:49:32 h01ger: I asked nothing, but I can do 18:49:49 Daytrip is on his way. I have send a first program to the list. 18:49:55 moray_, if we need to print anyway, we can as well add the dc13 logo and not just the sponsors logos 18:50:04 gismo, please do + thanks 18:50:05 cate: is don coming? 18:50:06 I will work tomorrow on it, probably full day. 18:50:08 hello? i've changed the topic 18:50:19 rafw, do you need input from that mail? 18:50:28 i seem to recall you do and it was urgent.. 18:50:30 gismo: it seems no 18:50:41 yes, can you confirm that it is what you want ? 18:50:45 h01ger: I can bikeshed more back, but I don't think we're disagreeing on anything 18:50:48 rafw: do you need additional money than what's in the budget now? 18:50:53 kids, please keep nattie a happy chair and stay on topic 18:51:04 h01ger: ++2 18:51:19 hug: i think it will be fine as long as we don't eat on the boat. 18:51:24 * h01ger looks up rafws mail about daytrip 18:51:34 or shall we move on, everything clear(ed) about daytrip? 18:51:51 rafw: If we need some more money I think we have it, as said earlier. 18:52:12 anything more for daytrip that can't wait until next week? 18:52:13 * gaudenz thinks that the daytrip idea is fine 18:52:19 next topic then? 18:52:26 cool - we'll have some more details next time 18:52:27 I'd agree with the previous post that more options makes things difficult, but I also don't want to try to interfere as I'm sure a good solution can be found 18:52:31 * h01ger would like to close in 7m, its summer and still nice outside 18:52:32 ok will carry on that way. 18:52:35 #topic dishwashing and cleaning 18:52:43 question one: are the contracts signed? 18:53:18 yes and no: We have signed a contract with 3 employees for dishwashing. 18:53:19 afaik the dishwashing contract is signed. 18:53:20 anything we need to discuss here or is all clean and tidy and on its way and we can move on? 18:53:32 not for the cleaning company. 18:53:45 #info dishwashing contract is signed: 3 employees 18:53:46 whats holding back cleaning? 18:53:49 h01ger: I think we should at least delegate the question about the cleaning frequency to rafw. 18:53:52 #info cleaning contract is not yet signed 18:54:09 ok, next week we can catch up about cleaning 18:54:16 h01ger: There will be not contract. 18:54:19