17:06:08 #startmeeting 17:06:13 Meeting started Tue Sep 18 17:06:08 2012 UTC. The chair is gaudenz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:06:13 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 17:06:26 who will write notes? 17:06:35 #info agenda is at http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf13/Meetings/2012091 17:07:13 #info agenda is at http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf13/Meetings/20120918 ('8' missed at the end) 17:07:17 I tried to give the agenda some structure and put names on the agenda points where I thought some is already responsible 17:07:26 gwolf: thanks 17:07:37 #topic notes 17:07:47 who is going to take notes? 17:08:08 hm, I see someone has edited that to "Max 1.5h" now -- I'm also disappearing after an hour 17:08:27 max 1.5h is just wrong 17:08:42 any volunteers for notes? Otherwise we just have the Meetbot minutes 17:08:52 I'm away @18h UTC. 17:09:03 MB is okay for me. Go ahead 17:09:03 That's also fairly unreadable to me as an agenda, it looks like notes for individual 17:09:29 * OdyX notes that anyone can edit it before the meeting starts and proceeds. 17:09:35 #topic meeting duration 17:09:53 I proposed 1.5h because I think 1h is not enough. 17:10:10 lets go straight to the meeting, and try to do it as fast as possible 17:10:13 IMO 90 minutes with a break are reasonable. But I concur that for today this wont work. 17:10:22 gaudenz, IME meeting will mostly last longer then planned. thus if you plan 1.5h it will become 2h 17:10:23 if we cannot make it in 1h, we'll overflow a bit 17:10:29 #agreed 1h meeting 17:10:41 h01ger: IMO this is the wrong approach. 17:10:50 #topic DC12 final report 17:11:09 * OdyX apologies for his duty, it's on the TODO list here. 17:11:20 http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf12/FinalReport 17:11:25 Any .ni people around? 17:11:26 that has the missing parts highlighted 17:11:42 I have been pestered^Wcontacted by xamanu lately 17:11:43 * h01ger has "review" of videoteam article on his agenda for the coming weekend 17:11:44 it's not especially .ni parts that are missing 17:11:46 i'm still tardy, despite thinking i'd be done by last week. real life is bad :( 17:11:51 he has done a good work getting me to write ;-) 17:11:52 gaudenz: I'm here 17:12:46 Is there anything that needs discussion or does this just need work to be done? 17:12:49 OdyX: I had offered xamanu to do the LaTeX layout as I did last year... But your LaTeX skills are greatly better than mine 17:12:59 OdyX: would you mind if I volunteered you for that? :) 17:13:19 xamanu: asked me to write the budget part, but those past weeks I'd been sick, I'll try to do it this week 17:13:22 gaudenz, /me thinks it just needs to get done 17:13:28 gaudenz: it basically needs to be done. FAST. because we have a committment to one of the sponsors to give them the results (and translated to Spanish :-P ) 17:13:34 IMO we should list the missing tasks and move on 17:14:15 Do we have a responsible for this who could kick people not doing their promised work? 17:14:34 gaudenz: is xamanu the one in charge 17:14:34 * h01ger thinks xamanu is doing this well 17:14:47 yes, and more subtly than kicking 17:14:56 so which articles are missing? 17:15:00 #action the bold chapters in http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf12/FinalReport need to be written FAST NOW! 17:15:12 we apparently lack volunteers for "daytrip", "credits" and photo collection 17:15:17 #info we promised final report to a sponsor by $date (end of september, iirc) 17:15:24 #info we apparently lack volunteers for "daytrip", "credits" and photo collection 17:15:33 moray: ...and "photo collection" is a very heavy task 17:15:42 asi it implies getting the right photo for each piece 17:15:47 and +- laying it out (?) 17:15:48 and asking permissions 17:15:51 #todo OdyX handles the Latex layouting, gwolf takes his texts off. 17:16:24 OdyX: \o/ 17:16:25 gaudenz, can you please say "#save" 17:16:32 #save 17:16:43 I think we can move on, right? 17:16:52 please! 17:16:59 #topic Penta replacement 17:17:05 gwolf: 17:17:06 * pocock would volunteer for the daytrip report 17:17:19 #info #todo OdyX handles the Latex layouting, gwolf takes his texts off. 17:17:25 #todo doesnt work (at least from non chairs) 17:17:38 #todo pocock writes the daytrip report 17:17:47 but not in Spanish 17:17:50 #chair h01ger 17:17:50 Current chairs: gaudenz h01ger 17:17:59 #save 17:18:05 ok 17:18:18 So I have not done _too_ much on this regard, but I managed to get a Frab install done 17:18:23 * h01ger is going to suggest a frab-hacking event at the cccolonge, they wanted to learn some debian packaging tricks and i want to trick them into writing a video controller together. 17:18:35 in october or november 17:18:35 (this, by looking at it with Ruby eyes instead of Debian eyes... Can talk about that after the meeting) 17:18:48 to have a chance to have this working by end of december... 17:19:01 I have just checked it is according with the times, as Penta was: Penta has a very heavy interface... whereas Frab... is so clean and void it makes me feel lonely ;-) 17:19:15 But at least I can now say I can hack on it 17:19:26 * h01ger will write a proper mail (ie also with infos from meeting at froscon) about this RSN 17:19:45 Anyone working on zookepr 17:19:48 hey there (sorry for being late, traffic jam for the last tram in Geneva) 17:19:52 The big "but" is that... I know we will deviate quite a bit from upstream. If not for anything else, because we will add fields, and it's not meant to be so flexible 17:20:06 (of course, we will also add controllers... but that's not so hard to merge in) 17:20:27 ...I can set a GitHub fork so that we can more easily sync, or at least compare progress... 17:20:28 gwolf, we should handle this via plugins 17:20:41 and not (permanently) fork 17:20:42 but I REALLY don't want to do it as it was done in Penta, where everything was set on a differnt namespace 17:20:50 h01ger: It is hellish. 17:20:57 gwolf: thanks I think we can discuss the details after the meeting. Nice to see progress 17:21:07 * h01ger agrees with gaudenz 17:21:10 gaudenz: /me agrees 17:21:26 so noone looking into zookeeper? 17:21:35 #info gwolf is working on frab: timeframe end of year 17:21:46 I have heard of people offering to set up zookeepr's instances, but nothing tangible so far 17:21:52 h01ger: I think Hydroxide is, but he is not present atm 17:22:03 gwolf, did you subscribe to the frab mailinglist? 17:22:08 #info gwolf should prepare a +-report on the main points that need work to get frab to become a penta replacement 17:22:08 #help we need someone to investigate zookeepr 17:22:10 h01ger: nope 17:22:15 gwolf: darst has installed a vm for zookeepr 17:22:22 I will install the software this weekend 17:22:26 ana: ok, thanks :) 17:22:27 (will) 17:22:33 everyone is invited to use it 17:22:35 darst: you said you were installing it :D 17:22:47 #action darst and ana will look into zookepr 17:22:48 (who wants to play with it) 17:22:53 #save 17:23:06 frab@librelist.com is the frab mailinglist - just send any mail to it to subscribe (that mail wont be relayed to the list) 17:23:17 next? 17:23:20 I think we can move on, 17:23:29 #topic Resource access 17:23:51 There was no opposition to http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/Resources 17:24:09 * h01ger loads that wiki pafe 17:24:21 Would be nice if some admin could implement this by giving me or any other DD from the swiss team admin access. 17:25:25 I also volunteer to do an account cleanup by pinging anyone that did not commit in the last 12 months. If they still want access no problem otherwise remove them. 17:25:28 gaudenz, prod me tomorrow, i can do 17:25:37 h01ger: thanks 17:25:46 anyone else has something to say about this? 17:25:46 and yay for account cleanup/review - please do 17:26:02 #topic meeting schedule 17:26:29 there were varying opinions about the different proposals after the last meeting. 17:26:53 I think we should agree on some schedule to not have to do a Doodle poll for each meeting. 17:27:15 considering we only have 34min left, should we move this discussion to the list / after the meeting? 17:27:20 * h01ger is for every 4 weeks 17:27:26 or rather, montly 17:27:35 not Tuesday 17:27:36 move the discussion on the list 17:27:41 to the list, agree 17:27:49 I can take care. 17:28:08 #info we will discuss "meeting schedule" on the list 17:28:12 #action gaudenz starts discussion on list about meeting schedule (day / hour) 17:28:33 #topic fundraising / sponsoring brochure / sponsor levels 17:28:45 gismo your turn 17:28:54 gaudenz: mmm, OK 17:29:12 the sponsoring brochure is IMHO waiting on the sponsor levels 17:29:27 imho the levels are ready 17:29:31 IMO the current proposed levels are fine 17:29:52 other opinions? 17:29:55 And they have not been significatively modified for some time already 17:30:03 We can always bikeshed on them 17:30:12 right, bikeshedding in this meeting isn't useful 17:30:19 #agreed current sponsoring levels in the brochure are OK 17:30:27 but someone should send "final suggestions" to the list probably 17:30:27 I had some comments on the list, about 10 days ago, about the platinum level 17:30:39 no more bikeshedding 17:30:41 * OdyX is working on making it even nicer, with a title page. 17:30:46 moray: do we need final suggestions? 17:30:49 we shouldnt really change levels we announced and gave out 17:30:54 moray: I repeatedly aksed for comments, I think any final suggestion is now over 17:30:54 gaudenz: I was only worried it's possible they've been edited *after* people agreed 17:31:01 * h01ger is with gismo 17:31:05 we can also have `add ons' 17:31:09 moray: I don't think so. 17:31:16 ok 17:31:19 pocock, yes, on an individual basis 17:31:21 fwiw, current levels are " <2'000 & 2'000 & 6'000 & 12'000 & 25'000" 17:31:37 in CHF, for " Supporter & Bronze & Silver & Gold & Platinum \\" 17:31:46 (the bit I was worried about changes in wasn't the numbers themselves but resulting benefits) 17:31:50 OdyX: is right ;-) 17:31:51 are the benefits also clear? 17:31:58 gismo: Do you want to discuss the subpoints (discount, CHF vs. EUR)? 17:32:05 if someone commits to 12k, they might still have 3,000 CHF in their community friendly budget for the year, and we should give them an option to sponsor a track (for 3,000 CHF) 17:32:24 pocock, if if if 17:32:29 gaudenz: I do not think there is any subpoint: we send the brochure with the straight level and then think about subpoints 17:32:41 do we have a list of such add-ons that sponsors purchased previously? 17:32:48 gaudenz: Swiss companis get the brochure in CHF, EU in EUR and others in USD 17:32:53 pocock, there is no "purchase" 17:32:57 right, fine details do not need to be in the brochure 17:33:08 gismo, with adjusted values? 17:33:10 and companies will expect individual negotiations anyway 17:33:13 gismo: I was refereing to agenda subpoints 17:33:25 I think you put them there, but I might be wrong. 17:33:34 is everybody who going to work on sponsors on the #debconf-sponsors channel? 17:33:44 * gismo has not checked the agenda since yesterday night 17:33:45 which is the channel were we agree on individual negotiations 17:34:01 Right, stipulating too detailedly the levels and side-benefits of extra bits is... too much IMO 17:34:06 h01ger: If you give me the right to invite people I can make sure. 17:34:09 CHF and EUR are locked, but USD floats, so does the brochure need to be changed every month? 17:34:29 gaudenz, can do, please prod me tomorrow too (me really needs to rest after the meeting) 17:34:45 there should be small print that the EUR and USD values are valid as of $date 17:34:46 h01ger: re adjusted values: I will send the final values for the 3 currencies and will wait for an ACK 17:34:53 we shouldnt have 3 currencies 17:35:00 or yes, just don't put them 17:35:05 h01ger: that is IMHO CHF is the only currency ;-) 17:35:10 we should have CHF and then people can convert 17:35:14 we can put EUR, because it is locked to CHF 17:35:15 I also think we should not put more than 1 currency. 17:35:25 Everything else can be done in the negotiations. 17:35:27 and then put fine print that says EUR rates are for convenience 17:35:32 #agreed <2'000 & 2'000 & 6'000 & 12'000 & 25'000" 17:35:37 pocock: no conversion in the brochure 17:35:40 i do also prefer only CHF 17:35:45 #agreed in CHF, for " Supporter & Bronze & Silver & Gold & Platinum \\" 17:35:53 so we agree on only CHF too 17:36:05 #agreed only CHF in brochure 17:36:14 CHF is better for the budget: but sponsors will need to think twice before signing a contract in CHF 17:36:15 ok we can move on? 17:36:23 go 17:36:24 are the benefits equally clear? 17:36:32 or can we sort those out on the list? 17:36:32 #topic VAT update 17:36:36 hug 17:36:39 a second please 17:36:44 h01ger: list please -- that's the bit I was expressing uncertainty about 17:36:59 There is no VAT for foreign companies sponsoring debconf 17:37:04 h01ger: I *hope* it's all fixed already, but I'd like a moment's chance for people to agree that it's fine 17:37:09 gismo, can you follow up the benefits on the list? (maybe its clear+final, i just dont know atm) 17:37:09 only for swiss, but they get it back.. 17:37:14 * gaudenz fears that if we go back to the list it will take another month to finish the brochure... 17:37:37 I think that was the VAT question on the list, correct? 17:37:40 h01ger: fine, but can we then have these levels done once and for all? There are at least 2 sponsors waiting for the brochure 17:37:40 #info sponsor benefits needs to be *finalized* on the list, we only agreed+finalized on the levels so far 17:37:45 gismo, yes 17:38:00 #info gismo will take take of finalizing levels on list 17:38:03 hug: thanks for confirming that, are there any restrictions though? 17:38:12 VAT now, sorry for the noise 17:38:42 #info There is no VAT for foreign companies sponsoring debconf only for swiss, but they get it back.. 17:38:42 pocock: VAT only needs to be paid for sales within Switzerland 17:38:49 so next topic? 17:39:12 gaudenz, i think the benefits can be finalized in 2 or 3 days. really. we were basically done. 17:39:14 #topic imagine DebConf13 with only 100k CHF budget 17:39:32 100k is still a lot more than we raised recently, of course 17:39:47 * pocock raised this topic on the list in another guise 17:39:52 current budget is 190k without travel sponsorship 17:39:57 what were the penalties (+dates) for dropping out of the le camp contract 17:39:58 ? 17:40:18 contract is not signed yet 17:40:21 This is still being finalized 17:40:22 ask everyone to `save' 1,000 CHF in their bank account, and if 190k comes from sponsors, people keep their money 17:40:38 moray suggested to set a date when we need to have collected some sum and if thats not met switch to some backup plan 17:40:56 h01ger: like this idea 17:41:16 I think it's too early to speak about backup plans, but we need to have some ideas. 17:41:17 even without a backup plan, it would be sensible to set a date when we decide that the budget will not work, if fundraising goes badly 17:41:18 based on the feedback about foundations and big company sponsors, I think at least 3 months is needed 17:41:19 gaudenz, hug: but from that proposal, how expensive would be canceling (that location) 2 or 3 month in advance? 17:41:25 just to remind thet if we cancell between 3 and 6 month prior DC13 we would have to pay 30% of the contract 17:41:47 heiserhorn: but it's not yet clear if this includes food, right? 17:41:52 so 31 January is the deadline? 17:41:53 and the contract is 70k? 17:41:57 or just 30% of 13*4880 17:42:16 gaudenz: exactly I am waiting confirmation for 30% of how much 17:43:00 next topic? (this is going nowhere (which is fine, imo, for now)) 17:43:12 One idea I would like people to think about is a 100 CHF registration fee for all participants to be waived on request if someone can not afford this at all. But I don't think we should discuss that now. 17:43:30 h01ger: shouldn't we set some date, even using the 6 month threshold? then there is a decision before we move on 17:43:31 The contract should be signed in 2-3 weeks (that's what we discussed with Le Camp) 17:43:34 63k is accomodation and 88k is food, but food is variable 17:43:39 gaudenz, i'm very much opposed to the idea 17:43:41 I think most people will actually save that amount by not haveing to buy food during 1-2 weeks. 17:43:46 it completly changes what debconf is 17:43:49 so the base amount to pay 30% on is the 63k? 17:43:54 or it includes food? 17:43:58 fwiw, I'm very much in favor of gaudenz's idea 17:44:10 h01ger: but it gives us about one more platinum sponsor. 17:44:11 pocock, i think this discussion is useless without the contract 17:44:18 worth of money 17:44:27 gwolf: I am waiting clarification from Le Camp 17:44:39 * gismo agress with h01ger about any registration fee 17:44:58 And the idea would be to lower or completely remove the fee if we have enough money. 17:45:03 registration fee puts me off, totally 17:45:04 but we could save far more by, say, shortening debcamp 17:45:12 if we are going for "unpleasant" options 17:45:13 * h01ger nods moray 17:45:18 well the current budget assumes 100k in sponsor money and the rest paid by attendees 17:45:19 I also don't like registration fees 17:45:28 we can try to get more people to become professional/corporate 17:45:31 I would prefer 100 CHF fee to shortening debcamp 17:45:34 by asking in a higher pitch 17:45:39 I'll put in the repository the translatd contract and it would be nice to know if we can sign it or there are major problems with it 17:45:50 dc13 will be the moneymoneymoney debconf already, even without taking money to enter. also its a downhill road i dont wanna go 17:45:51 but I'd really avoid setting a fixed entry fee 17:45:52 instead of going around with "if"s, can we decide on the last date before the backup plan? 17:46:25 It's just an idea. I think we should discuss backup plans next month. 17:46:26 gismo I would say 4 or 5 month 17:46:27 gismo: I think anything less than 3 months from today is too much pressure 17:46:35 gaudenz: in some degree, debcamp is only for some privileged people who can afford it. So i would prefer shortening debcamp 17:46:38 gismo, for that we need to know the penalties+dates from the contract 17:46:44 without it, we're discussion hot air 17:46:45 gismo: it would need to be e.g. "100k raised by 1 January or we cancel", not just a date 17:46:50 s/raised/promised/ 17:46:50 but 31 January is the hard deadline for Le Camp penalties 17:46:53 the question is how you want to split it between professional fees and general attendees 17:47:02 moray: I do not care what should be, I just want something and not "if"s 17:47:20 gismo: are you ok with discussing this next month? 17:47:38 #topic Le camp contract status update 17:47:49 thanks, gaudenz 17:47:51 heiserhorn 17:48:16 gaudenz: (sorry, network problems) IMHO it should be set as soon as the penalties are known 17:48:19 I am waiting Le Camp for stating VAT prices on contract 17:48:24 ana: Shortening debcamp *does* sound like a feasible way - BUT: 17:48:33 to clarify cancellation policy 17:48:34 - We have to make that as part of the signed contract (or we pay penalites for it) 17:48:43 ^ yes 17:48:51 - It reduces the time where least people are there (so the least expensive part of DebConf) 17:48:54 gwolf, its still cheaper to pay le camp for the day and not use it 17:49:14 most expensive part is food and not accomodation 17:49:16 right - it is a possibility, but not as strong... Well, anyway, topic has changed 17:49:17 and indeed, we can also shorten debconf by 2 days and save lots of money on food 17:49:19 and they want a signature on it in 2-3 weeks 17:49:23 gwolf: at Le Camp there is a big fixed price, so we could shorten before the penalty date if we don't think we will get enough money 17:49:34 people can you let heiserhorn give his update 17:49:41 ...so we could even say _now_ that we cannot make it to 7+7 days... 17:49:44 heiserhorn, did you discuss the questions with them already? 17:49:54 about shortening? 17:49:58 heiserhorn, because the last draft of the contract was useless 17:50:23 I am waiting an update for cancellation policy 17:50:37 but I did not discuss shortening 17:50:43 heiserhorn: what update? 17:50:44 http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf13/Meetings/20120905#Contract_with_Le_Camp had more problems, didnt it? 17:51:16 update on the % of which amount we need to pay in case of cancellation 17:51:19 s/useless/little use with all the wrong stuff in it/ 17:51:52 * h01ger finds it a bit problematic to have a deadline for signing but not having seen the final version of the to be signed document 17:52:13 heiserhorn: Do you think it would help to call them? 17:52:14 h01ger: no the food and accomodation is clear and is already in the contract 17:52:27 and me likes the idea of adding options for shortening the time span _a bit_ (like up to 2 days for debcamp and conf each) 17:52:28 I'll put the english translation in the repo 17:52:50 heiserhorn, so "Things that don't match the discussion with Le Camp" has been fixed? 17:53:01 h01ger: While I agree that the contract in it's current form can not be signed I think the major points are clear. 17:53:05 h01ger: yes 17:53:10 heiserhorn, good 17:53:20 heiserhorn, but that version aint in the repo as of now, right? 17:53:28 the french one yes 17:53:34 the translation no 17:53:38 Do people agree that the contract is fine if the "Things that don't match the discussion with Le Camp" are fixed? 17:53:41 heiserhorn: has the food issue been clarified? no more full board? 17:53:42 french is not an debconf langugage :) 17:54:04 no 17:54:07 gaudenz, yes, though i think it would be better if we ask them about canceling a few days 17:54:16 we will have to fill a table of each meal 17:54:18 h01ger: agreed 17:54:19 and not only ask, but put it in the contract 17:54:33 next topic? 17:54:42 #info heiserhorn will update the contract in the repo 17:54:48 Do we need to hold another meeting before signing? 17:55:11 depends on the contract ;) 17:55:11 if making the event shorter saves a lot of money, I'd be in favor of it. 2 full weeks is pretty much exhausting for everyone involved, and those who want to spend more time in-country sight-seeing and so forth are always free to do that at their own expense 17:55:20 I think if no problem comes up we would like to sign the contract before the next regular meeting in 1 month 17:55:39 gaudenz: I agree 17:55:40 gaudenz, it seems we want some shortening option 17:55:45 gaudenz: I'd say yes if there wasn't an agreement on letting attendees pay registration fee or similar. 17:56:01 so i think we need not to sign this in a hurry 17:56:24 h01ger: I agree to not in a hurry, but 1 month is a lot 17:56:25 I want to see a correct contract first 17:56:26 hug, ? (eparse.) 17:56:36 hug: I think we all agree to that. 17:56:41 gaudenz, we can also agree on the list... 17:56:47 h0lger: well we can't sign if the budget is not approved 17:56:48 what would happen if we only got max(dc10, dc11, dc12) currency units of sponsorship ? does the planning abeve include cases that dire? 17:57:01 #agreed if the contract is fine it can be signed after agreement on list 17:57:02 (and we can agree on the list to decide in an irc meeting, cause we cannot agree some topic on the list) 17:57:12 so, maybe just a quick-contract-discussion-meeting? 17:57:17 #info we want shortening options in the contract 17:57:27 next topic? 17:57:28 i would go so far to say: "dont sign without them" 17:57:28 so we agree on a budget of 190K? 17:57:37 * gwolf is really afraid... :-| 17:57:42 (but i'm not sure there is consensus on that) 17:57:58 hug: I'm not sure what you mean by the question 17:57:59 hug: if someone knows where to get 190k, sure .. that seems implausible to me, though 17:58:02 heiserhorn, can you please talk with le camp about this and report back asap? 17:58:09 so far, we have been told by you (the locals) we will get the money given the right fundraising efforts 17:58:12 hug: that is the budget needed for Le Camp, apparently 17:58:17 I' try to call him tomorrow 17:58:20 It really stresses me to think on how to find 190K 17:58:21 heiserhorn, merci 17:58:27 moray: yes 17:58:40 next topic, bsp? 17:58:43 + smaller expenses 17:58:43 h01ger: no problem 17:58:44 It _seems_ we have to sign, no matter what... But we have to give as much provision as possible 17:58:48 gwolf: I dont't think we need 190k from *sponsors* 17:58:51 but this latest list message re RMLL makes me still more concerned about how we will possibly raise it 17:58:52 gwolf, we dont 17:58:59 This includes professional fees and anything else. 17:59:14 right. But we won't raise 90K from prof/corp 17:59:29 gwolf: the last couple of years regular sponsorship was more like 50k 17:59:40 so it's a gap of 140, not of 90 17:59:43 gwolf: That's why we have the shortening and the participation fee ideas. 17:59:46 gwolf: we do if we charge registration fee 17:59:53 #info so we dont agree on the 190k budget cause dont agree that we think we'll have that much money. 18:00:00 next topic? 18:00:05 we only have 1 min left 18:00:14 #topic BSP at le camp 18:00:15 * h01ger suggest to only discuss bsp+next meeting 18:00:34 27./28.10. seems most likely 18:00:43 when will it be decided? 18:00:45 (we already agreed "next meeting" will be discussed on the list I think) 18:00:45 but we need more people 18:00:49 can we agree on these dates? 18:00:55 * h01ger can agree on this date 18:01:02 moray, right 18:01:05 mid-November may be better for me 18:01:16 ok for me 18:01:18 what does the doodle poll say? 18:01:19 I certainly can't do those dates, but I don't think that's important in itself 18:01:39 s/certainly/almost certainly/ 18:02:01 4 for the first date and 6 for the second date 18:02:15 and 2-3 maybes for both dates 18:02:20 according to comments 18:03:05 looking at doodle it seems to clear to me 18:03:09 heiserhorn: are you ok with this date, if yes I think you can confirm to Le camp that we want to come for that week-end 18:03:16 also gismo had a "yes maybe" for the 2nd date 18:03:28 the 27.10? 18:03:33 heiserhorn: yes 18:03:37 ok 18:04:12 #agreed BSP and Debconf Team visit at Le Camp on 27./28. October 2012 18:04:18 h01ger: I would have had that, too, if that would have been possible. 18:04:40 XTaran: my fault 18:04:50 #aob 18:04:53 almost 18:04:58 #topic AOB 18:05:21 I dont think we have any urgent / important topics left 18:05:28 * h01ger is curious about the monthly cashflow forecast :-) 18:05:42 who put that on the agenda?? 18:05:47 sorry but I have to go 18:06:00 I'll keep you updated with the contract 18:06:01