19:00:41 #startmeeting 19:00:41 Meeting started Tue Jul 12 19:00:41 2011 UTC. The chair is h01ger. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:41 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:00:48 #chair nattie 19:00:48 Current chairs: h01ger nattie 19:00:57 anybody else wants to help chairing? 19:01:06 #topic please introduce yourself! 19:01:10 cough 19:01:10 hi 19:01:14 huhu 19:01:15 hi :) 19:01:17 hi 19:01:25 * gwolf is back 19:01:46 agenda is at http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf11/Meetingsn and reads this 19:01:55 19:01:55 network uplink 19:01:55 insurance 19:01:55 tshirts 19:01:55 hotels, rooms + food 19:01:56 Debian Day 19:01:58 day trip 19:02:00 talks schedule 19:02:03 budget 19:02:04 banners to put into the talks rooms (promised to sponsors) 19:02:05 hi 19:02:06 AOB# 19:02:09 hola 19:02:40 i like to be done in an hour, so there will be 5min for each topic. so usually that means: status and thats it, the rest should be discussed after the meeting, on the list, etc. - some points will have to be discussed here+now though 19:02:48 any topics missing? 19:02:51 * nattie points out that individual requests will not be entertained during the course of the meeting - please leave those for afterwards 19:02:57 please notify me if you add stuff to the agenda 19:03:04 only team stuff for now, please 19:03:13 nattie, greeting in Spanish, well, you progress: P 19:04:08 ok 19:04:15 #topic network uplink 19:04:25 scheduled to be working yesterday :) 19:04:32 it's working 19:04:36 it's there 19:04:39 reschduled to be working tomorrow 19:04:40 oh 19:04:41 Phil and I'll just tested tomorrow 19:04:44 AbsintheSyringe: great, can you IRC from it? 19:04:50 moray, sure 19:04:56 please 19:05:03 AbsintheSyringe: did you test it? 19:05:08 next topic or something left now? 19:05:16 #action AbsintheSyringe and fil to text network uplink tomorrow 19:05:17 mehdi, they will test tomorrow, as just said 19:05:17 mehdi: tomorrow 19:05:23 mañana 19:05:26 mehdi, no, I'm "moving" to Banja Luka tomorrow 19:05:39 AbsintheSyringe: right, forgot that bit :) 19:05:48 ntz ntz ntz :) 19:06:01 alright, next i guess. /me is happy about the uplink and also about 1gbit. hopefully it will work tomorrow :) 19:06:09 #topic 2. insurance 19:06:22 I got the email about that 19:06:23 adnan, did you forward the list i sent you today? 19:06:32 just today, I guess that's policy 19:06:34 I could send it to you 19:06:38 one sec 19:06:39 please do 19:06:56 AbsintheSyringe, (again, as you didnt answer this one): did you forward the list i sent you today? 19:07:03 forward to the insurance company... 19:07:20 h01ger, I did long time ago 19:07:25 and I got answer from them 19:07:28 AbsintheSyringe, nononono 19:07:33 ? 19:07:36 did you forward the new list i sent you today? 19:07:37 new list 19:07:57 the one with serial numbers? 19:08:04 mehdi, yes 19:08:05 no 19:08:10 AbsintheSyringe, please do! 19:08:18 right now, by preference 19:08:19 k 19:08:28 when let me take a look at it 19:08:30 i'm still thinking of canceling videoteam if we have no insurance i can believe its proper 19:08:33 because I thought it was the same list 19:08:50 AbsintheSyringe, thats why i explained this to you in email next to the list in attachment 19:08:51 an eye for detail is generally considered useful 19:09:46 AbsintheSyringe, +please forward what they have sent you to me (=the insurance policy) 19:10:07 i guess then we can say "next topic" 19:10:12 k 19:10:33 #action AbsintheSyringe to forward inventory with serial numbers to insurance company 19:10:34 #info adnan still has to send the new list to the insurance company (the one with serial numbers) and send the policy from that company to holger/debconf-team 19:10:43 did you get an invoice? 19:10:46 * h01ger cheers nattie 19:10:51 mehdi, no, its sponsored 19:10:51 whee! 19:10:58 k 19:11:04 #topic tshirts 19:11:14 whats the status here? 19:11:26 lunacy and friends are on the topic 19:11:33 they asked for several quotes from different print shops 19:11:36 and got one reply so far 19:11:50 and DIVA will pay (according to aroundthfur) using govt money 19:11:53 (they're meant to be online for the meeting, but must have a connection problem) 19:11:54 #topic tshirts, bags, banner 19:12:02 bags are also in the pipeline 19:12:11 mehdi: that's very good 19:12:12 are they aware we need banners for the podium too? (bags i know they are aware) 19:12:15 banner would most likely be a different print shop, as different materials and processes 19:12:22 and I don't think that's in action yet, no 19:12:29 this is 19:12:32 what's going to change 19:12:33 the price (as mentioned here) is 6.2 km for a t-shirt 19:12:33 mehdi: if DIVA finally agreed not to be a PITA on the topic, that's all we could ask for :) 19:12:34 to happen* 19:12:40 * h01ger hopes the same printshop can do banners 19:12:51 AbsintheSyringe, what do you mean? 19:12:54 h01ger: that's seldom the case 19:12:56 h01ger: typically t-shirt places don't also do banners 19:12:58 I instructed lunacy but it seems to me she didn't do what I told her to do 19:13:01 h01ger: it's a different printing technology 19:13:06 (silk-screen vs. digital) 19:13:11 gwolf, ah 19:13:17 today aroundthfur talked with diva regarding this, they should give us the numbers, time needed to print it all, from a new company 19:13:26 * fil has the old "Debian" banner that sladen often carries -- I presume it's useful to bring it 19:13:36 he's not present due to private matters 19:13:39 fil: go for it 19:13:40 but that's what we agreed on today 19:13:49 so 19:13:50 fil: we can hoist it at Banski Dvor until they complain 19:13:51 #info we need banners with dc11 sponsor logos - we promised that to our sponsors 19:13:54 shirts, final numbers and everything 19:13:55 tomorrow 19:14:13 righto 19:14:26 next? 19:14:29 and bags! :) 19:14:30 no 19:14:33 yes 19:14:42 AbsintheSyringe: lunacy has spoken with aroundthfur, so they should be able to sort it out between them 19:14:47 shirts, bags, accreditation, and welcome page with map 19:14:54 when? 19:14:55 i'm confused. is lunacy doing the Ts now like we agreed on the list or was that taken from her without consulting team? 19:15:10 h01ger: I'm also a little confused, but aroundthfur seemed to know what was going on 19:15:25 h01ger: the message from speaking with him earlier today seemed to be different from what AbsintheSyringe says 19:15:26 talk to aroundthfur regarding this, all I know is that lunacy didn't do as I instructed her to do 19:15:32 AbsintheSyringe, what do you mean with "accredation"? 19:15:35 it is different 19:15:37 h01ger: he means badges 19:15:38 h01ger, ID's 19:15:42 AbsintheSyringe, when did you instruct her? 19:15:51 AbsintheSyringe, why didnt you discuss this here? 19:15:54 and what did you instruct her? 19:16:03 h01ger: I agree that not every detail can be discussed on-list 19:16:13 specially in the last days where many decisions must be taen 19:16:32 h01ger, I instructed her to go to tourist board, and tell them that we need to print shirts, bags, ID's and welcome page 19:16:33 gwolf, ack ack 19:16:45 she didn't seem to go there and do dthat but rather went on looking for printing shops 19:16:57 today aroundthfur talked to diva and they will give him numbers 19:17:04 AbsintheSyringe: the information earlier today was that the tourist board could not in fact do t-shirts 19:17:07 AbsintheSyringe: right now I do not think we can go very far going through the bureaucratic loops 19:17:08 time it'll take to print and so on these shirts in another company in Tuzla 19:17:31 gwolf, excuse me? 19:17:31 AbsintheSyringe: FWIW I also think the sanest thing is to look for a place to print them privately 19:17:40 after all we have the money and can decide where to use it 19:17:42 that's what's going to happen tomorrow 19:17:50 AbsintheSyringe: she also spoke more to DIVA (who called her), who just wanted a map from her for the tourist board to print, and knew nothing about t-shirts 19:17:56 aroundthfur said that DIVA will give additional addresses of printing shops, and will check the prices 19:17:57 if aroundthfur he would explain it to you 19:18:06 right, can we say we talk to aroundthfur 19:18:13 rather than try to do it without him now 19:18:19 please 19:18:22 AbsintheSyringe, you should stop trying to re-organize things which already were organized. that causes chaos, confusion & delay 19:18:26 AbsintheSyringe: sorry, I might have misunderstood - but going through tourist board seems like too much hassle right now 19:18:33 we need the things to be printed quick 19:18:36 h01ger, you should stop accusing me of something I'm not doing 19:18:47 circles. yay. 19:19:10 next topic, discuss this with aroundthfur later on 19:19:14 best and sanest way 19:19:39 AbsintheSyringe, today we agred that lunacy would do tshirts. now you tell us you broke that agreement and decided something else on your own? thats not how debconf-_team_ works or should work 19:19:57 #info we have no idea who will do tshirts where+how and who will pay 19:20:00 h01ger, how did I decide anything if I said ask aroundthfur what happened? 19:20:10 how did I break anything if I don't even know what's happening with that topic 19:20:13 and what was agreed? 19:20:16 let's stick to Lunacy and those who coordinate with us on list and on irc ? 19:20:18 next 19:20:40 its useless to discuss now wiothout both aroundfor and lunacy 19:20:47 we can come back later, should they join 19:20:48 yes 19:20:53 #topic 4. hotels, rooms + food 19:20:54 good 19:21:18 (we do need tshirts they were also promised to our sponsors) 19:21:25 hotels... 19:21:28 rooms+food 19:21:35 who has something to say here? 19:21:45 well, it seems that situation is mostly sorted out 19:21:57 fil will tell us tomorrow :) 19:22:13 I understand the food price will be 7.5 per meal, right? (not per day) 19:22:26 hi to all 19:22:27 * darst must go in 8 minutes 19:22:34 Did we passed t-shirt topic already? 19:22:35 * h01ger will put "thirts" back on the topic once this topic is over. 19:22:40 Lunacy, yes :) +hi 19:22:44 and see what i just said 19:22:45 I was having trouble finding wifi conn. 19:23:06 hello :) 19:23:07 Lunacy, logs are at http://meetbot.debian.net/ -> debconf-team -> 2011 19:23:10 oh, do we have wifi access in hotels? 19:23:16 mehdi, yes 19:23:23 so who can say something about rooms+food 19:23:24 Lunacy: we will return 19:23:25 key thanks 19:23:30 free, and in all of them? 19:23:33 do we have a contact now to the hotel 19:23:43 mehdi, yes. but its offtopic and documented on the wiki, i believe ;) 19:23:56 oh, sorry then, I'll go and check. 19:24:02 when was decided that people from Banja Luka will be in hotels as well? 19:24:27 AbsintheSyringe, when was decided not to? those who register in time and are involved in debian or are volunteers... 19:24:46 #info it seems noone knows how reservations are going, or if we get food 19:25:01 * h01ger is a bit hmmm about this. not worried, just hmmm 19:25:12 I thought aroundthfur was the hotel interface 19:25:34 and sent the list to Bosna for now 19:25:35 * fil had the impression that this bit was going OK *shrug* 19:25:44 ... 19:26:06 h01ger: well, it's more than that for the people he means -- we specifically asked them to stay in the hotel 19:26:17 * gwolf also was quite optimist re: hotels :( 19:26:29 you need to 19:26:31 h01ger: as we knew from previous years that this will be useful 19:26:34 aroundthfur we need him for this topic 19:26:39 besides the numbers of room you gave 19:26:47 hotels need names besides those numbers 19:26:55 aroundthfur has them already 19:27:00 names? 19:27:01 and has sent the ones to Bosna already 19:27:01 yes 19:27:02 alongwith the numbers? 19:27:02 names 19:27:05 yes 19:27:08 along with numbers 19:27:10 he told me he doesn't ave them 19:27:16 I asked him just today 19:27:24 he received it like 2 hours ago? 19:27:31 listen 19:27:40 if I say something that I don't agree with Debian right now 19:27:46 it's either we'll start a fight 19:27:49 or you just keep quiet 19:28:00 so I should keep quiet when I know more facts than you??? 19:28:01 as it'll turn out I'm trying to organize something by myself 19:28:12 AbsintheSyringe: BTW he also said that for the other two hotels there was less urgency 19:28:36 but he has the names, anyway 19:28:37 AbsintheSyringe, can you give us a email from the hotel so we can talk with them directly, without you proxying? saves you work and will make communication more efficient :) 19:28:42 putting people from Banja Luka into hotels is waste of money, whoevers money it is 19:28:56 so, now I'm proxy-ing? 19:29:16 I'm not proxy-ing anything, if you wanna say something straight to my face say it 19:29:19 AbsintheSyringe: how do you call having a person who is a communications hub? 19:29:22 as I have no idea what you're talking about? 19:29:24 AbsintheSyringe: please, don't get touchy 19:29:31 it's very easy to offend and take offence right now 19:29:32 AbsintheSyringe, having locals staying with us is actually useful 19:29:32 I'm not getting touchy 19:29:35 I have no idea what you're tlaking about 19:29:39 AbsintheSyringe: We are not plotting against you 19:29:55 AbsintheSyringe: and nobody will say you are organizing by yourself and for yourself and with your priorities 19:29:58 AbsintheSyringe: they're saying you are acting as proxy between us and others, and they would like to save you that work 19:30:09 * h01ger nods gwolf 19:30:11 ...but we _do_ need to have the right direct access to information, to people 19:30:22 nattie, I have nothing to do with hotels aroundthfur was supposed to finish that 19:30:23 ...also to save you from becoming crazy, as it's alll too much for a single person 19:30:26 I think on hotels aroundthfur is doing it prtty well now 19:30:29 I can -again- perfectly relate to you 19:30:33 It sucks to be you right now :) 19:30:36 so I'm not sure there *is* a proxying problem on hotels any more 19:30:39 since the last few days 19:30:40 but please, lets go on with this 19:30:51 but maybe that's why AbsintheSyringe no longer knows every detail, too 19:31:05 * fil nods 19:31:07 AbsintheSyringe, you wanted the names for the hotel - thats why i was suggesting you give us (the room peopel) an email of the hotel as we need to deal with them directly anyway. i was *not* accusing you of proxing, just observing. proxying is mostly inefficient 19:32:09 so, rooms. what was the status again= 19:32:10 ? 19:32:25 aroundthfur has a list, is giving it to Bosna, and things seemed under control 19:32:44 #info aroundthfur has a list, is giving it to Bosna, and things seemed under control 19:33:02 #action aroundthfur, please confirm this (rooms) 19:33:07 and food? 19:33:18 h01ger: there's a list thread 19:33:34 h01ger: I think it (as usual) lacks a connection to the hotel, though 19:33:43 but I guess aroundthfur can progress that after the room counts 19:33:49 I sent numbers required for debcamp, aroundthfur will talk sometime, but probabyl once fil gets there 19:33:53 * h01ger has seen the mail 19:34:13 and hopefully they won't say "what, food for 300 people? jejeje" 19:34:36 #info for now we assign aroundthfur for f00d too, tomorrow fil will take over - IOW: we have no clue what will happen, if there is vegetarian food, etc 19:34:49 is there some local we could delegate food to ? 19:35:06 Lunacy: know anyone? 19:35:13 just a sec 19:35:14 #topic tshirts, take 2 19:35:22 #topic hotels, food, again 19:35:23 there are a few locals here 19:35:26 i will ask them 19:35:47 ‽ 19:35:50 * h01ger waits for 3min, everybody please take a rest, grab a tea, smile & relax 19:35:51 (someone you think can handle it and communicate with us well) 19:35:54 What do they suppose to do? 19:36:05 talk to the hotel, mail to the list 19:36:13 or talk here instead of mail 19:36:20 communicate 19:36:25 Lunacy: (a) sort out final menus (b) sort out final numbers, and how we can cope with extra people who want to pay for food, etc. 19:37:12 Lunacy: I sent a mail last night with preliminary information for DebCamp 19:37:25 Ok 19:37:30 Zlatan can handle that 19:37:36 that's what he said just now :) 19:37:40 great 19:37:41 cool. thanks zlatan! 19:37:48 yay 19:37:50 yeah cool :D 19:37:51 can you have zlatan read the list thread and reply saying ey'll follow up? 19:37:58 #info zlatan will handle food and reply to richards mail 19:38:11 i will follow up 19:38:16 I'm happy to offer advice on this 19:38:31 ok. next? /me is happy this is being taken care of now 19:38:31 fil, we will meet then tomorrow 19:38:42 zlatan: fil is the Phil Hands who replied, and has good advice 19:38:50 right, sounds like we have a Team now 19:38:51 #topic tshirts, take 2 19:38:56 yay :) 19:39:06 lunacy, the stage is yours ;) 19:39:16 Ok, didi everyone read my email considering prices etc.? 19:39:19 *did 19:39:47 Vedran and me visited several print shops today, and gathered the info about prices etc. 19:39:47 yes, i did. are you still on it, or aroundthfur now, like AbsintheSyringe indicated in this meeting? that was the confusion we had 15min ago 19:40:03 vedran aroundthfur? :) 19:40:08 the fastest time to finish printing is like 7 days 19:40:11 Lunacy: when did you last speak to aroundthfur on this topic, was one question? 19:40:36 no, not that vedran - vedran novakovic (vedrann) 19:40:57 Well, as far as I know 19:40:57 ah. /me apologies (to both :) 19:41:07 Adnan told me that someone from DIVA would call me 19:41:13 regarding printing t-shirts 19:41:15 indeed 19:41:31 today told me some mrs from DIVA 19:41:34 *called 19:41:54 I've asked if it's about printing t-shirts 19:41:57 but she said no 19:42:08 what was it about then? 19:42:13 and she said its about the map that I should send to the tourist board 19:42:34 that *debian people* made 19:42:37 h01ger: aroundthfur's name is Velimir, anyway 19:42:45 so someone from the tourist board BL could print it 19:43:08 she mentioned nothing about t-shirts 19:43:15 nattie, thanks for shaming me in public 19:43:26 h01ger: sorry :-/ 19:43:37 debconf-data: 3 moray committed revision 2808 to debconf-data: map of Banja Luka 19:43:37 debconf-data: files changed: A media.debconf.org/dc11/map/ 19:43:38 debconf-data: A media.debconf.org/dc11/map/map.pdf 19:43:40 debconf-data: A media.debconf.org/dc11/map/map.svg 19:43:45 nattie, i was ironic :) 19:43:53 btw 19:43:58 nixda ironie! 19:44:02 I sent e-mails to local print shops 19:44:07 is this map thing being solved/taken care of or should we add it as another topic? 19:44:10 so they can send me offers for printint 19:44:13 *g 19:44:15 * h01ger would like us to focus again on topic 19:44:16 h01ger: see FBI ^^ 19:44:19 I've got only one reply 19:44:39 Lunacy: did you happen to see fil's suggestion of maybe splitting the t-shirts between two shops? 19:44:54 they said they can finish printing in 7 days, and it would cost 6.2 KM per t-shirts 19:44:57 Lunacy: the people at Diva said _nothing_ about the shirts? (just to be sure we don't skip steps) 19:44:58 i think someone mentioned a second quotation 19:45:01 * h01ger is unsure if splitting is a good idea 19:45:15 Lunacy: which shirts quality is 6.2KM? 160g/m²? 19:45:26 Lunacy, do you know what 190g/m2 costs? 19:45:36 +more importantly: are the designs ready now? 19:45:42 nattie: yes, it crosed my mind, but I don't know if it's useful and is it going to bring us more unnecessary complications? 19:45:58 AbsintheSyringe, btw: did you get insurance companys logo? 19:46:09 ho1ger: I don't know if all of them even have 190/m2 19:46:18 AbsintheSyringe, sarnet logo is also missing 19:46:19 Lunacy: just ask if it's available 19:46:32 Lunacy: It's better to have not-great shirts than not having shirts at all :) 19:46:41 #action someone needs to put insurance company and sarnets logo on the website (and tshirts if they arrive RSN) 19:46:43 I think only one of them maybe have 190/m2 t-shirts 19:46:46 h01ger: we are way past the deadline for logos, as it was already said... 19:47:11 but i'm still waiting them to reply and it's questionable when would they finish printing... if we decide to hire them 19:47:18 gwolf, we could still be nice as they are nice to us. i agree with the ad and that there will be a deadlien, but if we get the logos now and valessio fixes the layout, why not? 19:47:35 But really, those 160/m2 are bad at all 19:47:40 pretty decent quality 19:47:58 h01ger: if it's possible, yes, we should add the logo, but if that carries the risk of getting even later, I'd rather sip it 19:48:01 skip it 19:48:04 I don't know, I will check tomorrow what would be the cost of 190/m2 if they have one ... 19:48:04 Lunacy, so if we decide those 160gm2 are fine, are you ready to tell the printshop what to do or is there something missing? 19:48:11 gwolf, ack 19:48:24 Lunacy, and you have the bags in mind too? (and know how many we need?) 19:48:36 yes, I'm ready I think 19:48:47 the problem is i got only one reply to e-mail 19:49:16 I don't know the time which would be necessary for other 2 print shops to finish printing, especially 'cause we have bags involved too 19:50:02 * h01ger is happy if Lunacy now decides what she thinks is best for us and that the meeting should authorize her to order shirts+bags for dc11 in our name 19:50:05 agreed? 19:50:18 I suggest 19:50:24 you talk to aroundthfur before concluding anything 19:50:26 on this topic 19:50:33 (whats best for us in the constraints of the numbers + colors + layout we gave her :) 19:50:50 * nattie agrees with h01ger 19:50:51 AbsintheSyringe, right. but thats fine if Lunacy does it. we can still give her a go now? 19:50:58 h01ger: so you mean she *doesn't* have authorisation to make them all pastel pink?? ;) 19:51:02 a preliminary go 19:51:13 moray: there are varying shades of pastel pink! ;) 19:51:13 moray, exactly 19:51:25 do we agree on this? 19:51:26 moray: If te President agrees the Bosnian flag can be changed to pastel pink, we can print in pastel pink. 19:51:27 Well I can contact #3 shop I've mentioned in my list tomorrow and asked how much time do they need to finish everything, including bags 19:52:04 I told you what I would suggest you do, now what you do is on your own 19:52:21 but certainly h01ger is right, we don't have time to wait around on printing -- yes, we want to hear from aroundthfur, but we don't need another big team discussion on it 19:52:22 cause their offer was pretty good, 6.5 KM for a 160/m2 t-shirt 19:52:28 AbsintheSyringe: what did you suggest that we are not following? 19:52:33 contacting aroundthfur? 19:52:42 gwolf, yes 19:52:47 i think aroundthfur has quite a lot on his plate at the moment 19:52:57 and Lunacy strikes me as competent to do what she needs to do 19:53:10 Lunacy: but, could you call him just to make sure no gross duplication of efforts is taking place? 19:53:11 AbsintheSyringe, right. but thats fine if Lunacy does it. we can still give her a (preliminary) go now? 19:53:13 read 19:53:27 nattie: I agree with you, but still, a phone call is not a bad idea 19:53:30 ok 19:53:31 oh, absolutely 19:53:48 h01ger, I'm reading 19:53:53 #agreed Lunacy will call aroundthfur and then take over and get us pink tshirts+bags 19:53:54 #action Lunacy to go ahead with t-shirts upon final consultation with aroundthfur 19:53:59