19:00:08 #startmeeting 19:00:08 Meeting started Sun Jun 20 19:00:08 2010 UTC. The chair is edrz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:08 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:00:23 who is paying attention at the moment? 19:00:27 _o/ 19:00:28 * schultmc is 19:00:43 well, so there are 3 of us. 19:00:46 * Hydroxide is, though will be mostly listening to others 19:00:47 #topic Budget status and estimates 19:00:49 (having been away) 19:00:58 #link http://rkd.zgib.net/http/debconf/only-reconfirmed/budget-report.txt 19:01:14 ana: MrBeige others? anything to discuss? 19:01:56 #info debconf-data/dc10/budget.ods 19:02:33 seems that day trip, formal dinner, and various other potential expenses are not included 19:02:52 do we have some ideas for formal dinner? 19:02:56 #help day trip, formal dinner, and various other potential expenses are not included 19:03:07 Clint: expand on potential other? 19:03:23 edrz: bagels, printing, etc. 19:03:58 #info breakfast (if not caterred), printing expenses, etc not included in current budget numbers. 19:04:07 #help who has info on these? 19:04:27 DrDub: someone had suggested a chinatown banquet hall some time ago, but the cuisine might be problematic for all the dietary restrictions 19:04:46 someone else suggested just renting a courtyard and getting it catered externally 19:04:57 someone else suggested a russian restaurant in brighton beach 19:04:58 #idea chinatown banquet hall, though dietary restrictions might be problematic 19:05:05 Clint: that'd be nice and on budget, too bad the dietary issues (which is true) 19:05:19 #idea rent courtyard (HI or CS) w/ catering. 19:05:36 CS courtyard definitely won't work; too small 19:05:45 so, food is a later item on the agenda. 19:05:52 any other issues with the budget? 19:06:03 beyond what is missing? 19:06:34 or other items that are missing and for which we need numbers? 19:06:42 anyone volunteering to get said numbers? 19:07:11 no? 19:07:22 otherwise -> next topic. 19:07:29 presumably the people working on t-shirt/bag procurement would get those eventually 19:08:07 #info t-shirts/bags/etc. cost numbers need to be accounted for in the budget. 19:08:20 #topic talk team report 19:08:55 #link schedule openning thread: http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/thread/20100618.153105.321857f5.en.html 19:09:18 so, dkg and company(?) got the schedule out. 19:09:26 congrats! 19:09:43 thanks 19:09:48 any other scheduling or talks acceptance issues? 19:10:03 group photo is still a bit up in the air, as noted on debconf-team@ 19:10:04 what about printed and/or online pdf of proceedings? 19:10:11 has someone claimed that bit? 19:10:18 that's sapphire 19:10:19 dkg: penta event id for that? 19:10:39 edrz: 530 19:10:46 Aigiurs is on it, though 19:10:49 #info group photo still a bit undecided (penta event 530) 19:11:07 #info aigiurs is on it. 19:11:19 it's aigars or aigarius 19:11:45 #info aigars or aigarius, that is. 19:11:54 edrz, I have two problems 19:12:03 #info sapphire is working on proceedings 19:12:06 sapphire: do tell. 19:12:26 one is I gave deadline for proceedings at July 15th 19:12:37 while on dc10 website says July 1st 19:12:52 which should we go with? 19:13:14 i can update the website after meeting if needed. 19:13:18 another is I need penta admin access in order to fetch most abstracts from it 19:13:33 edrz, please do 19:14:24 #action edrz will update dates on website to reflect abstract deadline sapphire mailed for proceedings 19:14:31 sapphire: reviewer access is sufficient for that I think (possibly or committee access), but in any case, any full ui-level penta admin can grant you any needed permissions 19:14:32 #info deadline is July 15th 19:14:40 15th sounds fine, although you might want to send a reminder 5 days before and make clear it is a firm deadline 19:14:43 which includes edrz, me, MrBeige, and the admin people 19:14:54 DrDub, yes! 19:14:58 who takes the action item for getting sapphire appropriate access for proceedings? 19:15:01 maybe the deadline was before July 1st to make sure the abstracts exist by July 15th ;-) 19:15:25 DrDub, I share your guess 19:15:40 #idea send reminder mail ~5 days prior to proceedings deadline 19:15:47 * DrDub BRB 19:16:04 sapphire: will you take action on the reminder? 19:16:12 sapphire: I will give you reviewer access now, and will increase it if it's insufficient to let you see abstracts/other talk details 19:16:13 edrz, positive 19:16:27 #action edrz takes care of sapphire's access needs for proceedings 19:16:36 ...or I'll leave it for edrz :) 19:16:47 Hydroxide: go ahead. 19:16:50 ok 19:17:13 #action sapphire coordinates reminder mails on or before July 10th 19:17:19 any other event/talks issues? 19:17:21 done. can be tested post-meeting. 19:17:54 #action (done) Hydroxide took care of sapphire's access issue + will confirm post-meeting 19:18:04 #topic Travel Sponosorship report 19:18:12 who is working on this? 19:18:15 * schultmc is 19:18:31 #info travel sponsorship numbers have been added to budget.ods 19:18:52 #info budget has group A at 100% and group B at 70% 19:19:12 #info group B at 100% is included below the tallies for informational sake 19:19:44 sapphire: does the 70% mean that 70% of group B people will get sponsored or that every group B person will get 70% of their request? 19:19:45 any idea how many ppl from group B can't make it at 70%? 19:19:48 schultmc: ^^^ 19:20:01 #idea be sure MrBeige's http://rkd.zgib.net/http/debconf/only-reconfirmed/budget-report.txt and budget.ods agree as much as possible. 19:20:08 Hydroxide: it's based on everyone in group B getting 70% of what's asked 19:20:13 ok 19:21:01 #info group B at 70% means each getting 70% of their request 19:21:02 the emails from herb mentioned group B may be at <100% sponsorship but no numbers were given 19:21:09 have we notified them about the 70%? 19:21:14 group B funding still hasn't been secured afaik 19:21:25 ah, ok 19:21:26 not yet, although without funding group B is at 0% 19:21:41 where do we stand wrt to actually affording that? i.e. is it already covered or do we still wait on funds to appear? 19:21:46 schultmc: how much more funding do we need to get there? 19:22:03 #info group B funding still not secured 19:22:12 Hydroxide: ~10k USD to do 70%, ~14.3k to do 100% 19:22:20 ok 19:22:24 it's in the tentative section of budget.ods 19:22:34 * Hydroxide nods 19:22:42 #info ~10k USD needed for 70%, ~14.3k for 100% wrt group B 19:22:59 any other issues wrt to travel sponsorship? 19:23:35 not that I know of 19:24:10 #topic report from CU meetings 19:24:47 #info micah, Clint, MrBeige and edrz met with CRF, CUIT and JJ on Friday, June 25th. 19:25:13 #link CRF notes http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20100619.213630.01ac63c1.en.html 19:25:43 #info cuit notes forthcoming 19:25:57 in general the meetings were very positive 19:26:18 #info CRF == CU CS department IT. 19:26:27 Clint: any thing to add? 19:26:36 micah is away 19:26:52 any specific questions others have about what we learned? 19:27:11 nothing i can think of 19:27:18 MrBeige: ? 19:27:55 #info in short bandwidth, access and other concerns won't be major issues. 19:28:12 what happens with internet2? 19:28:19 #info CUIT and CRF are both eager and willing to cooperate and help us with any issues. 19:28:29 DrDubius: we can have them raise the cap in exchange for money or sponsorship status 19:28:56 Clint: was that decided at the end? 19:29:07 do we want to decide now...? 19:29:23 no decisions have been made as far as I am aware 19:29:28 (I'm in favor) 19:29:48 * Hydroxide suggests we agree now on having the cap raised from July 31 through August 8, which puts them currently at the top of the bronze bracket 19:29:58 the main factor, aiui, is whether to grant a in-kind sponsor status, and for how much? 19:30:11 #idea suggests we agree now on having the cap raised from July 31 through August 8, which puts them currently at the top of the bronze bracket 19:30:17 well, the how much comes from them 19:30:22 Hydroxide: are those numbers documented somewhere? 19:30:30 i.e the dollar value. 19:30:31 and goes with Jimmy's suggestion 19:30:38 edrz: I'm not sure if they're public 19:30:46 that's not my question. 19:30:47 it's not publicly documented, at least 19:30:52 edrz: join #-sponsors and we'll tell you :-) 19:31:03 edrz: the numbers are known, yes 19:31:18 * edrz avoiding #-sponsors to try to focus at least a little bit. :) 19:31:21 ok :) 19:31:34 so, are the -sponsors people present here in agreement? 19:31:37 the sponsorship team is keeping track of dollar values for all sponsors, and this is not an exception 19:31:46 Hydroxide: got it. 19:31:46 even if no actual money would change hands 19:31:57 i agree that we should lift it given their claimed current usage 19:32:28 #info cuit stated they were currently using ~200mbps of their ~240mbps inet2 cap. 19:32:34 wow 19:32:43 would it be worth it to raise for the whole two weeks? 19:32:46 Clint: do you remember that as the same? 19:32:57 yes, but i'm not clear on whether that was specifically summer 19:32:59 that would IIRC put them at the top of the silver bracket, which might be a bit unusual for a nonprofit research ISP etc 19:33:06 I am not sure we need it, need it, but having an internet2 ISP as sponsor is a great precedent 19:33:51 (inclined to go with only DebConf week) 19:33:56 * edrz not involved in sponsorship decisions, just want to see a consensus for and #agreed point and -> next topic. :) 19:34:09 s/and/an/ 19:34:26 is anyone opposed to lifting for that time period? 19:34:32 edrz: only you can do the #agreed... but I think we have consensus 19:35:36 #agreed we request raising inet2 bandwidth cap for July 31st -> August 8th. This puts the inet2 ISP at current top of bronze bracket. 19:35:55 moving on? 19:36:02 anything further from friday's meetings? 19:36:19 (not related to food, which is next topic) 19:37:12 #link summary of food choices http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20100620.172608.a5c0386e.en.html 19:38:34 * edrz tries to remember who was at dinner at 19:38:41 "Kilo" thursday night. 19:39:04 * Clint wasn't invited. 19:39:19 edrz, MrBeige, simonft ... jeremyb ... one more 19:39:29 Clint: sorry ... i don't know if it was planned. 19:39:37 it just "happened" 19:39:47 oh, i couldn't have gone anyway 19:40:18 #info MrBeige simon jeremyb edrz and someone else ate at Kilo thursday night 19:40:21 the food was fine 19:40:29 i have no info on the costs. 19:40:59 #info micah MrBeige edrz Clint ate at JJ Friday lunch and spoke with 2 staff people 19:41:14 * edrz looks for mail link of micah's notes on that. 19:42:57 can't find it. 19:43:07 anyone else present with more info on food stuff? 19:43:36 any thing to discuss or decide now? 19:43:37 edrz: I was the one more 19:43:56 Hydroxide: right. of course. sorry. 19:44:06 np 19:44:25 #info MrBeige simon jeremyb edrz and Hydroxide ate at kilo thursday night. 19:44:36 ok, moving on 19:44:47 #topic bags, banners, t-shirts, other schwag to be bought 19:45:11 this was mentioned in the budget topic as stuff not yet factored in. 19:45:13 yes 19:45:27 does anyone have numbers to document 19:45:28 ? 19:45:45 #info t-shirts have been discussed via email during the last week, and a rough consensus has been reached on colors, designs, etc 19:45:46 or info items to add for the minutes? 19:46:03 #action Hydroxide will follow up with gaby and valessio to implement the design for the t-shirts 19:46:15 #info no final numbers yet for anything under this item 19:46:37 #info discussion occurred on -team 19:46:42 who has been looking at the other printing stuff? 19:46:43 the sponsor logos are all well and accounted for? 19:46:48 #help give any additional relevant thoughts today 19:46:51 or items to be purchased. 19:47:10 edrz: IIRC DrDubius has done some initial inquiry into conference bag pricing but the rest of it hasn't happened yet 19:47:48 ana and I did some back of the envelope numbers and couldn't see the point to sell swag at DC10 but will tkae the discussion to the mailing list 19:47:49 ok. nothing more on this at this time? 19:48:20 DrDubius: sorry, didn't mean to sell, just stuff we need to procure for giving out/stuffing in the bags. 19:48:34 and where to get the bags themselves. 19:48:58 edrz: yup yup. I was mentioning a different, albeit related issue. 19:49:32 #info back of envelope numbers calculated by DrDub and ana suggest no point to trying to sell stuff. 19:49:57 #topic special needs status (wheelchair access, etc.) 19:50:09 Hydroxide sent out a mail a few days ago ... 19:50:56 * edrz not sure what else is needed to be discussed or reported here 19:51:01 anyone? 19:51:35 #topic dc12 19:51:45 #action gwolf commits to coordinate dc12 presentatation stuff for dc10 19:51:54 #topic videoteam stuff 19:52:10 #info 3 1TB drives are in transit from weasel -> edrz 19:52:44 #info PyCon gear offers should cover most needed dvswitch machines & grabbing machines 19:53:21 #info edrz will be building v-t fileserver and encoding machine and delivering to CRF's "coffeeroom" some weeks before debcamp 19:53:43 #info at that time tests will be performed to ensure network issues are all ok. 19:53:52 #topic any other business 19:54:18 we have swag arriving 19:54:26 from sponsors? 19:54:29 magazines, books 19:54:29 and to where? 19:54:33 yeah 19:54:39 or whom ... 19:54:46 err 19:55:01 if it's public 19:55:01 I need to coordinate that 19:55:22 #info swag (magazines, books, etc) is arriving 19:55:24 I'm mentioning it so I don't drop it 19:55:41 I need to get that done ASAP 19:55:46 #action DrDub will coordinate who recieves swag 19:55:55 any other any other business? 19:56:03 we haven't discussed formal dinner much 19:56:31 very well. 19:56:34 discuss. :) 19:57:08 we don't know when to have it or how much it will cost 19:57:13 or where to have it 19:57:29 #help where, when and for what cost to have formal dinner? 19:58:08 #idea caterred formal dinner at close of DebianDay 19:58:34 #idea russian banquet on day trip day 19:58:38 anyone else care to add #idea items? 19:58:58 please note: I know at least one sponsor that was unhappy about money used for that 19:59:09 #idea chinese banquet hall 19:59:29 don't think it is representative, but at least would vouch for a low budget formal dinner 19:59:33 #info at least one sponsor unhappy about money used for banquet. 19:59:46 anything more? 19:59:51 formal dinner 19:59:57 we're about to hit one hour ... 20:00:00 in whatever form should 20:00:00 sapphire: ? 20:00:01 we have "always" had a formal dinner 20:00:14 include traditional american meal/snack/whatever 20:00:15 except for dc7 as far as i know 20:00:16 except dc7 20:00:20 and drinks :) 20:00:34 #idea formal dinner should be traditional american 20:00:36 so, traditional american dish(es) 20:01:14 ok. any thing else? 20:01:21 #topic next meeting 20:01:25 (I like the idea of having it very much myself) 20:01:39 we're over 1 hour now. 20:01:46 2 weeks? same time? 20:01:55 sounds good 20:01:58 this time clearly didn't get much attendance 20:02:02 um, July 4? 20:02:08 ah 20:02:11 not the best date :) 20:02:16 nope 20:02:19 other suggestions? 20:02:39 one week? 20:02:48 July 1st? Canada day? ;-) 20:02:51 3 weeks seems too long at this phase. 20:03:07 * Hydroxide is quite busy on the 24th but has very little else scheduled at all in the relevant timeframe 20:03:28 (key word == scheduled != planned) 20:03:41 I might be on a train next Sunday, but me attending is not crucial 20:04:00 i will likely be unavailable next sunday 20:04:09 one week seems fitting, though 20:04:28 what about saturday? 20:04:38 june 26th? 20:04:39 Sat sounds very good 20:04:46 time? 20:04:51 19:00 utc 20:04:52 ? 20:04:55 same time? 20:04:59 * Hydroxide vaguely thinks he's forgetting something, but whatever, let's go with the 26th 20:05:31 #agreed Next meeting: Saturday, June 26th at 19:00 UTC 20:05:52 thanks to all who attended and prepared notes in advance 20:05:55 #endmeeting