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[20:02:19] &lt;moray&gt; #topic dc9 meeting: 1. sponsorpack<br />
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[20:02:29] &lt;moray&gt; this seems to be done now?  is that correct?<br />
[20:02:35] &lt;moray&gt; has it been sent to anyone yet?<br />
[20:02:35] &lt;h01ger&gt; (#link is automatic if the line starts with http://)<br />
[20:02:47] &lt;Sledge&gt; it's done and has been sent to a few people already<br />
[20:02:50] * h01ger send it to the 4 people requesting it in RT<br />
[20:02:59] &lt;moray&gt; Sledge: great<br />
[20:03:05] &lt;Sledge&gt; I'd like to see the dc8 report too...<br />
[20:03:11] &lt;moray&gt; Sledge: that's the next point :)<br />
[20:03:12] &lt;h01ger&gt; antorecio, have you seen http://www.debconf.org/sponsorpack.pdf ?!<br />
[20:03:15] &lt;antorecio&gt;  send it a few institution and i waiting<br />
[20:03:20] &lt;h01ger&gt; nice!<br />
[20:03:23] &lt;antorecio&gt; yeah, thanks holguer<br />
[20:03:48] * h01ger is trying via rt to activate some old sponsorship contacts but i fear i have to use pestering on irc now<br />
[20:03:53] &lt;moray&gt; so thank you to the people who got this done -- any more we need to say about it?  (there's a later point on sponsors)<br />
[20:04:03] &lt;h01ger&gt; spanish translation? <br />
[20:04:21] &lt;moray&gt; could be useful, *if* someone is working on sponsors who only talk Spanish<br />
[20:04:38] &lt;cek&gt; maybe it is useful<br />
[20:04:51] * h01ger nods. there was also an offer on the list, so maybe followup on this person :)<br />
[20:04:51] &lt;cek&gt; I thought a Spanish guy was working on that<br />
[20:05:18] &lt;cek&gt; Pablo Castellano<br />
[20:05:23] &lt;moray&gt; ok, so can someone poke him?<br />
[20:05:46] &lt;cek&gt; I will do it now<br />
[20:05:58] &lt;moray&gt; thanks<br />
[20:06:23] &lt;moray&gt; #topic 2. debconf8 final report<br />
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[20:06:31] &lt;moray&gt; does someone know the dc8 report status?<br />
[20:06:43] &lt;moray&gt; my vague impression is it's got stuck almost-finished, but hopefully I'm wrong :)<br />
[20:07:17] &lt;h01ger&gt; marga, Tincho, angasule?<br />
[20:07:41] * Tincho here<br />
[20:07:41] &lt;h01ger&gt; afaics the texts are there, it just misses the layout... maybe we should ask valessio? ;-)<br />
[20:08:10] &lt;Tincho&gt; as I said yesterday, we stoppoed after getting the texts<br />
[20:08:11] &lt;moray&gt; Tincho: what's the report status?<br />
[20:08:18] &lt;Tincho&gt; we need to start working on it again<br />
[20:08:24] &lt;Tincho&gt; review and correct texts<br />
[20:08:29] &lt;Tincho&gt; do the layout, etc<br />
[20:08:31] &lt;moray&gt; h01ger: I think some editing is still needed too<br />
[20:09:06] &lt;moray&gt; Tincho: is svn up-to-date?<br />
[20:09:09] &lt;h01ger&gt; layout usually (at least for me) works as motivation. "the result is near" :)<br />
[20:09:13] &lt;angasule&gt; h01ger: just got here<br />
[20:09:26] &lt;Tincho&gt; moray: afaik, yes<br />
[20:09:59] * marga will try to work on it tomorrow<br />
[20:10:01] * h01ger would like to be able to update the dc9 sponsorpack to say "dc8 report available $there" but maybe thats unrealistic<br />
[20:10:06] &lt;moray&gt; ok -- so presumably we should all go and edit stuff if we have any spare time<br />
[20:10:20] &lt;moray&gt; (I'm thinking more of native English speakers there)<br />
[20:10:44] &lt;h01ger&gt; bgupta, ^ :)<br />
[20:10:47] &lt;moray&gt; h01ger: certainly it would be good to send to potential sponsors<br />
[20:11:15] &lt;moray&gt; Tincho/marga: on a related thing, did the conference bags go to the dc8 sponsors before now?<br />
[20:11:23] &lt;moray&gt; or was that waiting for the reports?<br />
[20:11:45] &lt;marga&gt; it's still waiting for reports.<br />
[20:11:48] &lt;moray&gt; right<br />
[20:11:52] &lt;marga&gt; So, it'll go with sponsorpack as well.<br />
[20:11:58] &lt;marga&gt; both report+sponsorpack<br />
[20:12:00] &lt;moray&gt; so please add dc9 sponsor packs, yes<br />
[20:12:29] &lt;bgupta&gt; h01ger: I can provide copy..<br />
[20:12:55] &lt;bgupta&gt; If someone put sit it back into the doc<br />
[20:13:02] &lt;h01ger&gt; https://svn.debconf.org/svn/reports/dc8<br />
[20:13:11] &lt;h01ger&gt; bgupta, cool<br />
[20:13:32] &lt;moray&gt; bgupta: there's a file there saying what needs checked (though probably checking everything is useful, just start with the marked ones)<br />
[20:13:50] &lt;moray&gt; #topic 3. sponsor status<br />
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[20:14:06] &lt;moray&gt; did we manage to recruit any more people for this?<br />
[20:14:21] &lt;moray&gt; how is the current sponsor-finding work going?<br />
[20:14:23] &lt;h01ger&gt; schultmc volunteered and Ganneff said he would add him today<br />
[20:14:48] &lt;moray&gt; there's an agenda point here also about "#929 wants a booth"<br />
[20:14:51] &lt;Sledge&gt; easiest thing for sponsors is to use the list(s) from prevoius years<br />
[20:14:53] &lt;h01ger&gt; nobody (else) replied to my question who reads sponsors@ - though according to the outgoing rt mails, some people should<br />
[20:14:54] &lt;moray&gt; can someone expand that?<br />
[20:15:00] &lt;Sledge&gt; at least as a start<br />
[20:15:02] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; I'm still on the sponsors rt alias from dc7.<br />
[20:15:15] &lt;h01ger&gt; moray, some company wants a booth at debconf<br />
[20:15:27] &lt;moray&gt; Hydroxide: just now, working on this would be a lot more helpful than bringing dc10 stuff slightly forward<br />
[20:15:31] &lt;Sledge&gt; many of the bigger sponsors should be in again this year, but we've left it very late<br />
[20:15:32] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; I will do what I have time for, but shouldn't commit to much at this point in time<br />
[20:15:36] &lt;h01ger&gt; i think, for openday, ok, maybe, but for 7 days of debconf, i'm not really in favor<br />
[20:15:36] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; moray: I'm not doing any dc10 stuff right now<br />
[20:15:40] &lt;moray&gt; it *is* very late, yes :)<br />
[20:15:49] &lt;moray&gt; (er, less happy smiley was meant)<br />
[20:15:56] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; moray: I have my priorities straight :)<br />
[20:16:23] &lt;Sledge&gt; h01ger: who did you send the pack to so far?<br />
[20:16:34] &lt;moray&gt; h01ger: I don't see a big problem with them having a booth through debconf, I think they'd find it a waste of time though<br />
[20:16:39] &lt;Sledge&gt; I'll start a new sponsors table file again<br />
[20:16:51] &lt;h01ger&gt; Sledge, no big names, no previous years sponsors. (dunno what zobel plans ;)<br />
[20:16:56] &lt;Sledge&gt; ok<br />
[20:17:03] &lt;moray&gt; h01ger: so I'd more suggest to them they shouldn't waste their time/effort, possibly mention the quiet-ness of the o'reilly stand before<br />
[20:17:19] &lt;h01ger&gt; the oreily stand was one day<br />
[20:17:22] &lt;h01ger&gt; right?<br />
[20:17:27] &lt;antorecio&gt; there are 5 regional sponsor posible<br />
[20:17:30] &lt;Sledge&gt; h01ger: I've seen them go past in RT, but I *hate* RT and I'm not going to dig; can you forward me a list please?<br />
[20:17:33] &lt;h01ger&gt; one day is also something different than all 7<br />
[20:17:35] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; there are a lot of sponsors who sponsored in dc6 who we haven't seen lately<br />
[20:17:38] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; e.g. IBM<br />
[20:17:39] * Kinnison apologises for his tardiness but was at Tai Chi<br />
[20:17:42] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; we should contact them again<br />
[20:17:53] &lt;Sledge&gt; Hydroxide: well volunteered :-)<br />
[20:18:06] &lt;h01ger&gt; Sledge, uhm. i'm very busy atm and i dont/cant want to play your secretary just because you dont like rt. ask luk ;)^w^w^w :)<br />
[20:18:07] &lt;moray&gt; Kinnison: well, you're just in time to help with sponsor-finding :)<br />
[20:18:34] * Kitty_ waves as a sponsor<br />
[20:18:41] * Sledge hugs Kitty_ <br />
[20:18:42] &lt;h01ger&gt; hi Kinnison! tai chi sounds nice! <br />
[20:18:49] &lt;Sledge&gt; Kitty_: are you feeling rich? :-)<br />
[20:18:52] &lt;moray&gt; Kitty_: have you formally signed up yet?  if not -- please someone arrange that!<br />
[20:18:57] &lt;Kitty_&gt; Sledge: no <br />
[20:19:05] &lt;Kitty_&gt; moray: erm, I am registered on the pentabarf thing<br />
[20:19:14] &lt;Kitty_&gt; and I negotiated sponsorship with Sledge <br />
[20:19:21] &lt;antorecio&gt; i send a mailing to the free software initiatives in Spain, a lot of regional goverments have free software politicien<br />
[20:19:23] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; Sledge: hehe :) I can at least track down stockholm's contact and make sure someone contacts them<br />
[20:19:23] &lt;Kitty_&gt; but I don't think Sledge was sober at the time :p<br />
[20:20:01] &lt;Sledge&gt; antorecio: cool<br />
[20:20:20] &lt;Sledge&gt; Kitty_: I'm sure you offered us 10K Euro :-)<br />
[20:20:29] &lt;bgupta&gt; I assume you guys have established contacts with IBM? If not IBM sponsors one of our local Linux usergroups here in NYC. I can find out who the contact is. (I probably shouldn't lead discussion, but I can make an introduction).<br />
[20:20:40] &lt;Kitty_&gt; lol @sledge<br />
[20:20:54] &lt;Sledge&gt; bgupta: please do<br />
[20:21:00] &lt;h01ger&gt; bgupta, cool & please lead as well! who else if not you?! ;)<br />
[20:21:00] &lt;moray&gt; Kitty_: you laugh as you remember it was a lot more than that?<br />
[20:21:07] &lt;Sledge&gt; the last IBM contacts we had are dry ime<br />
[20:21:16] &lt;Kitty_&gt; moray: heh<br />
[20:21:23] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; yeah, bgupta is good for knowing a bunch of contacts at megacorps with a NYC presence :)<br />
[20:21:33] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; (with a connection to linux)<br />
[20:21:50] &lt;moray&gt; well, at this stage we really need good contacts if big companies are going to respond in time<br />
[20:22:15] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; moray: I'll also check with stockholm since he's the one who handled this pre-dc7<br />
[20:22:20] &lt;moray&gt; the current economic situation is going to make them slower to sign up as well as just less generous<br />
[20:22:28] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; moray: and I'll contact Google again<br />
[20:22:39] &lt;moray&gt; Hydroxide: right<br />
[20:22:56] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; moray: i'm the one who got Google to sponsor for the first time leading into dc7 - of course it was a different economic climate<br />
[20:23:11] &lt;moray&gt; maybe a sponsorship meeting would be a good idea, if a few people are / are interested in working?<br />
[20:23:11] &lt;Sledge&gt; Google should be quite easy, I hope<br />
[20:23:17] * gwolf has got to go... sorry for the practically missed meeting. I'll log and read later :-/<br />
[20:23:18] &lt;Sledge&gt; yeah, sounds like<br />
[20:23:18] &lt;h01ger&gt; mhy, Ganneff: are you in talk with sun? <br />
[20:23:29] &lt;Sledge&gt; h01ger: I'll talk to Sun folks<br />
[20:23:45] &lt;h01ger&gt; coolio<br />
[20:23:45] &lt;Sledge&gt; I can handle the existing sponsors, but any more will need more help<br />
[20:24:00] * h01ger will talk with nokia/maemo<br />
[20:24:11] &lt;Sledge&gt; but as moray says, we need a sponsors meeting<br />
[20:24:12] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; Sledge: would you rather talk to Chris DiBona then? if you have a good personal relationship with him, that might be better than me<br />
[20:24:13] &lt;bgupta&gt; Hydroxide, you are contacting their open source czar I take it? (Chris Dibona)<br />
[20:24:22] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; bgupta: would be, yes. that's who I contacted back in 2006)<br />
[20:24:28] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; s/)/<br />
[20:24:30] &lt;h01ger&gt; Sledge, moray: suggest a time. next monday? 20 utc?<br />
[20:24:32] &lt;Sledge&gt; Hydroxide: yeah, I know Chris and Leslie quite well already through SoC etc.<br />
[20:24:34] &lt;moray&gt; do people know immediately what would be a good time for them?<br />
[20:24:44] &lt;moray&gt; next Monday sounds sensible enough, unless you can all do sooner :)<br />
[20:24:51] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; Sledge: in that case, you would be a better person. I wouldn't say I have a relationship with him like that<br />
[20:24:54] &lt;Sledge&gt; next Monday is good<br />
[20:24:56] &lt;moray&gt; (another week is already a significant wait just now)<br />
[20:24:59] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; next monday is fine<br />
[20:25:02] &lt;moray&gt; right<br />
[20:25:08] &lt;Sledge&gt; I'll mail the list <br />
[20:25:19] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; I'll bug stockholm<br />
[20:25:32] &lt;h01ger&gt; Hydroxide, bgupta: maybe you should have access to sponsor mail alias and rt too?<br />
[20:25:43] &lt;moray&gt; #agreed sponsorship meeting next Monday, people to work as they can before that...<br />
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[20:25:55] &lt;h01ger&gt; time?<br />
[20:26:16] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; h01ger: I do already<br />
[20:26:19] &lt;moray&gt; I was assuming same, or is different better for people<br />
[20:26:25] &lt;moray&gt; the clocks will have changed in Europe<br />
[20:26:31] &lt;bgupta&gt; h01ger: Makes sense. We will certainly need it for DC10, and if I can help out for DC9, that makes sense.<br />
[20:26:35] &lt;h01ger&gt; Hydroxide, \o/ <br />
[20:26:47] * Hydroxide nods at bgupta <br />
[20:27:02] &lt;h01ger&gt; Ganneff, mhy, sgran: please not only add schultmc but also bgupta to sponsors mail alias and rt queue<br />
[20:27:12] &lt;h01ger&gt; Ganneff, mhy, sgran: thank you already! :)<br />
[20:27:30] &lt;moray&gt; Sledge / Hydroxide / h01ger etc.: same time UTC or same time European time?<br />
[20:27:37] &lt;Sledge&gt; same time UTC will do for me<br />
[20:27:45] * h01ger actually too<br />
[20:27:46] &lt;Sledge&gt; I've just mailed that, anyway<br />
[20:27:48] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; moray: same time UTC is good for me<br />
[20:27:50] &lt;moray&gt; right<br />
[20:27:52] &lt;moray&gt; #topic 4. budget status<br />
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[20:28:03] &lt;moray&gt; this was an action from a previous meeting<br />
[20:28:23] * h01ger thinks we need one ;)<br />
[20:28:24] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; so, on the downside, we're behind on budget status stuff. on the upside, I finally got access to alioth svn - believe it or not, alioth password handling is buggy.<br />
[20:28:28] &lt;moray&gt; what's the current status, either from the side of projecting sponsorship or knowing how much we need?<br />
[20:28:41] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; and I've started looking at the budget document from dc8.<br />
[20:28:59] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; I'll send a list of questions to cek this week.<br />
[20:29:06] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; OR<br />
[20:29:12] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; cek: do you have time for a budget meeting this week?<br />
[20:29:20] &lt;cek&gt; ok, Hydroxide <br />
[20:29:45] &lt;cek&gt; Wednesday from 17:00 to 19:00 CET?<br />
[20:30:21] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; cek: hrm, I'm in UTC-4<br />
[20:30:37] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; cek: let's talk a few minutes after this meeting and decide the time?<br />
[20:30:41] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; cek: no need to make everyone else wait<br />
[20:30:44] &lt;cek&gt; ok<br />
[20:30:53] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; cek: then I can get estimates of how much things cost from you<br />
[20:31:23] &lt;h01ger&gt; next point?<br />
[20:31:23] &lt;moray&gt; #topic 5. local legal entity<br />
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[20:31:30] &lt;schultmc&gt; Hydroxide, cek: I'm available until 2100UTC most days fwiw<br />
[20:31:39] &lt;moray&gt; this is related to the budget -- do we know yet what to pass money through locally?<br />
[20:31:43] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; schultmc: gotcha.<br />
[20:31:47] &lt;h01ger&gt; cek, did your lawyers reply?<br />
[20:31:49] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; do we have anyone from debian.es here?<br />
[20:32:06] &lt;cek&gt; h01ger, not yet<br />
[20:32:10] &lt;h01ger&gt; we are thinking about using debian.es, "just" sorting out legal/financial hassles..<br />
[20:32:16] &lt;cek&gt; I send them an email today<br />
[20:32:25] &lt;cek&gt; I sent them an email today<br />
[20:32:30] &lt;h01ger&gt; agi(@d.o) from debian.es might also show up here tonite..<br />
[20:32:34] &lt;h01ger&gt; coolio<br />
[20:32:45] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; cek: would they respond faster to a phone call?<br />
[20:33:07] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; if we are going to be forced to pay taxes with debian.es, then we might have to work hard quickly to find another solution<br />
[20:33:21] &lt;cek&gt; Hydroxide, I will call tomorrow<br />
[20:33:31] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; thanks<br />
[20:33:46] &lt;cek&gt; but within europe there is no problem, If can be a non-profit organization in Europe<br />
[20:34:08] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; we might be able to work with ffis but we have to hurry up and contact them<br />
[20:34:11] &lt;h01ger&gt; we just need to know soon... as sponsor might want to send us money..<br />
[20:34:29] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; h01ger: they can already send to ffis and we can transfer somewhere if need be.<br />
[20:34:34] &lt;Sledge&gt; we need to know as well for DC7 money<br />
[20:34:35] &lt;h01ger&gt; true<br />
[20:34:37] &lt;cek&gt; what about Debian-es?<br />
[20:34:37] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; h01ger: (or SPI if they're not european)<br />
[20:34:47] &lt;Sledge&gt; we want to close that ASAP and have money in the bank yet<br />
[20:34:48] &lt;h01ger&gt; cek, see you inbox. more is not known<br />
[20:34:50] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; cek: if they have the right legal status, Debian-es works<br />
[20:34:54] &lt;cek&gt; ok<br />
[20:35:02] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; cek: yes, see your email from h01ger and me about this<br />
[20:35:04] &lt;h01ger&gt; cek, i didnt see a point in calling agi or jgs..<br />
[20:35:08] &lt;cek&gt; what about Debian-de?<br />
[20:35:19] &lt;h01ger&gt; s/jgs../jfs atm../<br />
[20:35:25] &lt;cek&gt; I saw them already<br />
[20:35:27] &lt;h01ger&gt; cek, thats basically ffis<br />
[20:36:00] &lt;h01ger&gt; #debian.de is just an irc channel :) ffis e.v. is more like SPI and were the german debian crowd is having money<br />
[20:36:37] &lt;cek&gt; ffis ok<br />
[20:36:45] &lt;h01ger&gt; next topic?<br />
[20:36:52] &lt;cek&gt; I think there is no problem in sending them the money<br />
[20:36:58] &lt;moray&gt; yes, I think we don't know the answer yet<br />
[20:37:03] &lt;cek&gt; as they are in the EU<br />
[20:37:06] &lt;h01ger&gt; cek, but we want a spanish entity. it will be easier<br />
[20:37:08] &lt;moray&gt; #topic 6. local team updates<br />
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[20:37:40] &lt;moray&gt; cek: what is the status with the venue and accommodation now?  did you have the meeting you have talked about?  did the formal letter get sent/answered?<br />
[20:37:41] &lt;cek&gt; We already contacted the Junta<br />
[20:37:53] &lt;cek&gt; and we have 3 more people in the local team from Junta<br />
[20:38:35] &lt;h01ger&gt; nice<br />
[20:38:47] &lt;h01ger&gt; are they subscribed to the list? 0:)<br />
[20:38:48] &lt;cek&gt; yes, antorecio contacted with the regional goverment and they will probably pay venue and part of the accomation<br />
[20:38:54] &lt;cek&gt; h01ger, not yet<br />
[20:39:20] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; cek: so they are paying 100% of venue costs?<br />
[20:39:35] &lt;cek&gt; and we get some numbers of how much the accomodation will cost<br />
[20:39:42] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; good.<br />
[20:39:49] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; we need to go over that at the budget meeting in detail<br />
[20:39:51] &lt;cek&gt; Hydroxide, yes<br />
[20:40:09] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; but you have numbers now?<br />
[20:40:20] &lt;cek&gt; yes Hydroxide we have some numbers<br />
[20:40:35] &lt;cek&gt; 30 euros per person/day<br />
[20:40:42] &lt;cek&gt; accomodation and food<br />
[20:40:54] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; is that what they will pay or is that the total cost?<br />
[20:40:58] &lt;cek&gt; 30-35 we need to contact the catering<br />
[20:41:01] &lt;cek&gt; Hydroxide, total cost<br />
[20:41:27] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; and how much will they pay?<br />
[20:41:36] &lt;cek&gt; Hydroxide, still don't know<br />
[20:41:39] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; ah<br />
[20:41:46] &lt;cek&gt; we also need to pay security<br />
[20:41:47] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; can you try to find out by the budget meeting?<br />
[20:41:52] &lt;cek&gt; 150 euros/day<br />
[20:42:05] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; does that give us 24-hour access?<br />
[20:42:20] &lt;cek&gt; Hydroxide, this security is for the residence<br />
[20:42:25] &lt;cek&gt; not for the venue<br />
[20:42:27] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; ah<br />
[20:42:39] &lt;cek&gt; 12 hours from 20:00 till 8:00<br />
[20:42:49] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; ah<br />
[20:42:56] &lt;cek&gt; 20.30 euros per hour<br />
[20:43:07] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; to everyone else: feel free to speak too :)<br />
[20:43:16] &lt;cek&gt; that would give as 24 hours access<br />
[20:43:32] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; cek: we need that if people are sleeping in the residence, right? :)<br />
[20:43:34] &lt;moray&gt; Hydroxide: not much to say besides being worried about how we'll pay for this all<br />
[20:43:47] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; moray: yes, I share that concern, definitely<br />
[20:43:53] &lt;Sledge&gt; do we have any idea of total budget thus far?<br />
[20:43:55] &lt;cek&gt; and for the rest of the people not in the residence food will cost 15 euros/day<br />
[20:44:05] &lt;Sledge&gt; even a finger-in-the-air guess would be useful<br />
[20:44:29] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; well, I can do some simple math now<br />
[20:44:36] &lt;cek&gt; lets see how many local sponsors we get this week<br />
[20:44:42] &lt;moray&gt; 150*14 + 35*300*7 + 35*80*7<br />
[20:44:42] &lt;cek&gt; with the sponsor pack<br />
[20:44:49] * h01ger thinks those details are important but not right now and here. rather for the budget meeting ;)<br />
[20:45:06] &lt;moray&gt; yes<br />
[20:45:08] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; that's ?95200<br />
[20:45:09] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; ok<br />
[20:45:10] &lt;h01ger&gt; (/me would like this meeting to finish in one hour)<br />
[20:45:11] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; let's move on<br />
[20:45:22] &lt;Kinnison&gt; h01ger: haha, good joke<br />
[20:45:23] &lt;cek&gt; and also we will be able to use all the switches, cameras, some PCs for Free from Junta<br />
[20:45:24] &lt;moray&gt; someone also asked about network status<br />
[20:45:35] &lt;moray&gt; I guess they meant the uplink<br />
[20:45:50] &lt;h01ger&gt; Kinnison, which one? we used to be quite successful with having 60min irc meetings<br />
[20:45:53] &lt;cek&gt; we *do* need technical requirements to ask Junta about the hardware we need<br />
[20:46:03] &lt;moray&gt; h01ger: a lot of agenda points today though :/<br />
[20:46:16] &lt;Kinnison&gt; h01ger: s'a long agenda<br />
[20:46:20] &lt;moray&gt; I thought someone was giving the network requirements after the last meeting<br />
[20:46:23] &lt;moray&gt; ?<br />
[20:46:26] &lt;cek&gt; I repeat, we *do* need the technical requirements (switches, PCs, cameras, etc.)<br />
[20:46:26] * h01ger shrugs. just say #endmeeting and decide for another meeting before you do that ;)<br />
[20:46:56] &lt;h01ger&gt; cek, can you send a short mail to the list requesting this please? (its not only videoteam who needs to answer this :)<br />
[20:46:57] &lt;moray&gt; cek: please mail the -team list to ask for this<br />
[20:47:09] * Hydroxide would also like some european videoteam/networking person to attend the budget meeting so that we have an idea of costs for that<br />
[20:47:18] &lt;cek&gt; #info: We need to know the technical requirements (switches, PCs, cameras, etc.)<br />
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[20:47:22] &lt;moray&gt; cek: and someone also asked for details of audiovisual equipment that we can use there<br />
[20:47:34] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; #action cek will email -team requesting the technical requirements<br />
[20:47:38] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; :)<br />
[20:47:42] &lt;cek&gt; thanks Hydroxide <br />
[20:47:52] &lt;moray&gt; which would include whether there are already projectors/screens/speakers/etc. and whether we need to pay extra for those<br />
[20:48:02] &lt;h01ger&gt; (and most of the coming points can be rather short. "RFH" - "discussed last time, we are even doing a bit better now." - "website" - "please get involved. next." ...)<br />
[20:48:05] &lt;moray&gt; again, details should go to the list<br />
[20:48:16] &lt;h01ger&gt; #action does only work from the chair<br />
[20:48:23] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; ah, ok<br />
[20:48:25] &lt;moray&gt; #topic registration/penta<br />
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[20:48:28] &lt;cek&gt; lol h01ger  :P<br />
[20:48:29] &lt;h01ger&gt; (#info does work for everybody)<br />
[20:48:31] &lt;moray&gt; registration opened<br />
[20:48:38] &lt;moray&gt; I don't think we have fancy graphs yet though?<br />
[20:49:09] &lt;Kinnison&gt; Do we have any idea what the take-up thus-far is?<br />
[20:49:13] &lt;Ganneff&gt; make an rt ticket and i look tomorrow afternoon to make graphs<br />
[20:49:20] &lt;Kinnison&gt; as compared with a similar time last year?<br />
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[20:49:20] &lt;h01ger&gt; http://munin.debconf.org/debconf.org/skinner.debconf.org.html#Pentabarf is from last year<br />
[20:49:33] &lt;moray&gt; Kinnison: not without the graphs<br />
[20:49:43] &lt;moray&gt; does anyone have a number at all?<br />
[20:49:47] * h01ger suggests to move on :-p<br />
[20:49:47] &lt;moray&gt; (I'm guessing not)<br />
[20:49:53] &lt;Ganneff&gt; the graphs probably just need some sql changes<br />
[20:49:55] &lt;h01ger&gt; i can make a ticket<br />
[20:50:11] &lt;moray&gt; anything to actually say on the CfP?<br />
[20:50:14] &lt;moray&gt; it got sent AFAIK?<br />
[20:50:18] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; moray: yes<br />
[20:50:22] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; have we received any submissions?<br />
[20:50:29] &lt;moray&gt; we wouldn't expect them until the deadline :)<br />
[20:50:33] &lt;h01ger&gt; tbm asked me to put the cfp on www.debconf.org - could someone please help me with that? (enotime)<br />
[20:50:34] * Kinnison imagines people are in a similar situation to himself<br />
[20:50:41] * Kinnison has about five submission ideas which need refining :-)<br />
[20:51:02] &lt;Kinnison&gt; I do need to know approx numbers of papers and room info so I can start planning the schedule though<br />
[20:51:07] * h01ger has two and should just send them in :)<br />
[20:51:17] &lt;Ganneff&gt; 178 people for dc9 currently<br />
[20:51:37] &lt;Kinnison&gt; Presumably people from the video team will start to feed requirements for the scheduling to me as-and-when they become aware of them?<br />
[20:52:26] &lt;Ganneff&gt; next graph update will show dc9 numbers on all graphs<br />
[20:52:33] &lt;moray&gt; Kinnison: I guess mail the -team list to ask for what rooms there are available too (I don't know if we get all the ones that exist)<br />
[20:52:39] * h01ger cheers Ganneff <br />
[20:52:48] &lt;Kinnison&gt; moray: Nod. I am working up someplans, then I should email the list<br />
[20:52:49] * h01ger closes ticket he just opened<br />
[20:52:53] &lt;Kinnison&gt; can someone stuff a #action for me?<br />
[20:53:17] &lt;h01ger&gt; moray can. Kinnison you can #info yourself <br />
[20:53:21] &lt;moray&gt; #action Kinnison to start looking at schedule / poke people for room and video information<br />
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[20:53:34] &lt;Kinnison&gt; Thanks<br />
[20:53:52] &lt;moray&gt; I made a basic visa letter and invitation letter, but we need to know who will sign it and send them out<br />
[20:53:59] &lt;moray&gt; that needs to be someone in Spain<br />
[20:54:12] &lt;moray&gt; could be the same as the local legal entity<br />
[20:54:24] &lt;moray&gt; cek: your bid said "We can send invitations signed by an Extremaduran Minister and that is usually enough to get the visa."<br />
[20:54:30] &lt;moray&gt; can you still do that?<br />
[20:54:55] &lt;cek&gt; moray, yes we can<br />
[20:55:07] &lt;cek&gt; we need Names and ID card<br />
[20:55:23] &lt;h01ger&gt; \o/<br />
[20:55:37] &lt;h01ger&gt; cek, until that, can you review the letter in svn?! :)<br />
[20:55:49] &lt;h01ger&gt; who will collect names and ids?<br />
[20:56:06] &lt;moray&gt; we might need to send a first version to people *soon* if a few people are hassling us urgently<br />
[20:56:11] &lt;cek&gt; the official letter? we still contacted the General Director, not needed anymore<br />
[20:56:43] &lt;moray&gt; cek: for the visa letters, most people will need them sent physically to them, I guess you realise that<br />
[20:56:44] &lt;h01ger&gt; cek, the letter moray wrote..<br />
[20:56:57] &lt;cek&gt; ohh, ok h01ger I can review it<br />
[20:57:01] &lt;moray&gt; cek: so you need to work out who will physically deal with posting them off to far-away countries :0<br />
[20:57:04] &lt;cek&gt; send me the link<br />
[20:57:50] &lt;moray&gt; it's in SVN currently, unfinished as it needs more info<br />
[20:57:51] &lt;h01ger&gt; cek, svn/debconf-team/dc9/visa/Sponsorship_letter.odt and visa/Invitation_letter.odt <br />
[20:57:58] &lt;moray&gt; I can email you though<br />
[20:58:00] &lt;cek&gt; moray, I think we can send it via email <br />
[20:58:23] &lt;cek&gt; a scanned copy, it worked for the Debian Worksessions of Extremadura<br />
[20:58:29] &lt;moray&gt; the logo got done <br />
[20:58:31] &lt;moray&gt; cek: no<br />
[20:58:39] &lt;moray&gt; cek: some people need real paper things for their visa applications<br />
[20:58:40] &lt;cek&gt; thanks h01ger <br />
[20:58:49] &lt;cek&gt; they can print it moray <br />
[20:58:59] &lt;moray&gt; cek: no, that's not an original signed letter then<br />
[20:59:04] &lt;h01ger&gt; cek, so we will point people requesting visas to you directly?<br />
[20:59:24] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; cek: do you have anyone on your team from the Junta who is experienced in obtaining visas to visit Spain?<br />
[20:59:24] &lt;cek&gt; h01ger, send them to antorecio <br />
[20:59:30] &lt;cek&gt; Hydroxide, me<br />
[20:59:39] &lt;h01ger&gt; cek, ok. word! :)<br />
[20:59:59] &lt;h01ger&gt; #info visa requests should be directed to antorecio via email<br />
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[21:00:08] &lt;cek&gt; I sent invitation letters to Bangladesh, Romania, India, Israel, etc...<br />
[21:00:15] &lt;moray&gt; point the visa email address at him, is better<br />
[21:00:19] &lt;h01ger&gt; who writes summary, btw? <br />
[21:00:36] &lt;moray&gt; the website needs more work, though I added a little extra info today<br />
[21:00:37] &lt;h01ger&gt; moray, which visa email address? visa@debconf.org?<br />
[21:00:53] &lt;moray&gt; h01ger: visa@ or visas@, whichever exists already<br />
[21:01:14] &lt;moray&gt; so if you're still listening -- look at the website and see if you can help add stuff (it's in svn)<br />
[21:01:31] &lt;moray&gt; #topic RFH<br />
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[21:01:36] &lt;moray&gt; which leads into... ^<br />
[21:01:52] &lt;h01ger&gt; moray, i have some mails marked as "put info on the website".. hopefully i'll come around to do that..<br />
[21:02:02] &lt;moray&gt; if you've been paying attention you might notice we're now getting quite close to debconf, and there's a lot of stuff to be done before it<br />
[21:02:25] &lt;moray&gt; I'm sure you'll all try to help, but also see if you can each find some more people to help<br />
[21:02:42] &lt;h01ger&gt; we discussed RFH last time and decided not to craft a call. i just left the topic there in fear, we wouldnt have progress. but we had progress, so... \p/<br />
[21:02:43] &lt;moray&gt; people are more likely to join in if you invite them personally than if we spam everyone<br />
[21:02:59] &lt;moray&gt; #topic next meeting<br />
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[21:03:07] &lt;moray&gt; next meeting in two weeks I guess?<br />
[21:03:14] &lt;moray&gt; cek: would that work for you?<br />
[21:03:19] &lt;Kinnison&gt; 6th April?<br />
[21:03:29] &lt;h01ger&gt; april, 6th, 20utc<br />
[21:03:37] &lt;Sledge&gt; um...<br />
[21:03:37] &lt;cek&gt; sure, moray <br />
[21:03:43] &lt;Kinnison&gt; h01ger: Even given we have the time-shift coming?<br />
[21:04:03] * Kinnison suggests april 6th, 19utc<br />
[21:04:20] &lt;Sledge&gt; before going on to the next meeting, AOB<br />
[21:04:21] &lt;Sledge&gt; ?<br />
[21:04:41] &lt;h01ger&gt; Kinnison, fine with me. but cek & anto should really decide / have more weight<br />
[21:04:42] &lt;bgupta&gt; h01ger: FOr the texts you want me to review.. when do you need it done by... and who should I ask my questions to? (eg: Do you want me to actually edit quotes form non-native english speakers)<br />
[21:04:48] &lt;moray&gt; Sledge: I think people are getting restless, but if you have urgent things, yes<br />
[21:05:04] &lt;Sledge&gt; I've had several questions about accessibility<br />
[21:05:08] &lt;moray&gt; for the time -- yes, traditionally I think we shifted an hour when UTC comes<br />
[21:05:25] &lt;Sledge&gt; I've seen no info at all about that in Caceres yet - can we get some please?<br />
[21:05:30] &lt;Sledge&gt; cek: ^^^ ??<br />
[21:05:42] &lt;h01ger&gt; bgupta, asap/soon. work with marga, Tincho, angasule. i think fixing gramar is fine, meaning obviously not, keep funny expressions :)<br />
[21:05:42] &lt;moray&gt; but I always get confused about timezone calculations, so don't ask me which way we shifted ;)<br />
[21:05:57] * Hydroxide can do 19 utc or 20 utc but not 21 utc<br />
[21:06:06] &lt;moray&gt; Sledge: http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/Extremadura#Conference_Facilities<br />
[21:06:11] &lt;cek&gt; Kinnison, 19 utc is ok for antorecio and me<br />
[21:06:36] &lt;h01ger&gt; bgupta, we would like to show that to sponsors for dc9, so the sooner the better. but we had half a year to do this already, so noone will kill you if you slack. just if you help, that would be really cool<br />
[21:06:49] &lt;bgupta&gt; marga, Tincho, angasule... I can crank it out tonight...<br />
[21:06:52] &lt;Sledge&gt; ok, and rooms and travel etc?<br />
[21:06:58] &lt;cek&gt; Sledge, there is info about Cáceres in the debconf wiki <br />
[21:07:04] &lt;moray&gt; #action next meeting two weeks' time, 19 UTC<br />
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[21:07:22] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic aob - accessibility<br />
[21:07:29] &lt;moray&gt; #topic aob - accessibility<br />
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[21:07:40] &lt;Tincho&gt; bgupta: I'm in the process of moving to a different continent, I really don't have any free time until next week or the other :S<br />
[21:07:58] &lt;h01ger&gt; Tincho, where to?<br />
[21:08:08] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; Tincho -> .fr<br />
[21:08:11] &lt;Tincho&gt; h01ger: france<br />
[21:08:16] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; :)<br />
[21:08:18] &lt;Sledge&gt; we're in danger of leaving accessibility as an after-thought<br />
[21:08:19] &lt;h01ger&gt; ui<br />
[21:08:20] &lt;Sledge&gt; which is not good<br />
[21:08:38] &lt;moray&gt; Sledge: we have been reassured by the locals before that there are no problems for it whatsoever<br />
[21:08:40] &lt;h01ger&gt; Sledge, actually we investigated the venue with that in mind. so thats not really true<br />
[21:08:47] &lt;Sledge&gt; ok, that sounds better<br />
[21:08:58] &lt;Sledge&gt; for people travelling, what's the best arrangements for them?<br />
[21:09:09] &lt;h01ger&gt; there are pics of my shoes and my mobile showing how wide the elevator door is :)<br />
[21:10:03] &lt;Sledge&gt; ...<br />
[21:10:05] &lt;h01ger&gt; Tincho, how do you plan to make the report? oo.o? latex? inkscape? do you need help with that too?<br />
[21:10:14] &lt;angasule&gt; bgupta: sorry, I'm here, I'm available on IRC most of the time (my other nickname is mdambrosio )<br />
[21:10:38] &lt;moray&gt; Sledge: I'd suggest starting a list thread about it, probably other Spain-aware people can comment for the trains etc.<br />
[21:10:40] &lt;bgupta&gt; angasule: WOuld it help if I pulled an allnighter tongiht and took care of those edits?<br />
[21:10:45] &lt;Tincho&gt; h01ger: there was the idea of using the same tool as in the dc7 report... that, or latex, I think<br />
[21:10:46] &lt;Sledge&gt; moray: I guess so<br />
[21:10:51] &lt;Kinnison&gt; Perhaps someone with the info (photos etc) should start a page on debconf.org about site accessibility?<br />
[21:10:56] &lt;h01ger&gt; Sledge, while that was serious, what is the real, concrete question atm? accessibilty of train connection to caceres?<br />
[21:11:14] &lt;h01ger&gt; Kinnison, the pics are on gallery.debconf.org<br />
[21:11:28] &lt;angasule&gt; bgupta: I guess, it's not like I have a life anyway, just to be clear, I'm a native speaker but I'm not from the orga team, I was just a volunteer<br />
[21:11:58] &lt;Kinnison&gt; h01ger: So perhaps it needs bringing together somewhere more intuitive? If Sledge wasn't aware of them...<br />
[21:12:05] &lt;h01ger&gt; so far we have been lacking to get the basics of the conf going, so i'm not surprised we havent put that special page up yet. again: help appreciated. just ask and collect information, and then put that info up on the wiki or web<br />
[21:12:08] &lt;Sledge&gt; h01ger: accessibility to all of it basically<br />
[21:12:10] * Sledge nods Kinnison <br />
[21:12:41] &lt;Sledge&gt; a single page linked from the front, giving summaries of what's possible and what support we can give people would be wonderful<br />
[21:12:45] * h01ger nods Kinnison and Sledge too, but what i just said. saidly, in todays world, visa letters are more important than accessibilty<br />
[21:12:56] &lt;h01ger&gt; Sledge, totally. any takers?<br />
[21:13:05] &lt;h01ger&gt; s/saidly/sadly/<br />
[21:13:07] &lt;Sledge&gt; quite, I'm hoping to get people to care here<br />
[21:13:12] &lt;moray&gt; Sledge: sure, we can add that as soon as you gather the info...<br />
[21:13:28] &lt;Sledge&gt; I don't have the info<br />
[21:13:52] &lt;h01ger&gt; cek, we asked the janitor for exact measurements of the elevators - did you get those yet? could you reask again, please?!<br />
[21:13:54] &lt;Sledge&gt; but I'll prod the list to find what we have<br />
[21:14:09] &lt;Kinnison&gt; Presumably a summary of the meeting will go to -team?<br />
[21:14:12] * Kinnison has to go<br />
[21:14:14] &lt;h01ger&gt; Sledge, please do :) or use rt... cek, do you have an rt account? ;)<br />
[21:14:18] &lt;cek&gt; h01ger, I can reask, but don't know if it will work<br />
[21:14:39] &lt;cek&gt; h01ger, no rt account<br />
[21:14:43] &lt;h01ger&gt; Kinnison, afaik (might have missed it..) we havent agreed / found someone who will write a summary yet...<br />
[21:14:49] &lt;moray&gt; Kinnison: we're still looking for a volunteer to write it, maybe that's you?<br />
[21:14:50] &lt;h01ger&gt; cek, please reask<br />
[21:14:58] &lt;cek&gt; ok<br />
[21:15:01] &lt;Kinnison&gt; moray: I'm awful at meeting summaries, and now I have to go, sorry<br />
[21:15:09] * Kinnison -> out<br />
[21:15:30] &lt;moray&gt; any more AOB?<br />
[21:15:41] &lt;Hydroxide&gt; cek, *: I have to go now unfortunately. I will email you tonight to set up the budget meeting. it would help if some videoteam or networking person could attend too. (i'll CC team, and will probably use doodle)<br />
[21:15:47] &lt;moray&gt; Sledge: or was it only one point?<br />
[21:15:53] &lt;Sledge&gt; that was it from me<br />
[21:15:56] &lt;moray&gt; #endmeeting<br />
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