19:02:29 #startmeeting 19:02:40 i think this is multichair anyway.. 19:02:53 Yeah, I think you can do #chair? 19:02:58 schultmc: I missed that 19:03:02 cek can't come, do we know about anto? 19:03:05 yes, #chair is available 19:03:15 anybody wants to share^wchair with me? 19:03:20 anto waved above. 19:03:25 ah cool 19:03:32 hi moray 19:03:37 anto: hi :) 19:03:42 I can share chair - I'm not at work today despite it being Monday, so I can focus more 19:03:43 hi 19:03:48 as compared to usual 19:03:57 hi an3as 19:04:02 #topic 1. Talk schedule 19:04:07 hi an3as :-D 19:04:56 * h01ger brought up this topic and basically would like to know when there will be a preliminary one... (and if all is fine / there are problems.. ) 19:05:03 Schedule should be my topic 19:05:26 I started on a virtual piece of paper aka three google calendars 19:05:35 these are shared between schedule team members 19:06:01 unfortunately currently I'm the only editor and managed only about 30 talks 19:06:12 whats up with the other volunteers? 19:06:25 an3as, so you need help? 19:06:30 I hope to get about half the talks scheduled until Friday - but without the help of others we will be quite late 19:06:33 yes 19:06:48 They claimed that they will help on scheduling ... 19:06:49 MrBeige, is there a translated (to .es) channel again? 19:06:51 we had more volunteering for this. any news whats up wioth them? 19:07:08 hah. MrBeige is not here 19:07:31 hi 19:07:32 To my knowlegde we are three schedulers 19:07:48 #debconf-team-es 19:08:06 * MrBeige actually just got out of his meeting but will be semi-here 19:08:13 #info scheduling is going slow, only one out of 3 volunteers is working on it. 19:08:18 yes, #debconf-team-es is working 19:08:51 #info anybody willing and able to help scheduling talks? 19:08:54 The others are Daniel Silverstone and Vanessa Gutierrez 19:09:04 didnt bubulle volunteer in worst case? ;) 19:09:09 or such 19:09:12 I'm at the PC, but busy with work stuff, if you need anything from me, please ping. 19:09:34 What's involved? Though I don't think I can offer any time this week. 19:09:39 an3as: they're out of contact, or just busy? 19:09:52 (the other people who volunteered before) 19:10:05 They confirmed that they see the published calendar ... that's all 19:10:14 I intended to ping them today afer the meeting 19:10:21 Noodles, making up a talk schedule.. deciding whats interesting, what fits, speaker availability.. 19:10:24 right, sounds a good idea to ping them a bit more actively 19:10:35 h01ger: no. not deciding whats interesting. 19:10:40 Noodles: Do you have a gmail account? 19:10:43 h01ger: that is long done already. 19:10:44 an3as: how about mailing -team or -discuss with a job description? 19:10:47 Daniel was originally ready to lead the schedule stuff, so I would be surprised if he's not interested in helping now 19:10:48 If not I created a dummy 19:10:49 Ganneff, ok 19:11:02 dam: Yes - as I said I'll do this today. 19:11:12 an3as: Yes. 19:11:22 an3as: n00dl3z@gmail.com (I'm so elite) 19:11:29 its just that we should come out with a schedule rather soon, as some people actually (would like to) plan their travel according to it 19:11:37 anyway, next topic? 19:11:44 Moray: Yes, Daniel made many suggestions - but now he did not worked on this. 19:11:55 debconf-team: 3 ana committed revision 948 to debconf-team: last reconfirm. Everybody is reconfirmed now \o/ 19:11:55 debconf-team: files changed: U dc9/people_travel.ods 19:12:18 #topic 2. Printed proceedings 19:12:40 who is working on this? 19:13:03 no one, as far as I know 19:13:34 we gave people a deadline to upload stuff to penta 19:13:40 Noodles: You should see three calendars - one for each talk room 19:14:03 I do. 19:14:08 We can discuss after the meeting. 19:14:23 Noodles: fine 19:14:32 has someone got that papers deadline to hand? 19:14:49 #info proceedings are not being worked one. papers have been uploaded to penta, someone needs to work on this.. 19:15:14 * Hydroxide shouldn't commit to anything more for dc9 at the moment, unfortunately 19:15:29 moray, its appearantly not on the website 19:15:35 h01ger: I think probably not 'have been' yet, though I can't remember the exact deadline 19:15:40 #info paper deadline is not on the website.. 19:15:43 h01ger: no, we sent a mail to talks people 19:15:50 ah 19:16:05 if someone has a talk they can find the deadline more quickly than me :) 19:16:05 #topic 3. Open Day 19:16:15 Same with schedule here 19:16:24 Gunnar made a raw proposal. 19:16:47 I did read this and have no further comments 19:16:49 an3as, url? that was on the list, right? 19:16:56 Tassia is out of this 19:17:05 h01ger: only per mail 19:17:13 Seeking for archive ... 19:17:16 the announcement-of-open-day stuff, as discussed elsewhere, is more urgent just now 19:17:33 the precise schedule of the open day can be done at the last moment if needed 19:17:56 moray: Probably yes - even if I do not really like this 19:18:01 now i speak whith HP, Junta, Telefónica, Comparex for this issues (for talks) 19:18:11 #info http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20090613.000701.c38ba3bd.en.html 19:18:28 moray, no, it shouldnt be done at the last moment. we want to invite people, tell the press 19:18:32 i tell them upload in penta, someone has done 19:18:35 a week in advance would be good 19:18:40 at least 19:18:59 sure 19:19:22 24 days left until DebCamp, 31 days left until DebConf! 19:19:22 anto, be sure to also tell committee@debconf.org 19:19:43 Ganneff: which reminds me, we should probably clarify the countdown on the web page to be more accurate 19:19:46 an3as, can you do scheduling for openday too, based on gunnars list? 19:19:56 Hydroxide: do it 19:20:11 Ganneff: ok :) is the script in the svn? 19:20:18 re last subject: paper submission deadline in penta according to the mail: "by midnight on Friday 3 July" 19:20:19 i think so 19:20:25 Gunnar's proposal for Open Day schedule: 19:20:30 http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20090613.000701.c38ba3bd.en.html 19:20:33 yeah, just found it 19:20:54 gregoa: thanks 19:21:01 #info paper submission deadline in penta according to the mail: "by midnight on Friday 3 July" 19:21:05 an3as, can you do scheduling for openday too, based on gunnars list? 19:21:20 (so we have a little while to get proceedings volunteers before then) 19:21:33 * h01ger bows and waves to gregoa 19:22:18 h01ger: Yes: I can move this to the calendars - at least the english language talks 19:22:29 I would not like to schedule spanish talks 19:22:36 an3as, no 19:22:39 either all or none 19:22:47 it doesnt make sense to only schedule half the day 19:23:02 Well, isn't it rather "half the rooms" 19:23:25 IMHO it makes no sense to just fit a number of talks in a row without knowing the topic 19:23:41 whatever, double scheduling makes no sense 19:23:56 an3as: I think (a) you can tell from the jargon/buzz words that will be the same in any language, and (b) as you like Google tools so much, use their translator too 19:24:01 i can schedule spanish talks, i think the same that Ganneff 19:24:01 If there is a volunteer for scheduling Open Day - it's perfectly fine for me 19:24:24 an3as, can you create an account for anto so that he can schedule? anto@debian-community.org or /msg please ;) 19:24:27 cool 19:24:46 English and Spanish shouldn't be scheduled completely independently 19:24:53 #info anto will help an3as scheduling open day in spanish and english 19:25:03 (but anyway, that's too much detail for this meeting) 19:25:14 #topic 4. Money Tracking (making sure attendees paid, making sure we know which sponsors have money deposited in the bank accounts) 19:25:25 if i'm too fast, please tell :) 19:25:42 ok, theoretically I should start getting up to speed on this item 19:25:51 who should I be coordinating with? 19:25:56 schultmc: ping 19:25:56 I've been tracking the FFIS/clicknpledge attendee payments. 19:26:01 Noodles: good 19:26:10 And updating Penta. 19:26:32 I've seen a single sponsor payment in the FFIS reports I think. 19:26:53 For those who have no gmail account: 19:26:57 Hydroxide, so you're the tracker? ;) then you should get ffis account dumps via Ganneff or me.. 19:27:08 h01ger: yeah 19:27:08 Hydroxide: pong 19:27:09 joey.scheduler@googlemail.com / debconf9 19:27:12 all sponsors in Extremadura pay our providers, no deposited in FFIS 19:27:12 an3as, please send a mail. we moved on 19:27:37 an3as, this is now public with write access. or did you change that? 19:27:44 schultmc: I think it would make sense to track things in ledgersmb. are we ready to put things in there? 19:27:48 #info all sponsors in Extremadura pay our providers, no deposited in FFIS 19:27:52 schultmc: as we started to do a while ago 19:27:53 write access, yes 19:28:04 Hydroxide: yeah, we're probably ready 19:28:27 schultmc: ok. shall we spend a bit of time on that after this meeting? 19:28:31 I'm not at work today so I can do that 19:28:48 Hydroxide: I need to do some work stuff after the meeting but I'll try to multitask 19:28:51 ok 19:28:54 sounds goodenough 19:28:59 Hydroxide: I also need to leave at 1700 EDT 19:29:02 ok 19:29:10 #info schultmc and Hydroxide are tracking money status 19:29:13 h01ger: I'll ping you about FFIS stuff 19:29:24 fine 19:29:39 anything else on this topic? 19:29:46 no 19:29:49 an3as: oh sure, make it writeable for the whole world... 19:29:55 topic 5. Insurance for equipment (and liability) 19:30:12 Ganneff, an3as: please discuss this outside the meeting... 19:30:18 Yep 19:30:36 h01ger: missing # ? 19:30:37 cek said he would work on insurance.. 19:30:42 #topic 5. Insurance for equipment (and liability) 19:30:43 cek said he would work on insurance.. 19:30:46 moray, thx 19:30:55 apparently we need this for Ben Hutchings's employer 19:31:03 as per email 19:31:06 Ganneff, the tk stuff also needs to be covered? and the stuff ben brings. anything else? 19:31:45 we need it anyway, but yes Ben's requirement makes it urgent 19:31:57 we'll need to tell what, too :) 19:32:23 so lets start a list in svn and then give that to $insurance_company... 19:32:37 -team or -data? 19:33:03 I'd lean toward -team 19:33:03 it shouldn't be completely public 19:33:26 #info someone has to start a list what we need to insure and put it into -team svn 19:33:31 (besides anything else, not good for everyone (non-Debian) to find out what expensive hardware we have) 19:33:38 #info h01ger will ping ben about his employers stuff 19:33:41 moray: that was basically my thought 19:33:43 Ganneff reads here :) 19:33:58 #info cek said he would look into insurance 19:34:09 #topic 6. Payment for partial debconf week? (see list message) 19:34:19 Who was this? 19:34:34 Message-ID: 19:34:53 Kai? 19:34:58 message was sent about a week ago but got delayed until yesterday by the list 19:35:01 yes 19:35:18 €90? 3 * €30? 19:35:20 in FdS we pay per night, or rather our sponsor 19:35:25 For accommodation only that is. 19:35:28 in MT we have a flatrate :) 19:35:39 He arrives after 23rd, so it's FdS. 19:35:40 300/7*3? 19:36:11 h01ger: I think so, yes 19:36:15 A single room is €30/night I thought? 19:36:26 +food i guess 19:36:35 he asked about food too 19:36:52 "For accomodation and food I've tried to specify in the penta system," which *probably* means he wants both 19:37:00 Which is €16.05/day? 19:37:11 whats wrong with 300/7*$days? 19:37:33 Noodles, i think the _quote_ we got was 15e+VAT/day 19:37:40 h01ger: Which is 16.05. ;) 19:37:47 ?o/ :) 19:37:50 almost :) 19:38:19 Noodles, i'd say: you are rooms@, you decide. next topic. agreed? 19:38:26 I don't think we need to discuss this down to the cent in the meeting anyway 19:38:53 I think the raw cost to us is €138 for food + room. I'll mail him. 19:39:02 #topic 7. Fixing categories of participants. 19:39:44 is that the issues we see here and there? 19:40:17 yes 19:40:22 (I'd have guessed "categories of participants" means volunteer/organiser/DD/etc., but I don't know who added this) 19:40:23 There are a bunch of Corporate/Professional/Early reg people who have "I will arrange my own accomodation" selected, instead of "Regular Room". 19:40:43 Noodles, and dont want that? 19:40:46 I thought they were already emailed to check? 19:40:51 It doesn't quite make sense. 19:40:54 I fear that all of these people that need to be moved to independent, and they will fall through the cracks 19:40:55 They were. 19:41:03 I thought they were already checked, yeah 19:41:06 so why doesn't it make sense? 19:41:25 lots of people who are having their company pay or are able to afford it themselves might prefer a more comfortable hotel room 19:41:26 Because Early Reg only makes sense if you have a room, otherwise you're Non Hosted. 19:41:34 (and me trying to follow up on all of them was getting too time-consuming or frustrating so I decided te stop) 19:41:45 I think I need to email the people left over. There are 7 with dates. 19:41:51 MrBeige, oh 19:41:59 so I hope someone manages 19:42:04 I thought they *were* emailed? there's a group who haven't been? 19:42:07 I think I have had all of them send them to noodles 19:42:14 #info people have been mailed about being in wrong categories but the replies have not been dealt with 19:42:16 s/send/send email/ 19:42:19 moray: They've all been emailed. 19:42:24 is that accurate? ^ 19:42:25 Noodles: I don't think we were that clear about what to do if your company wants a price that it's supposed to pay for your attendance but you want to stay in a hotel room 19:42:34 Noodles: even if NHI + donation is the answer 19:42:35 Noodles: good, i'm leaving you to follow up on them 19:42:38 Hydroxide: Yeah, that's possibly the case. 19:42:53 MrBeige: Sure. 19:43:00 Hydroxide: I think it would have been 'clear' just to choose the professional fee and to get a hotel 19:43:04 as we didn't say anything else 19:43:09 #info noodles will follow up on this 19:43:14 Noodles, why does "I will arrange my own accomodation" not make sense for early regs/corp/profs and why does only "non-hosted" make sense. and whats the diff anyway? 19:43:15 some corporate people who have been invoiced specifically told me that they were arranging their own accommodations 19:43:15 I'm going to blog about the first room draft after the meet to try that avenue of getting people to notice. 19:43:18 moray: I agree, but apparently there's disagreement here 19:43:30 Hydroxide: right, but I thought we *already* mailed them all to check! 19:43:35 moray: I thought so too 19:43:43 * h01ger thinks we need to mail them again if we really mailed them and then ignored their replies :-/ 19:43:48 I suppose the worry is people being left without a room. 19:43:48 (specifically, this included one corporate and two professional, who were arringing their own accom) 19:43:49 I don't really want us to discourage people from giving money 19:43:56 I don't wnat anyone turning up and finding they have nowhere to sleep. 19:43:59 moray: I share your confusion about why we're all still confused :) 19:44:08 Noodles: but we emailed them??? 19:44:09 * MrBeige leaves discussion 19:44:18 moray: Yes, we emailed them. Well done. 19:45:03 Anyway. There are 7 people I will email. 19:45:17 AIUI it, we emailed them (well done), they replied, we didnt. (not well done). right? wrong? but this only affects 7 people. ok. right? :) 19:45:28 Let's move on. ;) 19:45:47 Noodles, its more or less the last regular topic :) we have time :-D 19:45:54 next point? ;) 19:45:55 h01ger: I'd like to konw who we're emailing really, I mean if it's that situation or not -- if they replied why do we need to ask again? 19:46:08 Oh, I want to know if there are any people who've been given travel sponsorship but aren't listed as needing a room yet. 19:46:16 it seems like there must be some reason people are worried about this 19:46:19 #info Noodles is fixing categories of participants 19:46:46 moray, because of mails of people asking? friends telling.. 19:46:51 moray: I am worried about ensuring people do not end up in a foreign country with nowhere to sleep even if it's because they don't read their email. 19:47:11 Or because they can't drive Penta. 19:47:31 * h01ger cheers Noodles 19:47:32 #topic 8. Next Meeting 19:47:36 Noodles: but h01ger just said "we emailed them (well done), they replied, we didnt", which makes it sound like they alrady ready it 19:48:09 Noodles: I can understand poking people again if they never replied, but that's not what h01ger was saying 19:48:27 i might got it wrong from what was said here... 19:48:46 topic next meeting, do we need/want weekly meetings now or is one in two weeks still enough? 19:48:50 (though I wouldn't phrase the mails as if they've chosen something 'wrong' in penta, it's perfectly valid to get a hotel but want to donate and we shouldn't scare them off) 19:48:57 i'm tempted (hah) to go for weekly now 19:49:06 Are we not weekly as it is? 19:49:11 h01ger: what would happen to the local team meetings in that case? 19:49:20 h01ger: you might have got it wrong, I was hoping Noodles would clarify 19:49:25 so its .en/.es :) 19:49:40 sounds good to me 19:50:35 #agreed localteam meeting in spanish next week again, globalteam meeting in .en in 2 weeks. same day+time 19:50:48 \o/ 19:50:49 #topic 9. AOB 19:50:51 I don't see any need to continously restate the same thing when it's me who has to take the action either way. 19:51:07 We haven't had email from all the people who are "slightly odd" in their state though. 19:51:34 anto, news on day trip / formal dinner? 19:51:56 anto: did you manage to help Christian and Sha with visa stuff today? 19:51:57 no news 19:52:13 not yet 19:52:13 t-shirts back: mission acomplished. PDF in Gaby's hands. any new bronze+sponsors don't get on the t-shirt 19:52:20 crap 19:52:33 what can we do about getting Sha the needed letter *now*? 19:53:07 #info t-shirts are doing fine. final PDFS are thanks to dam in Gaby's hands. any new bronze+sponsors don't get on the t-shirt 19:53:12 dam, +higher neither.. 19:53:30 h01ger: thats bronze+ 19:53:32 if he doesn't get it today, he might not attend 19:53:39 (Sha) 19:53:48 exactly 19:53:49 Ganneff, gah/lol. i read bronze+silver sponsors :) 19:54:00 and it's already tomorrow in Shanghai 19:54:08 anto: can you do it NOW for sha? 19:54:46 anything else? 19:55:35 can someone write a summary? 19:56:34 anto: ?? 19:56:46 'anything else': do we know if Kai getting numbers in penta choices was the same problem as was solved before, or something different? 19:57:03 anto: sha needs the visa stuff *NOW* or he wont attend, solely because of this. can you do it now? 19:57:36 ok 19:58:13 anto: he has his visa interview today/tomorrow (Tuesday in Shanghai) 19:58:19 * h01ger thanks everybody for attending and making this meeting short & productive \o/ 19:58:24 this night send it 19:58:25 woo 19:58:28 Are we free? ;) 19:58:31 anto: thanks 19:58:36 #endmeeting