18:59:46 #startmeeting 18:59:51 evening 19:00:04 Anto: estás? 19:00:13 h01ger: are you with anto and/or cek? 19:01:18 * marga is not sure if we should ping everybody 19:01:37 Anyway, agenda at http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf9/Meetings 19:01:40 probably not, especially if we lack actual local team people 19:01:43 * Sledge waves 19:02:45 hay alguien aquí? 19:03:10 Nadezhda: hola! 19:03:15 Marga! 19:03:19 hola :) 19:03:49 Envié un correo a debconf-team el viernes pasado pero como no soy miembro no ha pasado... 19:03:50 Nadezhda: estamos esperando si aparencen anto/cek. 19:04:03 es respecto al color de las playeras 19:04:05 Nadezhda: el de los colores de las remeras? 19:04:10 sip! 19:04:11 Nadezhda: si, hay una votación en curso. 19:04:25 http://doodle.com/brwx8ucf8ypsu529 19:04:39 a perfecto... 19:05:19 Doodle está fuera de línea ahora 19:05:46 Si, es verdad. A mí me anduvo hace un rato. 19:06:27 en fin, quería estar segura de hubieran recibido mi correo... Me espero a los resultados. 19:06:36 moin moin 19:06:47 estoy in el casa de anto 19:06:48 H01ger! 19:06:50 :D 19:06:55 Nadezhda! :) 19:07:06 Nadezhda: ok. 19:07:27 perdón por el retraso 19:07:28 h01ger: can you get him on here too then? 19:07:32 ah, too late :) 19:07:37 holas a todos 19:07:38 well.. I'm going to eat! 19:07:55 Good luck to everybody :) 19:07:57 schultmc: you opened the doodle poll for the t-shirt colors, is there any estimated time for when it closes? 19:08:00 a donde es la agenda? ;) 19:08:01 Anto: holas. 19:08:11 h01ger: ya lo dije antes: http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf9/Meetings 19:08:20 Bueno, empezamos 19:08:25 marga: I didn't set a close date iirc - I can check when they're back online 19:08:32 #topic Status ISP/Network 19:08:54 Anto: tenemos definido exactamente qué nos va a dar Telefónica? 19:09:17 he enviado la ukltima propuesta a telefónica, 20mg/Mg ebn muñoz torrero y 2 lineas de adsl en FdS 19:09:31 creo que accederan a lo que les pidamos 19:09:34 Anto: 20 mg/Mg ? 19:09:46 como contraprestación me piden una charla en el Debian Open day 19:09:54 Anto: sobre qué tema? 19:10:01 sobre morfeo 19:10:08 es una comunidad de software libre 19:10:10 Anto: ok. 19:10:31 Bueno, hay que cargarla en el sistema y eso. 19:10:38 si, ya se lo comento 19:10:43 Ok, bárbaro 19:10:54 does it have to be debianday or is debconf fine as well? 19:10:57 Anto: me decís qué significa 20 mg/Mg por favor? 19:11:12 20 megas de subida y 20 de bajada 19:11:13 h01ger: I think openday is better. Many sponsors want talks on that day.} 19:11:17 Ah, ok. 19:11:19 hay fibra optica 19:11:32 en MT solo 19:12:19 #INFO What we requested from Telefonica: 20 Mb Upload/Download. They are very likely to accept to give that for free, in exchange for a talk about a free software community (Morfeo) during Open Day. 19:12:51 #INFO In FdS we would have only a couple of ADSL lines, since there's no fiber there. 19:13:06 #TOPIC Status: Equipo para el Video Team 19:13:07 marga, entiondo. y eso es por que pienzo if/when its a good idea :) 19:13:24 s/entiondo/entiendo/ 19:13:37 h01ger: I'm not sure why this topic is in the local team meeting. 19:13:54 h01ger: can you please clarify? 19:14:01 right. regarding topic... ;) 19:14:03 it was about, what facilities video team has or need 19:14:08 * MrBeige added it 19:14:31 * h01ger thinks network at FdS is not important. there should be some, but thats it 19:14:42 * Noodles agrees with h01ger. 19:15:30 Anto: sabés qué hay planeado con respecto al video team? Dónde alquilar equipos, ese tipo de cosas? 19:15:52 presumably anto and holger can talk about this offline too :) 19:15:56 marga, the talk telefonica (or others) want, can also be scheduled in the 2nd room 19:15:59 tenemos material que nos cede la junta y fundecyt tb 19:16:10 necesito una lista de necesidades 19:16:22 ya me la pasa holguer, aprovecho que le tengo a ki 19:16:22 * h01ger has "cameras+stuff" on his agenda to talk/solve here... 19:16:29 holger: can you do the list while you're there then? 19:16:39 Ok. 19:16:44 y si no nos lo prestan se donde los podemos alquilar 19:16:47 http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/User:H01ger#my_todo 19:17:02 #ACTION Anto and h01ger solve the video team needs while h01ger is there. 19:17:09 #TOPIC Status: Venue 19:17:15 Anto: Esto sería MT. 19:17:24 si, todo en la MT 19:17:32 está todo bajo control 19:17:38 Anto: ya está todo arreglado para tener los salones, los hacklabs, el comedor, todo en MT ? 19:17:49 si, todo solucionado 19:17:55 Ok, bárbaro :) 19:17:57 a map would be nice for planning 19:18:12 Si, es verdad, y una descripción de los lugares. 19:18:13 * h01ger will try to get a basic "map" :) 19:18:17 Ok. 19:18:20 we also need it for video 19:18:23 h01ger: indeed 19:18:24 and network 19:18:29 #ACTION h01ger will try to get a map from the venue. 19:18:44 #INFO Everything else is arranged and going well. 19:18:51 el miercoles vamos a hablar con el director y ver todos estos asuntos 19:18:51 #TOPIC Status: habitaciones 19:19:07 today was the deadline for updates I think? 19:19:14 Anto: con los números que tenemos, nos alcanza justo con MT y FdS. 19:19:17 moray: yes. 19:19:20 so will we actually close down changes? 19:19:28 si, de momento nos alcanza bien 19:19:30 Noodles would like it, I think :) 19:19:32 201 people with lodging 19:19:47 moray: we have the issue of the travel sponsorship people. Apart from that, yes. 19:19:47 Noodles and I were thinknig of sending another email saying "final chance for updates" to everyone, not just those missing dates 19:19:52 si, tenemos 215 19:20:03 * h01ger agrees with MrBeige 19:20:03 y podemos reservar más en el albergue municipal 19:20:10 Si, y tenemos 201 inscriptos + 9 posibles excepciones. 19:20:25 Anto: está bien tenerlo como opción, pero en principio (por suerte) no va a hacer falta. 19:20:28 Antonio, ¿es posible reservar sólo una parte de las habitaciones en la FDS? 19:20:29 MrBeige: I'm not sure you really should invite more, we're already long after the deadlines... 19:20:35 ok marga 19:20:46 TransBot, si 19:20:47 h01ger: Error: "si" is not a valid command. 19:20:52 jaja 19:20:55 jeje 19:20:55 juas 19:20:56 hah 19:21:15 Ok, pero reservar sólo una parte es un riesgo. 19:21:32 Ahora, otra pregunta... Hay varios que llegan un día antes: habrá lugar en MT para quienes lleguen un día antes? 19:21:33 which should be the final dates for room/date changes? 19:21:41 si reservamos tenemos que pagar 19:21:44 Si hay que pagarlo, cuánto costaría? 19:21:57 marga, si, ponemos. nada afaik 19:22:00 h01ger: Noodles was thinking next sunday. We could do by this thursday or friday, I think 19:22:01 el albergue alojamiento y desayuno 18 € 19:22:05 h01ger: Sooner the better, next Sunday (21st) as the latest. 19:22:12 Anto: qué pasó con el patrocinio de la junta? 19:22:19 h01ger: since they *should* already be in there and have plans made 19:22:24 nos dan solo 30000 19:22:27 MrBeige: rather than inviting changes, I'd suggest a 'this is what you have' mail, and see if people panic when they see it 19:22:30 MrBeige, Noodles: yes 19:22:32 no nos llega para el catering 19:22:39 moray: yes, it would be like that 19:22:42 Anto: pero nos dan MT gratis, no? 19:22:45 * h01ger nods morays suggestion 19:22:48 si si 19:22:51 Anto: o con esos 30 mil tenemos que pagar MT? 19:22:54 Can we lock Penta from allowing dates changes? 19:22:55 moray: yes 19:22:59 no, MT es gratis 19:23:00 MrBeige, Noodles: who of you will write it? ;) 19:23:03 Do that and send a mail saying "If you need it changed, mail rooms@"? 19:23:04 Anto: ok. 19:23:07 h01ger: we are working together on it 19:23:14 yes, we can lock penta. mail admin@dc.o please 19:23:18 Noodles: when do you want that to happen? 19:23:21 Anto: ok, y con respecto a llegar antes? 19:23:26 no hay problema 19:23:31 Ganneff: I'll send mail; I think MrBeige and I need a chat after the meeting. 19:23:35 Noodles: mail us and tell exactly which fields you want/need locked 19:23:47 Anto: habrá lugar en MT el día anterior (no recuerdo si el día problemático es el 16 o el 15)? 19:24:06 si, marga sin problema 19:24:07 debconf-team: 3 93sam committed revision 922 to debconf-team: updated SoC student travel details 19:24:07 debconf-team: files changed: U dc9/people_travel.ods 19:24:12 Anto: ok. 19:24:17 next topic? 19:24:24 #INFO There's space for early arrivals at MT. 19:24:33 Anto: no me quedó claro si hay que pagarlo o es gratis. 19:24:47 es gratis 19:25:05 marga: do we have to get all rooms in FdS, or can we reserve less? 19:25:06 #INFO There's also place for more people at the county hostel, for € 18 the night, with breakfast. 19:25:10 la MT es de la junta, solo tenemos que pagar la seguridad y algunos productos de limpieza 19:25:26 MrBeige: we can reserve less, but what we reserve, we have to pay. 19:25:33 Anto: tenemos presupuesto de eso? 19:25:42 marga: ok. So, we need it accurate as fast as possible 19:25:49 #INFO At MT we only have to pay security and part of the cleaning. 19:25:52 la seguridad había presupuesto ya 19:26:07 para los productos de limpieza con 300 € sobra 19:26:12 Anto: ok. 19:26:21 #INFO 300 € for the cleaning stuff. 19:26:29 #TOPIC Status: comida 19:26:56 Anto: esto creo que ya estaba cerrado, la única duda que nos había quedado era con lo de con/sin desayuno. Pudiste hablar al respecto? 19:27:13 tengo que volver a reunirme con el catering para esto, he estado fuera de caceres estos dias 19:27:18 Ok 19:27:42 y para actualizarles los datos, yo siempre hablé de mas gente, no creo que haya problema 19:27:47 Ok. 19:28:19 Nosotros estaríamos pagándole la comida a ~ 160 personas. 19:28:38 ok, y los demás tambien comerian en el catering ok? 19:28:38 Pero unos cuantos van a querer comer en el mismo sitio, pagándose la comida. 19:28:46 for the people we pay for, will we pay for the maximum possible (everyone eating every meal), or only what people use? 19:29:04 Anto: cómo son las condiciones de pago al de la comida? 19:29:17 and what about the people who want to pay themselves, do they need to 'book in' for meals or just turn up? 19:29:33 Noodles, how many people are at debconf in average? 180? 19:29:37 en total mis calculos ahora son 80 personas para debcamp y una media de 220 personas en debconf 19:29:50 Noodles, (with eating needs :) 19:29:57 Anto: está bien. 19:30:00 en principio lo pagaba la Junta pero con 30000 no nos llega 19:30:28 creo que el Gabinete de Iniciativa Joven puede pagar el resto o Cenatic también 19:30:37 Anto: pero nosotros sólo le pagamos la comida a unos 160 durante DebConf, los otros se lo pagarán por su cuenta. 19:31:07 Junta + Cenatic+ Gabienete de iniciativa joven= 36000 19:31:22 ok, si para 160 personas creo que tenemos suficiente 19:31:37 Van a pagar por nuestra comida? 19:31:54 si, MrBeige 19:32:01 Anto: lo que queremos saber es: 1) cómo son las condiciones de pago a la empresa de la comida? (por adelantado, por día, etc). 2) La gente que vaya a comer y no lo tenga pago, lo puede avisar en el momento o lo tiene que hacer con anticipación? 19:32:09 h01ger: I don't have the food figures nicely available (too many fields to add for too many days ;). 160 looks roughly right for sponsored food though. 19:32:10 wow! que es grande 19:32:50 Noodles, but how many in total want sponsored food and eat there too, while paying? 19:33:13 h01ger: 160 want sponsored food, and 80 will pay... But not necessarily _there_ 19:33:21 ah 19:33:23 h01ger: the system doesn't allow to choose "I'll eat somewhere else" 19:33:29 * h01ger nods 19:33:32 the system sux 19:33:41 and we know some sponsored people will eat elsewhere anyway some of the time 19:33:47 (generally more as the week goes on) 19:34:24 next topic? 19:34:36 h01ger: I'm waiting for Anto's answers. 19:34:55 what answers? 19:35:06 Anto: los dos puntos 1) y 2) que te pregunté más arriba. 19:35:13 ok, perdona 19:35:32 si lo paga todo la junta lo pagará despues mediante transferencia 19:36:17 para la gente que no esta esponsorizada podemos ver como lo hacemos o cada uno paga un bono en el comedor cada dia o alguien se encarga de recoger ese dinero y pagar al catering 19:36:48 avisaremos el dia de antes las previsiones 19:36:49 Anto: nosotros queremos tener la menor cantidad de tareas posibles. 19:37:04 Anto: si se puede encargar el catering, mejor. 19:37:10 ya, entonces la gente que no esta esponsorizada que se vaya acomer a otro sitio 19:37:43 el catering se encarga igual, en la residencia nohay cocineros, la comida la hace un catering 19:37:44 Anto: no, no... Si quieren comer ahí, lo ideal sería que sea posible. Pero no queremos tener que manejar la plata. 19:37:57 Anto: si, si. El tema es con la cantidad. 19:37:58 ya entonces como lo hacemos? 19:38:06 Anto: bueno, eso es lo que te estoy preguntando... 19:38:27 pero necesitamos previsiones, necesitamos decir al acatering, mañana necesito 200 menus 19:38:31 Anto: lo ideal sería que los que no están patrocinados, puedan comprar un ticket diario. 19:38:32 pasado mañana 220 19:38:42 si, eso seria lo ideal 19:38:43 Ok, entonces les diríamos que se anoten, con un día de anticipación? 19:39:10 ok, el dinero lo puede recoger directamnente el catering, supongo, lo preguntaré 19:39:15 marga: in fact people would prefer by meal I suspect, many may want to take lunch with us but go out in the evening 19:39:16 Ok 19:39:22 Ok. 19:39:29 dam, btw, can you please check why the cenatic logo doesnt show up?! it seems i'm too tired, i dont see it ;) :/ 19:39:38 Anto: como dice moray, mejor sería poder pagar por comida en lugar del día completo. 19:39:51 lo preguntaré 19:39:56 h01ger: I see it right under sirius 19:40:08 si atendemso a todas las peticiones no acabamos nunca 19:40:20 dam, facepalm 19:40:23 #INFO Since the caterer needs to know the numbers in advance, for non-sponsored people, we would need to make a list of people that want to eat on the next day. So that they can pay on their own, then. 19:40:43 next topic? 19:40:53 so that we maybe make it in 70min? ;) 19:40:56 #TOPIC Status: visas 19:40:58 marga: in Oslo we had that system for everyone, you booked in for meals you actually wanted 19:41:11 anything to discuss about visas? 19:41:24 Anto: hubo alguien que estaba esperando una carta y no tuvo novedades... 19:41:29 some Google Summer of Code person was trying to get a visa letter late 19:41:30 he enviado unas 30 19:41:39 si, por ejemplo uno de china 19:41:50 necesita una invitacion de debian China 19:41:52 Anto: Cristian Porras. Creo que de Colombia. 19:42:13 si, ese es otro, necesita un certificado de alojamiento y comida por parte de Debian 19:42:14 do we need to discuss the details here and now? we know about those unfullfiled requests and have 8 topics left... 19:42:32 h01ger: do we know they're unfulfilled? 19:42:37 Anto: ok, y qué vas a hacer? 19:43:13 intentare enviar un documento en nombre de debian donde recoja lo que cuesta la comida y el alojamiento 19:43:19 o alguien puede hacerlo? 19:43:28 ya le envie la carta de invitación oficial 19:43:42 Anto: ok. 19:44:03 #INFO Only a few requests pending. Anto's working on them 19:44:20 #TOPIC Status: accesibilidad 19:44:30 only two invitation letters pending 19:44:47 Anto: habías dicho que hay una habitación en MT que podría servir para Otavio, no? 19:44:49 tenemos uan habitación para personas en silla de ruedas 19:44:56 si marga 19:45:05 * h01ger will look at room #35 (the wheelchair room in mt) on wednesday 19:45:06 otavio: ping 19:45:11 and take measures 19:45:15 Ok. 19:45:16 otavio: this is the accessibility topic 19:45:31 otavio was here in the afternoon and all is fine 19:45:42 #ACTION h01ger will look at room #35 (the wheelchair room in mt) on wednesday and take measure. And talk to otavio to check if everything is fine. 19:45:53 h01ger: he was in Caceres?! ;) 19:45:54 #TOPIC Cena especial 19:46:10 otavio had some questions, he was right here before the meeting 19:46:16 anto is calling "FdS" atm to find out if FdS also has an accessable room. but it's 1-1.5km or so away... how many people in wheelchairs do we expect? 19:46:33 we can AOB otavio's questions and move on for now... 19:46:34 MrBeige: well; it is not really suggestions 19:46:45 I think we have at least 2 blind attendees, but we need people to fill the room prefs field really. 19:46:51 So we should know by next week. 19:47:10 Anto: bueno, tenemos que hacer planes para la cena especial (formal dinner). Lo ideal sería conseguir un lugar que sea suficientemente grande para alojar a unas 250/300 personas. Y además sería bueno poder tener algún acto de música en vivo o similar. 19:47:11 MrBeige: I've called Eurotaxi and asked for information about handicapped ready taxi from/to airport 19:47:21 no habitacion in Fds 19:47:25 Anto: en principio esto lo pagaría Intel. 19:47:30 MrBeige: and then've inform me that there's no ready taxi 19:47:36 en barajas hay gente que se encarga de estos asuntos 19:47:37 Noodles, "blind people are easy". 'give them a room in first/level floor, close to the entrance', basically. or? 19:47:48 MrBeige: could someone call them and clear this up? 19:47:49 Barajas= aeropuerto de madrid 19:47:49 otavio: you should ask h01ger / Anto 19:48:18 otavio, taxi en madrid? to chamartin? or in caceres? 19:48:33 h01ger: I think he wants a taxi from the airport to MT 19:48:34 h01ger: Well, hopefully, but once I know what people's needs are I'll forward them to Anto who has said he can deal with that. 19:48:37 but anyway, thats stuff for after/besides the meeting 19:48:40 moray, thats 300km 19:48:43 h01ger: yes; it looks like it is the same eurotaxi that handles both madri and carceres 19:48:45 h01ger: I know this 19:48:46 otavio: send me a email whith your travel and i ask for help in madrid 19:49:11 Anto: i'm suppose to arrive at midday of 16th 19:49:12 Yes please, Anto, otavio, and h01ger coordinate this after meeting. 19:49:19 ok 19:49:22 cena especial?! 19:49:25 h01ger: formal dinner 19:49:28 * h01ger tiene hambre :) 19:49:39 Anto: tenés ideas para la cena? 19:49:42 yes, one or two price quotes are needed 19:49:47 tengo pensado hacer una cena en el Palacio de los golfines 19:49:56 we talked about this here a few ours ago :) 19:50:06 una cena de pie, con catering especial, no sentados 19:50:10 http://www.palaciogolfines.es/ 19:50:17 flash alert ;) 19:50:20 Anto: sin sillas? 19:50:23 Anto: o sin mesas? 19:50:32 sin sillas 19:50:39 con mesas altas 19:50:40 h01ger: just for clarity -- I take it you mean what an English person would call Ground Level for the blind (1st if up the 1st flight of stairs for some people) 19:50:46 Anto: :-\ La gente eventualmente quiere poder sentarse. 19:50:49 * h01ger entiende y baile 19:51:01 moray: it is not from airport to MT (madrid -> carceres) but airport -> train station / train station MT and same back. 19:51:04 fil, yup 19:51:07 pero una cena paar 250 personas es muy dificil en caceres 19:51:18 sentadas, puede costar mucho dinero 19:51:25 unos 35-40 por persona 19:51:25 fil, "put blind people in the cellar, they cannot enjoy the view anyway" ;) 19:51:30 Anto: right, you need to find prices and then we will see 19:51:32 Anto: ok, mi punto es que haya sillas, no mesas. 19:51:44 y donde come la gente?, en el aire? 19:51:51 Anto: no entiendo. 19:51:52 h01ger: lol 19:52:03 necesitamos mesas para poner las bandejas de la comida 19:52:04 Anto: vos decís que coman parados. 19:52:25 Anto: me parece bien que coman parados, sólo digo que también tiene que haber sillas para que se sienten una vez que se cansen de estar parados. 19:52:25 si, son mesas altas, como las de los pubs 19:52:34 si, habrá sillas tb 19:52:43 Ok, eso es lo que te pregunté, y me dijiste que no. 19:52:50 ok, sorry 19:53:01 So buffet style food serving, but there is somewhere to sit? Just not table service? 19:53:10 details.. 19:53:11 if the dinner venues are too expensive I suppose you could look at a barbecue outside or something 19:53:12 Noodles: right 19:53:27 If that's affordable it sounds fine to me. 19:53:28 but we need to know real prices first anyway :) 19:53:33 * h01ger guesses there will be places to sit. noone wants to stand for hours 19:53:37 #INFO formal dinner might be at a place called "El palacio de los golfines", with a buffet service, no table service. Anto will find out prices. 19:53:38 MrBeige does. 19:53:49 #TOPIC Daytrip 19:54:01 Anto: de esto vos comentaste que tenías algo planeado. Verdad? 19:54:13 si, habia pensado en el Valle del Jerte 19:54:20 tenemos alli piscinas naturales 19:54:35 Es un destino accesible? 19:54:40 con espacio para mucha gente y accesibles para octavio por ejemplo 19:54:49 Ok. 19:54:52 unos 120 kilometros de caceres 19:54:55 Anto: tenés precios estimados? 19:55:12 necesitamso buscar un sitio fresco donde la gente pueda bañarse 19:55:21 unos 350 euros por autobus 19:55:27 Cuántas personas por bus? 19:55:54 is there something to do for people who don't want to swim? 19:56:06 55 persdonas por bus 19:56:23 estar tirado en el cesped moray 19:56:32 moray: laying on the grass... 19:56:43 podemos programar alguna visita 19:56:50 moray, enjoy the view? walk? talk? relax 19:56:50 right, 120 km seems far to go for sitting on the grass though :) 19:56:53 Anto: y con respecto a la comida? 19:57:13 el catering prepararia comida para ese dia 19:57:30 o podemos comer alli en otro sitio, pero no hay sitios para tanta gente 19:58:10 #INFO A possibility for the DayTrip is to go to "Valle del Jerte" where there are natural pools. It's 120km from Cáceres, and it's accessible. Getting there would cost about 7 EUR per person. And the catering would give us food for the day. 19:58:42 Anto: si después tenés más datos, por favor comentalos. 19:58:57 #TOPIC Presupuesto (Budget) 19:59:17 Alguna novedad por este lado? 20:00:13 comparex nos da 6000€ 20:00:29 me falta reunirme con el ayuntamiento de caceres para ver si pagan FdS 20:00:45 Anto: corregime si entendí mal: Junta pagará 30 mil euros, que serán destinados a la comida. Y de esto no tendremos que encargarnos de manejar el dinero, ellos les transferirán directamente al catering, si? 20:00:56 #INFO Comparex will give EUR 6000. 20:01:02 si, asi es marga 20:01:09 #INFO Cáceres county might sponsor FdS 20:01:31 #INFO Junta will pay 30k€, which will be used for food. This will be a direct transfer to the caterer. 20:02:00 eso es en svn in sponsortable.. which date is the deadline for sponsors on the tshirt? 20:02:16 (sponsors-table is a filename) 20:02:40 h01ger: a few days ago *was* the deadline I think :) 20:02:51 h01ger: If I am to give the back tomorrow, I'd say the deadline was today 20:02:52 I think it was today 20:03:03 dam: did you see my message about Intel? 20:03:25 Ok. 20:03:34 #TOPIC Seguros (Insurance) 20:03:35 anto suggests to make miercoles or thursday the deadline 20:03:40 marga: yes, Intel is on the site (and in the t-shirt back on my HDD) 20:03:51 dam: great, thanks! 20:03:52 there are still local sponsors coming 20:03:59 h01ger: deadline for the logos? they want to start printing them now :/ 20:04:22 moray: they can't unless the t-shirt color is selected (and it is not) 20:04:35 moray, i know 20:04:38 also, printing the back can be done after the front, giving a day or two more 20:04:55 Ok. 20:05:03 too bad Nadezhda left 20:05:45 Anto: con respecto a lo de los sponsors, hay que decirles que *ya* estamos mandando a imprimir las remeras. Si no nos dicen *ya*, no habrá modo de ponerlos en las remeras. 20:06:14 Regarding insurance, are there any questions? I think this was already budgeted. 20:06:33 ok, solo falta el logo de la junta y del ayuntamiento de caceres 20:06:55 dam: Junta is giving us 30k€, so they should be Platinum. 20:07:02 Anto: cuánto nos dá el ayundamiento de cáceres? 20:07:11 marga: they are, next to HP 20:07:18 dam: ok, great :) 20:07:19 marga: insurance was budgeted 1000€, but not planned yet (if we will, how, etc) 20:07:25 no lo se aun, es probable que paguen toda la Fds 20:07:30 unos 13000 20:07:55 marga: you are possibly foled by iniciativa joven (a junta sub-division) 20:08:20 Anto: ok, la pregunta con respecto al seguro, entonces es cómo va a ser, qué datos hay que tener, etc. Ya que hay gente que va a traer equipos de fuera, y quieren saber que van a estar asegurados. 20:08:36 seguro?, es la primera noticia 20:08:51 Anto: ouch 20:08:56 marga: can you #info the 13000 number ? 20:08:57 asegurar los equipos de la gente? 20:09:31 #INFO Ayuntamiento de Cáceres (Cáceres county) might be sponsoring FdS with aprox. 13k€ 20:09:34 #chair MrBeige 20:09:44 Anto: si. 20:09:54 Anto: imagine that some people injure themselves, for example 20:09:57 y seria un seguro privado? 20:10:11 moray: ah, that's different insurance than the one I was inquiring. 20:10:14 Anto: no sé. 20:10:26 marga: which is yours? 20:10:29 Anto: qué son los 1000 euros que vos habías pasado antes? 20:10:53 moray: equipment (as in against breakage, robbery or the like) 20:11:00 marga: yes, we need that too, I agree 20:11:13 marga: the maximum risk from that is actually lower though 20:11:24 no se lo que dices marga 20:11:27 marga: it *may* be that the venue already has some 'events' insurance, but we need to find out 20:12:08 the 1000 euro number we have now was simply a guess from previous conferences 20:12:13 Anto: ok, necesitamos saber qué clases de seguros habrá disponibles. Por un lado, necesitaríamos un seguro médico, por posibles accidentes, enfermedades, etc de los asistentes. Y por otro lado un seguro para los equipos. 20:12:14 moray if that some people injure themselves, there are hospitals 20:12:16 MrBeige: ah.... 20:12:36 Anto: los hospitales son gratis? 20:12:39 Anto: no, not for the health part, but if they make a legal action 20:12:39 si 20:12:53 moray: well.... 20:12:54 Anto: I hope Debian people wouldn't sue you, but potentially they could 20:13:13 en España la sanidad es gratuita todo el mundo tiene derecho a que le curen sus heridas 20:13:14 moray: we didn't have that kind of insurance in .ar. Only the medical / equipment kind. 20:13:20 sean las que sean y 20:13:32 #INFO Medical treatment is free in Spain. 20:13:49 marga: I think that's not quite true anyway, it depends what country you come from 20:13:50 moray: did you hire some legal insurance against suits in DC7 ? 20:14:20 marga: I don't know what we ended up with, but I know it was considered, to work out what we should get to cover ourselves enough 20:14:33 marga: it was also easier for dc7 as everything was run through the local company 20:14:44 Anto, ok, lo otro que menciona moray es un seguro legal contra posibles juicios. 20:14:46 marga: so at most they should have sued that company and destroyed it, not one of us 20:14:59 yes, we got insurance for DC7 20:15:08 fil dealt with it 20:15:31 si alguien comete un delito es su problema 20:15:36 Anto: bueno, no te quiero volver loco, pero podrás tratar de averiguar o pedirle a alguien que averigue al respecto? 20:16:05 ok, lo averiguare, estoy solo es el local team recuerdas?, jeje 20:16:15 Anto: no, lo que ellos mencionan es, por ejemplo, si alguien se accidenta dentro de MT que le haga un juicio a DebConf... No es algo muy probable que vaya a pasar, pero bueno, es una posibilidad. 20:16:35 Anto: si, si, ya lo sé. Pero tal vez puedas convencer a alguien de que te ayude con algo. 20:16:36 Bueno, sigamos. 20:17:05 ok, podemos hacer un certificado en el que cada persona se haga responsable y en caso de accidente el asuma las consecuencias , podria ser? 20:17:06 #TOPIC Gente que llega antes (early arrivals) 20:17:38 no hay problema con esto 20:17:51 Anto: I don't think that kind of signature is necessarily legal, you would need to ask a real lawyer 20:17:52 Anto: cuánta ayuda te parece que podría ser tener gente que llegue antes? 20:18:30 esta todo controlado, cuando la gente llegue estara todo listo 20:18:33 Anto: habría tareas para llevar a cabo por parte de los que lleguen antes? 20:19:08 O sea que tu respuesta sería que no? 20:19:11 no, solo de preparar las conferencias y los equipos paar el streaming y colocar alguna que otra mesa para los computers 20:19:29 exacto, no necesito que nadie venga antes 20:20:09 #INFO Help from early arrivals: prepare the equipment for streaming, set up tables and the like. It's not needed for a big group to arrive early. 20:20:16 if they do come before (on 15 July), will they have a place to stay ? 20:20:17 #TOPIC Next meeting 20:20:23 MrBeige: yes. 20:20:24 we didn't have building cover(the venue covered that) but did have public laibility, worded to explicitly include volunteers/attendees 20:20:31 MrBeige: I think i already info'ed that. 20:20:40 marga: ok, just checking... thanks 20:20:50 Just in case 20:21:01 Anto: marga: see fil above about insurance 20:21:08 #INFO People arriving one day early will be able to stay at MT free of charge. 20:21:24 also, I *don't* think from reading the web that non-EU people qualify legally for free healthcare 20:21:30 see e.g. http://www.spain.info/TourSpain/Informacion+practica/Consejos+Practicos/Salud+y+seguridad/0/Que+debe+saber+sobre+asistencia+sanitaria+si+procede+de+un+pais+no+perteneciente+a+la+UE?Language=en 20:21:39 but that's just one random page out of many that agree 20:21:40 IIRC that also included a certain amount of theft/accident cover, for the borroed equipment 20:23:01 Ok. 20:23:05 Next meeting?? 20:23:14 We are really close to the date. 20:23:33 Should we keep the 1 week local, 1 week global, schedule? 20:23:39 Are you suggesting sooner than next Monday? 20:23:46 ok, sound good for me 20:24:03 marga: global next week and local in two weeks sounds reasonable to me. Some local can happen during the global 20:24:12 ok then 20:24:15 I think once a week is working ok, there's plenty of discussion outside that which helps things move along./ 20:24:35 #AGREED Monday 22: next global team. Monday 29: next local team. 20:24:45 #TOPIC Otros temas (Any other business) 20:24:51 Algo que haya quedado pendiente? 20:25:17 no por mi parte 20:25:23 Ok. 20:25:28 I think we all butted in with stuff earlier :) 20:25:32 Yeah. 20:25:36 Ok, let's end it then 20:25:39 #endmeeting