19:00:17 #startmeeting 19:00:17 Meeting started at 19:00 UTC. The chair is MrBeige. 19:00:17 Commands Available: #TOPIC, #IDEA, #ACTION, #AGREED, #LINK 19:00:23 #chair marga h01ger 19:00:29 MrBeige, i thought i had but appearantly not. Hydroxide was going to create a wiki page with a list of needed queries 19:00:45 #meetingtopic global team meeting, agenda at http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf9/Meetings 19:00:51 * h01ger bows to MeatBot 19:01:11 hi all, welcome to the meeting... 19:01:14 #topic more penta admins ? 19:01:23 * h01ger sends some sms.. 19:01:33 so, let's see 19:01:40 * schultmc waves 19:01:46 This was ideally some non-EU timezone admins, wasn't it? 19:02:00 this topic was about getting some more people with penta (at least read) access 19:02:05 i dont think its timezone critical 19:02:28 it should be someone going to dc10 19:02:34 so that we can distribute the load of making queries like "how many corporate/professinoal attendees are there so that budget team can plan?" 19:02:50 the basic concensus was "sure, if there's a trusted person to do it" 19:02:51 Is there someone wishing to do that? 19:02:51 Umh, I am currently unfamiliar with Penta's guts, but I can take it up - And yes, in DC7 I got acquinted with it... 19:03:04 h01ger: Ganneff suggested previously that it shouldn't be one of the central DC10 people. so someone like gwolf could work 19:03:08 Who does it at present? Ganneff + sgran? 19:03:09 yeah 19:03:15 Noodles: and h01ger 19:03:18 I am not really wanting to do Pentabarf development right now, but I can do some queries and spot some bugs... 19:03:24 (hopefully) 19:03:32 gwolf: queries is good enough for us 19:03:46 gwolf: do you already have access ? 19:03:47 MrBeige: am I good enough for you? 19:03:48 gwolf: the DB layout is apparently a mess 19:04:03 gwolf, i plan to put the scripts in svn and am writing docs 19:04:08 gwolf: if you have a bit of time to poke around, then yes 19:04:09 Hydroxide: Yes, I have been told so... in an attempt to save it from becoming chaotic it became more chaotic :) 19:04:14 Great, I think we all agree then :) 19:04:16 gwolf: you are good enough for us, certainly :) we like your knowledge of mexican food^W^W^W^Wyears-long involvement :) 19:04:23 gwolf: and h01ger, etc can help 19:04:27 gwolf, so if you could be a backup-query-runner, that would be cool 19:04:31 * gwolf throws some carnitas over Hydroxide 19:04:45 #action gwolf serves as backup-query-runner 19:04:58 #info also we are putting useful queries in SVN/on the wiki so this should be less of a problem 19:05:07 would anyone else like to be a backup query runner ? 19:05:56 If we're stuck I can try. It's Postgres, right? 19:05:58 #topic budget team info 19:06:24 Noodles: not sure, but we can add you as a posibility 19:06:38 #info Noodles also offers to help run penta queries, if needed 19:06:39 yes, postgres 19:07:31 Ok, next topic? 19:07:32 #info budget summary: 60000€ minimum, 90000€ ideal needed 19:08:04 * h01ger thanks MrBeige for having taken care of budget 19:08:06 45000€ to 60000€ available currently, right? 19:08:09 #info money-out team: mails were sent to people with weird data, some corrected it, some said it was fine. No more exceptions will be made. 19:08:15 #info sponsorship summary: 45000€ recieved/promised, 10-20k€ more possible 19:08:28 #info mount-out team: the team is still in the process of being assembled. More should happen soon. 19:08:29 marga: good 19:08:40 s/mount/money/ 19:08:56 marga: want to give a summary of DC8 leftovers ? 19:09:49 so, right now it sounds like we can barely make it 19:09:50 #info Regarding DC8 left-overs: a few more thank-you bags to be sent out this week. There are a few disagreements regarding the money left over at the different points in the world. The final number is probably going to be near USD 10k. :-\ 19:10:08 * h01ger tries to query the amount @ffis but got a db error :) writing email to Joey atm :) 19:10:10 how close are we, compared to other years ? 19:10:19 10k left over to pass to DC9? 19:10:35 how soon do we usually end up on the positive side ? 19:10:44 marga, and then will we be able to get the money out directly or only via sponsoring of .ar people? 19:10:52 Noodles: yes, left over from dc8 19:10:58 MrBeige: well, it's usually very late 19:10:59 Noodles: yes, but it should have been more, some unexpected expenses turned up in the money being handled off-shore. 19:11:00 MrBeige, there is no "usually" here ;) 19:11:13 MrBeige: I mean, typically the money is only finally sorted out after DebConf 19:11:13 h01ger: oh, almost nothing is left at .ar 19:11:14 or s/no/not much/ 19:11:19 h01ger: less than 1k USD 19:11:22 marga, oh, cool :) 19:11:24 marga: It's still a reasonable %age of what we've got so far for DC9. 19:11:29 MrBeige: however, my impression is the sponsorship team has less time this year 19:11:30 * gwolf notes there are still (at least, there is one :) ) pending reimbursement for DC8... 19:11:31 #info most DC8 leftover is at SPI or dc7ltd 19:11:49 so 19:11:50 MrBeige: and we certainly can't just assume more money will appear 19:11:52 s/SPI\ or// 19:11:54 gwolf: yes, I know, I'll talk with schultmc about that as well. 19:12:04 unless my numbers are wrong 19:12:05 shall we discuss what happens if we need to cut costs ? 19:12:14 #action marga and schultmc to figure out pending reimbursements. 19:12:24 the 60000€ number only includes lodging/food/venue 19:12:26 dc7ltd only has £2.3k. Where's the rest if SPI doesn't have it? 19:12:43 anto is at a floss meeting in brussels, cek at a gala dinner in madrid... :/ 19:12:48 schultmc: I sent you an email, your numbers do not match mine. Please have a look at them. 19:12:59 marga: ok - I'll take a look 19:13:16 Noodles: accounting issues to be worked out, being sure it is in the DC8 category, etc 19:13:17 i did a dump from SPI's database - it's possible some donations were miscategorized 19:13:17 Noodles: both SPI and DC7Ltd. are reporting less money that what I have in my spreadsheet. 19:13:30 MrBeige: I think we would need anto/cek to talk about most cost reduction-related issues :-/ 19:13:38 marga: Ok. I'll let you beat them with a big stick then. 19:13:42 Noodles: :) 19:13:53 we should work out what has gone wrong if our numbers don't tally 19:13:58 * MrBeige refocuses on current budget things 19:14:01 so just so everyone knows 19:14:02 however, it's more urgent to deal with dc9 yes 19:14:10 we will likely have money for lodging/food/venue 19:14:16 I guess we still are not counting in the budget the money to be paid by corporate/professional attendees, right? 19:14:28 So we may have just enough money, but we don't have near our preferred top end? 19:14:34 #info but if we need to, things like travel sponsorship and trips can be cut 19:14:39 I'm a little worried that we're only expecting ~10-20k more money 19:14:48 I'd expect quite a bit more than that yet, personally 19:14:55 Noodles: I think the 'preferred top end' would be much higher 19:15:00 #info we will still get more income from professional/corporate, but need those numbers 19:15:11 moray: €90k was mentioned above. 19:15:13 there's at least one big sponsor we're waiting on yet 19:15:18 Sledge: who? 19:15:21 Noodles: right, I think that's with 'limited' travel sponsorship 19:15:23 marga: Nokia 19:15:30 Noodles: (e.g.) 19:15:32 Sledge: I expect 10k€ from what's in sponsors-table, and 10k€ is from DC8 leftovers 19:15:35 Ok, thought so. I'll be contacting Intel soon. 19:15:38 Sledge: should we expect more than that ? 19:15:43 MrBeige: definitely, yes 19:15:45 how much are we likely to get from registration fees? (guesstimate) 19:15:57 in the past Nokia have been very generous 19:16:01 Hydroxide: we got about 20k USD last year. 19:16:09 wow 19:16:14 unless things have changed a *lot* I'd expect a big amount again 19:16:15 #action Sledge and MrBeige adjust sponsors-summary for other sponsors we expect 19:16:21 Hydroxide: but last year was better organized. This year it's not going to be nearly that much 19:16:23 http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf9/PentaQueries - please add missing queries there 19:16:29 * MrBeige thinks this topic has almost been exhausted 19:16:37 what else is new to discuss, before we move on ? 19:16:39 marga: except that registration overall is higher this year, yes? (it's easier to travel to madrid than argentina) 19:16:49 ok, let's not take too much time ... /me drops it 19:16:57 Hydroxide: no, it's the fact that people wanting to stay at a hotel are not going to pay us. 19:16:57 marga: I got your mail - I'll check my numbers and get back to you ASAP (most likely tomorrow) 19:17:04 schultmc: ok, sure. 19:17:07 Sledge, nokia is not looking super great. i expect some money, but... we will see. 19:17:07 #topic updates from teams 19:17:15 h01ger: ah... 19:17:20 marga: ah. 19:17:34 can all teams #info there status / anything new ? 19:18:04 #info budget team: summary is above. We need more accurate numbers from localteam to make it more accurate ! 19:18:13 I did the #info on money out in the previous part. 19:18:41 was there an answer on how much we currently are supposed to be paid by attendees? 19:18:45 sponsorship team / allocation team 19:18:47 (if so I missed it) 19:18:55 moray: no, not yet... I will get it, though, and revise 19:18:57 moray: we need a penta query for that. 19:19:01 sure 19:19:06 t-shirt team? 19:19:10 video team (if anything) 19:19:12 There's no t-shirt team. 19:19:17 room allocation team ? 19:19:21 videoteam will have an meeting this week 19:19:27 Regarding t-shirts, I'd say, let's go with ts printed at .mx 19:19:32 #info videoteam will have a meeting this week 19:19:39 its hard to plan without knowing amount of rooms to stream and number of concurrent events 19:19:40 It worked well in EDI; I think it'll work well this time too. 19:19:42 #info Room allocation Nothing to report - still waiting for exact details on how many rooms we have 19:19:52 t-shirt team 19:19:54 marga: yes, if we can fool people into doing that work again :) 19:19:56 I can make that team 19:19:57 gwolf: how does that look for you? 19:19:58 great 19:20:01 (sorry, my attention was away) 19:20:06 * h01ger cheers t-shirt team 19:20:13 ...I asked Gaby to prepare a preliminary quote 19:20:19 #action cek anto get details of rooms to room allocation team (sometime) 19:20:21 #nick cek anto 19:20:35 She says she has to check with providers regarding pricing, but expects it to be quite similar to two years ago... which was... 19:20:44 US$3.80 per shirt 19:20:52 Awesome. 19:20:57 US$1140.00 for 300 shirts 19:20:59 #info gwolf will head up the t-shirt team again (likely around USD 3.80/shirt) 19:21:01 plus shipping 19:21:16 do we have to worry about import duties? 19:21:17 #info t-shirt team: < gwolf> US$1140.00 for 300 shirts < gwolf> plus shipping 19:21:18 ...Shipping, IIRC, was a sizable chunk at EDI (~30% of the price) 19:21:38 Hydroxide: For UK we didn't need to, but she is looking into it 19:21:45 anything from network infastructure teams (I'm just throwing stuff out here, not expecting much now) 19:22:02 * MrBeige asks people to stick to #info'ing information, and teams can discuss with interested people after the meeting 19:22:14 h01ger: any word from anto on visas ? 19:22:37 talk selection / talk scheduling / proceedings team ? 19:22:40 * h01ger thinks has send some letters, marga helped with translation 19:22:54 MrBeige: I translated the invitation documents to Spanish, with the Spanish institution (forgot the name, not the Junta) as the contact 19:23:00 h01ger: I translated the request, I don't know what happened after that. 19:23:12 Anto or Cek replied that in the end, the Junta confirmed it was going to do it 19:23:16 #info < gwolf> MrBeige: I translated the invitation documents to Spanish, with the Spanish institution (forgot the name, not the Junta) as the contact 19:23:16 but... I haven't heard more than that 19:23:23 #info < gwolf> Anto or Cek replied that in the end, the Junta confirmed it was going to do it 19:23:31 i'll ask anto 19:23:45 #info so visas are in-progress - yay 19:23:53 MrBeige: We surely hope so 19:24:00 #info (we hope) 19:24:03 let's move on 19:24:11 #topic localteam updates 19:24:20 does anyone have any secondhand knowledge of local-stuff ? 19:24:20 No news here. 19:24:46 #info no localteam, and no secondhand knowledge... 19:24:53 * h01ger still considers going to caceres for a few days in 2 weeks - do you agree thats useful? 19:24:59 #topic looking over the to-do list 19:25:10 h01ger: I think it would be very useful... 19:25:14 h01ger: I would welcome you to go there. Very much. 19:25:29 ok 19:25:32 http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf9/ToDo let's look at this link 19:25:48 and try to see problem areas 19:26:19 * h01ger looks and misses prios 19:26:21 accessibility ... 19:26:50 Find out if Holger will buy the nametag pouches this year again. This should be done before July 15th. <-- maybe this can be answered? :) 19:27:00 "Stuff to hand out to attendees" 19:27:03 bags and nametags 19:27:04 yah 19:27:05 * gwolf sees as a problem area having to switch venue in the middle of it all 19:27:21 Day Trip, Conference Dinner, 19:27:27 Volunteers 19:27:28 MrBeige: when possible we got maps etc. from the local tourist bureau 19:27:29 gwolf: that was mentioned during last meeting, yes 19:27:31 * h01ger thinks the venue is fine (re a13y) but its hard to plan anything atm without having a real idea how many details will work ;) 19:27:43 angasule: but it's still a problem area 19:27:45 angasule, i can get nametags again... 19:27:49 MrBeige: (they normally will send boxes of them for free) 19:27:49 * MrBeige asks people mainly focus on who does what here, not how to do it 19:28:07 ...I'll modify the wiki page - If we print the shirts and ship overseas, I'd prefer working with two more weeks time (i.e. design due for June 1) 19:28:16 so h01ger works on nametags 19:28:20 gwolf: sure, makes sense. 19:28:22 gwolf works on t-shirts 19:28:46 do we postpone daytrip and conference dinner until we have the rest worked out better ? 19:28:50 MrBeige, i wouldnt call it that :) /me goes shopping once. 19:28:53 MrBeige: I think so 19:28:57 * h01ger nods 19:29:08 h01ger: if you go there, can you find the tourist bureau and speak to them to get maps etc.? 19:29:16 #info daytrip / conference dinner planning postponed until other stuff is better in shape... 19:29:39 moray, yes, if its on some list, ie todo 19:29:43 #info see what tourist bureau has to hand out to people 19:29:57 I expect Junta to provide all that handouts... 19:30:02 * h01ger too 19:30:09 do we have someone looking over the data in Penta to see if it's sensible ? 19:30:16 nope 19:30:22 As far as I know, at least, we don't 19:30:28 MrBeige, see if what is sensible? 19:30:35 * MrBeige volunteers to look at penta data if he gets access 19:30:45 marga, i have last years script from sgran, which checks some plausibility 19:30:45 h01ger: for dc7 looking at an overview table showed lots of bad data 19:30:48 h01ger: "Check that the data entered is sensible (no important fields missing). " from the list 19:30:52 h01ger: under "Attendees" 19:31:00 h01ger: hopefully we prevent some of that better now, but probably there are still things wrong 19:31:07 http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf9/PentaQueries please 19:31:12 and certainly there will be lots of missing dates etc. still 19:31:14 h01ger: "Check that people attending DebCamp actually do have a plan. " 19:31:14 Re: Bags: We can also print them here, they are not as voluminous as the shirts... But yes, I agree wit the page, it is not as vital to get _now_ 19:31:44 so who does penta-sanity checking? me? someone else ? 19:31:49 me + someone else ? 19:31:56 MrBeige: well volunteered! 19:32:08 MrBeige: I'm afreaid you might overload, but I'm totally fine with you doing it :) 19:32:09 MrBeige: I will be able to help you with that... but cannot yet 19:32:10 someone else would be preferable as my time is getting short 19:32:16 marga: AOL 19:32:20 MrBeige: before we had a table to make it easier 19:32:32 MrBeige: I mean, the queries gave a nice UI that non-penta-hackers could look at 19:32:35 moray: there should be some queries from last year. 19:32:38 I don't know if we have that now 19:32:47 ok 19:32:50 #action MrBeige tricks someone into helping someone look at penta data to sanity-check 19:32:57 last thing before we move on: website 19:33:10 is teh website doing all right in terms of data? I haven't checked recently 19:33:17 MrBeige, someone being me & gwolf, with backup of Noodles and the usual admins 19:33:39 MrBeige: for the website I still never got to doing the planned blitz of adding stuff, I still plan to do more though 19:33:42 #action h01ger and gwolf help MrBeige look at penta data to sanity-check 19:33:48 (too busy, if you hadn't guessed) 19:33:54 #action moray does a blitz of adding data to website sometime 19:34:03 hm, I see this one: "Publicize donating and paying your stay at DebConf" 19:34:16 that could be useful this year... 19:35:15 right, probably easier to persuade people if we actually have a budget crisis 19:35:27 I mean, if *needed* I think a lot more people would pay for their lodging etc. 19:35:38 should we publisize that "donations this year" 19:36:08 I have to put my attention away to other issues (RL) 19:36:13 + will be very helpful 19:36:13 YEs 19:36:18 perhaps, any time we mention paying/donating we normally get a few people ranting though, so it's better to be careful about wording 19:36:50 The people ranting is a low numbre. 19:37:02 We should definitely publicize the click-n-pledge thingy 19:37:23 who is in charge of this ? 19:37:43 nobody 19:37:53 meaning, "who volunteers" ? 19:37:59 :) 19:38:14 preferable someone well-respected in the debconf history 19:39:02 MrBeige: I guess we should ask on list 19:39:06 (back) 19:39:07 ok 19:39:11 the "click-n-pledge thingy" needs to be updated for dc9 (assuming that hasn't already been done - I don't recall if I did that or not but I'll do so) 19:39:31 #info schultmc will make sure click&pledge is setup for dc9 attendee payments 19:39:32 #action we look at working on publisizing (ugh spelling) that donations will be helpful this year... 19:39:42 #action schultmc will make sure click&pledge is setup for dc9 attendee payments 19:39:45 schultmc: thanks! 19:40:12 moving on... 19:40:29 #topic left-over action items, any other business ? 19:41:26 MrBeige can now see queries with personalized data \o/ again if you note that we miss queries, edit that wikipage please 19:41:30 we should pay holger's travel if he can go 19:42:05 moray: good point 19:42:11 * h01ger already basically arranged with Sledge and debian money 19:42:17 (big benefit to DebConf compared to one more attendee later) 19:42:18 h01ger: good 19:42:23 *: should approve to pay h01ger (and other people) to travel ? 19:42:29 +for preparation 19:42:30 ok 19:42:32 so it's taken care of... 19:42:35 so... 19:42:36 right, if others have time to go before debconf 19:42:42 I'm sure stuff will still be useful :/ 19:43:29 #help if you'd like to go to cáceres before debconf to help out, it can possibly be paid for... 19:43:40 so 19:43:48 with this being done... 19:44:00 speak up now or we close... 19:44:18 #endmeeting