18:00:22 <h01ger> #startmeeting
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18:00:26 <h01ger> ohai
18:00:37 <h01ger> #topic please say hi and lets shape the topic
18:01:07 * petn-randall waves.
18:01:14 <h01ger> < DLange> FYI will be ~15min late for the meeting
18:01:27 <h01ger> shall we just wait/really start in 15min?
18:02:26 <h01ger> topics 2 weeks ago were "status updates / cfp / sponsors / legal entity / tshirt / next meeting / AOB"
18:02:34 <h01ger> http://meetbot.debian.net/debconf-hamburg/2019/debconf-hamburg.2019-04-10-17.00.html
18:02:42 <petn-randall> Works either way for me.
18:02:47 * h01ger is fine with either too
18:04:02 <azeem> maybe let's discuss cfp first?
18:04:28 <azeem> not sure how much time i have in general
18:05:02 <h01ger> sure
18:05:13 <h01ger> #topic cfp
18:05:28 <h01ger> meetbot also creates nice logs and there wont be that much backlog anyway
18:05:28 <MeetBot> h01ger: Error: "also" is not a valid command.
18:05:35 <h01ger> azeem: shoot
18:05:46 <azeem> AFAICT there are two submissions?
18:05:53 <azeem> I might've missed some in my spam folder
18:06:01 <azeem> it's going really slow this year :-/
18:06:40 * h01ger nods
18:06:50 <h01ger> also only 47 registrations this yet
18:06:51 <azeem> one thing I can do is trawl through the Debconf submissions and see whether somebody has also registered for the minidebconf
18:06:54 <h01ger> s#yet#year#
18:07:03 <h01ger> has there been a dedicated cfp?
18:07:09 <azeem> for debconf? yes
18:07:16 <azeem> maybe not super prominent
18:07:22 <azeem> or at least I thought?
18:07:26 <h01ger> for the minidebconf
18:07:29 <h01ger> petn-randall: ^
18:07:44 <azeem> oh, I'm not sure I assumed it was part of the initial announcement?
18:08:10 * h01ger pondered to send a general "registration still open, beds on-site still available" to d-d-a and planet. can also include a blurb about cfp
18:08:37 <h01ger> azeem: it was (i just checked)
18:08:41 <azeem> right, me too
18:08:49 <azeem> but maybe we could swap it this time?
18:09:00 <azeem> like "cfp still open, and oh btw registration as wlel?
18:09:12 <azeem> 20:06 < azeem> one thing I can do is trawl through the Debconf submissions and see whether somebody has also registered for the minidebconf
18:09:19 <azeem> does anybody see an ethical problem with that?
18:09:20 <azeem> DLange: ^^
18:09:54 <h01ger> azeem: yup. (swapping emphasize)
18:09:56 <azeem> obviously only asking if they would consider also submitting to the minidebconf
18:10:25 * h01ger nods
18:10:30 <azeem> I don't have a lot of other ideas right now, I can ask marga again (but it might be too late again to get internal approval for her)
18:10:33 <petn-randall> Yeah, I think we should send a new CFP (and add "also register" at the end), I'm willing to write it up.
18:10:42 <h01ger> azeem: petn-randall: who of you two can send that mail?
18:10:44 <h01ger> ah
18:10:59 <azeem> and I thought about asking tbm, even now that he didn't become DPL, he had a couple of ideas he might want to make more explicit, what do you think?
18:11:05 <petn-randall> Though IIRC I couldn't send to the relevant lists last year, I think because I'm not DD.
18:11:06 <h01ger> sure
18:11:23 <h01ger> (though i very much dislike his paying developers idea, i think its good to discuss ideas)
18:11:45 <h01ger> petn-randall: gosh. when will you fix that bug finally? (happy to send for you)
18:11:52 <azeem> ok; I hope I will have more time in a week or so
18:12:20 <h01ger> petn-randall: so you will write the mail and then either me or azeem will send it
18:12:22 <azeem> I can send off the CfP if petn-randall can't
18:12:28 <h01ger> anything else cfp?
18:12:34 * DLange has read backlog. 1) no issues with asking people to submit the same / a related talk to MiniDebConf if they have one queued for DC19 in Curitiba
18:12:37 <petn-randall> Fine by me.
18:12:42 <azeem> (though I also have trouble sending mail as @debian.org right now, my ISP blocks it)
18:12:45 <h01ger> hi DLange
18:12:59 <petn-randall> azeem: Are you sending via 25/tcp?
18:13:05 <h01ger> #topic general status updates
18:13:09 <DLange> 2) may be invite a speaker or two (as in "keynotes")?
18:13:18 <h01ger> #topic cfp
18:13:25 <azeem> petn-randall: no, but they (GMX) started to block different From: to envelope-from
18:13:28 <azeem> anyway
18:13:44 * h01ger went back to this topic to discuss inviting speaker for keynotes
18:13:51 <azeem> DLange: well, that also depends on the budget
18:13:58 <h01ger> i'm totally for it if it doesnt imply covering their costs
18:14:07 <azeem> in general I think it'd be good and I liked the keynote-y like talk last year
18:14:10 <h01ger> inviting as in "hey, you should come and talk" is great
18:14:10 <DLange> ack and ack and Debian has funds
18:14:15 <azeem> something not from the middle of Debian
18:14:44 <DLange> yep. May be tbm for "commercial reality" vs. $somebody from the "free as a dream" team?
18:14:48 <h01ger> DLange: i dislike debian events with invited keynote speakers (as in "please come, we will cover your costs")
18:14:53 <DLange> and then some moderated discussion afterwards?
18:15:13 <h01ger> inviting as in "hey, you should come and talk" is great
18:15:22 <azeem> could be somebody from the Hamburg area e.g.
18:15:27 <DLange> just a suggestion, h01ger. Do as you please. I'm not even on the content team.
18:15:33 <azeem> certainly we shouldn't pay transatlantic flights IMO
18:15:42 <azeem> but a train ticket from Berlin would be fine IMO
18:15:54 <h01ger> we/debian can probably also cover attendee costs (for travel, or accom)
18:16:27 <h01ger> azeem: yeah. agreed. also probably from elsewhere/100e max
18:16:27 <azeem> didn't we have some ideas last year?
18:16:34 <azeem> Jan Albrecht?
18:16:35 <DLange> it is much harder to find a good speaker and convince them to come than find funds
18:16:48 <h01ger> yes
18:17:27 <DLange> most good speakers work for companies anyways which (often) like more exposure, so... don't overdiscuss money before you have people worth their funding requests
18:18:08 <azeem> (my high-speed data just expired, so I'm laggy from now on)
18:18:25 <azeem> ok, how about we keep it in mind and collect ideas until next meeting
18:18:43 <azeem> but I think getting *some* speakers at all should be the first objective
18:19:02 <h01ger> hacking wise, this is a bsp (so 100e travel support from debian applies) and this is also a ccc event (if we want it to be one), in which case https://bahn.events.ccc.de/ could be used to buy a two-way ticket for 100e
18:19:31 <h01ger> azeem: i use https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEvents/de/2019/MiniDebConfHamburg/#Open_tasks
18:20:55 <azeem> next topic?
18:20:58 <h01ger> sure
18:21:04 <h01ger> #topic general updates
18:21:15 <h01ger> #info 47 registrations so far
18:21:31 <h01ger> #info 14 out 34 beds on-site reserved
18:22:14 <h01ger> plus i have two possible locations for dinner on sunday evening, which i'll scout the next days. one is in 300m walking distance and thus my favorite. the other is 1000m away
18:22:50 <h01ger> </updates from me>
18:22:51 <DLange> take the one with nicer food and better seats
18:23:16 <azeem> that's an informal dinner for the folks still around, right?
18:24:14 <h01ger> azeem: yes
18:24:29 <h01ger> cantina has a long planned private event that evening
18:24:40 <azeem> ah ok
18:25:31 <h01ger> oh, and this saturday there is a party for the opening of the new location in the fux-cellar, which we will use as hacklab too, so i will go to this party to see how the new rooms are
18:26:26 <h01ger> ccchh will also have new renovated rooms which are to be re-opened in 1-2 weeks hopefully
18:26:33 <petn-randall> nice
18:26:51 <petn-randall> Any new sponsors?
18:26:58 <h01ger> #topic sponsors
18:27:04 <h01ger> any new ones?
18:27:29 * h01ger only has informally asked for one, reply pending
18:27:44 * azeem hasn't
18:27:49 <h01ger> we need to intensify this a bit :)
18:27:58 <azeem> I'll try to pick it up once I have more bandwidth next week
18:28:01 * h01ger shuffles his prios (and sorts this up)
18:28:01 <azeem> did you ask DG-i?
18:28:06 <h01ger> azeem: no
18:28:07 <azeem> sipgate
18:28:09 <petn-randall> indeed, I'll ask one company.
18:28:12 <DLange> Google?
18:28:13 <h01ger> azeem: no
18:28:18 <h01ger> DLange: on my list
18:28:28 <DLange> any other big IT companies in HH?
18:28:37 <azeem> I think those three (incl. Google, but maybe they're too big to act in time) are the once we should target first IMO
18:28:46 <azeem> maybe Univention from Bremen (and ask them about a talk)
18:28:58 <petn-randall> So, I've got potentially one company which I haven't talked to in a few years. Do you just ping them via mail? Phone?
18:29:11 <azeem> petn-randall: I only ever did email
18:29:12 * petn-randall has never been in the position to ask for sponsoring money.
18:29:26 <h01ger> azeem: if you can ask dgi, sipgate & univention, that would be great
18:29:40 <h01ger> petn-randall: use mail.
18:29:41 <petn-randall> azeem: Can you send me a copy of the mails you sent so far?
18:29:47 <azeem> h01ger: I can, but likely only after may 1st
18:29:50 <azeem> maybe tomorrow
18:30:03 <azeem> petn-randall: I can bounce you one from last year now, hangon
18:30:22 <petn-randall> thanks, just so I know what to work off of.
18:30:42 <DLange> B1 is also worth a try
18:30:43 <h01ger> azeem: great
18:30:55 <h01ger> DLange: can you ask b1?
18:30:56 <DLange> they sponsor a lot of FLOSS community events
18:31:19 <DLange> I can, but somebody with personal contacts would be better
18:31:45 <DLange> https://www.b1-systems.de/wir/sponsoring/
18:31:52 <DLange> Nagios Workshop Hamburg
18:32:00 <DLange> know anybody from that?
18:32:02 <h01ger> DLange: i dont think there is anyone
18:32:13 * h01ger had contact with b1 like 10y ago
18:32:45 <azeem> petn-randall: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/a7288453/
18:32:48 <azeem> easier that way
18:32:58 <h01ger> http://www.nagios-wiki.de/workshop/2013/start is great (linked from that b1 url)
18:32:59 <petn-randall> azeem: cheers
18:33:15 <DLange> h01ger: smirk
18:34:03 <h01ger> DLange: so can you ask b1?
18:34:22 <petn-randall> azeem: FYI, the links in the footer need updating, [3] is already fixed.
18:34:31 <DLange> h01ger: yes, will do
18:35:04 <azeem> petn-randall: yeah
18:35:10 <h01ger> cool cool
18:35:15 <h01ger> next topic then?:
18:35:22 <azeem> petn-randall: maybe also the levels, I've not looked at it at all for this year yet :-/
18:35:43 <petn-randall> not yet
18:35:59 <petn-randall> are the levels still the same as last year? I don't recall us coming to a conclusion on that.
18:36:12 <DLange> yes, h01ger wanted to keep them
18:36:15 <azeem> we should go with what is in Holger's announce mail
18:36:22 <azeem> I think those are the same
18:36:34 <h01ger> the levels are documented on the wiki page
18:36:37 <petn-randall> Ah, I'll go with the levels from the announcement mail then.
18:36:40 <azeem> anyway, we're having dinner now, I'll have to bow out, will try to check scrollback
18:36:40 <petn-randall> Yeah
18:36:43 <h01ger> we concluded that
18:36:48 <h01ger> azeem: enjoy
18:36:54 <petn-randall> Ok, then I remembered it wrong, sorry about that.
18:36:59 <petn-randall> azeem: bon appetite!
18:37:00 <h01ger> #topic legal entity
18:37:12 * h01ger has to formally contact debian.fr
18:37:16 <h01ger> next? ;)
18:37:25 * petn-randall coughs.
18:37:28 <petn-randall> fine by me
18:37:58 <h01ger> #topic thirts
18:38:10 <h01ger> [ ] print shirts by may 1st or may 10th
18:38:13 <h01ger> says our todo
18:38:27 <h01ger> i'd say by may 10th as we still need to work on sponsors
18:38:36 <h01ger> and next topic i'd also say
18:39:08 <DLange> ack. Or consider non-sponsored attendee-buy-one shirts if we don't have enough sponsors.
18:39:59 <h01ger> we need to do shirts for the sponsors, else they/some will not sponsor
18:40:11 <h01ger> shirts are not optional
18:40:14 <petn-randall> ack, let's work on finding more sponsors then.
18:40:29 <petn-randall> only two weeks to go, though.
18:40:30 <h01ger> OTOH with 47 registrants so far, shirts are cheaper
18:40:55 <h01ger> #topic next meeting
18:41:14 <DLange> May 9th?
18:41:27 <DLange> if the 10th is our next deadline, kinda makes sense?
18:41:41 <h01ger> may 9th seems good, but then we need to work on the sponsors without being reminded by a meeting
18:42:06 <h01ger> may 9th, 20 CEST / 18 UTC again?
18:42:23 <petn-randall> yes
18:42:28 <DLange> fine for me
18:42:40 <h01ger> #agreed next meeting may 9th, 20 CEST / 18 UTC
18:42:56 <h01ger> azeem: ^ please shout if that is unpossible for you
18:43:03 <h01ger> #topic AOB
18:44:05 <h01ger> (any other business)
18:45:02 <petn-randall> h01ger, you mentioned I could take away some of the small work. Not sure if we want to discuss this in the meeting on in private.
18:45:15 <petn-randall> s/on/or/
18:45:27 * DLange has some time next week, too
18:47:00 <h01ger> petn-randall: here after the meeting?
18:47:02 <petn-randall> sure
18:47:18 <h01ger> mailing debian.fr could be one small thing. (which could become bigger if you want)
18:47:31 * h01ger concludes we dont have much other business
18:47:40 * h01ger thanks everyone for attending
18:47:47 <petn-randall> +1
18:47:49 <petn-randall> thanks!
18:48:04 <h01ger> #endmeeting